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Group: #Red ... Red language group [web-public] | ||
Kaj: 25-Feb-2012 | Mandelbrot Syllable Server, AMD Athlon XP 1800+ (256 KB L2 cache) CPU Time Relative C (GCC -O2) .025 1 C (GCC 4.4.3 i686) .05 2 Red/System .11 (0.3) 4 World (complex math) 4 (7) 150 World 6 (9) 250 Boron (i486) 7.5 (10) 300 ORCA (i486) 9 (12) 350 REBOL 3 2.100.111.4.4 9 (12) 350 REBOL 2 2.7.7 11 (13) 450 Ruby 1.8.7.248 (i486) 12 (15) 500 | |
Kaj: 9-Mar-2012 | I got the first Enlightenment example to run; so far just one of the included C examples from the Evas canvas library, on X11 on Syllable Server | |
Kaj: 9-Mar-2012 | Sorry, can't make them yet. I have no screenshot tool on Syllable Server, so I make them on Syllable Desktop, but I don't have Evas running there yet | |
Andreas: 9-Mar-2012 | Isn't "Syllable Server" just running plain X? | |
Andreas: 9-Mar-2012 | No xwd on Syllable Server then? No imagemagick either? | |
GrahamC: 9-Mar-2012 | looks good ...it says workstation not server though? | |
Kaj: 9-Mar-2012 | Yes, Server is non-graphical. At least, it only has DirectFB and SDL built in, and no desktop. Workstation is Server plus X11 from a GoboLinux layer and the ROX desktop from ZeroInstall | |
Kaj: 27-Mar-2012 | Our server was down for a short while | |
DocKimbel: 15-Apr-2012 | I am moving all my web site and web apps to a new server. Unfortunately, I have to change all the DNS entries too, so interruptions might occur during the next 24-48h on the following sites: - cheyenne-server.org - curecode.org - static.red-lang.org - softinnov.org | |
Arnold: 4-Jun-2012 | I don't know what you mean by that. A library or library-binding that is interesting to me? Okay let's say I find it important to use Red as I do with REBOL on my Apache driven website (no option to choose the server with my webhostingservice) to process rebol scripts and rsp scripts. I think there is a world of Red users to be won if Red could do this, at least we would be able to run Red/Redsp scripts on the apacheservers potential customers will have their websites hosted on, if you still can follow, they may not be too enthousiast changing websitehosting services only because we have some fun Rebol/Red scripting to offer. So where would I start? | |
Kaj: 4-Jun-2012 | Moving up, you could write a FastCGI server that would solve that problem and would also be more performant | |
Kaj: 4-Jun-2012 | I think the FastCGI server is doable now. Instead of writing a complete one, you could probably also find a library written in C and bind to it | |
Janko: 14-Jun-2012 | Hi, I am looking into OAuth. I see (and thank you a lot for this!) that Chriss Ross Gill created OAuth client part in the twitter library: http://reb4.me/r/twitter.html, I am reading into it, but does he or anyone else know how much additional work would be needed to do the rebol OAuth server part ? | |
Endo: 20-Jun-2012 | we can add red-lang.org and cheyenne-server.org links to the external references. | |
Kaj: 18-Jul-2012 | Syllable Server (Linux): | |
Kaj: 24-Jul-2012 | You would have missed great batch and server programming :-) | |
DocKimbel: 7-Sep-2012 | Pekr: "I wonder what the strategy for Red is going to be in regards to GC ..." Currently Red is using a per-OS thread mark-sweep-compacting GC. I intend to make it concurrent (maybe parallel) and incremental when (and if) possible. The collector is not yet fully implemented. It is also possible to easily make it generational if we need it. When we'll have big Red apps, we'll profile them and determine the best tuning options for the GC. There's no silver bullet for memory management & GC, you need to adapt it to the language specific needs (and they may vary depending on the type of application: client-side, server-side, realtime, ...). | |
Kaj: 15-Sep-2012 | Doc, the new commits are in master, not in 0.3.0, so it can't effect the problem on Syllable Server | |
DocKimbel: 15-Sep-2012 | I will probably host a server that will provide packaged and selected libraries for Red (with builtin support in Red for getting them). For sharing code, my plan was to built some support for that right into the IDE. | |
Kaj: 15-Sep-2012 | hello is still out of memory on Syllable Server, at a slightly changed address | |
DocKimbel: 26-Sep-2012 | Without proper internal sandboxing, you certainly wouldn't want to give open access to anyone for running Red (and even worse Red/System) code on your server. | |
Kaj: 26-Sep-2012 | On TryREBOL it's no problem. I've been giving the world a gaping hole into our server for three years now. It was a test, and people tried to break it, but they never got in | |
Kaj: 26-Sep-2012 | CGI is based on the same principle. It's supposed to be a gateway from a Unix web server to a Unix file system, so you can secure it with operating system tools | |
GrahamC: 26-Sep-2012 | I think you'd run it on your own server ... | |
Kaj: 27-Sep-2012 | Or run your own server | |
Oldes: 28-Sep-2012 | or local server which generates static content for your public server hosting | |
Kaj: 16-Oct-2012 | The Apache licence was written for a complete web server, the GPL is used for complete kernels | |
DanielN: 29-Oct-2012 | WebKit ( I don't ckow if this can help... ) : GTK3 sample work fine for me after "/usr/lib$ sudo ln -s libwebkitgtk-1.0.so.0 libwebkit-1.0.so.2"... and sometimes : ./LazySundayAfternoon-Browser java version ("1.6.0_24" OpenJDK Runtime Environment (IcedTea6 1.11.5) (6b24-1.11.5-0ubuntu1~12.10.1) OpenJDK Server VM (b1uild 20.0-b12, mixed mode) *** Runtime Error 32: segmentation fault *** at: A66DB327h | |
DocKimbel: 21-Nov-2012 | Does this mean no GUI or just gui done in different way? See all the presentation slides for Red, a native GUI system will be provided. Also a web server with a new web framework will be part of Red stack, so modern style web apps will be supported. The GUI will probably be done in different way than R3 underneath, maybe a gob!-like datatype will be a good match, but such implementation detail is not known until implementation starts. Also, it is possible to extract R3 GUI code, wrap it in a shared library and plug it in Red (but I won't be the one doing that and maintaining such wrapper). | |
Kaj: 23-Nov-2012 | I will happily allow people to use ALIAS on my Try REBOL server, just like I'm allowing most other REBOL features, because the server operating system is the party that establishes safe boundaries | |
Kaj: 23-Nov-2012 | You are welcome to try our server to see if you can break it with ALIAS | |
DocKimbel: 30-Nov-2012 | :-) File and network I/O: should be done for Christmas (maybe alpha state for networking). I will provide then HTTP client/server support shortly after. Expect more network protocols to come in Q1/Q2 2013. 2D/sound will be part of the work on GUI, so will happen later in 2013. Mysql support through networking: I will very much like to have that, as Postgresql support too. Expect them before summer 2013 (or maybe before for MySQL, if I need it for a killer Red demo). ;-) | |
DocKimbel: 6-Dec-2012 | It would be really nice to have automatic builds+tests running on all major supported platforms for each new commit on main branch, and an automatic report generated online. That would really saves us time and avoid missing some obvious regressions. I know that Andreas started working on that. Andreas, do you already have a good plan to achieve it? Do you need help/resources? I can provide a Linux server for Linux/x86 targets. Having a Windows machine online + MacOS X would be great. Also a Linux/ARM (RPi for example) that is always up and reachable from the net could nicely complete the list. | |
AdrianS: 6-Dec-2012 | Doc, would this Linux server you could provide be able to run VMs with OS X and Windows in order to do multi-platform automated builds? I'm thinking we could set things up like Unity does (see the link below). JetBrains provides TeamCity (the continuous integration server) for free to OS projects with an active community. http://blogs.unity3d.com/2011/10/21/build-engineering-and-infrastructure-how-unity-does-it/ | |
Kaj: 3-Jan-2013 | Symbols are structs in the Red runtime. If you have an app server running that handles issue!s, it will accumulate memory over time that you can't collect. It will be indistinghuishable from a memory leak | |
Kaj: 3-Jan-2013 | If you think about what you'd have to do to secure a server from memory overload, it would be reasonable to limit acceptable words to a certain dictionary, but it wouldn't be reasonable to limit issue! to a small range | |
Henrik: 12-Jan-2013 | My own website is done with Cheyenne and the HTML dialect and is very easy for me to maintain: Makedoc files are rendered on the fly to each webpage. I can SSH to the server and edit files as I please and there is nearly zero HTML involved. Granted, there is no blog or comments section, but is another example of how a small toolchain (one Cheyenne executable and a few script files) can be used to build a good website. | |
DocKimbel: 15-Feb-2013 | Yeah, significant extra work to interface with it. But there's a shortcut, a API is also available through a builtin websocket server, so you can access the device from your browser directly. | |
Arnold: 3-Mar-2013 | What I see as a first possible step is have a kind of Red website hosting where websites can be hosted using Red (cheyenne server) and a database behind it (MySQL or SQLite) and a possibility for digital payments (such a module could be additionally payed and kept 'closed' source). This could obviously generate a modest cashflow. There would be needed books etc. | |
BrianH: 6-Mar-2013 | If they have the same name and server the same role, they are. | |
Group: Announce ... Announcements only - use Ann-reply to chat [web-public] | ||
Robert: 7-Oct-2012 | We just finished to setup a public Cofluence wiki test server, where TreeMapper models are rendered in HTML-5. Take a look here: http://s1.saphirion.com:8001/display/TREEM/Treemapper+Demonstration+on+Conluence That's a model that's done with the R3 based editor and published out of the editor directly into a wiki page. The next demo version will include the server information so you can test it on your own. | |
Kaj: 10-Oct-2012 | The locations of the repositories on the web are unchanged. I need the Red- prefixes there to make the repository names unique in the Fossil server | |
Group: Ann-Reply ... Reply to Announce group [web-public] | ||
Maxim: 15-Mar-2012 | strange, I just re-downloaded at it was empty... will check if its not something with browser caching... though it shouldn't if the file date changed on the server. | |
MagnussonC: 28-Nov-2012 | I searched for GCam on appshopper.com and got hits on the above mentioned app (in description they write GCam Swarm and GCam Server). I have alot of photo/image apps on my iPhone 4S. Good luck with your. As far as I know you can compress JPG to any degree. | |
Cyphre: 28-Feb-2013 | BTW Carl restarted the "R3 chat" server so you can just type: "chat" in the Android console and leave message here. | |
Henrik: 1-Mar-2013 | Only the server part is private at least. | |
DideC: 1-Mar-2013 | @NickA: About enhanced r3 chat, have a look to %wchat.r in the %OpenMe/ folder of this Altme world. Basically its %chat.r but it act as a proxy between the Devbase server and the browser. The goal is that the browser replace the CLI interface : not typing command in CLI but cliking link in the browser. Its just a start. There is some work to do to handle POST request and then allow posting. + enhancing HTML presentation. | |
Kaj: 30-Mar-2013 | I'm running on Syllable Server now, so the Linux version is correct | |
Andreas: 30-Mar-2013 | AFAIU, 0.4.x for Syllable Server sounds appropriate (it seems to be "just" a Linux distribution). | |
Kaj: 30-Mar-2013 | Yes, that would be a good reason. In my patches to port Python, for example, I solve it by looking if the /system/index/ directory exists, which would identify not only Syllable Desktop, but also Syllable Server | |
Group: Rebol School ... REBOL School [web-public] | ||
Pekr: 4-Mar-2012 | then you can do some handling. But - if your hanlding takes some time, of course during such a time, everything is blocked. If you would like to have something more sophisticated, you would have to spawn separate tasks, as e.g. Cheyenne app server does ... | |
caelum: 23-Mar-2012 | Question: I open a port using rebol2 on my server. It is started by cron once every 24 hours and is programmed to shut down after 1 hour. I need to check if the port is still open and listening or has completed and the program has closed. How do I test to see if the port is still open from another rebol2 program running on the same server? | |
JohnM: 20-May-2012 | Graham: Thanks. That makes sense out of something someone else told me. I thought the information was contradicting what you guys said earlier, it just means I misunderstood the order of things. The modiffer after the slash is closer to making a new command than it is an agrument than I had envisioned. The fact that random is part of both made me think they could be done together. Thank you for catching that I did not know that detail. Next part of myscrip enters something into a database. The server will have an mySQL database installed. It is possible that alternative could be used, but knowing for sure I have at no extra charge this options means I am starting with this option. So I found a MySQL Driver for REBOL from here: http://softinnov.org/rebol/mysql.shtml I am following the instructions that came with the download. Is there anything I should know. Maybe it is not the driver people use because there are better ones. Maybe the author kills kittens on the weekend and it is consider bad form to use it. Maybe it is harder than it looks. Basically, please just tell me if there is general info about it I should know that is not obvious. Thanks. Hey, someone else is asking questions? i thought this was all about me! :-) :-) | |
Sunanda: 31-Jul-2012 | Client-side validation is a nice courtesy touch for the user -- they get told of errors without a network delay. But the server-side code needs to also do full validation as there is no way of guaranteeing the data has been POSTed from your form....Or perhaps the user had Javascript turned off. | |
Sunanda: 31-Jul-2012 | If you want the server-sideCGI to send updated values to the client-side JS for that JS to update the web form.....You may need to look at AJAX -- a way for JS to do just that. | |
DocKimbel: 28-Aug-2012 | Any "c" character? I guess then that I was very lucky with Cheyenne: http://cheyenne-server.org/wiki/Main/Command :-) | |
Kaj: 23-Sep-2012 | It's also more secure because you run your own server, instead of handing your data to a provider. That's fundamental, as long as you keep the data safe on all AltME clients. Which is hard, because it's not encrypted on disk | |
DocKimbel: 10-Oct-2012 | After removing all unnecessary UniServe plugins, this sequence works for me: uniserve-path: %//dev/cheyenne-server/uniserve/ do uniserve-path/uni-engine.r uniserve/boot | |
Sujoy: 10-Oct-2012 | removed the scheduler/wait line...now: uniserve-path: %./ == %./ >> do %uni-engine.r Script: "UniServe kernel" (17-Jan-2010) Script: "Encap virtual filesystem" (21-Sep-2009) == true >> uniserve/boot booya ** Script Error: Invalid path value: server-ports ** Where: reform ** Near: mold any [uniserve/shared/server-ports port-id] >> | |
DocKimbel: 10-Oct-2012 | From that, it seems to work until the job event is raised, then the server crashes (not sure if it's your code, scheduler or Uniserve that causes that). | |
Sujoy: 10-Oct-2012 | this is what i get with the latest from googlecode: uniserve-path: %./ == %./ >> do %uni-engine.r Script: "UniServe kernel" (17-Jan-2010) Script: "Encap virtual filesystem" (21-Sep-2009) == true >> uniserve/boot booya 10/10-18:37:48.883-## Error in [uniserve] : Cannot open server reminder on port 9000 ! 10/10-18:37:48.884-## Error in [uniserve] : Cannot open server task-master on port 9799 ! == none >> | |
DocKimbel: 10-Oct-2012 | Uniserve task-master is mainly meant for server-side parallel request processing. For your need, you should use an async HTTP client rather, which would be a much simpler solution. | |
Sujoy: 10-Oct-2012 | just to persist with using uniserve...i think something i may be getting there uniserve-path: %./ == %./ >> do %uni-engine.r Script: "UniServe kernel" (17-Jan-2010) Script: "Encap virtual filesystem" (21-Sep-2009) == true >> uniserve/boot booya 127.0.0.1 127.0.0.1 == none >> i commented out the lines from on-started: on-started: has [file][ worker-args: reform [ "-worker" mold any [in uniserve/shared 'server-ports port-id] ;TBD: fix shared object issues ] if not encap? [ append worker-args reform [" -up" mold uniserve-path] if value? 'modules-path [ append worker-args reform [" -mp" mold modules-path] ] if all [ uniserve/shared ;file: uniserve/shared/conf-file ][ ;append worker-args reform [" -cf" mold file] ] ] if integer? shared/pool-start [loop shared/pool-start [fork]] ] ...since conf-file is cheyenne specific i think maybe the scheduler is killing UniServe - it exits while returning none... | |
Group: Databases ... group to discuss various database issues and drivers [web-public] | ||
Endo: 15-Mar-2012 | yes, ODBC does it. But I think it doesn't use INFORMATION_SCHEMA, the ODBC driver itself gets those information from db server. | |
Endo: 16-Mar-2012 | Or better put it only for unsupported db server like Oracle. | |
BrianH: 17-Mar-2012 | OLEDB was never as fast as ODBC, but for maybe one version of SQL Server (2000, I think) it was promoted instead of ODBC. For every version before and since it has been better to use ODBC drivers. Starting with SQL 2008 they don't even make OLEDB drivers for SQL Server anymore. | |
BrianH: 17-Mar-2012 | R2 chokes on every ODBC datatype added to SQL Server since 2000, possibly including 2000. | |
Endo: 17-Mar-2012 | OLEDB vs. ODBC; from Microsoft: "You are strongly encouraged to use one of the native OLE DB Providers instead of the Microsoft Open Database Connectivity (ODBC) Provider. Native OLE DB Providers provide better application stability and performance." at least for it was for SQL Server. But as you said OLEDB is now obsolete.. | |
GrahamC: 17-Mar-2012 | what is exactly defiicient? I never used sql server | |
BrianH: 17-Mar-2012 | A lot of the OpenDBX references to SQL Server don't seem to take SQL Server 2008 into account, so it's at least 3 versions behind now. Comparable to R2 I guess. | |
BrianH: 18-Mar-2012 | Yup. You should see what they have in store for SQL Server 2012. It can be run on a fully command line OS, managed remotely entirely through PowerShell scripting. And you can do PowerShell scripting of MS servers from Linux clients too, reportedly. | |
Endo: 21-Mar-2012 | I used 'columns and 'tables with R2 on SQL Server, it does work well. | |
BrianH: 21-Mar-2012 | Back in 2001 I created an intranet site for a local celebrity by making the database tables, then having R2 use the 'columns command to generate column lists that were used to autogenerate the server-side pages for the intranet. All it took was one function call per table to generate the whole site. Restyling the site just meant editing the HTML template in the function (this was before CSS was practical). | |
Endo: 26-Apr-2012 | You mysql server maybe configured to accept connections only from 127.0.0.1? | |
Endo: 29-Apr-2012 | I still think that it is because your mysql server does not accept connections except localhost. Did you try to connect your database using mysql command-line tools? or MySQL Workbench from a remote PC? | |
Endo: 30-Apr-2012 | you can connect from local and configure your server using SQL commands. did you try TELNET to your server's 3306 port? | |
Endo: 17-May-2012 | such as, R2 doesn't support new SQL Server datatypes. You should CAST & CONVERT your values in your SQL to be able to get those values into R2 app. | |
BrianH: 18-May-2012 | I don't know about the datatype support when connecting to Access 2007 databases; what Endo said was related to SQL Server. However, I have Access 2010 here and 2007 at home so I can run some tests later today if you like. | |
BrianH: 18-May-2012 | Weirdly enough, the datatypes that R2 doesn't support in newer SQL Server versions are the ones that were added to make SQL Server *more* standard. It supports the old, non-standard ones just fine. | |
Pekr: 21-Jul-2012 | After some time, I gave a try to the Sqlite DB. It kind of improved in some areas, even locking, so it is even more useable in concurrent environment. However - it still uses per file lock, and although it uses just milliseconds to lock the file, I have a problem with one aproach I am trying to take, and hence maybe the Sqlite is not right DB for my purpose, or my aproach is not correct. The reason why I wanted to use sqlite DB is, that it is easily movable to other target, and its performance is fine for even semi heavy solutions. I don't want to be dependant upon the some kind of "server", which stores its files who knows where, and to which I don't have proper access in cgi environment, unless I am a DB admin or server admin ... | |
Endo: 28-Aug-2012 | It's interesting when I try to connect using a port scheme I cannot get error msg: >> con: open [scheme: 'odbc target: "..."] ;try with wrong password for example ** Script Error: ODBC error: >> con: open odbc://sa:[qwe1234-:-mydsn] ** Script Error: ODBC error: [Microsoft][SQL Server Native Client 10.0][SQL Server]Login failed for user 'sa'. <<< now I got error msg. Any idea how to get "real" error message? | |
BrianH: 29-Aug-2012 | For instance, this is a common connection I use at work (server name changed): conn: [scheme: 'odbc target: "driver=SQL Server Native Client 10.0;server=SERVER1;database=db1;Trusted_Connection=Yes;"] | |
Janko: 9-Sep-2012 | Gregg: what did you say you did to make it work? what did you move to 4.1 the mysql server or something else? | |
Arnold: 9-Nov-2012 | learning comes with a lot of try and err even for a 'simple' language as REBOL Probably yes and have your apache server set up right for .r files | |
afsanehsamim: 9-Nov-2012 | you're right,i configured my apache server for cgi ... i think i should configure again | |
Pekr: 12-Nov-2012 | Ladislav - thank you. It is apparent, that what afsanehsamim is missing is the basic knowledge of how webserver stuff works between the client and the server. Examples at rebol.com are pretty straightforward. The only chance is to really create a simple example for him ... | |
Pekr: 12-Nov-2012 | Create 2 files. Call the first one e.g. cgi-test.html, and upload it to your server. The only thing you have to change is the link to your .cgi script in there: <HTML> <TITLE>Simple Web Form</TITLE> <BODY> <b>Simple Web Form</b><p> <FORM ACTION="http://www.xidys.com/cgi-bin/cgi-test.cgi"> <INPUT TYPE="TEXT" NAME="Field" SIZE="25"><BR> <INPUT TYPE="SUBMIT" NAME="Submit" VALUE="Submit"> </FORM> </BODY> </HTML> Create a second file, called cgi-test.cgi (it has to align to how you name it in the above source file). Upload it to your cgi working directory. Remember to change the first line to contain the path, where your REBOL executable is placed: #!/usr/local/bin/rebcmd -sqc REBOL [] print join "Content-type: text/plain" newline start: now/time/precise submitted: decode-cgi read-cgi values: construct submitted prin "Submitted: " print mold submitted prin "values: " print mold values prin "values/field: " print mold values/field print now/time/precise - start print newline Now go to your URL, and try to submit some values. You can test it on my site at: http://www.xidys.com/cgi-test.html | |
Pekr: 12-Nov-2012 | but afsa, honestly - it does not even belong to the database group, but to Rebol School group - you seem to miss the basic understanding, of how CGI works on the server. Your problem is not in getting the value into DB, but handling CGI stuff in general. In above example, what you would put into your DB would be values/field ... | |
Group: !Syllable ... Syllable free operating system family [web-public] | ||
Kaj: 8-Apr-2012 | They can be started from the command line. Although this is Syllable Desktop, for details it may be helpful to consult the Syllable Server manual, towards the end: | |
Kaj: 8-Apr-2012 | http://web.syllable.org/Server/README-SyllableServer.txt | |
Kaj: 20-Apr-2012 | I agree. It's tough to port Syllable Desktop to a different CPU architecture, but I'm considering porting Syllable Server | |
Kaj: 1-Aug-2012 | I'm now logged in on Syllable Server, with X11 built on top of it | |
Kaj: 1-Aug-2012 | We've done that for two years now, but that was on our in-house Syllable Workstation, Syllable Server with GoboLinux transplanted on top of it. Now I'm running on pure Syllable Server, with X built from source | |
Kaj: 21-Sep-2012 | Actually, I've had VirtualBox images of Desktop 0.6.7 and Server 0.4 for several months, but the extra work of publishing them has prevented me from doing that so far (you can blame Red for that ;-) | |
AdrianS: 21-Sep-2012 | Kaj, I'm curious what the plans are wrt Syllable (either desktop or server) and Raspberry PI. I see that more and more OSs are able to run on it now - just read about webOS, for example. | |
Kaj: 19-Dec-2012 | R3 has been included in Syllable Desktop for a year and a half. Syllable Server ships with R2 and a collection of REBOL frameworks | |
Group: Web ... Anything related to the WWW [web-public] | ||
Maxim: 16-Apr-2012 | I have the above working on a server, and browsers I've tested do not seem to have any problem with the URL, but I'm wondering more at large, if there are issues with it, in general. It will be used from within applications (java, .net, php & rebol) much more than from users manually using it within a browser bar. | |
Janko: 14-Jun-2012 | Hi, I am looking into OAuth. I see (and thank you a lot for this!) that Chriss Ross Gill created OAuth client part in the twitter library: http://reb4.me/r/twitter.html, I am reading into it, but does he or anyone else know how much additional work would be needed to do the rebol OAuth server part ? | |
Gerard: 17-Aug-2012 | It seems to me that under Red, one marvelous tool which could be created would be similar this new one - which I just discovered ... at least with my not too long vision - based on the Cheyenne HTTP server, it seems it could be realized using a similar approach, to begin with ... http://www.wakanda.org/overview- Also available on Github for those interested to look at the code (may be Topaz friends - sinc it is base entirely on Javascript). | |
Kaj: 4-Oct-2012 | You may want to try Fossil. It's much easier to run your own server |
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