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The Web Site for the Zope Community

now, that was a news site ... blog etc... but after a 1000 days, 
not a single news entry except by myself.

so, I'm somewhat pessemistic about a community collaboration on such 
a project.


Pessimism implies something can fail…what can fail here?  Centralized 
information does not exist.  Building a site that centralizes information 
instantly accomplished the goal, as long as it can be updated by 
the very creation of information.  If it was nothing but an RSS transponder 
it would already accomplish something.


The trick to all of this is simply opening everything up.  Which 
brings up another great example, you blog, and your blogs have 0 
comments.  I blog (to a more private forum not computer related), 
I get anywhere between 20 and 100 comments.  But it is because I'm 
linked off a centralized feed.


People need to be invited in, given places to go, and know that things 
are happening.

Volker, in fact that is sort of what I'm saying.   Except I'm not 
suggesting anyone needs to move their stuff to this site, quite the 
opposite.  The site is to centralize all the information about all 
the other sites and places.  It is mostly a giant voting engine.

The news is just the top stories.

The forum is just a place for people to ask questions, in fact the 
mirror of Rebol3 should be there.


The library would still be over on Rebol.org.  but the reviews would 
be on RebolCentral.com.

so what? should I send you some Flash site link?

There is/was also Magic! (like RSP)  -- it may be available on the 
French site:
http://www.rebolfrance.info

I had to download a special service pack from the ms site ... but 
of course you have to validate that you have genuine windows.  but 
their plugin for firefox does not work.

and when I tried IE, some stupid content advisor came up blocking 
all access to every site .. the person I was helping had no idea 
how it had been set.  And there was a password protection on the 
content advisor ... with no one in the house knowing what the password 
was.

I created a RBOL links thread over at my website for anyone that 
wants a backlink to their REBOL site or rebol app product page.  
You can post a link and image (if desired) at http://www.tretbase.com/forum/viewtopic.php?f=8&t=33&start=0&st=0&sk=t&sd=a

No. It simply records if the word is there or not.


You will see scoring if you search the Script Library -- so "relevant" 
scripts come first.
That's done by having more than one skimp index:
    --  header index
    -- comments index
    -- strings index
    -- etc

And then scoring according to how many of those indexes contained 
your search words:
   http://www.rebol.org/site-search.r

I'm looking for a free server which allows rebol cgi.  I want to 
start coding a new site for all my work, rebol, music, visual arts, 
blogs, etc...  does anyone have free space/bandwidth on a server 
they can share?

it seems the shortest path these days is something like a linode 
VPS, but of course there will be a monthy fee for that too. The advantage 
is that you can pay per month, if you only need a month for testing 
a site, it'll cost 20 $.

there are a couple of videos on linode's site. if you follow them, 
the setup is frightningly simple.

yep, for 20$ a month per 200mb transfer, its pretty cheap.  obviously, 
you are sharing CPU bandwith, but for most uses, this is a non-issue, 
unless you have a heavily visited site (several hundred hits a minute)

Though, as this collection of photos show, not all of it is world 
class:

http://homepage.ntlworld.com/pete.meg/wcc/facility-of-the-month/site-map.htm

I didn't look at all the names... but I did notice a few names I 
had never seen before...  the few times I went to that site...  after 
posting this I saw that most of the replies where from known REBOL 
experts.


I guess its attracting some people, maybe not as much as I initially 
imagined...

Greg Higley has asked a few REBOL questions on Stackoverflow.
http://stackoverflow.com/users/27779/gregory-higley

It looks like just him and Reboltutorial are trialing Stackoverflow 
as a place for REBOL questions.


I am not convinced the competitive points scoring paradigm of Stackoverflow 
currently fits the more "amicable experts"  character of the REBOL-specific 
forums that exist.


I will attempt to answer questions on Stackoverflow as I am also 
critical of the somewhat unoutreaching character of most REBOL-specific 
forums [darknet / gated communities are terms that have been used]. 
But I am not greatly hopeful that Stackoverflow will become the premier 
destination site for REBOL questions....


....Thus leading to the obvious question: what should be that site? 
Maybe it is time to build it!

re reboltutorial.....it looks like a CSS typo rather than a (bad!) 
design decision.

(The site has just changed hosts, and had a complete makeover....there 
are some tweaks and bug fixesstill needed).

I've send him what I think is the fix, but  it looks like reboltutorial 
is having a short post-move break.

Great ! It's the kind of testimony that was really missing on REBOL 
main site.

site: select load-thru http://www.reboltech.com/index.r[folder "Anton"]
clear find site %index.r
do-thru site/library/include.r
include [site/library/window.r [test-find-face-deep]]
push: func ["push a value onto stack"
	[catch]
	stack [series!]
	value [any-type!]
][
	throw try [return insert/only tail stack value]
]
pop: func ["pop a value from stack"
	[catch]
	stack [series!] /local v
][
	throw try [
		v: last stack ; copy last element

  remove at stack length? stack ; remove last element without modifying 
  index
		return v
	]
]
test-find-face-deep

Sorry, need to update window.r probably. Do this:
	load-thru/update site/library/window.r

site: select load-thru http://www.reboltech.com/index.r[folder "Anton"]
clear find site %index.r
foreach url [
	site/gui/mimic-do-event.r
	site/library/window.r
	site/library/stack.r
	site/gui/shell-list.r
	site/gui/percent-progress.r
][
	read-thru/update url
]

site: select load-thru http://www.reboltech.com/index.r[folder "Anton"]
clear find site %index.r
foreach url [
	site/gui/mimic-do-event.r
	site/library/window.r
	site/library/stack.r
	site/gui/shell-list.r
	site/gui/percent-progress.r
][
	read-thru/update do url
]
do http://www.lexicon.net/antonr/rebol/gui/demo-shell-list.r

That could be in a download-script onthat site itself? :)

simplest way: have a clear-my-site. then all downloads are fresh.

I use http://polly.rebol.it/test/test/desktop/test-desktop.rfor 
my own site, there you can specify passwords for base-urls. but all 
hardwired still.

Didier Cadieu did make a nice area style.  It's available on the 
rebol.org site.  A year ago, I made some modifications to an earlier 
version of it, but I don't remember what I changed

For those that want to set up there own site, OK, but then what they 
should do is feed an RSS to the central site.

Search for TweakUI on Microsoft's site.

Yes, one thing we really need in the Rebol world is for someone to 
site down and create a full example set of what is possible with 
what we have.  I too am pretty weak with VID and View, but it's been 
something I think about every time I see a new Javascript library 
with lots of examples available.

There is also a community-run MediaWiki site at http://www.rebol.net/wiki/Main_Page

That is what the community-run site is for.

I think it would be great if the feel of the graphics on the site, 
and the logo, could match the feel of the GUI. I know GUis will have 
skins and themes, but a consistent message could go a long way. Is 
REBOL mainly a server scripting tool, or is it a slick-UI tool? And 
if View has a different target than REBOL/Command SDK, their icons 
can be themed as such.

I think that after much applauded period of R3 development, where 
we got something like 80 tickets resolved a month, R3 did not receive 
much dev cycles lately, due to other duties - web site redo, R2 release.

pekr, Carl has been doing the most important work on R2 for the last 
2 monts...  its a SINGLE huge task.   The web site is also part of 
R3 mission.  Carl has putting off the seb site for years, I am happy 
he decided to put a hold on things and "just do it".

I''m trying to understand this language, sometimes getting it, sometimes 
not. Anyway here's my question.

In VID, I have a layout.  I want to put random images in 3 columns 
with 5 rows.  The images are stored together in a single binary file. 
(this is a mod of the card game on Nick's tutorial site).


So I read in the images into a series,  after I set the layout. But 
how do add those to the layout?

Here's my current code:
do %cards.r

the-tableau: layout [
	size 320x480 backdrop 0.170.0
	across
	at 30x20 tc1: box 80x100 teal 
	tc2: box 80x100 teal 
	tc3: box 80x100 teal return
	at 30x130 tc4: box 80x100 teal
	tc100: box 80x100 coal
	tc5: box 80x100 teal return
	at 30x240 tc6: box 80x100 teal
	tc200: box 80x100 coal
	tc7: box 80x100 teal return
	at 30x350 tc8: box 80x100 teal
	tc9: box 80x100 teal
	tc10: box 80x100 teal
]

foreach [card label num color pos] cards [
	
	dimg: load to-binary decompress (card)
	append deck-cards dimg ;feel movestyle
	throw-away-label: label
	append deck-cards-num num
	append deck-cards-color color
	throw-away-pos: pos
]

view/new the-tableau

do-events

trying to compile the code now but the compiler from the site is 
a bit tricky

the site asks for user and pass for sdk

darn, the site was broken sometime yesterday... forgot... only the 
guys at rebol.com can fix that.

Carl has fixed the site problem.

Be sure to parse the whole get line - otherwise you might miss (or 
catch) maliciously crafted calls to your site.

I've been toying with this to obtain a very parsable "dialect" -- 
my goal being to scrape live game updates from a certain sports web 
site (for personal use, natch).  It's reliant on 'parse-xml though, 
so ymmv....

do http://www.ross-gill.com/r/scrape.r
probe load-xml some-xml

I can't shut down that website - my account was canceled more than 
6 years ago and I can't access it. If you look elsewhere on the site 
you will find the only site on the internet with the Oberon Compiler 
for DOS - the developer disappeared without a trace.

Can't edit the site :(

eFish - what is your new platform about? Still an IOS, or anything 
new? Once new rebol.com site is done, we need your success stories 
:-)

Oh, and I see you gave a good reply in the stackoverflow.com site.

Hi Paul,  I may have mis-stated what I'm after.  You see the site 
 http://rebol.com/r3/docs/functions/try.htmlhas displayable rebol 
code and responses within the html.  If you captured the html code 
you would find something like this:
<html>
<head>
...(additional html code and text)...

<title>REBOL 3   Functions: try</title>TRY returns an error value 
if an error happened,
otherwise it returns the normal result of the block.</p>

<pre>if error? try [1 + "x"] [print "Did not work."]             
                    <-- in this e.g. the tag <pre> will preceed the 
rebol command until the next tag

<span class="eval">Did not work.</span></pre>                    
      <-- the tag <span class="eval">  will preceed the response 

<pre>if error? try [load "$10,20,30"] [print "No good"]          
          <-- this is the next rebol command

<span class="eval">No good</span></pre>                          
       <-- this is the next response
<h2 id="section-3">Related</h2>


I want to be able to interrogate the html code, parse it and capture 
the rebol commands and responses (if any), then put that into your 
above block example.

I have this code which does this:

cmd-txt: "unasg"  cmd-term: "<"

pre-txt: "unasg"  pre-bgn:  "<pre>"               pre-end: "</pre>"

rsp-txt: "unasg"  rsp-bgn:  {<span class="eval">} rsp-end: {</span>}
site-url:	http://rebol.com/r3/docs/functions/try.html

page-txt: to-string read site-url
probe parse page-txt [thru pre-bgn copy pre-txt to pre-end]
probe parse pre-txt  [copy cmd-txt to cmd-term]
probe parse pre-txt  [thru rsp-bgn copy rsp-txt to rsp-end]

print [{"cmd"} "{" cmd-txt "}"]
print [{"rsp"} "{" rsp-txt "}"]

will yield this:
cmd

 { if error? try [1 + "x"] [print "Did not work."]          <-- this 
 is close to what I want to do
}
rsp
 { Did not work. }


This is close to what I want, but it is not foolproof.  For example, 
I would like to capture all displayable text that is separated from 
any html tags.  In my code example, if a displayable greater than 
symbol  < was displayed, then the parse would stop prematurely.


I am guessing someone has already created some code to "pull apart" 
a html web page, separating displayable text from invisible markup 
code.

my deadline is to have a site working by this week... unless this 
darned bug I am trying to kill doesn't kill me first.

my goal is to get the host code and OpenGL headers past the parsing 
phase.  once that is done, I'll start work on adding the production 
phase.


I still have to write the pre-processor, but that in fact is pretty 
straight forward.  there are little rules and they are much more 
static and well defined on the MS web site.

Not anymore, as it references a script from a site that doesn't exist 
anymore.

REBOL.org, or perhaps your own site for now? Or as a wiki page linked 
from PARSE docs?

Graham - first- I was just making fun without even looking into the 
site, watch the smiley (altough I noticed I am overusing them). OTOH 
I really don't like wiki systems, because most of the time, they 
are not UI clean for me ... it exposes its interface all around. 
The site provided though seems to have nice design ...

RebGui has some rough edges, but over all it has been really easy 
to build stuff with.  Ashley, on our Qfile client application, we 
are putting in the Credits RebGUI, and a ink to your site.  We will 
post a beta on Qtask and if you want something changed just tell 
us.

I'll spend a bit of time today updating my site and the Wiki before 
we go public on the ML and RebolTalk.

it is, and it is not - If I would not assist Bobik, he would probably 
give up. Yes, it is his fault to not know view-root, sandbox etc., 
but it tells something - things should stay easy in the first place. 
There is more and more apps, which follow copy & run principles - 
two articles on czech developer's site. And as Steve said - Amen 
- we give up on our own principles, following the outer world, when 
outer world is starting to get our ideas ...

Couple of minor administrative fixes:


 - Examples added for every widget in http://trac.geekisp.com/rebgui/wiki/WidgetList
  

 - http://www.dobeash.com/RebGUI/display.htmlupdated to reflect latest 
 changes (and have information duplicated in WidgetList removed)

 - Updated site with latest build and corrected path to: "do http://www.dobeash.com/RebGUI/get-rebgui.r"

We are starting to adapt thier rules to Qtask, and are bringing all 
the styles and interface onto one page, where we can set tempaltes, 
and then the whole site just "snaps" into style.

The widget list at the rebgui trac site.

Thanks Ashley. I dowloaded the latest from the Doebash site and everything 
seems to work fine now.

Yes, adding some RebGUI stable release to a web-site is a good idea. 
I can do it, or Ashley do you want to do it on your web-site?

there is a round table discussion...based on the schedule on the 
site

The www.free-codecs.com site is a little iffy nowadays, and doesn't 
have current versions. The K-Lite people lost the domain and someone 
else picked it up for their portal. The current K-Lite codec packs, 
Real and Quicktime Alternative are now at http://www.codecguide.com/
Good luck!

no need. I hope I'll get broadband back up no later than early next 
week. my critical wifi antenna is broken somehow and I can't receive 
anything from the remote ADSL site... haven't found out what's wrong 
yet.

Another question:  How do you setup Rebol code to be performed when 
a button is pressed?

Lets say I want a VID to show a list of websites to open to, and 
I set the default to HULU.
I have the following to setup the correct url:
 k-prefix:	[http://www.]
k-suffix:	[.com]
txt-site:	[hulu]
url-site:	to-url ajoin [k-prefix txt-site k-suffix]

OK, that works when I do a browse url-site

But when I put it after a button like this:
    group [

        button "Open"	browse url-site    <-- this code works only if it is 
        done before the VIEW  
        button "Reset" 	reset 
        button "Cancel"	close

I tried to replace the browse url-site with
browse to-url ajoin [k-prefix txt-site k-suffix]   to no avail.

Is there a way to "predefine" the code above the VIEW so that when 
the button is pressed, it will perform the desired task like

button "Open"    format-and-browse-site    <-- where this has been 
set to do the url-site assignment and browse funtions?

button "Open" do [browse url-site]

I think.

Hi Henrik,

This issue is not when to do the browse, that works, but when the 
url-site is properly assigned.

Try this:
REBOL []
; Assignments ------------------------------------
k-prefix:	[http://www.]
k-suffix:	[.com]
txt-site:	[hulu]
url-site:	to-url ajoin [k-prefix txt-site k-suffix]

; Main-procedure ---------------------------------
load-gui
view [
    title "WebSite Selector" 
    text "Please choose a website you would like to open" 
    panel 2 [
        label "URL:" 
        txt-site: field "Hulu"
        label "WebSites:" 
        area 
    ] 
    group [
        button "Open"	browse url-site 
        button "Reset" 	reset 
        button "Cancel"	close 
]	]

But I need to modify the code so that I can change the HULU to another 
site like GOOGLE

So, I need to replace button "Open" browse url-site with something 
that will evaluate the url-site AT THAT TIME, rather than what I 
have it defaulted to

As I said, you need a DO block (I think you missed that). Then you 
create a function to create the URL-SITE url. Then you use that as 
input with BROWSE and that will work.

Henrik,  I added the following code:

    eval-url-site:	does [to-url ajoin [k-prefix txt-site k-suffix]]
and then after the button "open" i have:
    button "Open"	browse eval-url-site

I get a ***GUI Error: Cannot parse the GUI dialect

But if I type browse eval-url-site at the console, it works -- What 
am I missing?

I'm playing around with FORM-DATE.R from the rebol.org site and I'm 
having trouble with a couple of commands

I am trying to define a new date-code of lowercase h to return the 
hour in regular time, not military time such that 13-24 would be 
1-12.

ie	#"h"	[PICK	[ time/hour  ( time/hour - 12 ) ]  time/hour > 12 ]		<-- 
pick the value of time/hour to be between 1-12
but when I try an example such as:

am: does [form-date 2009-01-02/03:04:05 "%y%m%d %h:%M%P"]	<-- I get 
 "090102 time/hour - 12:04AM"    hours is realy 03

pm: does [form-date 2009-11-12/13:14:15 "%y%m%d %h:%M%P"]	<-- I get 
"091112 time/hour:14PM"

how do I get r3 to evaluate the time/hour - 12 or the time/hour value 
before it picks the results?

The Rebol School site is now working again after 4 years of malfunctions.

Basically the data about the user Graham was set to a zero byte file 
when my site was hacked .. and vanilla looks at the user file when 
it displays a snip authored  by that user.  It was unable to load 
this data causing an error, and since I authored many of the snips, 
it caused most of the site to go down.

what is missing is a 100 page book on the subject.  not a reference, 
but a guide to parsing.  In fact what I often feel is missing is 
a reference that outlines not how PARSE commands work, but the different 
typical parsing constructs themselves.


its like explaining algebra as opposed to maths.  they are both fundamentally 
similar, only that algebra has a lot of non-obvious tricks like substitution 
and reduction which can be done.   these things have to be shown 
(usually) to even be noticed, let alone understood.


in a sense, when people start out with parse, they understand the 
concept of matchin a pattern, they just don't undertand how to break 
up and analyse a PARSE pattern, there doesn't seem to be much docs 
in the way of identifiying common PARSE structures, for real world 
patterns.


where are the pattern types listed?... we don't really know them, 
in relation to PARSE, there are no types of pattern we can say apply 
this technique to that pattern.


that is what makes learning PARSE complicated, the *structure* of 
the parse rule is the hidden knowledge which newbies don't "see". 

we can't just say: here is the "recipe" to solve a "quadratic formula"... 
 


There could be a site which has hundreds/thousands of PARSE examples, 
documents, and active forums, just like there are for regexp, this 
is how rich PARSE is... but alas there is not.

yeah, I think for now, just having a dedicated rebol-parsing site 
which tries to market itself independently of REBOL would be nice. 
  by independently, I mean that its content is valuable enough that 
it attracts new users to REBOL.


REBOL parsing is still one of still most powerfull feature and a 
lot of techies out there would use it if they new it existed.

Please follow the many tutorials linked from the REBOL site

Just seems to me that Apple could have easily have built their own 
Twitter clone site and incorporated their brand into IPHONE and more 
without much effort.

Very cool project managment site.  http://www.attask.com/

Matt is probably here because the site is powered by Wordpress:)

Janko, I liken the Amiga situation to flying the world's most advanced 
airplane into the ground and surviving passengers fighting on the 
ground over the twisted unsalvagable pieces, refusing to leave the 
accident site.

google has become a malevolant  liberator.... like the US in Irak. 
 we will free you from others... then remove your free will.


Buzz should NEVER have been forced upon me.  I am VERY pissed off. 
 I don't give a SHIT about buzz... I never will.  its a stupid idea 
in the first place.  

mail is a private thing.  Something to which I SPECIFICALLY DO NOT 
WANT to add a social experience to.


I mean, can you imagine people learning that you have subscribed 
to a porn site or some private agency (medical, govt, etc), because 
a very obvious mail address is listed as someone you correspond with 
often (cause you receive automated mails)?


then when any robot visits the url, it gets cached and you can't 
EVER remove that information from the net.  its freakin insulting 
to intelligence.

Reichart...I agree. I do not understand with the millions, maybe 
billions lost in time, resources etc why there is not some  agency 
set up to get this type of scam....they are hiding in plain site.

but yeah... this is very good press   especially since its a tourist 
site   :-)

Max: btw, the site development costed 800k€ to french administration 
;-)

funny how I am starting to like the guys at comodore usa !  :-o


when I read through the forum on their "fan" site, the guy in charge 
is quite level headed, knows the scene and actually embodies more 
of the spirit that went into the first commodore & amiga.   just 
do it.

decision - difficult to say .... some form of more involvement, better 
organisation of efforst. Last two weeks I exchanged two emails with 
Carl. My opinion is, that we need to start working on several parallel 
fronts. DevBase, DocBase, new RT's site structure (both .com and 
.net). We don't know anything concrete about those. And those are 
importan - we need to start to think too, how to structure docs, 
if/how we allow them to be translated, etc.

Because trying to do it in a cross-platform way can be very complicated 
and force you into a lowest common denominator scenario. The question 
for me comes back to whether you're trying to emulate a native OS 
look in general or not. If you are, then the menus should match; 
if not, the menus won't match your app. And given that every web 
site seems to have a different nav system and menu look these days--and 
people seem OK with that, even if it's not good UI, and doesn't leverage 
existing knowledge--it's not a problem.

(hope its fits, found that site a moment ago^^)

But what about the "user" community during that phase.  They won't 
wait around will they?  Not to say I don't plan on trying my best 
to help out with R3, but I don't see taking it to a construction 
site boss for quite few more days/weeks/months.

So I'm still back to planning for say an Invoicing application for 
a site boss.  That will be R2 code base for quite some time, no?

Umm, it's not directly R3 related, but I think Gabriele's PDF-Maker.r 
is a fairly large step toward cross-platform printing.  It's three 
flavour right now, pdf-maker.r in rebol.org, pdf-maker version 2 
on Gabriele's site (the target for future work and with some wicked 
powerful REBOL directed typesetting) and inside the rebol.org qml-ed 
package with the ease of qml input, pumping out pdf.


V2 at http://www.colellachiara.com/soft/PDFM2/is where x-platform 
printing may come from, methinks.

About plug-in...I need to change my mindset about it. I always avoided 
thinking: "Nobody wants t have to download a plug in o use your site. 
But I find myself needing to do it all the time and some of these 
new technologies like silverlight, require a download of some sort. 
 Rebol plugin downloads so fast it really is a minor annoyance. WE 
just need it on more platforms and browsers.

And the web site left me with a few questions

I'm an old Amiga guy and Syllable reminds me a bit of Amiga (from 
the site). I would be interested in joining that group if possible.