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hum, I am calling  wait  0.01  pretty often within the script to 
allow the asynchronous rebol core some breathing time which REALLY 
rocks btw... scanning multiple dirs, while letting the UI and mySql 
to work at the same time , I'd not be able to get it running so easily 
in any other language.... :-)

my current app is so threaded because of the async core that its 
impressed everyone at the office... I can be scrolling a list view, 
reading files doing sql queries and reading directory lists which 
buildup view menus in real time... everything is fluding and strangely, 
having sql and a loop browsing through several hundred directories 
scanning their content is almost unnoticeable !!!!!!    scrolling 
speed goes down by maybe 20%... but network access remains pretty 
steady... congrats to RT...

Looking at my mysql:// code ('do-handshake and 'read-packet functions), 
I notice that I didn't use any 'wait to synchronize with the server. 
Instead it loops on 'read-io until it gets all the data expected 
which may waste some cpu time. Looking today, I'll say that's not 
the best way to do that, and the code stability could benefit from 
a couple of 'wait calls. I should definitely rewrite the low level 
stuff.

Maxim: if you're guessed right on the access denied issue, you should 
be able to fix it by addind a few 'wait 0.01 to the 'do-handshake 
function. Put one 'wait just before each call to 'read-packet and 
if you have time do some tests.

@Gabrielle: AFAIK the scroller events just  fire the SQL requests 
when the scroller is moved. So the request can overlap in time. The 
simple trick above solved the problem.

a long time..... oops sorry about the errant entry key. Ideas anybody? 
-- tim --

Dummy question: is it possible to insert more than one SQL statement 
in one time ?
ie:

insert mysql-db {INSERT INTO table VALUES (1, "USA"); INSERT INTO 
table VALUES (2, "FRANCE"); INSERT INTO table VALUES (3, "ITALY")}

But I can't do that for UPDATE !!

So I need to know it the Rebol MySql protocol allow to pass several 
SQL statements in one time.

after the query I store 'now. the next time I do a new query I check 
'now against the stored one. if the difference is more than 30 seconds, 
I close the db connection and open it again immediately

Ok, but who will develop those modules? Would they be open source? 
Personally, the reason why I love rebol is because it allows me to 
focus on the business, not on the tehnical aspect of a database, 
fastcgi, etc... I am certainly not the one who will develop technical 
modules, simply by lack of knowledge and time. But I really need 
those db access, fastcgi, etc...

It could be RT, or they could come from 3rd parties.  I guess the 
answer is time will tell. You can certainly express your views and 
requests to RT, they may change direction based on customer input. 
However the directions is a bit blurry right now.

I think you can do that. cronjobs are normal scripts that are carried 
out. they reside in a table of cronjobs which basically is a shell 
script with some time and date information added

I would like to know the result guys, as I am about to create scripts 
for the partner site, and if I fail, bye bye rebol - the trouble 
simply is - they told us - if you want to sync data to us, prepare 
import utilities for us. So - I would still have to do the job, just 
using php or simply something else - which would be a big time loss, 
as I never used it before ....

So - I did some homework here, but I am at my limits (well, maybe 
not, but I will be very slow from now on), whereas we have ppl knowing 
C here, and ppl who did some hashing etc. for Beer (Ladislav), so 
guys, if you find some 10 minutes of spare time, please at least 
try to give me some pointers here. As I said - the world is upgrading 
mySQL to 5.0 now, so 4.11 is older, not to mention 4.0.1 or 3.23. 
It is about having mysql free scheme for rebol, or not. And don't 
think every admin will be willing to set old-password parameter for 
his server, as this can be regarded a security risk ...

I suggested such model for a long time already. I used it with rebol 
in the past too ... so just - how much, and who does it? :-)

Doc probably wanted his script to work independently of Pro and Command. 
(or, that method wasn't implemented at that time).

Hi, you did well by making this group web visible, I have no more 
time to chat on AltMe only checking sometime the web export of AltMe 
channels.

I'll try to reuse your code for scrambling, it will save me time 
looking in the sources of MySQL server.

OK, anyway, please let us know, if you will find free time to work 
on it ....

Dock, if you publish a new version of mysql-protocol.r, it's time 
to make the correction of the bug in the init function, the longlong 
conversion and in the data reading initialization.

For the lonlong conversion, the conversion model is initialized to 
none. It should be initialized to integer like this :
	conv-model: [
		decimal			[to decimal!]
		tiny			[to integer!]
		short			[to integer!]
		long			[to integer!]
		float			[to decimal!]
		double			none
		null			none
		timestamp		none
;		longlong		none		; Removed
		longlong		[to integer!]	; Added
		int24			[to integer!]
		date			[to date!]
		time			[to time!]
		datetime		[to date!]
		year			[to integer!]
		newdate			none
		enum			none
		set				none
		tiny-blob		none
		medium-blob		none
		long-blob		none
		blob			none
		var-string		none
		string			none
	]

You already can have several connections opened at the same time 
with the current driver. I don't see the benefits of the /Command 
way. If you really need to have exactly the same behaviour, I guess 
that you have to overload the 'first function in my code and return 
a new port! using  the connection port  as 'sub-port.

My current priorities are project generating incomes. Unfortunately, 
I have very little time for other projects.

I'll release it as soon as I find some time to update the docs and 
package it.

I get a strange bug where I, every time I do a query, some old data 
is sent back to me

actually it happens every time I try to query an empty table

sorry, I can't make a simple example right now. no time. :-(

another thing I experienced: The server was moved to a new location. 
For some reason, everything went FUBAR, because DNS had not been 
set up. This caused connecting to the server to take about 60 seconds 
to get through. When I looked in the list of connections, it just 
says "logging in" for that long time. I connect to the server with 
an IP address, not a host name, so what's going on?

talking about Cerebrus,had 2 more mails this week that it choked 
on-time stamps again I think.Maybe you 2 can merger rebmail and Cerebrus 
?

If you update your rules script the updates will be in effect the 
next time you fetch your mail (i.e. you do not have to restart the 
program)

Fabrice ... 
1. do you mean who the email is addressed to?

2. In theory you could add a rule to to store the incoming messages 
into different  folders for each To address.

3. Do you mean the popup window that tells you the folders where 
the emails have been stored? If so we could add a preferences variable 
to not show the window when fatching multiple accounts?


I will be busy for the next week ... but then I have a weeks holiday, 
I shoud have time to do some updates then, let me know what is most 
urgent for you and I will draw up a list of priorities here.

Fabrice - re-reading your message, op-blocb/2: should be a string 
containing the Rebmail folder name, not the system folder name.
Looks like there is an error in the documentaion here. 

So try your rule again but this time with the Rebmail folder name.

rebmail 4.10.11 & associated helptext has been released (18/06/2005) 
...

Changes Since 4.9.6
4.9.7   - Enhancement - Import emails" "Phil Bevan" 21/02/2005]

4.9.8   - Enhancement - Apply rules to a folder" "Phil Bevan" 30/05/2005]

4.9.9   - Bug Fix - Correct backdrop on getmail progress window" 
"Phil Bevan" 31/05/2005]

4.9.10  - Enhancement - decode ISO-8859-1 / ASCII-US encoded text" 
"Phil Bevan" 31/05/2005]

4.9.11  - Enhancement - allow Shift select to select multiple emails" 
"Phil Bevan" 01/06/2005]

4.9.12  - Bug Fix - Ensure download time is updated correcly" "Phil 
Bevan" 01/06/2005]
4.10.1  - Enhancement - Add options window
4.10.2  - Enhancement - Add rules maintenance
4.10.3  - Bug Fix - Remove Debugging info
4.10.4  - Bug Fix - Make Select Folder in Rules work
4.10.5  - Bug Fix - Apply send patch under View 1.3
4.10.6  - Bug Fix - Better Error trapping when applying fixes
4.10.7  - Bug Fix - Fix folder returned from unknown folder name

4.10.8  - Bug Fix - Do not try to copy email to itself when applying 
rules
4.10.9  - Enhancement - Add default inbox for incoming mail

4.10.10 - Bug Fix - Make Select Folder in Rules datila work for View 
1.2
4.10.11 - Bug Fix - Ensure preferences work on new install


rebmail.r can be found at .... http://www.upnaway.com/~philb/philip/pbmail/readmail.r

reabmail is also the following formats 

rip format at  .... http://www.upnaway.com/~philb/philip/pbmail/readmail.rip

zip format at  .... http://www.upnaway.com/~philb/philip/pbmail/readmail.zip


the archive containing rebmail.r & rebamail.html (rip = compressed 
self extracting rebol archive)
 
Any problems let me know.

Thanks Phil! Every time you post an update, I think to myself "I 
should really try to start using this thing." Then intertia pushes 
me along. :-(  Someday....someday...

Sorry .. this time without spelling mistakes ....


readmail 4.13.8 & associated helptext has been released (06/05/2006) 
...


For detailed changes http://www.upnaway.com/~philb/philip/pbmail/readmail.ver


readmail.r can be found at .... http://www.upnaway.com/~philb/philip/pbmail/readmail.r

readmail is also the following formats 

rip format at  .... http://www.upnaway.com/~philb/philip/pbmail/readmail.rip

zip format at  .... http://www.upnaway.com/~philb/philip/pbmail/readmail.zip

the archive contains readmail.r & readmail.html 
(rip = compressed self extracting rebol archive)
 
Any problems let me know.

Want list:

1. HTML support
2. Redirect
3. Return receipt
4. BCC (blind carbon copy)

Any chance that you will be adding these features any time soon?

It is working now importing years (many thousands of messages) of 
email. It is taking a long time. We will see how well it does.

view/options lay: layout [
	box "Bouncing window !!" 300x200 rate 1 feel [
		engage: func [f a e] [
			if a = 'time [lay/changes: 'restore show lay]
		]
	]
	text "Minimize me (if you can ;-)"
] 'resize

use them all the time

anim: make face [
	    image:  none
	    rate:   1
		edge:	none
		font:	none
		feel:	make feel [
			engage: func [face act event] [
			    if event/type = 'time [
			        face/image: first face/data

           face/data: either tail? next face/data [head face/data][next face/data]
				    show face
	    		]
 		    ]
		]
	]

mmh, after disabling nearly all widgets, it seems that the events 
who eats memory:

even without 'progress, memory is consumed by 4-8ko steps. (just 
going over 'button eats memory)
for 'anim its more visible ('time events),

recycle in 'progress mean recycle at each 'show, so a recycle at 
window level could do the same.

in fact I think is allacation every time an allocation is done the 
yet existing data is not cleared we yet discus this point on french 
forum we we was working on free-mem fonction

anim: make face [
		edge:	none
		font:	none
		para:	none
		feel:	make feel [
			engage: func [face act event] [
				if event/type = 'time [
					face/image: first face/data

     face/data: either tail? next face/data [head face/data] [next face/data]
					show face
					recycle
				]
			]
		]
		rate:	1
	]

i think 'show use some memory, and don't recycle it
it would be bigger else, something like  n * image size
I tried with bigger images (400x400 instead of 40x40)
and only 16k more is allocated at each time

A suggestion .. don't quit after closing an example window please 
.. halt will do just fine.  Otherwise have to reload rebol each time 
:(

pekr sure this will come in time but in a 0.1.3 version I don't think 
this is actually the priority ...

Asley I know that it. But that's not beacause RT is working on it 
too that we can't work on it right now with yet existent technologies 
and try to figure out how to do it with the limited capabilities 
(bacause we don't have aaccess to entire VM source code) we have. 
In futur once we yet trully have a working solution and VM will have 
officiallly the new technology AGG we could help Carl on TDM  by 
apporting our RTE/IR (ritch text editor input renderer) code to him. 
it's a base of search for us but it means to be one implicitly for 
Carl If we want to save his time and focus it on the important things 
we have maybe to take in charge some od research work  ;)

Ammon: Impressive! Little time to dive into the code, are there docs? 
And what SDK/View version is required?

I can imagine my text deleted very easily that way ;-) .... but never 
mind ... we still have the time to change it ....

RebGUI 0.1.6 (b) version that includes cyphre's ctx-menu is done 
;) Well it was added as it and as I'm less an artist than Ashley 
I let it functionnal as it was mainly designed by cyphre. I add a 
little trick and some code to it to make it more resemblant to a 
common menu and add the possibility to draw text starting from left... 
I hope Ashley or others could take some amount of their precious 
time to see it and enhance this very first implementation to make 
it even more in the mood of RebGUI

carsten: I have to think about it ... quite some time I even used 
a java xml library

But if you have 10 or more you can collect them, maybe they print 
some report (time, errors etc.) and you avoid things like this: carstens 
removes a "load", it works for him, but breaks another piece of code. 
And often nobody writes test scripts/code. And the test scripts, 
if available, are always a good code base to learn how the real script 
should be used. I'll look into rebol-unit (but only tomorrow)...

I guess in rebol we have fewer problems than java, as rebol is dynamic 
and java has to emulate that? So it cant map its own classes because 
the format is not known at compile-time? While we can. And then xml 
in memory should be in the order of rebol-blocks?

it seems powerfull, but I had a hard type getting it to work.  I 
WAS pressed for time though.

But by avoiding the AST aren't you throwing the possibility for optimizations, 
a direct rewrite engine is more like a literal translator. The cool 
think of having an AST is all the tricks that you can play to produce 
more efficient code at the cost of pre-processing time.

Actually I don't care what directly is available (as a user), if 
just some things can be done:

e.g. people need to process XML - thus people already knowing XSLT 
and XPATH would like to leverage their knowledge (I asume) - so if 
we get a dialect for this (2.) this is nice, but even nicer if there 
is some mechanism (a generalization) which allows to import an XSLT 
(ast?) or some XPATH query and return the (more rebolesque) according 
Rebol dialect

3. three has always this kind of attitude of being able to do everything 
better in Rebol itself - even if true (?), that's one of the problems 
with Rebol, that outsiders can't afford the time to do many things 
better (themself) or don't care, because they want use some standards 
nevertheless and Rebol drops out as an option


so I vote for 2. with the ability for 1. maybe by the possibilities 
tree rewriting (or dialect rewriting) offers (I have not much glue 
about this - so some of the experts should know)

this group exists for a long time, and IIRC initially we were more 
or less discussing rebol - XML interoperability - SAX or DOM parser 
in rebol .... while from what is being discussed now, sounds like 
slightly bit different topic?

Well, I'm back after a long time off the air... Now back online and 
talking from a brand new iMac, and I enjoy it :-)

I submitted RebelXML to rebol.org quite some time from now. I can 
see it as been examined by some people. Well, it should be great 
if I could get some feedback about it.

Well, I just had a quick look. It seems to be clean code, well organised. 
Perhaps I can find some time to test it out myself in a few days.

hehe... I have a validating schema parser which uses a modified RebXML 
engine... but I still have not had the balls to ask my client if 
we would be willing to make it open source.... I'm sure he would 
benefit from the extra time people might put on it.

Almost ... I want to "push" my Address Book (on my iMac) to all the 
IP Phones in our office. I know the address of each IP Phone (10.1.1.x), 
and I can extract the data from Address Book easily enough ... what 
I havn't figured out how to do is replace the manual process of bringing 
up the admin page of each phone (in Safari), keying in the numbers 
and clicking the "Submit" button. Tom's suggestion may be on the 
right track, although I've got no idea what query-string is supposed 
to look like. May be time to dig the old HTML4 manual out! ;)

the first time i saw his new styles, i had some glue in my eyes

yes all the time.  accessing is exactly the same as for objects. 
 its actually much more flexible.

at this time .. it may come back to you

it is bound each time, so if you have 2000 instances, you actually 
have 2000 times that function in ram, it adds up quickly for larger 
objects... for such a simple object, it might not be all that bad...

If that is the case, perhaps I need a 'create function with each 
object, and at init time, iterate thru all the objects calling their 
create function ?

I have configs that are saved in the db as objects ... and those 
i have to check each time :(

Here is the snipped of XMl:   <?xml version="1.0"?>

<xts:sports-content-set xmlns:xts="http://www.xmlteam.com"query-date-time="20090724T011802-0400" 
query-string="http://fod.xmlteam.com/api-trial/getDocuments?doc-ids=xt.9140271-box"
hostname="fod.xmlteam.com" result-count="1" error-count="0" elapsed-time="64.2ms"><sports-content 
xmlns:str="java.lang.String" xmlns:dt="http://xsltsl.org/date-time"
xmlns:xts="http://www.xmlteam.com"xmlns:exsl="http://exslt.org/common"
path-id="baseball/l.mlb.com/event-summary/xt.9140271-box" xts:systemid="MLB_Boxscore_XML" 
xts:tsnid="9140271">

  <sports-metadata xmlns:fs="java.io.File" date-time="20090323T193000-0400" 
  doc-id="xt.9140271-box" xts:tsnslug="AAX%BOX-LOS-ANA" language="en-US" 
  revision-id="l.mlb.com-2009-e.26882-event-stats-sportsnetwork.com" 
  fixture-key="event-stats" document-class="event-summary" fixture-name="Box 
  Score">

    <sports-title>Boxscore: LA Angels vs. Los Angeles</sports-title>
    <sports-content-codes>

      <sports-content-code code-name="The Sports Network" code-key="sportsnetwork.com" 
      code-type="publisher"/>

      <sports-content-code code-name="XML Team Solutions, Inc." code-key="xmlteam.com" 
      code-type="distributor"/>

      <sports-content-code code-type="sport" code-key="15007000" code-name="Baseball"/>

      <sports-content-code code-type="league" code-key="l.mlb.com" code-name="Major 
      League Baseball"/>

      <sports-content-code code-type="season-type" code-key="pre-season"/>
      <sports-content-code code-type="season" code-key="2009"/>

      <sports-content-code code-type="priority" code-key="normal"/>

      <sports-content-code code-type="conference" code-key="c.national" 
      code-name="National"/>

      <sports-content-code code-type="conference" code-key="c.american" 
      code-name="American"/>

      <sports-content-code code-type="team" code-key="l.mlb.com-t.11" code-name="Los 
      Angeles Angels"/>

      <sports-content-code code-type="team" code-key="l.mlb.com-t.28" code-name="Los 
      Angeles Dodgers"/>

      <sports-content-code code-type="action-listing" code-key="complete"/>
    </sports-content-codes>
  </sports-metadata>
  <sports-event xmlns:fs="java.io.File">

    <event-metadata xmlns:xte="www.xmlteam.com/xte" date-coverage-type="event" 
    event-key="l.mlb.com-2009-e.26882" date-coverage-value="l.mlb.com-2009-e.26882" 
    event-status="post-event" duration="2:58" start-date-time="20090323T160500-0400" 
    xts:game-of-day="1">
      <sports-content-codes/>
      <event-metadata-baseball/>
      <site>
        <site-metadata>
          <home-location/>
        </site-metadata>
        <site-stats attendance="8704"/>
      </site>
    </event-metadata>
    <team>
      <team-metadata team-key="l.mlb.com-t.28" alignment="away">
        <name first="Los Angeles" last="Dodgers"/>
      </team-metadata>

      <team-stats score="4" score-opposing="10" event-outcome="loss">
        <sub-score period-value="1" score="1"/>
        <sub-score period-value="2" score="0"/>
        <sub-score period-value="3" score="0"/>
        <sub-score period-value="4" score="3"/>
        <sub-score period-value="5" score="0"/>
        <sub-score period-value="6" score="0"/>
        <sub-score period-value="7" score="0"/>
        <sub-score period-value="8" score="0"/>
        <sub-score period-value="9" score="0"/>
        <team-stats-baseball>

          <stats-baseball-offensive runs-scored="4" at-bats="36" hits="9" rbi="4" 
          bases-on-balls="2" strikeouts="4" doubles="0" triples="0" home-runs="0" 
          grand-slams="0" sac-flies="0" sacrifices="0" grounded-into-double-play="1" 
          stolen-bases="1" stolen-bases-caught="1" hit-by-pitch="0" left-on-base="7"/>

          <stats-baseball-defensive errors="0" errors-passed-ball="0"/>

          <stats-baseball-pitching runs-allowed="10" hits="13" earned-runs="10" 
          bases-on-balls="6" strikeouts="8" era="10.000" balks="0" errors-wild-pitch="0" 
          number-of-pitches="0" number-of-strikes="0" shutouts="0" games-complete="0" 
          wins="0" losses="1"/>
        </team-stats-baseball>
      </team-stats>
      <player id="b.11965">

        <player-metadata position-event="8" player-key="l.mlb.com-p.11965" 
        status="starter">
          <name first="Matt" last="Kemp"/>
        </player-metadata>
        <player-stats>
          <player-stats-baseball>

            <stats-baseball-offensive runs-scored="0" at-bats="4" hits="1" rbi="2" 
            bases-on-balls="0" strikeouts="0" singles="1" doubles="0" triples="0" 
            home-runs="0" grand-slams="0" sac-flies="0" sacrifices="0" grounded-into-double-play="0" 
            stolen-bases="0" stolen-bases-caught="1" hit-by-pitch="0" average=".271"/>

            <stats-baseball-defensive errors="0" errors-passed-ball="0"/>
          </player-stats-baseball>
        </player-stats>
      </player>

I<?xml version="1.0"?>

<xts:sports-content-set xmlns:xts="http://www.xmlteam.com"query-date-time="20090724T011802-0400" 
query-string="http://fod.xmlteam.com/api-trial/getDocuments?doc-ids=xt.9140271-box"
hostname="fod.xmlteam.com" result-count="1" error-count="0" elapsed-time="64.2ms"><sports-content 
xmlns:str="java.lang.String" xmlns:dt="http://xsltsl.org/date-time"
xmlns:xts="http://www.xmlteam.com"xmlns:exsl="http://exslt.org/common"
path-id="baseball/l.mlb.com/event-summary/xt.9140271-box" xts:systemid="MLB_Boxscore_XML" 
xts:tsnid="9140271">

  <sports-metadata xmlns:fs="java.io.File" date-time="20090323T193000-0400" 
  doc-id="xt.9140271-box" xts:tsnslug="AAX%BOX-LOS-ANA" language="en-US" 
  revision-id="l.mlb.com-2009-e.26882-event-stats-sportsnetwork.com" 
  fixture-key="event-stats" document-class="event-summary" fixture-name="Box 
  Score">

    <sports-title>Boxscore: LA Angels vs. Los Angeles</sports-title>
    <sports-content-codes>

      <sports-content-code code-name="The Sports Network" code-key="sportsnetwork.com" 
      code-type="publisher"/>

      <sports-content-code code-name="XML Team Solutions, Inc." code-key="xmlteam.com" 
      code-type="distributor"/>

      <sports-content-code code-type="sport" code-key="15007000" code-name="Baseball"/>

      <sports-content-code code-type="league" code-key="l.mlb.com" code-name="Major 
      League Baseball"/>

      <sports-content-code code-type="season-type" code-key="pre-season"/>
      <sports-content-code code-type="season" code-key="2009"/>

      <sports-content-code code-type="priority" code-key="normal"/>

      <sports-content-code code-type="conference" code-key="c.national" 
      code-name="National"/>

      <sports-content-code code-type="conference" code-key="c.american" 
      code-name="American"/>

      <sports-content-code code-type="team" code-key="l.mlb.com-t.11" code-name="Los 
      Angeles Angels"/>

      <sports-content-code code-type="team" code-key="l.mlb.com-t.28" code-name="Los 
      Angeles Dodgers"/>

      <sports-content-code code-type="action-listing" code-key="complete"/>
    </sports-content-codes>
  </sports-metadata>
  <sports-event xmlns:fs="java.io.File">

    <event-metadata xmlns:xte="www.xmlteam.com/xte" date-coverage-type="event" 
    event-key="l.mlb.com-2009-e.26882" date-coverage-value="l.mlb.com-2009-e.26882" 
    event-status="post-event" duration="2:58" start-date-time="20090323T160500-0400" 
    xts:game-of-day="1">
      <sports-content-codes/>
      <event-metadata-baseball/>
      <site>
        <site-metadata>
          <home-location/>
        </site-metadata>
        <site-stats attendance="8704"/>
      </site>
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Still seems to work as advertised - good for extraction; still missing 
the 'flatten function. Not much time for development in the schema 
direction though : (

JOIN differs from SUB-SELECT where you want to aggregate the columns 
of more than one table, so:

	select a.col, b.col from a, b


cannot be refactored as a sub-select. There are two reasons why I 
have not implemented JOINs in RebDB [yet]:

1) Dramatic increase in code complexity

2) You can almost always do it more efficiently in REBOL as you *know* 
the data structures and desired result set *in advance*.


About the only time this does not work well [in RebDB] is where you 
have to pull the contents of more than one table across a network 
to derive a small subset as the result set. So while this SQL would 
not suffer:

	select a.col, b.col from a, b

this might:

	select a.key, b.val from a, b where a.key = b.key

depending on the size of b.

IIRC MySQL docs join section describes very nicely the technique 
of optimisation. And after reading it some few monts ago I agree, 
that 'join is not trivial task at all, basically due to get it optimised. 
But you are right that most of the time those two mentioned cases 
are needed. The thing which complicates the optimisation part is 
- is your column a key? primary key? is it at least indexed? etc.

See my post from 12-Feb. The answer to "noise" is substitution variables 
(as it's a form of expression more familiar to long time SQLers). 
Also, I've never liked the idea of performing an operation (be it 
'compose, 'reduce, 'copy, etc) that takes away that choice from the 
coder ... someone may use statements that *never* need to be composed 
and they shouldn't have to carry that cost just because some else 
needs it.

If records aren't inserted often you can use a date/time for the 
field - otherwise use a number that you would increment. Keep in 
mind that if you do a lot of insertions and deletions, a number field 
could end up overflowing unless you occasionally compact the numbers.

Thought it was about time I started trying some of the great work 
done by the community and stop relying on the slightly less than 
friendly flat-file data storage I've been using.  RebDB is very interesting 
so far.

Works great.. Thanks!


You know, a really cool feature for RebDB would be to use tables 
stored on an ftp instead of locally. I think it would be possible 
since it's RAM based and you control your commits, but I could be 
wrong :) Now I'll have to sync my database manually every time I 
change computer

Anyone had any experience with SQLite (http://www.sqlite.org/), especially 
in conjunction with REBOL? What are the limitations of sqlite3-protocol.r 
(http://www.rebol.org/cgi-bin/cgiwrap/rebol/view-script.r?script=sqlite3-protocol.r), 
if any?

I'm interested to see how folks have dealt with issues such as:


 1) Support for datatypes other than TEXT, INTEGER, NUMBER and BLOB?

 2) All tables in one DB, or one table per DB to improve concurrency?

 3) Multi-user access across a network, given this statement from 
 the SQLite website:


SQLite uses reader/writer locks to control access to the database. 
(Under Win95/98/ME which lacks support for reader/writer locks, a 
probabilistic simulation is used instead.) But use caution: this 
locking mechanism might not work correctly if the database file is 
kept on an NFS filesystem. This is because fcntl() file locking is 
broken on many NFS implementations. You should avoid putting SQLite 
database files on NFS if multiple processes might try to access the 
file at the same time. On Windows, Microsoft's documentation says 
that locking may not work under FAT filesystems if you are not running 
the Share.exe daemon. People who have a lot of experience with Windows 
tell me that file locking of network files is very buggy and is not 
dependable. If what they say is true, sharing an SQLite database 
between two or more Windows machines might cause unexpected problems.

imo this is so big waste of time, it even does not deserve separate 
group. PS is good for what nowadays? Printers? Who does use it? At 
least for documents in corporate sphere, thre are only two kinds 
of docs which will survive imo - PDF, and XML based docs.

I lean toward PDF too, but the dialect is not much fun to use, it 
can take a long time to load, and you have to preview it before printing, 
not too mention versioning issues. Thats why I had been looking for 
a BMP printing solution. I was considering using PS for printing 
only images directly to printers, which would still be nice--mainly 
for non-win OS's. I think this would be much easier to impliment. 
I dont know squat about post script, but it could potentially be 
just a hack.

If I get time, I'll see if I can create a web service that turns 
growth data into CDC chart.

I thought about this subject yesterday night and yeah, it would be 
nice to be able to do "anything and everything" in Rebol and PS does 
offer that. Besides the kind of charts that Graham showed, things 
like wrapping/flowing text around graphic images would be useful. 
Of course at some point I would most likely convert it to pdf through 
Distiller. 

I totally agree that good clean output is essential. My last programming 
foray in PS was some 16 years ago. At that time it was the only way 
to go for me. I suppose that alone shows the staying power of PS.

Gregg, it's like cgi... unless you've got a web server, cgi is a 
waste of time for you.  If I have a web service that uses a postscript 
dialect to create a postscript image, and then uses ghostscript to 
convert to pdf .. well, that is useful to those running web services, 
but a waste of time for those who don't.

Now it works. It seems, it take a little time, before tiscali makes 
content reachable.

It'll take time for me to read others dialect rules. It'll probably 
be faster for me to make the dialect, so I know, what's going on 
everywhere.

So, if it resides on the local drive, and you load it each time .. 
you're okay?

I am looking into putting time on improving the look a bit, or in 
the least allow a bit more global control.

I think I misunderstood your question.  Its possible some  methods 
could be extracted from GLayout, but I have no time to do that kind 
of task.

some styles are not part of glayout (for no real reason other than 
time and user demand)

most of the time i dont need to resize the styles on it

on my HD... some  look and feel issues have kept me from releasing 
it.  I need to clean it up and that takes time... for my part I don't 
mind the few display quirks for my apps...

Or you have more time to prepare!

Don't know if they offer one time deal though.

Maarten, it's FMS with a custum app (one that I've only tweaked slightly 
- not my creation).  Reichart, I worked for a long time towards a 
Rebol videoconference solution, and this just d

This is my first time posting to Altme - I'm comfortable communicating 
here to organize Devcon activities.  A group demo may be the easiest 
way to prepare, if we can find a convenient common time.  I'm in 
Eastern time zone - during the week, I'm typically free late mornings, 
early afternoons, and then again after 10pm.   I can be reached by 
email at nick ---a t---  musiclessonz ---d o t--- com for anything 
personal :)

Maarten, if you're there and need to leave quickly, maybe you can 
try out out the system first - it shouldn't take too long to see 
how everything works.  I'll try to get together another time for 
those who can't make it today.

uh, got Vista reinstalled last week, need to set-up my webcam once 
again, Skype too .... damned Windows ... so much wasting my time 
...

BrianH, it'll only work 1 at a time - that's probably why you're 
not seeing it.

It will only allow one broadcaster at a time, and someone currently 
has that page open

If we are willing to pay we can use the Adobe service as well. This 
worked but I couldn't get the spund to my headset, if I recall (the 
brief period before my ADSL went down) it was only 3 at a time. I 
think they have a pay-as-you-go. The money would be like the virtual 
conference fee.

Anyway, cool stuff.