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I'll finish my new CMS first, or I should say publishing system together 
with the scripts I put on rebol.org lately. Then I will be able to 
publish code and story easier within my pages. I don't want the massive 
make-doc-pro and makedoc2 isn't my flavor. The ancient version from 
Chris Ross-Gill looks good but has some choices I dislike. So I am 
struggling with it too make it easy to use and with it I want to 
be able to generate a pdf version using Gabriele's pdf-maker script.

Doc-strings are now allowed in Red/System function spec:

https://github.com/dockimbel/Red/commit/b7f46eafe75b43f43d7cb282d4415e89c2858a5e


So, who's going to write a short and nice REBOL script now to extract 
them (extracting also the context where they are defined)? :-) Ideally, 
those info should be collected into a simple nested block structure 
that can be easily processed for generating formatted text output, 
HTML, PDF (using pdf-maker lib), ... (take make-doc.r script as example 
of parser/emitter separation, and plugable emitters).

didn't Gabriele do some work on this with pdf-maker ?

That's great Geomol.
Yes the pdf-maker docs are a good example.
I would stick with gabriele's color for a start.

if we had the possibility of using bitmaps in postscript or pdf-maker, 
then you could solve it in rebol

pdf-maker doesn't support pdf forms yet.

so, VID => pdf using pdf-maker?

you could do that if pdf-maker supported bitmaps properly

Carl wants such a list for   form, mold, to string!,  format (but 
that's R3), add the serial form, score some points and help the beginners 
in one grand pdf-maker datatype file.  Not much to ask, is it John? 
 :)

I think it'll be a very useful and worthy entry for DocBase, but 
it would also be nice to use Gabriele's PDF-MAKER or other page layout 
for a nice reference sheet printout.

So...get RT to open DocBase and I'll start right now, oh yeah and 
R3 beta for access to format  :)  Kidding... I was going to be playing 
with PDF-MAKER today, to see if I can add print functionality to 
the Desktop Librarian...maybe I'll use this as a good way learn the 
dialect.  So unless someone else steps up...I'll take a kick at it, 
for R2 datatypes anyway.

I was just kidding...I'm about half way through using your pdf-maker 
(v2) to document the R2 datatypes regarding  to string! form mold. 
 Blog http://www.rebol.net/r3blogs/0092.htmlbut like I everything 
I do now-a-days, it comes pre-expired  :)

To all...by the way, check out Gabriele's pdf-maker.r in rebol.org 
(the docs have a pointer to the new in-progress work for pdfm2). 
 Maybe we'll get printing from REBOL sooner than later.  :)

My opinion; makedoc2.r is the preferred RT markup engine.  I like 
to promote Gabriele's PDF-Maker as well.  For DocBase, you need to 
get used to wikitext.  Take a look at http://www.rebol.org/cgi-bin/cgiwrap/rebol/documentation.r?script=makedoc2.r
for a fairly complete view of the various tools at our disposal. 
 Some are awesome domain enhancing tools such as John's nicomdoc 
with the math extensions.

Has anyone looked at the online PDF proofing market? And adapted/utilised 
 pdf-maker in that way?

I'm getting the following message using pdf-maker:


** Script Error: pick expected index argument of type: number logic 
pair
** Where: emit-space
** Near: if k: select/case pick kern

** Press enter to quit...** Script Error: pick expected index argument 
of type: number logic pair
** Where: emit-space
** Near: if k: select/case pick kern
** Press enter to quit...

Can anyone tell me what I am doing wrong?

Gabriele, I'll look foreward to the update.  Actually, I use pdf-maker 
all the time.  This is the only time I have experienced a problem.

Henrik, pdf-maker is great. I have one program that creates mailmerge 
letters from data in an object database.  It creates a pdf file, 
allowing me to check each letter before printing it.  I can also 
pick out just one letter in the file to print.  Or, if the printer 
jams, it is easy to begin anew printing just the remaining letters. 
And, of course, I can use the program on any operating system.  Nice.

I think there is great potential to unifying all the tools that are 
forming now: pdf-maker, AGG, SVG input and makedoc2. Allow these 
things to talk to eachother! imagine making a drawing in AGG or import 
an SVG into a DRAW and then use the very same block with layout-pdf. 
Future versions of makedoc could print pdfs as well as HTML through 
pdf-maker. by letting these tools use eachother, the combination 
could be a very fast and powerful document creation system.

Would it be possible to use PDF-maker to extract just a pure text 
from PDF files?

Just wondering if it's possible to combine an existing pdf with the 
pdf-maker.  What I need to do is draw over an existing pdf....

Gabriele, just tried out pdf-maker for the first time yesterday. 
Very nice and quite useful.

Gabriele, will you have a pdf-maker 2 alpha ?

btw, I just fixed a bug with the View 1.3 version of the pdf-maker 
and images.

Why I am getting this error?
>> do %pdf-maker.r
Script: "PDF Maker" (2-Jun-2006)
>> layout-pdf [[textbox ["This is some text."]]]
** Script Error: Cannot use add on none! value
** Where: make-pages
** Near: pid: (2 * length? pages) + i
foreach
>>

REBOL/View 1.3.50.3.1 14-Oct-2005 Core 2.7.0
Copyright 2000-2005 REBOL Technologies.  All rights reserved.
REBOL is a trademark of REBOL Technologies. WWW.REBOL.COM
>> change-dir winpath-to-file "C:\rebol\scripts\pdf_maker"
== %/C/rebol/scripts/pdf_maker/
>> do %pdf-maker.r
>> myLayPdf: layout-pdf [[textbox ["This is some text."]]]
** Script Error: Cannot use add on none! value
** Where: make-pages
** Near: pid: (2 * length? pages) + i
foreach
>>

There was a reason - already forgot it.

The only thing in user.r was the function above (except set-net) 
- and I removed it ;-)
But:
REBOL/View 1.3.2.3.1 5-Dec-2005 Core 2.6.3
Copyright 2000-2005 REBOL Technologies.  All rights reserved.
REBOL is a trademark of REBOL Technologies. WWW.REBOL.COM
>> change-dir to-rebol-file "C:\rebol\scripts\pdf_maker"
== %/C/rebol/scripts/pdf_maker/
>> do %pdf-maker.r
>> myLayPdf: layout-pdf [[textbox ["This is some text."]]]
** Script Error: Cannot use add on none! value
** Where: make-pages
** Near: pid: (2 * length? pages) + i


Could it be connected with that I am starting rebol with view.exe 
-i ?

>> do %pdf-maker.r
Script: "PDF Maker" (11-Aug-2005)
>> myLayPdf: layout-pdf [[textbox ["This is some text."]]]
== #{
255044462D312E330A342030206F626A0A3C3C202F54797065202F466F6E7420
2F53756274797065202F5479706531202F42617365466F6E74202F48656C...
>>

perhaps your version of pdf-maker.r is corrupted?

Not sure .. I think I would want to see it at the pdf-maker level

pdf-maker does layers?

pdf-maker updated (docs almost finished)

Does REBOL have to support unicode before PDF-Maker can support unicode?

Somehow I lost the link to the PDF-Maker test site. Would someone 
please post it.

For whatever it is worth, Gabriele, I use PDF-Maker regularly. It 
is core to some of my most important scripts. So, I very much appreciate 
your work.

Gabriele, I have patched pdf-maker.r  1.27.1  of  3-Aug-2006  to 
make the dialect a little easier with images.
Starting at line 1051, the changed lines are commented:

I was thnking of having pdf-maker as an output format for bubble-doc.

I've just downloaded pdf-maker.r and I'd really appreciate some help 
to get going quickly. I've rotated a page +90 to get into landscape, 
but the texbox still  renders the text in the same way as portrait. 
Do I have to rotate each textbox too?


I also downloaded pdf-tables.r too. Does a  table handle a page break 
itself?


Talking of page breaks, in a long table which spans many pages, I'd 
like to render the column headings on each new page. Is there a variable 
I can track or an event I can listen for that lets me know that the 
text is about to flow to the next page.

Thanks a lot.

really? of pdf-maker?

ah, 1.5.0 of pdf-tables. you should have 1.24.0 of pdf-maker

pdf-maker: 1.27.1 3-Aug-2006

Busy converting HTML template reports into PDF using PDF-Maker. Getting 
the hang of it now.  The function which calculates the textbox height 
is providing most of the work. I'm calculating page space as text 
boxes are generated. As I think in point size, I've transposed mm2pt 
to give me a pt2mm function.

Can PDF-Maker be used to create PDF-Forms that can be filled out 
by users with Acrobat Reader?

the easiest way would be to change the pdf-maker code to actually 
produce what you need.

I found an example of PDF from Haru library which uses all ISO8859 
encoding 1 - 20 ... it is version PDF-1.3 , it does use the /Differences 
for each encoding, it also defines widths for them, I intend to look 
at it and somehow transfer it to pdf-maker .. but I am not sure how 
successfull I will be as pdf-maker seems quite complex beast

It's not possible to use utf8 encoding with pdf-maker ?

I wish to have more time to play a little bit with the pdf-maker

it's very nice, but because of 1 letter that I can't generate in 
it Ch .. you have it too probably .. I need to find another solution 
.. and I have invoice nicely made in pdf-maker already

Gab, is there going to be any user documentation for pdf-maker 2?

Carl should use pdf-maker to generate PDFs of the online docs

Is qtask using pdf-maker?

I have this ...

if not value? 'layout-pdf [ *do %pdf-maker.r ]

pdfs? hmm, that did not come to my mind - good idea .... is that 
difficult to do with pdf-maker?

where is the latest pdf-maker?

The final output would be a printed version of the collection of 
drills that were selected, likely via PDF-maker , or just HTML.

Gabriele is author of pdf-maker, yes.

Will try it out, thanks Doc!
As you said, I'll also try to use pdf-maker.r ...

Umm, it's not directly R3 related, but I think Gabriele's PDF-Maker.r 
is a fairly large step toward cross-platform printing.  It's three 
flavour right now, pdf-maker.r in rebol.org, pdf-maker version 2 
on Gabriele's site (the target for future work and with some wicked 
powerful REBOL directed typesetting) and inside the rebol.org qml-ed 
package with the ease of qml input, pumping out pdf.


V2 at http://www.colellachiara.com/soft/PDFM2/is where x-platform 
printing may come from, methinks.

I was thinking about adding also a few other import filters for makedoc, 
pdf-maker dialect and View layouts, so something like this should 
be possible : write printer:// layout [...]

It was suggested in the PDF-Maker group that it could be possible 
to convert a DRAW block to postscript. I think that would be a good 
approach.

I've only done bar code printing using bar code fonts .. not directly 
in pdf-maker.

I take it that was much harder to do in pdf-maker.r ??

actually only the text was harder because in PS you point to a position 
and start writing, where you in PDF-maker need to define a text box 
before writing

Gabriele, do you use the kerning for all text placement in pdf-maker?

Graham: yes, and data is parsed from the Adobe Font Metrics file 
and included in pdf-maker.r for the 14 standard postscript fonts.

I would have continued to use pdf-maker except there's no easy way 
to flow text like this.

is a page I created in pdf-maker a few years ago.

just a quick question .. was it hard/easy to do images in pdf-maker 
?

I suspect that by the time I finish it, Gabriele will have come out 
with a pdf-maker which will render mine obsolete!

:-) Do you do it using font metrics in pdf-maker, or is there another 
trick?

Thanks but this isn't really such a great piece of code (Windows 
API is doing the real job), even if it fills a gap in REBOL (at least 
for Windows). Btw, in my company, we're using Gab's pdf-maker for 
years now to generate and print all our documents. I made this library 
only because I needed a direct printing solution for a customer and 
I must admit it was a fun work to do.