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Just noticed: HIDE stopped minimizing a window face some time after 
1.2.5.3.1, eg:
	view lay: layout [button [hide lay]]
Is that a bug, or intended? (I'll check this out more later.)

playing again the history of one to two weeks

 means I process all messages of that period in the same order and 
 send them to a dummy receiver.

Of course, there is some non reproducibility regarding the time axis, 
as this takes around three to four hours compared with two weeks 
in reality and more processes running at the same time on the production 
server.

On the production server the crash happened in reality with less 
messages two times during a period of  around two hours.


The crash happens not always at the same message. This can depend 
of the time behaviour or that the data, that are retrieved from the 
ODBC source is from a live DB, with many inserts, updates and deletes.

Without ODBC the crash did not happen.

^M and ^J are newline characters. The syntax of REBOL doesn't allow 
direct newline characters in strings surrounded by " characters. 
In the example you use, the string is read twice - first in the console, 
and then next in the load. Each time the string is read it is unescaped 
(the effects of the ^ char is applied). Since you are unescaping 
twice, you need two ^ characters, the first to escape the second.

rebview1210242 does not kill child processes when executed like 
$ ./rebview1210242  &
[1] 9203
$ 
[1]+  Stopped                 ./rebview1210242

$ ps a
  PID TTY      STAT   TIME COMMAND

 9203 pts/2    T      0:00 ./rebview1210242
 9204 pts/2    T      0:00 ./rebview1210242
 9205 pts/2    T      0:00 ./rebview1210242

$ kill -9 9203 9204 9205

what's this about:

>> to-time 721
== 0:12:01
>> to-time 721.4
== 0:12:01.399999999
>> to-time 721.2
== 0:12:01.2
>> to-time 721.3
== 0:12:01.299999999
>> to-time 721.4
== 0:12:01.399999999
>> to-time 721.5
== 0:12:01.5

special category of time (only one known value): negative negative 
time
>> time: to-time 2 ** 31
== --596523:-14:-08
>> time = - time
== true
>> time + 1
== -596523:14:07
>> time - 1
== 596523:14:07

It's 100% reproducable, but with precise conditions. It's called 
by a timer (manually, I haven't get any error).

With a timer of 2 mins, it happens the second time. With different 
time it does not happen, or I haven't wait enough (but did not make 
to much test on that)..

note that if you set esmtp-user to the word 'ask, it will ask you 
user name and password (on the console) the first time you send an 
email.

I'm not sure it's a good idea to not allow 0-sized faces. Is it a 
speed improvement that makes things so much faster ? The user code 
must HIDE the face instead of sizing it to zero, but HIDE may have 
other unintended side effects that are hard to workaround. eg. time 
events are stopped by HIDE:

view layout [btn "hide" [hide f] btn "show" [show f] f: box red 0:0:1 
feel [engage: func [face action event][if action = 'time [print now/time]]]]

thanks for the draw command list - (time to experiment and crash-test 
draw/agg :-)

We have been playing with changing the length of the string, the 
characters in the string, etc and haven't really been able to find 
any reason to this rhyme, perhaps some of you bug hunters could help 
us track down the actual cause of the lock up?  In the mean time, 
we'll keep playing with it as our schedules permit...

Install but do not select .r association option, then uninstall - 
problems.

To fix this situation, rename currentuser/software/rebol/view key 
to viewold - this allows reinstall which you should do this time 
with .r association then uninstal works ok.

RAMBO code is not public at this time.

yarg... 'try was changed.. I just spent a half hour trying to figure 
out why a -short- peice of code would work!

>> try [to-time {Hi}]
== none
>> ? try
USAGE:
    TRY block

DESCRIPTION:

     Tries to DO a block and returns its value or an error. ;What happend 
     to the error?
     TRY is a native value.

to-time {hi} is returning none. so therefore there is no error for 
TRY to trap

to-time {hi} has returned 'none at least as far back as 1.2.1.
Maybe that is a bug :-)

TO-TIME with rubbish input, already reported, see -> http://www.rebol.net/cgi-bin/rambo.r?id=3643&

Yeah, thanks... I was confused because I was certain I had gotten 
if error? try [to-time Whatever][..] to work before

I was using kde at the time...

At the accusation of reinventing the wheel, I always reply that we 
found that in the time we personally spent fixing Linux installations, 
we might as well produce an operating system for everyone

Syllable requires a processor that supports i586 (Pentium) instructions, 
this is a leftover from AtheOS; Kurt wrote some lines of i586 instructions 
in assembler. An installation uses up several hundred megabytes of 
hard disc. About 20 to 24mb of ram is needed to boot. So, a Pentium 
60 with 24mb of ram and a small hard disc should be the minimum currently 
able to 'run' Syllable. A Pentium 166MMX with 64mb of ram and a 1gb 
hard drive can run Syllable quite comfortably. PPP is not supported 
yet, so you can only connect to the internet via a local network 
at the present time.

I've got this odd problem.  I am running fedora core 6 as a vmware 
image.  the time keeps dropping back 12 hours.  I have the right 
time zone, and ntpd is running, and I'm pointing to a local time 
server.

Other images keep the correct time?  I had to add --directisa  to 
get the system time to hardware in the hwclock executed at shutdown. 
 That was just to get the PC to hold UTC.

How does one set the time from bash ?

I used tzselect to reset the timezone, but the time is still wrong.

hwclock --hctosys is not setting the time correctly now

I used date to set the time correctly .. now going to wait 20 mins 
and see what happens

A google of   fedora time drift vmware  shows a lot of info

all this just to set my time right!

This is getting silly.  I have to run a daytime server on windows 
2003 server so that my cron job on the fedora side can read the time 
and then set the time.

forever [
	if error? set/any 'err try [
		d: read daytime://192.168.220.2
		d: load d

  call rejoin [ "date -s " {"} d/month "/" d/day "/" d/year " " d/time 
  {"} ]
	][ print mold disarm err ]
	wait 0:02:00
] 

]

The insiders are pre-planning Debian etch release parties...woohoo! 
 Debian GNU/Linux 4.0

If you haven't, you gotta.  The only cost is time.

with linux instead, then we might have a better platform, since having 
64 mb palms is pretty much the minimum for a long time.  and if linux 
can be smart and allow us to use the SD cards as ram... well then 
there is no more problems.

but an mit/bsd license derived product can *become* close source 
in time... whereas a GPL-derived product cannot... but there is nothing 
stopping the "original" copyright holder to release further versions 
closed source.

my take:   GPL protects against the big guys, BSD allows easy industry 
adoption.  What I realise with time is that original copyright owners 
usually get the credit (and the consultation) and forks rarely really 
live on, unless the original is not supported directly.

Hey, my address is  btiffin from canada.com.  How can you beat that, 
being thee canadian btiffin.  :)  At the time, I actually could have 
been the canadian brian, but that's boring and a little snooty.  
:)

Looks like my system clock was slightly fast by a few seconds.  When 
I reset the time using my script with nist.gov clock, the imap server 
saw that that the time went back by 10 seconds, and so decided to 
shut it self down to avoid causing problems!

How is Syllable going, by the way ? It must be nearly time for my 
yearly attempt to install Syllable. (I have a new machine to install 
it on.)

Shameless plug;  Debian GNU/Linux 4.0
The Debian model is the way to go with Open Source.
Don't release software before it's time.

Regardless of the "It's late! It's late!" yelling and gnashing of 
teeth.
When it comes out, it's ready to come out.


Plus (the shameless part), the more rebols that code on a Debian 
base, the happier I'll be, with scripts that work out of the box. 
 :)

So it looks like you get good ease of use, but there is some restriction 
when it comes to trying out heaps of software. It could save me time 
when making machines for other people.

I looked into CentOS, but I already downloaded Ubuntu server to give 
it a try. This time I will install including X-Windows, and also 
run webmin. My initial idea was to have a small distro, which could 
be recovered very quickly, but I think that I am fine with one day 
off ....

{ ; echo -ne "\n$?" >&2}  works better...when you test with commands 
that don't fail or fail without stderr  :)  gotta love being not-quite-right 
all the time.

I'm of a different opinion.  GNU/Linux will make it to the desktop. 
 It IS my desktop.  Vista is buried under the GRUB and that's were 
it stays.  Buried.  Many many people are working on the Desktop issues 
right now....like right now...3:15pm eastern standard time.  Con's 
experience may just be a matter of bad-timing.  The first brave front 
runners get cut down, then the masses have a way of getting to the 
goal.  His efforts will not go unnoticed, but he may feel nothing 
but pain and misery for it.  Human nature.

Use Debian  :)  My Dev system has been auto-updating since Potato 
(2.2), I rarely use Unstable packages, but Dev lives in Testing and 
I've not had any problems.  Spike and Chester stay with Stable sources.list 
and I trust the Debian development model (not released on any time 
schedules, but only releasesd when the DD's have finished bashing 
each other around).  I hope they fight the urge to go with release 
dates, even Ian Murdoch is pushing for release shedules :(  but he's 
at Sun now, so I hope that pressure subsides.


To be more to the point.  I keep all my work (and user accounts) 
rsynced on three different machines, backed up to CD and USB memory 
stick on a semi-irregular basis.  I plan for system restore from 
the boot disks, the list from apt-show-versions and a documented 
list of manual steps for things like the Linksys, /etc/hosts, /etc/ssh/sshd_config 
et al and Cheyenne config if anything does eventually go sideways. 
 It might be a (much) longer restore cycle, but I trust that more 
than backup/restore mirroring.  I've avoided the VM model, but that 
seems to be getting some good press now-a-days.

I think there was a time, long ago, that I tended to think in terms 
of bing bang releases, but that time is forever gone

Sounds like you've got things well in hand.  One of the things that 
Debian and Ubuntu, at some 18,000 plus packages may have a tougher 
time with.  I prefer the Debian wait, over the 6 month deadline of 
Unbuntu still.

it was promised for a long long time, then Carl said something like 
it was not feasible

I remember that some time ago, if I would double click on the icon 
I would get a prompt wih the following options: "Run in Terminal", 
"Display", "Run". that's  what I'd like to see again

it's time to try it again

I have a problem that my httpd (an old Apache installation) goes 
into DE-FUNCT state from time to time. But I don't have any clue 
why. And, it never happend before. The last thing I did, was to disable 
SSL mode and I now have a SSH server running in port 443.

In reference to my "comment" on sunday, it's the second time that 
something that wasn't intended for AltMe got into a group here - 
I was searching for "dlna" on Google. Funny thing is that I don't 
recall AltMe getting focus at the time.

Carl knows about the call linux bug since quite some time... and 
I have provided him with what I think could fix it (but I have no 
way to test the fix). Qtask needs this bug fixed too, so one can 
say it's reasonably high priority. :)

imho;  Ubuntu is the current up and comer.  Ubuntu ships with a defaut 
set of packages more tuned for running Gnome as the desktop.  Kubuntu 
ships with a default KDE setup.  The Ubuntu family is spin off of 
Debian ... Debian is my personal favourite.  The RHEL branches don't 
seem to do it for me quite as much.  Ubuntu is well supported with 
a growing community and a fairly well off benefactor.   Canonical 
is funded.  I'm pretty sure they still support the WeShipIt program 
where you can order CD's for free - shipping paid by Canonical.  
Pretty sweet.  But imho Debian is a little more solid; years between 
releases.  Canonical likes to stick to a 6 month updgrade schedule. 
 So you get new shiny every 6 months, but ... running a business 
on it, I prefer the soak time Debian affords.


GNU/Linux commands are fairly standard across the board.  It's the 
config, and helper apps that diverge the most.  (That alone causes 
a mess in GNU/Linux land but POSIX is POSIX).  Things don't really 
diverge low-level till you enter the other free unix clones like 
FreeBSD.  One thing to watch on the horizon is OpenSolaris.  If it 
rolls out as it should, it could well be the player to take in Linus. 
 And Ian Murdoch (the man beside Debra in Debian) works at Sun now, 
so ...


In short, Ubuntu good.   :)   But, I prefer it's parent, Debian. 
 If you check the IRC channels on Freenode, #debian is ruthless, 
brooks no guff, with awesome technical support.  #ubuntu seems a 
little more people friendly and perhaps more likely to effectively 
help new users.  Umm, don't go asking Ubuntu questions on #debian. 
 They seem to have a little bit of jealousy toward the younger upstart 
with all the flash cash.  :)


distrowatch.com will tell you pretty much anything you want to know.

I may have found another solution.  I changed my column from decimal 
to float, and now it appears to be preserving the power.  Whereas 
with decimal it was changing the power to 0 each time.

yeah; one of the last frontiers; ease of use.  But it is progressing. 
 It's a little bit too sad that the y2k thing gutted IT money (not 
that the whole .com thing didn't need a good slap to the face) but 
there were some corporate players taking all their funny money and 
setting up OSS departments.  That died an untimely death imho, while 
corporate got mad about spending billions to protect against fudiciary 
responsibility around legacy code and then got nothing in return. 
 No more funny money for the IT department ... since?  So now we 
rely on one of "us" to get the itch and dig in.   Some do.  But it 
is time consuming and somewhat boring clicking through the same installer 
screen 1000 times to cover (some fraction of) all  the bases.  :)

I want to create a backup script that calls a backup utility, but 
I want to create the target file with today's date and time.

sorry, I wasn't clear .. I want to name the file with today's date 
and time.

The setup works but from time to time the port forwarding is stalling. 
The forwarded connection is initiated (I can't check if it's made 
successfully ) but that's it. It hangs. Than after some time (a couple 
of days) it's working without any problems.

yes... I call stats quite often.. it's part of my test function which 
also counts time required to eval the script I test. If there is 
momory is expanding, I know, that something is wrong in the script 
quite soon. (but I code almost in core, in view it can be more difficult)

Does mounting a filesystem change anything on the filesystem ?

I'm on Kubuntu and I've taken a new laptop's 80GB internal disk into 
an external drive enclosure and connected it via USB to my computer.
Kubuntu detected it and automounted the filesystem.

My task was to duplicate the disk, in the pursuit of which I've used 
various combinations of dd and gzip.

However, I can't get a straight 80GB image to compare equally (using 
cmp or diff) with a compressed image.

(I decompress the compressed image on the fly and pipe it into cmp.)

After many hours, it occurs to me that having the filesystem mounted 
might be changing it slightly over time... which would make my images 
different. (This would make my mission a failure, as I wanted a pristine 
image.)
So can anyone answer the above question ?

For backup purposes, be aware that dd-ing a partition mounted read-write 
is likely to result in a more or less inconsisten state of the backup, 
as data is changed on the partition at the same time, and dd has 
no knowledge of the file structure

I have sshd running on my Kubuntu, and when I fish: across to it 
from another kubuntu box on the local network, it takes a long time 
to connect. Today I counted 45 seconds before authentication dialog 
popped up. I think I remember reading something about a delay for 
encryption etc. but I'm wondering if that's a "normal" length of 
time to wait.

That news has been hanging over ReiserFS for a long time now.  At 
least people know now.   Ext3 has always treated me ok.  My guess 
is, ReiserFS will lose to Ext3.   OR ... get a name change, quick 
fix to the politics.

that would be so nice. I was working on a VID based bugtracker once, 
but it was poorly done and caused more trouble than good. I'll be 
sure to test this when I get more time as I really need a bugtracker 
for my projects.

Doc give me a bit more time and I will have that.  It isn't ACID 
compliant yet so wouldn't recommend in its current state except in 
very controlled situations.

I'm not familiar with RSP, but it seems it's loaded one time then 
run with the webserver (not like cgi that are loaded on each call).

So maybe it just need to be restart to handle already corrected code 
!?

Outside of work time, of course. (Hi Reichart!)

An official public release with docs and install script is planned, 
but I honestly don't know when I'll have time to work on it, I have 
a lot more tasks with much higher priorities to complete during the 
next weeks...so maybe by the end of february.

Later today I may get the time to go through the old bugs and see 
which are WINE-specific.

The web has changed since then (though CureCode would have fit in 
just fine with the web of that time).

I am using Chrome. I login then click on the ticket link. That's 
it. It even works when I set the project in the project dropdown 
before I click the link. If I don't log in and go directly to View 
Tickets, clicking on the link takes me to ticket.rsp page with the 
same redirect loop. When the bug happens, it happens every time.

1) No, I don't set system restore points, I've had to spend way too 
much time fixing people's systems from the damage done by system 
restore. Using system restore causes more damage than most viruses.

2) Chromium doesn't upgrade, nor does it make system changes outside 
of its own directory. Chrome upgrades, but still sticks to its own 
directory, not even the registry. To "upgrade" Chromium you delete 
the old application files and rerun the installer.

I thought about doing that for the last release, but didn't had the 
time. I should be able to work a little on that next weekend. IIRC 
Gabriele wrote a small popup notifier app in View (was it for incoming 
emails?) with a nice slide in effect.

does anyone think it would be even remotely possible to write a one-time 
exporter from bugzilla to curecode?

I could refresh the list below when you jump in Detail mode (and 
clear it when jumping in Search mode), but that means doing a quite 
big SQL query on all the tickets each time you switch from one mode 
to another...I tried to avoid that in exchange to a little less intuivite 
UI. Maybe there's some better solution.

I've noticed the redirection issue with Chrome too, I'll see if I 
can improve that, but last time I've checked, it looked very expensive 
to fix i(but would make CureCode cleaner).

time to reboot to see if it works

My request for whom ever hosts the page is that they "think" they 
can keep the page in place for a long time in the future.  My hope 
is to eventually get all these devcon pages over to one place for 
historical reasons.

Amacleod, as it stands, I've taken the screen grab app out of the 
presentation setup.  It was a Windows only solution that seemed to 
add potential complexity.  It appears that the best solution is to 
prepare screen shots beforehand, and upload the images to the file 
area.  Of course, screen shots could also be uploaded to that same 
area in real time...   If any presenter needs help with that part 
of the presentation, or if that solution will not work for anyone, 
please let me know.   I also have a whiteboard app installed at  
http://rockfactory.us/rooms/other/livepresenter/LivePresenter-admin.htm
  http://rockfactory.us/rooms/other/livepresenter/LivePresenter-viewer.htm
 .  I haven't used that application much more than just to try that 
it's installed properly, but I'm happy to add it to the setup if 
anyone wants to use it for the presentation.

I am at my parent's (or stated different: travelling back from my 
parents') on dec 27th because they are taking all their grandchildren 
 to a play. So I might be there only partiall, or not at all. I will 
do my best to make it though. Maybe I can lure the wife in picking 
up the kids but she is in all kinds of end-of-years trading markets 
selling this time of year.

Now is the time for presenters to please let me know of plans to 
present.  I'm reserving a special amount of bandwidth for the event, 
so want to get as close an estimate as possible.  Even a few hours 
of constantly streaming video, to many viewers, ends up being hundreds 
of gigs, so I'm hoping to estimate the presentation times as closely 
as possible.  Thanks!

... with an option for anyone to suggest another date.  I didn't, 
and things just started falling into place.  There will always be 
someone who isn't going to like the date and will have to miss.  
The only reason I bring it up now is that it's pretty obvious that 
this is not an IDEAL time for a larger number than any non-holiday 
weekend.

I'm completely open to whatever the community decides to do :)   
It's probably not such a bad thing to keep this first presentation 
smallish, and to consider it a learning experience.   One thing that's 
clear so far is that it'd be good to decide on one or several people 
to manage operations officially, and to create a web site to organize 
future events.  For the time being, this event does appear to be 
shaping up well, for the short matter of days we've spent contemplating 
it :)  There are 19 live attendees signed up at http://rockfactory.us/events/devcon.html
.  We appear to have a viable way to make the presentation, and I'm 
looking forward to seeing anyone who has the time and motivation 
to speak about REBOL related topics :)

Agreed...


I'm open to.  My goal is to get some of the Qtask team to be present 
for a simple and real time Question and Answer session.

As you saw from the number Sunanda's source code counter showed, 
Qtask is a GIANT REBOL program.  


It may not be the best or the smartest code in the world, but we 
have learned a lot, and would like to share some of it.

Sunanda, this is still a web-public group. Every time you post a 
username and password here it may need to be changed.

Thanks Sunanda, looks good and functional.  I would be very interested 
in attending the devcon as a viewer, at what time will this be going 
on? I looked at past chat but didn't notice it.

I do need a final list, by Wednesday, of all presenters, along with 
an estimate of  the amount of time required for each presentation. 
 If any presenter has a particular requirement for when in the order 
their presentation needs to take place, please let me know.  This 
must to be finalized now so that I can reserve necessary bandwitdh 
for the event.  Thanks!

We've got 23 signed up right now.  I'm more concerned about the length 
of time at this point.  I'm going to reserve many potential connections...

The broadcast room is currently available for any presenter to prepare 
and become familiar with the interface.  If anyone would like would 
like to practice, or if anyone needs help preparing, I have free 
time available throughout the week.  You're welcome to freely enter 
and use the broadcast room - please just close the broadcast page 
completely when you're done practicing.

@NickA  - thanks for ading me to the list, I already reserver time 
on 27. :)

Can somebody post here before the conf. starts because I am not 100% 
sure I got the EST time conversion to my timezone right. To my understanding 
it will start 10:30 hours from now.

Start time is  20:00 UTC.

I don't think that I will have time to add all those features, so 
it's left as an exercice for the community ;-).

no, I stopped spending time on it almost immediately after learning 
of this problem.

I found a justification routine (doing also alignement). I need to 
study it to see if it fit my needs : align and line-wrap at the same 
time.

I'm about to release a new version of the printer lib with multiplatform 
support, so if anyone noticed something to fix or improve that I'm 
not aware of, that's the right time to report ;-).

I hoped to have time Doc, but I don't have a need, and I seem to 
have *no* spare time for playing right now. :-(

I have multipage preview working ... some time ... I have a block 
of draw blocks and I am supposed to switch between them to page thru 
the different pages.

When printing, the user can often choose to have extra info printed 
with: who ordered the print, date and time, etc. What's the english 
name for this part of the print? The danish word for it translate 
to "receipt", but I feel, there's another english word.