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http://syllable.cvs.sourceforge.net/viewvc/syllable/syllable/system/apps/utils/Builder/packages/Red--current/

http://syllable.cvs.sourceforge.net/viewvc/syllable/syllable/system/apps/utils/Builder/packages/Red--current/

I'm trying to extend the build script for other platforms, but my 
Ubuntu 11.04 image somehow got stuck with old source repository versions 
and no way to install/update any packages...So I now need to install 
a 12.04 package in order to check the requirement for the build script 
and test it. I'm baffled that the support for a 2 years old Ubuntu 
version is so bad...

http://syllable.cvs.sourceforge.net/viewvc/syllable/syllable/system/apps/utils/Builder/packages/ZeroMQ-Binding--current/

If you want to compile PicoGL, on Syllable Server or some other Linux 
system, you can use the Syllable build system. Here's the build recipe:


http://syllable.cvs.sourceforge.net/viewvc/syllable/syllable/system/apps/utils/Builder/packages/PicoGL/

http://syllable.cvs.sourceforge.net/viewvc/syllable/syllable/system/apps/utils/Builder/packages/REBOL-Core--current/

http://syllable.cvs.sourceforge.net/viewvc/syllable/syllable/system/apps/utils/Builder/packages/Syllable/REBOL-Core--current/

However if you have trouble with more "classic" distro, let me know, 
so I'll correct the installer packages. See also this: 
http://rebol2.blogspot.it/2012/09/linux-packages.html

It's a pretty integrated stack, but modularised into more than ten 
packages. The dependencies are pretty much the same as the basic 
dependencies for other toolkits such as GTK, and most of them are 
optional. Stuff such as FreeType and FontConfig:

http://syllable.cvs.sourceforge.net/viewvc/syllable/syllable/system/apps/utils/Builder/packages/Red--current/

http://syllable.cvs.sourceforge.net/viewvc/syllable/syllable/system/apps/utils/Builder/packages/Syllable/Red--current/

http://syllable.cvs.sourceforge.net/viewvc/syllable/syllable/system/apps/utils/Builder/packages/REBOL-Core--current/

http://syllable.cvs.sourceforge.net/viewvc/syllable/syllable/system/apps/utils/Builder/packages/Syllable/REBOL-Core--current/

except I want more of the standard forum features found in packages 
like phpbb

any knoen libs, packages or compile options  which must be set for 
it to work?

Some observations for Reichart on making ALTME more viral.

1.  Host all worlds for free but unsecured.
2.  Tier packages
3.  Enable one click access from external sites to ALTME worlds
4.  Ads Tier


1)  Regarding #1 - I think if you host all ALTME worlds for free 
that people will sign up quickly.  What would drive someone to fork 
over the cash is going to be traffic.  I can bet that once someone 
starts getting traffic to their world and generating content they 
are going to want to keep it.  ALTME owns the content of the worlds 
until someone secures it with payment for the hosting account.  (Major 
incentive that rewards growth).


2) Make product tiers that  target hosting accounts towards gaining 
income and visibility for their hosted safeworlds.


3) Think of going to a website and it says something like JOIN the 
DISCUSSION and then says click here and has a small ALTME logo that 
launches you into ALTME and then takes you directly to the particular 
safeworld.  and if someone doesn't it have it - it takes you to ALTME 
download link.  Almost all other messaging mediums have this capability.


4) This is an excellent idea to compliment number 2.  One tier that 
can be offers for additional costs would allow ADVERTISEMENTS within 
the safeworld framework.  For example, consider many online forums 
generate revunue from Google Adsense by placement of ads in their 
content.  ALTME could offer this type of capability as well.  This 
is really an area where I think that REBOL can get great exposure. 
 If advertisements are required to be put forward in REBOL code this 
means that Google would have to have REBOL programmers develop delivery 
content to interface with ALTME.  I have no doubt in my mind that 
they would do it.  ALTME can boast that it has www.rebol.com as a 
marketing partner and REBOL.com according to marketleap.com is a 
"contender" class website showing that ALTME can get the word out 
if it really wants to.

Sunanda showed how I can use existing rebol.org technology (packages) 
to store and synchronize the comlib project files. But I am probably 
going to get a domain with Yeksoon.

Dear Library Team,


   I've only got a single script in the library, but I like it, and 
   I'd like it to live through the R3 update.

Are there any plans for adding explicit rebol versioning to scripts 
that want to stand the test of time?


   Is having multiple binaries on target REBOL platforms a no-no?  Meaning, 
   could the released binary packages for REBOL 3.0 include REBOL 1.3 
   (2.7) executables so scripts don't age out as fast as they did when 
   going from 1.2 to 1.3?  A little bit of configuring on the host OS 
   to start the correct REBOL by extension, shebang, or resource fork 
   on MacOS?  Can DO add a secret launch of older/other binary if a 
   Needs: is specified?

Curious.

You can upload *packages* -- assemblies of any type of file you like.
Some examples here:

http://www.rebol.org/cgi-bin/cgiwrap/rebol/search.r?filter=type-package

BurningShadow just changed the live CD from 7-Zip to RAR for the 
size, but that's up to him. The main Syllable project recently changed 
application packages from GZip to Zip. The compression is worse, 
but this allows us to include extended file attributes, so that's 
a completely different consideration

If they wanted to support Debian, they would have provided a .deb 
- .tar.gz packages always need a little hacking. They do document 
their restrictions on their web site.

http://cvs.sourceforge.net/viewcvs.py/syllable/syllable/system/apps/utils/Builder/packages/orca-current/

This release also marks the first time that Orca is actually used 
in the system, after already being included in the previous release. 
I rewrote pkgmanager in it, a tool used to register and unregister 
binary packages by managing a pool of symbolic links

In fact, I use my Syllable build system on Linux to build the ORCA 
and GrUB packages for Linux

Not in the base distribution, but you only have to install the Developer's 
Delight package, and maybe a few other individual packages depending 
on what you want to compile

Normally we ship those in middleware collections of packages, but 
that's a size consideration

Well, you questioned our downloading infrastructure. 7-Zip compression 
is a part of that. Without it, our system packages are about 50% 
bigger. When we get hit by a large publication, that will make a 
serious difference in our costs

This release focuses on making the system usable for running a number 
of standard servers, and several innovative REBOL servers.


The development files of the system, program headers, static libraries 
and development documentation, were moved to a separate area in /system/development/ 
and are now shipped in a separate package. If you want to compile 
software on Syllable Server, you need to install and register this 
package. The development files need to match the system: you can't 
use a package of any other Syllable version. (You will also need 
to install the Developer's Delight package collection and possibly 
other packages.)


User directories were moved from /home/ to /users/. Resource packages 
are in the process of moving from /usr/ to /resources/. /resources/ 
is currently a symbolic link to /usr/ so that resource packages will 
work from both places during the migration.


Many fixes were made, including more fixes for the CUPS print server 
and GhostScript. Creation of extra user accounts is possible now.


Many packages were updated, including the Linux kernel, IPTables, 
the GCC libraries, OpenSSH, SDL and QEmu. DirectFB was not upgraded 
due to incompatibility with Links2.


CDRTools were included for burning CDs, and the NetCat networking 
tool and the Transmission BitTorrent client were added.


In addition to the Syllable-specific early initialisation scripts 
(in the early-init subdirectory of packages), the late initialisation 
scripts (in the init subdirectory of packages) are now also executed. 
Several more initialisation scripts from Linux From Scratch were 
also added. Some servers can be started with the LFS scripts, others 
with the Syllable scripts (this will be unified in later releases).


The OpenSSH server was configured and now runs by default. At the 
first system start, security keys are generated that identify the 
server.


A collection of well-known root certificates from Certification Authorities 
was added to allow OpenSSL-based programs (such as OpenSSH) to establish 
the identity of destination points for network connections.


A MIME-types database was added in /etc/mime.types that is used by 
many programs, such as web servers, to identify the MIME types of 
files based on their file name extensions.

Several REBOL software stacks were added:

- The REBOL/Services Service Oriented Architecture.

- The UniServe network server framework.
- The Cheyenne Apache-class web server.
- A CAPTCHA library.
- A MySQL network protocol.

- The QuarterMaster web programming framework, based on a Model-View-Controller 
architecture. By default, it's configured to run on Cheyenne.


- The TINY library for parsing text, abstracting data access and 
building templates of generic text formats (including HTML). This 
library is an original creation and targets both ORCA and REBOL.


Configurations, including initialisation scripts, were added for 
the OpenSSH remote access server, the CUPS print server, the BIND 
domain name server, the Apache web server, the RSync file synchronisation 
server, the SaMBa Windows-compatible file server, the INetUtils FTP 
server and the VSFTP FTP server. Several of these are not included 
in the system, but need to be installed separately (the system is 
prepared for them). The sshd, cupsd and initd servers are started 
by default.


S3Cmd/S3Sync was included, a tool for accessing the Amazon Simple 
Storage Service (S3) and synchronising files with it.


As a demo, the Genode operating system framework, its Nitpicker windowing 
server (built on SDL) and its demonstration programs were included.

Syllable Server can basically run anything Linux can run, but for 
many things there are no binary packages yet

Many included software packages have been upgraded, including REBOL/Core 
(2.7.7), Cheyenne/UniServe (current development version with WebSockets) 
and QuarterMaster

Yes, BerkeleyDB was one of the oldest and most popular open source 
databases before Oracle acquired it. Many open source packages require 
it. We would rather have kept it out of the base system, but one 
such package is in the Syllable Server base system; I believe IPRoute

Although both Desktop and Server are designed as general-purpose 
systems, we're obviously about thirty thousand software packages 
behind on the likes of Debian. On Server, because it's a Linux, we 
can install many of those packages from third-party package managers, 
but then we can't guarantee their stability because they're not integrated 
with Syllable

Are there any open source packages you need besides SQLite?

As I told before, I'm installing X and other stuff from GoboLInux 
packages, and ROX from ZeroInstall packages. The packages that I 
include in the distro are configured and somewhat tested. Not all 
functionality works, but they're fairly alright

Only when you try to install more software you're on your own, because 
there are often more missing configurations, or conflicts between 
binary packages

I've been working towards getting Pacman packages working, from ArchLinux, 
to see if that works better for the moment being. That's the next 
development goal

Have you ever evaluated TinyCore Linux? It's from the former developer 
of DSL (Damn Small Linux). On a modest Atom, it boots to a minimal 
desktop in about 7 seconds. Of course, it has almost nothing by default. 
The first thing you have to do is download packages of stuff you 
need.

We also have source packages of stable releases, though

http://syllable.cvs.sourceforge.net/viewvc/syllable/syllable/system/apps/utils/Builder/packages/Fossil--current/

It is missing important apps like CVS and SSH for instance, and I'm 
not a typical Linux user who can spend hours to find and download 
the GNU sources for an app, configure the build, and compile it.

 <--- don't know how Mandrake handles packages other than it's RPM, 
 but Debian handles these things in seconds with a single CLI command, 
 and it surely isn't necessary to hunt down sources manually. :-)

I always regarded Debian as a bit harder to start with but many times 
easier to maintain once it runs.

I think there would be plenty of material for creating help docs 
about rebol driven daemons and services for either windows or linux 
servers, right? I'm going to run into this problem very soon and 
it would be nice to allow conform installation of rebol daemons this 
way. Has anyone worked on providing debian packages of rebol?

so if I say to you that ubuntu is very good then it's vry good 

For example my mom was tired to get lot of problems with her windows 
in installed 2 month ago ubuntu  I use synapse to get some  missing 
packages and now all works well she is very happy with her pc ... 
My mom is 62 years old and dislike coputing but ubuntu have her preference 
...

it's about the same for ubuntu, except they usually use the latest 
packages. I had gnome 2.12 the day before it came out officially.

http://www.debian.org/distrib/packages, at the bottom you can enter 
a filename and usually get its package. most libs have compat-somethings. 
i guess the packages on ubuntu are similar, and that they have a 
similar page. (my link shows in german here, i guess thats some smartness. 
you should see something in your language).

maybe ubuntu does something a bit different? dont know. i am only 
expert in installign packages..

I have libxaw6, libxaw7 and libxaw8 installed, which are standard 
Ubuntu packages. libxaw7 is the standard XFree86 library, libxaw6 
is the older X11 library, and libxaw8 is a new version of libxaw7

Carl, you can download a minimal installation CD for Debian that 
will install extra packages over the Internet:

But, it became clear to me that the package database does not appear 
specific enough to be able to generate a solid set of packages in 
that manner.

I fully agree Carl.. Long life the "spaggeti Open Source Community" 
....Windows rules ;-) on some parts...it realy does!.... (and Im 
a fanatic Unix/Linux user..)..I was struggling for 2 days with my 
DVD drives for a simple 1-on-1 copy (none data) ..and none of the 
Linux packages where able to correclty copy DVD's of  my format.. 
Jumping back to windows XP (i though ..iekss) ..seeking some obscure 
sites and found a hell of a tool that copy's everything.."dvd decrypter" 
(EOL btw but free..) And that something linux community did not build 
yet...Awfull.. Well im off taking care of some windows backups ;-) 
It still stays windows ;-)

Robert, do you have development packages installed: GCC and such? 
It's way easier to compile from source in your situation

Gabriele, I just noticed Sabayon, based on Gentoo, but initial install 
is pre-compiled, and they provide a pool of pre-compiled packages.

mepis: never tried it; isn't it debian based? i think, that it's 
better to go with the most popular one in this case (ie. ubuntu/kubuntu/xubuntu). 
you find ready packages for stuff (eg skype). :)

Anton, all the distros based on Debian package pools have a big problem 
in that, when you start adding the Debian repositories and installing 
software from them, you run a high risk of pulling in dependencies 
that will destroy system packages that were modified from Debian

Ubuntu doesn't have this problem because they build everything themselves, 
not using Debian binary packages. For the distros that are now based 
on Ubuntu repositories the problem has been lightened, because they 
don't have to modify as much in Ubuntu as they had to in Debian, 
but the fundamental problem is still there

When you install suse from cds .. and you need to install other packages, 
it may ask you for the installation cds.  is there a way around this? 
 mount the cds as iso images?

Use Debian  :)  My Dev system has been auto-updating since Potato 
(2.2), I rarely use Unstable packages, but Dev lives in Testing and 
I've not had any problems.  Spike and Chester stay with Stable sources.list 
and I trust the Debian development model (not released on any time 
schedules, but only releasesd when the DD's have finished bashing 
each other around).  I hope they fight the urge to go with release 
dates, even Ian Murdoch is pushing for release shedules :(  but he's 
at Sun now, so I hope that pressure subsides.


To be more to the point.  I keep all my work (and user accounts) 
rsynced on three different machines, backed up to CD and USB memory 
stick on a semi-irregular basis.  I plan for system restore from 
the boot disks, the list from apt-show-versions and a documented 
list of manual steps for things like the Linksys, /etc/hosts, /etc/ssh/sshd_config 
et al and Cheyenne config if anything does eventually go sideways. 
 It might be a (much) longer restore cycle, but I trust that more 
than backup/restore mirroring.  I've avoided the VM model, but that 
seems to be getting some good press now-a-days.

Sounds like you've got things well in hand.  One of the things that 
Debian and Ubuntu, at some 18,000 plus packages may have a tougher 
time with.  I prefer the Debian wait, over the 6 month deadline of 
Unbuntu still.

DanielSz;  Depending on how many specific associations you have created... 
temporarily moving (ie backup) the  ~/.nautilus subdir may help. 
It holds a metadata subdir.  Which if you move .nautilus Nautilius 
will revert to defaults.  


Or check out these intstructions on update-mime-types.  It effects 
~/.local/share/mime/packages/Override.xml
https://answers.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+question/6795

Syllable: Well, for me a server distro doesn't need to have graphics, 
sound etc. Just plain minimum server, virtualization enabled, SSH 
for remote access and a simple way to add more packages.

imho;  Ubuntu is the current up and comer.  Ubuntu ships with a defaut 
set of packages more tuned for running Gnome as the desktop.  Kubuntu 
ships with a default KDE setup.  The Ubuntu family is spin off of 
Debian ... Debian is my personal favourite.  The RHEL branches don't 
seem to do it for me quite as much.  Ubuntu is well supported with 
a growing community and a fairly well off benefactor.   Canonical 
is funded.  I'm pretty sure they still support the WeShipIt program 
where you can order CD's for free - shipping paid by Canonical.  
Pretty sweet.  But imho Debian is a little more solid; years between 
releases.  Canonical likes to stick to a 6 month updgrade schedule. 
 So you get new shiny every 6 months, but ... running a business 
on it, I prefer the soak time Debian affords.


GNU/Linux commands are fairly standard across the board.  It's the 
config, and helper apps that diverge the most.  (That alone causes 
a mess in GNU/Linux land but POSIX is POSIX).  Things don't really 
diverge low-level till you enter the other free unix clones like 
FreeBSD.  One thing to watch on the horizon is OpenSolaris.  If it 
rolls out as it should, it could well be the player to take in Linus. 
 And Ian Murdoch (the man beside Debra in Debian) works at Sun now, 
so ...


In short, Ubuntu good.   :)   But, I prefer it's parent, Debian. 
 If you check the IRC channels on Freenode, #debian is ruthless, 
brooks no guff, with awesome technical support.  #ubuntu seems a 
little more people friendly and perhaps more likely to effectively 
help new users.  Umm, don't go asking Ubuntu questions on #debian. 
 They seem to have a little bit of jealousy toward the younger upstart 
with all the flash cash.  :)


distrowatch.com will tell you pretty much anything you want to know.

I normally don't install development tools on my production servers. 
I just install pre-compiled packages. This works good most of the 
time.

So I just installed glorious UBUNTU Server edition. Installation 
went OK, but after 15 minutes of usege, I have big WTF? Are those 
ppl crazy? This is total piece of crap. You can't have X-Windows 
easily running there. There is NO visual administrative tool intalled 
by default. No webmin, but Ebox. At least Docs state how to install/run 
Ebox. It does NOT work, it is missing some packages. I am also left 
with my user name, and the SUDO. But - can you do everything by SUDO? 
How do I find out my real root password? I am really not an experienced 
Linux user, but I could manage that stuff with old Fedora in 2004. 
Why Ubuntu gets so much attention?

well, the server "works" somehow, as I can reach its web. But I am 
not hardcore linux guru to go with pure console. So I wanted to add 
webmin, but noticed there is Ebox equivalent, but was not able to 
install it. The package mechanism is strange too - too much packages. 
I liked "yum update" with Fedora - it simply installed needed patches. 
Here I tried aptitude but how do I know from so many packages, what 
I need to install. I need very simple mechanism to just apply security 
patches, nothing more, like with Windows :-)

OK, so you are saying that I need to use some older Ubuntu version? 
They officially release 8.10 version and some main packages don't 
even work? I thought that by going Ubuntu I would be more safe from 
such a hassle. I probably need to go with LTS version then?

apt-get upgrade

 or "aptitude upgrade" for just the updates.. (I've been using apt-get 
 instead of aptitude, and they don't interact well when it comes time 
 to remove packages)

yep that fails so far.

getting a number of missing packages.

the update syncs the repository, so if packages were missing, they 
should be there now.

Normally it's a problem right at startup of View and it's fixed by 
installing the X11 fixed size bitmap fonts, but you seem to have 
those already. Are there any other bitmap fonts packages that you 
can install?

Kaj, here are all the available packages with "font" in the name: 
http://www.archlinux.org/packages/?sort=&arch=i686&repo=&q=font&last_update=&limit=all

Anything that sounds like it could be the right one? And thanks for 
trying to help.

Those font packages all have different names on different Linux distros 
- one facet of the disaster

No change. I tried to install a few more font packages but those 
didn't help either. But thanks for your help, it was worth a try 
:)

Gabriele, wouldn't an error in the script mean that the Word Browser 
shouldn't work at all? It does work fine on Windows and Mac OS X 
and from what ManuM said, it works on Kubuntu Linux too. But thanks 
for your input on this :) Maybe REBOL is incompatible with a newer 
version of a package. Arch Linux is a rolling release distro (daily 
updates compared to Ubuntu where you get updates every 6 months in 
form of a new distribution release). If it's that, then this problem 
will pop up for other Linux users in a few months too, when their 
distributions update to use newer packages.

Then you can probably get it out of one of the original packages, 
such as here:

It's the only init script in the .deb packages

I just found out that the .deb distribution packages are in a weird 
format: ancient ar format which contains a few .tar.gz files

you need to chroot and install more packages, I guess. you need to 
do an actual installation, and not just a bootstrap.

I've tried that but it doesn't work, it requires to downgrade several 
other key packages like gcc-base, messing up the whole system. Anyway, 
it's no more an issue to me now, I've droppped View completely in 
all my webapps replacing with third-parties libs or services (like 
ReCaptcha).

The file is in those debian packages ..but how to open a deb in Suse?

(and you'll most certainly have to re-login to your x session after 
installing those packages.)

SOLVED!!! Added dependecies xfonts-100dpi and xfonts-75dpi !!!! Thank 
you very much Adnreas!!!!!!!!
You can download last linux packages from: 
http://www.maxvessi.net/rebsite/Linux/

If you use the linux packages, all dependencies are automatically 
downloaded!!!

When you install the rebol.deb file, it autamtically install xfonts 
packages, then you need to reboot the PC

Before that, single packages can be added or upgraded within Syllable 
Server

Other TTS packages such as FLite or eSpeak could also be used

The packages on http://www.maxvessi.net/rebsite/Linux/index.php
requires to install also the fonts

Did you find the Linux Rebol packages useful?

A report about my adventures:

sudo aptitude install libxaw7 libxmu6
[sudo] password for gouslar: 

0 packages installed, updated or deleted. 0 bytes of archives received.
Ok
sudo aptitude search libxaw7 libxmu6

i A libxaw7                         - X11 Athena Widget library  
               

p   libxaw7-dbg                     - X11 Athena Widget library (debug 
package) 

p   libxaw7-dev                     - X11 Athena Widget library (development 
hea

i A libxmu6                         - X11 miscellaneous utility library 
        

p   libxmu6-dbg                     - X11 miscellaneous utility library 
(debug p
Ok
sudo ldconfig
Ok
ldd 042/altme 
...
	libXaw7.so.7 => not found
	libXmu.so.6 => not found
...
Ok
ls /usr/lib/i386-linux-gnu/libXmu*
No such file(s).
Ok
ls /usr/lib/i386-linux-gnu/libXaw*
No such file(s).
Ok

Then, I installed rebol-2.7.8.4.3-4.amd64.deb from maxvessi.net.

(GTK-DEBI installer was saying to 47 additional packages, then it 
hung before downloaded anything. I killed some processes it created. 
Then I re-ran gdebi, it said all dependencies of 'rebol' are satisfied 
and installed 'rebol' quickly.)

Then, I re-ran:

ldd 042/altme 
...
	libXaw7.so.7 => not found
	libXmu.so.6 => /usr/lib32/libXmu.so.6 (0xf75c3000)
...
Ok
sudo aptitude install libXaw7 libxaw7-dbg libxaw7-dev
...it installed 21 new package...
Ok
ldd 042/altme 
...
	libXaw7.so.7 => not found
...
Ok
042/altme 

altme: error while loading shared libraries: libXaw7.so.7: wrong 
ELF class: ELFCLASS64
Ok

I bought it just 2 days ago. But I think there is no SDK for 2.7.8.

When I click on "REBOL/SDK 2.7.8 Released 9-Jan-2011" link on rebol.com 
website it goes to http://www.rebol.com/sdk.htmland there is a message 
"We have posted the 2.7.7 SDK packages for a variety of platforms." 
A bit confusing. But there is just 2.7.7 on download page.

the most common packages, I have in root of my app, or system/ subdir 
... so e.g. cyphre-styles, reddb, mysql, rebgui .... or how guys 
you simply pack or distribute your app then? doing with cache aproach 
is imo oncorrect, especially if you don't distinguis version of rebgui 
in the path. What if I don't have time to adapt all my apps to new 
version? above aproach shares rebgui dir for all apps ... wrong imo 
....

maybe I will even download it as-is now, and change also target location 
.... using cache directory does not work for me, I organise "library 
packages" a bit different way ...

I don't say, you should use a REBOL substitude for Excel. You have 
other options! OpenOffice has an excellent spreadsheet. I would guess, 
KOffice and other office packages has too. Why not switch to one 
of those and then integrate with them using REBOL?

so you can easily make paint packages like illustrator or custom 
interfaces which aren't bound to square shapes.

Yes, it will be released also as binaries in separate packages (apart 
from the source code package). I already have binaries for windows 
and linux, i'll be glad if you could encap it for FreeBSD.

We also plan, at Softinnov, to release it as debian package. The 
issue here is the dependency on rebol binaries, it's a pity that 
there's no REBOL packages that you can "apt install"...

doc: source code service: not like docbase. it's more for control 
of what versions a user can download, discerning between stable, 
unstable versions. also delivers a clean upgrade procedure that is 
easy for the user. one can download scripts, packages of scripts 
and on-demand encapped executables. it works all inside REBOL/Services, 
but I need a "virgin" entry, so new users can get their programs 
through a webbrowser as well.

http://syllable.cvs.sourceforge.net/viewvc/syllable/syllable/system/apps/utils/Builder/packages/uniserve-0.9.33/

http://syllable.cvs.sourceforge.net/viewvc/syllable/syllable/system/apps/utils/Builder/packages/cheyenne-0.9.19/

Volker + dog photo: the first demo of packages on REBOL.org:

http://www.rebol.org/cgi-bin/cgiwrap/rebol/view-package-file.r?file-name=image4.jpg&script-name=lds-demo1-package.r

seems all packages in that list are installed, but no go for View.

I'd like to know if any of you want to be alpha testers for the up 
and comming version, which is a result of several YEARS of fine tuning, 
 and now combining, a rich set tools.

CURRENT FEATURES (partial list):
General:
-----------------------
-non intrusive, does not force any programing onto you.

    ex:  * no need to have version in header, and can still do version 
    control

           * history format is user specified, massive configurability
-encapped (windows) application, so its easy to use.

-no external dependencies (ex: zip archive is embeded, and coded 
in rebol :-)


Automated:
-----------------------
-script versioning
-file backup (versioned)
-zip archival
-file management

-creation of "packages" (create dirs, copy files, archive, prebol, 
slim-link, encap, etc)

-header manipulation (including history, date, version, and any field 
you want to enforce)
-system calls
-file parsing, replacing info tags.

Flexible setup:
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-cascading configuration (global, user, project, + per file)

-config locking, prevents overiding configs in cascaded setups (project 
manager can create rules which no one can break)
-command-line arguments overides for many configs

-user set configs for most if not all features (ex: history format, 
date format).

and much more