AltME groups: search

About disreb: Sorry to be unclear originally. At the moment, it's 
R2 only (I'm currently sticking with the latest version of R2 because 
I understand that it has a more stable GUI), however I am very willing 
to incorporate changes for R3. I'm not yet sure what the best fashion 
of collaboration with the Google code site is, but hopefully I'll 
have some time to investigate tomorrow. Sorry for the late reply, 
but I have imperfect access to AltMe (it's firewalled at work and 
I forgot my password (ha!) so I don't have it working on the computer 
I'm programming disreb with). @Oldes, I hope you find it useful should 
you chance to use it! Thanks!

My world, linux version running on linux machine, has just become 
unreachable since noon after working for years. Nothing changed on 
that side - the altme.com web site reports it as reachable. I can 
connect to it from the linux box it's on, but not from the W XP box 
sitting alongside nor any other.

Official 0.4.2 available on AltME site works OK on gNewSense and 
auto-upgrades to 1.2.25

The beta links on the site are dangerous and should have been removed 
years ago

http://tryrebol.esperconsultancy.nlwas running on a combination 
of QuarterMaster and my own CMS. Over the past few weeks, I've extended 
the CMS enough to move the whole site to it

A call to french reboleur :

Nous cherchons a promouvoir REBOL au sein de la communauté developpez.com.

Nous sommes donc en quête de bonnes volonté pour écrire des cours/tutoriels, 
des articles sur REBOL, des critiques des livres, animer un blog, 
etc...
Les bonnes volontés peuvent se déclarer sur : 

http://www.digicamsoft.com/cgi-bin/rebelBB.cgi?thread=%3C16Nov201014400973923100%3E


(we are seeking for french volunteers to promote REBOL on french 
programing site developpez.com)

Re "How to solve systems of linear equations in REBOL?" - generally, 
you can use the matrix operations posted to my site:

http://www.fm.tul.cz/~ladislav/rebol/matrix.r

rebol.wik.is site is now here ... http://www.compkarori.co.nz:8000/

I've added the Hello World request/reply examples to the 0MQ bindings 
site:

Official REBOL / Red User Group in north of France the 28th of may 
2011
Cht'i RUG 2011 will took place at Zango restaurant in Lille.
Lunch and meeting in the afternoon.

Official topic on REBOL France site : 

http://www.rebol-france.org/actualites/chtirugmai2011


The author of Cheyenne and Red programming language will be present.

The author of the most famous books about Rebol Olivier Auverlot 
will also be present.

Note: The code is not yet uploaded and the URL is not correct. Cyphre 
did use the old-company site. I'm going to post an update.

THE CODE IS NOT YET ONLINE FOR DOWNLOAD

Web-Site updated. See: http://saphirion.com/development/


- the rm-asset.com site is no longer valid, the company was terminated

- we use a web-font please let me know if you see any screwed up 
pages
- this R3-GUI release is a huge one, see history

Any comments and feedback welcome.

it would be prettier if the AltME server could serve the site itself.

I'll start doing some things on the project site in the future, but 
I've got a lot of other stuff going on, so it will take some time 
until I get to it

What is the license of Boron? I've been having trouble figuring that 
out from the posted site. Is it BSD-compatible, to allow binary linking?

There's no 'system, let alone system/options/cgi.  Is there any method 
for retrieving GET or POST data?  I'd work agressively at implementing 
some useful web site applications with Boron if there was even rudimentary 
CGI support.

I've moved from MobileMe to DropBox since then.

import http://dl.dropbox.com/u/8269768/rebsm.r
help db-
test: db-load http://dl.dropbox.com/u/8269768/test.bin
help test
sql select test


I'm in the process of rebuilding my Dobeash site and will be adding 
this (and a few other goodies) along with documentation when done. 
No ETA, but it can live on dropbox until then.

You know I thought I saw that but this morning I went to the main 
site and that's pretty much the same as it always has been.
Thanks. I'll take a look.

Try to search using google: "rebol prototype based objects site:rebol.com"

You will find nothing apart "Core product information" and something 
on "Rebol/View" then only in the lower part of the page you will 
findd something in REBOL3 docs.

I wrote one ... just have to find it .. the site I posted it to is 
down.

Yup Graham. For me that should be a little sleep - I have to wake 
up again in 2 hours to go to a customer site. Pekr, stay on topic 
:)

OK, now that we have 2.7.7 released (even though there is more work 
to do, i.e. platforms and the SDK), it is time to look ahead to 2.7.8 
- which is scheduled for release in one month on February 1. The 
primary goal of this release is to migrate to REBOL's new development 
infrastructure. This means:

- Migrating the RAMBO database to a new CureCode project and retiring 
RAMBO.

- Using Carl's generation code for the manual to regenerate the R2 
manual, so we can start to get to work updating it.

- Porting the chat client to R2 using the new functions and building 
a CHAT function into R2 similar to the R3 version.


The R2 chat client might be limited to the ASCII character set, though 
support for the Latin-1 character set might be possible. Still text 
mode for now, though if anyone wants to write a GUI client (Henrik?) 
we can put it on the official RT reb site accessible from the View 
desktop. The server is accessed through a simple RPC protocol and 
is designed to be easily scriptable.


It turns out that Carl already rewrote the installer for 2.7.something, 
but it was turned off because of a couple minor bugs that we were 
able to fix in 2.7.7. With any luck, only minor fixes to the registry 
usage will be needed and we'll be good to go.


As for the rest, it's up to you. Graham seems to have a good tweak 
to the http protocol, and others may want to contribute their fixes.

this latest web site effort is the perfect place to integrate all 
the docs and ACCUMLATE the information into a single and cohesive 
reference.


as a new user, old user and transitioning user, having all the information 
in one page is best for all cases. 
-you don't end up in the wrong docs (new users).

-you can easily see the scope of the improvements (old users comming 
back or tempted to)

-you can much more easily understand and grasp the changes when they 
are comparable in the same sheet (transition).

its not *supposed* to be an issue, but I have had issues where it 
was.  I had read on the net and others where also having write issues 
on their data disks.  it as even flagged at a MS site... buts been 
a while (like 3 years) so I don't remember all the details of the 
problem.

a secured web browser??  do you mean a https site is open?

because of web site availability problems, i have changed my site 
: you will find here the three  "experimental" extensions that I 
have done to learn the extension mechanism : a text to speech extension, 
a matlab engine extension, a simple windows api extension with some 
useful calls : http://www.colineau.fr/rebol/R3_extensions.html

Because we have been working on other things, mostly R2 and the web 
site (and R3 mezzanines in my case).

Max, I don't know what you do but the overall concept would be:
1. Loading the DLL dynamically

2. Finding all requested functions dynamically (Windows has a call 
for this where you provide a string of the function name (just can't 
remember the call name)).

3. Implementing a generic R3 extension function that will be marshalled 
on Rebol site so that the first parameter will the function name 
and than all paraemters (I would use a block here).
4. Rearrange all this to call the Win32 function.

Interestingly the first site I went to using this software does not 
display this text!  http://code.google.com/p/spread-excel/

and with 50 objects, i have 30% to 50% CPU usage.
Time events are not so bad.

http://sites.google.com/site/rebolish/test-1/draw-shapes-22.r

Steeve - your script reports some error here:


>> do http://sites.google.com/site/rebolish/test-1/draw-shapes-22.r
Script: "Untitled" Version: none Date: none
** Script error: Moved has no value
** Where: catch either either applier do
** Near: catch/quit either var [[do/next data var]] [data]

Henrik - will your site with screenshots become available again? 
.... and ... should we await some new creations in upcoming weeks?

when I went to the webkit site is was severely under-documented.

That means that styles get functional names, not graphical names. 
Layouts should make sense if the user is color-blind. It is up to 
the theme designer (which may also be you, in a different role, or 
it may be someone on a theming site) to decide colors.

Of course I don't expect that artwork can just be dropped in and 
we have a new look - I've done enough GUI work to know what the limitations 
can be. Still, even if the rendered look has to be reproduced programatically, 
there could be a benefit in starting to evaluate different proposals. 
A site like 99designs seems to be a pretty cheap way to get various 
ideas thrown around.

vivid.com si a porn-site though, so I think that VIVID is 1) not 
useable due to the factor mentioned 2) maybe too general name to 
google for? maybe vivid-gui.com would work though, dunno ... let's 
not opent the topic right now, there was something like 40 or more 
names suggested :-)

Today, I made some tests (again) with vectorial fonts using draw.

And... It's not that bad when the gamma correction is... corrected.

My test:

font: ["verdana" size: 15]
gamma 2.0
pen none 

http://sites.google.com/site/rebolish/test-1/not_bad.png
(look at the white text)

As for business apps - that sounds fine, it is just that we did not 
see e.g. list of styles, you might need. Is there e.g. a tree-view? 
Tabs? Table is there IIRC (there is a screenshot on henrik's site)

I downloaded R3.exe from henrik's site ... and the gui but he says 
it might be caching old versions

For the left window from my screeshot I used my newest working version, 
for the right window I used r3gui from Henrik's site.

Henrik - question to your site being down on ML. I know that it is 
now available via IP address, but dunno if you want to get it published. 
Feel free to answer on ML.

I think I will add the R3 build we use to the web-site as well...

New 'X-mas' release of R3-GUI is available for download at http://www.rm-asset.com/code/downloads/

top-level changes:

-smarter face update mechanism
-improved dynamic panel content handling
-internal optimizations and more system-friendly redesign
-cleanup of obsolete code parts

some more detailed notes:


- panels can now contain normal, VISIBLE faces, HIDDEN faces (just 
invisible, but taking the same space as the visible faces), IGNORED 
faces (invisible, and not taking any space), FIXED (visible, but 
not resizing with the panel, having a fixed position and size)

- the ON-CONTENT actors for all panels (HGROUP, VGROUP, VPANEL, HPANEL) 
now are as much compatible with series function as practical, taking 
an integer index, high-level function can take a gob or a face to 
specify the position as well

- Data optimization: FACES attribute removed to not need to store 
and maintain the same information twice, risking the conflicts (they 
were already present, order of faces was not identical)


You can also download the latest R3.exe from our site which contains 
LOAD-GUI that directly loads the actual release. This way you are 
always using the latest R3GUI codebase.


We'll be updating the 'old' documentation soon to be up-to-date with 
our current R3GUI version. So interested developers can start using 
it for real or participate on the project.

it'll be up on the site, once Robert gets around to it. I just didn't 
want to spam this group with a list.

for all the worried, Carl twitted "Wrapping up website changes. Was 
a huge, intense project, but had to be done. The site is much more 
manageable as a result."

the new R3 web site is SOOOO much better to navigate on..... 


yeah, it doesn't look like a million, but at least it doesn't get 
in your way, like the old site did. 

just tought I'd share my POV.

Max - it is just a structure, which was reshapen, and the page was 
also de-stylled. The layout, styling and gfx of the new site is not 
done yet, as well as front page segmentation for particular target 
groups interests ...

no, nothing ... not even web site changes anymore .... so - R3 black-out 
for more than 2 months ....

right now flushing out (finishing) the extensions is actually the 
most enabling.  so: 


1.  Releasing the view host-kit with improved extensions would be 
the first step into finishing WHAT the first R3 beta will be, in 
terms of architecture. Right now, there are a lot of datatypes missing, 
and a proper REBOL callback mechanism *** with return value***  is 
probably the most frustrating issue with R3 extensibility.  image 
and vector types are critical to extensions... please they have to 
be part of next extensions.


2. Schemes!!!   with a lot of work ALREADY done,  plus willing and 
able helpers, Carl, you should REALLY look into this and orient the 
spontaneous team that is dying to get your attention so they can 
proceed FOR YOU.


3. Documentation ... I'd say.. .TWO complete and final pages a day... 
no need to do more.   At that rate, the documentation will be much 
more helpfull within weeks.  But sections of it will start to be 
worthy of being called documentation... right now... I'd call it 
the "sprawled notes" part of the site.

He's still sing the queue-with-timeouts priority model. The hostkit 
got put on hold while some of the timed out items were handled: R2, 
the web site, and now bug fixes.

Gregg, as for the STRICT-EQUAL? doc string length limit not allowing 
us to have its most important behavior mentioned, we don't have evidence 
yet that this is the case, and it seems unlikely. Noone mentioned 
the case sensitivity needing to be there before, and now noone has 
tried to phrase the doc string accordingly. I suggested that a documentation 
ticket be submitted with new phrasing, and just mentioned the limit 
(and its rationale) for the information of the person doing the submitting.


We need to have some limit on the length doc strings for a variety 
of reasons, not the least of which is that it is good to be concise. 
Many built-in functions can't have thorough documentation in their 
doc strings no matter how long we make them. The doc string is just 
a smmary for some functions, a reminder for others. The full docs 
should go on the web site accessible from HELP/doc. And if there 
isn't a web site for one of the system words, or if it's wrong or 
outdated (which is a lot at this stage) then report it.

Does anyone know, if protecting R3 Docs Recent changes site is intentional? 
It served me well to look into new stuff.

the biggest problem is not the development, or the lack of thereof, 
but the lack of communication. I think that one short message per 
week or two on Twitter would not hurt :-) Just last two working days, 
 I experienced the same - I am leading our corporate site roll-out 
to 8 branches abroad. Marketing managers involved. While I worked 
like mad for last week, I started to receive emails, asking for the 
status update - and that's it - ppl just want to plan a bit their 
things. When I explained other branches, what I am busy with, they 
stopped asking, and I will update them once per week, till I finish 
the job ... and that's it ... correct communications ....

We know that Carl being the only one with access to rebol.com pages 
is considered by Carl to be a bug in the permissions system of the 
rebol.com site, and that he is working on it.

hmm, we are preparing for the beta - finally! Carl is working on 
the Projects/Roadmap site, the list is gone and we will get new one. 
I wonder if we will be able to influence that. My bet is that we 
will kind of rush for beta, so things like tasking will be postponed 
for 3.1 :-)

Good stuff... I all I have read is what is on the r3 web site.

But don't take my word for it, diff the downloads you provide on 
your site.

I can put back online the 2005 videos... they were just eating bandwidth 
because of silly MS search bots downloading the whole videos each 
time they went thru the site.

in any way, i guess that anyone interested in them can simply ask 
me here. if you think there may be a real interest outside of this 
group... then it would be worth uploading them to youtube instead 
of keeping them in a obscure web site :)

I'm a little confused about the reference to a secret key and the 
like:  "Before you start, you’ll need an Consumer API Key and Secret. 
 If you don’t already have these, you can register an application 
at Twitter’s Developers Site"  I went to the site, but didn't have 
a clue as to what I should do there.  Any suggestions or links for 
me to investigate?  Thanks.

That is what I mean -- I'm confused by it. The Twitter developers 
site asks for Name, Description, Website, of the application.  Do 
I just enter dummy information here or am I createing another version 
of the same twitter app?  Just not sure what this is asking for.

I've added a speakers list to the ReBorCon web site

By popular demand, we made a Dutch translation of the site:

Cheyenne presentation slides are available here: http://cheyenne-server.org/blog.rsp?view=25

There aren't much slides because the focus was on the coding demo.


Demo files won't be added until I get home, no way to maintain a 
SFTP connection long enough from here to upload them to Cheyenne 
site.

I've added the slides to the Resources section of the site

Added the Red link to the site

Added the videos to the site

Added Red source code link to the site

probe load %/c/cheyenne/www/makework/data/wf001.txt
[make object! [
        id: 'wf001
        name: "Add Work"
        node-map: [make object! [
                id: 'SOURCE
                Description: "Add new software for Site"
                status: 'Complete
                Next-Node: 'A
                sub-tasks: "1. Used RFA to enter."
                When-completed: []
                Time: 60
                Notify: none
                status-url: func [] [

                    join http://localhost/makework/status.rsp?id=ID
                ]
                action-url: none
                mark-complete: func [] [
                    Status: 'Complete
                ]
            ] make object! [ ....

They stay as object! definitions viz  obj: do load %data/wf001.txt
>> probe obj
make object! [
    id: 'wf001
    name: "Add Software"
    node-map: [make object! [
            id: 'SOURCE
            Description: "Add new software for Site"

Anyone have this ? http://www.fm.tul.cz/~ladislav/rebol/peekpoke.r

It's not on Ladislav's site anymore at that url

size = site

Github is a good site, but there are a few issues, such as how they 
do not acknowledge the .r extension as Rebol.  I've gotten them to 
do .r2 .r3 and .rebol however.

I would like to see a similar site for Mercurial - it likely has 
advantages over Git, particularly on Windows.

It just makes me distrust that site. What if the other "advantages" 
are just as completely incorrect?

The general model is that if you plan on making changes to the codebase, 
you usually would "fork" (lowercase) the project on the GitHub site. 
 It is not typical for people to give write access to others on their 
repository.  So that URL ( git://github.com/rebolsource/r3-hostkit.git 
) is read-only.

GitHub hides the address and replaces it with your user name on the 
site... if you have one registered.  But anyone who clones the repository 
will have access to the address you list.

Now someone should really write some short docs. This is so complex 
and surely was not created for normal mortal, who just wants to download 
few source files and build a distro? So I downloaded Tortoise Git, 
naively thinking this is all I need. No, so I installed Git preview 
version (not full msysGit). Now - what should I do? I created a directory 
called host-kit, right pressed mouse, and chose "create repository 
here" or something like that. Now once again I press right mosue 
button, and try either git-clone, or Git sync, but it does nothing 
... I think my problem might be (apart from being too dumb and not 
willing to spend tonnes of my free time with such complex stuff):

- I am required to have some kind of account at target site

- I don't have it somehow linked with SSH stuff (did not choose to 
use my putty installation during the installation phase)


How do I get the actual copy of R3 Host Kit? There might be plenty 
users as me, willing just to download recent sources, and build, 
not to commit anything ...

The official site for Git is http://www.git-scm.com/(if you want 
to add a link).

I think that the language name alone is not the typical query that 
someone would do. Here's two examples:


- Tiobe index relies on "<language> programming" as its search query 
to mesure the popularity of a programming language (see http://www.tiobe.com/index.php/content/paperinfo/tpci/tpci_definition.htm)


- For Cheyenne web server (not a language, but uses a common name), 
people coming to the web site with only "cheyenne" as a search keyword 
are very few. A vast majority use "cheyenne server" or "cheyenne 
web" or "cheyenne rebol". Anyway, after been online for a few months/years, 
Cheyenne's web site appeared on first page if you search for that 
word only (while there's really a *lot* of others resources not related 
to this web server).


There's also another point to consider. If the target name is not 
strongly associated with an existing brand or a popular product, 
you'll see a lot of unrelated results on first page (that's the case 
for "Red"). So, AFAIU page ranking algorithm, once Red language will 
spread larger, I'm ready to bet that the cross-reference links of 
Red-related site (and back-references to Red's home site) will push 
it rapidly on the first page, or even in the top 3 list.

If you can't think of anything to do this Sunday, you could watch 
the page counter on the Red site :-)

You'll note that only a few trolls have responded to the article, 
and one person who already knew REBOL. This is typical when you introduce 
something that people don't understand. They'll hold back from responding 
in fear of saying something that makes them look stupid. However, 
so far four thousand of them have traveled from the article to the 
Red site, which is more than we get on a typical Syllable article

I can't sell web sites because my site builder is running in REBOL, 
which people can't get installed

I will improve the web site that make that difference more clear.

I will be waiting for you to upgrade your bindings before making 
the announcement (hope we can do it tomorrow). I have some things 
to add in the specification and red-lang.org site to dust off in 
the meantime (well, tomorrow would be nice ;-)).

Going to bed now, will update the web site tomorrow and post an announcement 
on the blog.

I will make post a news on freshmeat.net tonight (I still have some 
things to change on the web site).

About Blogger: this platform is a real PIA in many ways. When I will 
have some time, I will look at how to move out, probably going to 
WordPress, or setting up my own blog using the script from Cheyenne's 
web site (I would need to integrate an anti-spam service like Akismet 
in such case).

I appreciate it. I will try a few attempts when running behind the 
firewall.  I want to put together a simple regression package for 
a web site using CURL and REBOL and/or RED.

Never mind about the 2.0, even the NDK site lists it an an "other 
platform". I can't remember the last time I saw someone still stuck 
on 2.0.

Mike, I got the DLL versions for Windows from the official Windows 
download from the GTK site

Nope, still the same bundle on the site

There are seven retweets, though, and the page view counter on the 
Red site has suddenly broken down, but last night shortly after publication 
it had already gone up by two thousand

Note that there are many links in the article, so not even all readers 
will click to the Red site

I've skimmed the BNF doc at the red-lang site. It seems it is rather 
vague and unverified. I think maybe I need to build a Coco/R EBNF 
grammar and to check the grammar formally, for unabiguity and other 
grammar errors.

I am currently entering a formal EBNF Coco/R .ATG grammar for Red/System 
as specified in the BNF doc at the site.

It does not sound like much creative work... you can just download 
some existing theme like http://www.bloggerthemes.net/heliumified/demo
and tweek it a little bit... but it requires access to the site.

Now the WebKit browser starts loading the Red site, but halfway I 
get this:

where it should be declared then? in the example on the web site:
#enum colors [red blue green yellow]
a: red

colors
 used nowhere, so "red" is global. No?

Petr: actually, you have the choice to do whichever you want. For 
a production web site precompiling the performance-critical parts 
is probably the best way.