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What? Why not to pack whole 150GB Linux to 400 KB Red executable?

Couldn't you pack them in a float64!?

Gregg, you have a fine taste of useful tech ;-)

I guess this is a huge task. If you look at the Xilinx ISE Pack and 
the prices they are asking...

There is a free Web version but this one only supports the very small 
units with max. 24k LC, not enough todo usefull things.

But of course a Verilog/VHDL dialect would be more than cool. Meanwhile 
OpenCL/CUDA would be nice as well.

In order to be able to generate x86 target, do the following:

- copy %build.r into %build-x86.r


- change make-dir/deep bin-dir/lib/armeabi => make-dir/deep bin-dir/lib/x86

- change "-t Android" => "-t Android-x86"


- change "rejoin [%../red/bridges/android/ bin-dir/lib/armeabi" => 
"rejoin [%../red/bridges/android/ bin-dir/lib/x86"


- run %build-x86.r - generates an apk and if you ran arm version 
previously, will pack both versions into one .apk

I've uploaded new script:

https://github.com/Oldes/rs/blob/master/projects-rswf/pack-assets/latest/pack-assets.r
which I'm using with this one:

https://github.com/Oldes/rs/blob/master/projects-rswf/form-timeline/latest/form-timeline.r

to pack assets (bitmaps and animations) for prototype of Adobe AIR 
framework I'm working on which can be seen here:

https://github.com/Oldes/Starling-timeline-example(as a Flashdevelop 
project)

ech.. f..ing altme links..
I've uploaded new script:

https://github.com/Oldes/rs/blob/master/projects-rswf/pack-assets/latest/pack-assets.r

which I'm using with this one:

https://github.com/Oldes/rs/blob/master/projects-rswf/form-timeline/latest/form-timeline.r


to pack assets (bitmaps and animations) for prototype of Adobe AIR 
framework I'm working on which can be seen here:

https://github.com/Oldes/Starling-timeline-example(as a Flashdevelop 
project)

Did VMware make the archive, or did you pack the files manually?

I had to download a special service pack from the ms site ... but 
of course you have to validate that you have genuine windows.  but 
their plugin for firefox does not work.

you are welcome... I just added rectangle-pack script and included 
ImageMagick dependencies which would be needed in some other scripts 
which I use.

Backup scheme: I suppose the only way is really some kind of snapshot, 
or by having AltME server pack a single file once an hour, that a 
backup system then can grab and stow somewhere.

It crashes with Windows XP or Win2000 server
e.g 

Microsoft Windows XP Professional
Version	5.1.2600 Service Pack 2 Build 2600

Prozessors	x86 Family 15 Model 2 Stepping 9 GenuineIntel ~2807 Mhz
Memory from 512 to 1024 MB

Windows 2000 Server
Version 5.0.2196 Service Pack 4 Build 2195

2 Processors X86 Family 15 Model 2 Stepping 7 Genuine Intel ~2399MHz

a.s.o.

XP Pro
5.1.2600 Service Pack 2 Build 2600
even with empty user.r

Ok, so you could pack each 21 (or 24) bits into a binary.

volker, can't check right now if that works, but does it pack the 
entire function inside the block?

off to the coast for the weekend, got to pack

Many bugs were fixed, including several regressions from earlier 
releases. The window decorators don't destabilise the system anymore. 
The installation procedure is greatly enhanced with options to fix 
hardware support problems. The native web browser is replaced with 
Webster, based on a newer version of the WebKit engine. Many enhancements 
were made to standards support, leading, among others, to the ability 
to run QEmu - so now you can run virtual machines. The documentation 
was improved and several translations were added. Read more in the 
full release notes: http://downloads.syllable.org/Syllable/i586/systems/Desktop/0.6.6/README-SyllableDesktop-0.6.6.txt
ISO CD images, (VMware) emulator images, an upgrade pack and documentation 
are available from the download page: http://web.syllable.org/pages/get-Syllable.html
Extra software is available here: http://web.syllable.org/Syllable/downloads.html

Here's the development files pack, needed for compiling software:

My Windows 2003 server failed to update to service pack 2.  Either 
I find a way to revert the changes, or I need to reinstall :(

I'm thinking I should setup a Linux server and run my 2003 as vmware 
instead.  Anyone can suggest the "best" or "most" compatible linux 
platform? 

I do have Suse10 on another box and was running vmware server on 
it... but when I did some kernel updates ( I wasn't thinking ), it 
all stopped working and I have to reinstall the Suse10 again :(

I justed installed Kubuntu on this machine BUT the installed leaves 
a lot of room for improvement.If I had never installed a Linux distro 
before,Kubuntu for the normal Windows user would have them saying 
"f*** Linux. The install gui does not have a progress bar and when 
it is done installing, it does not let the user know the install 
is done and what to do next :( Mandriva on the other hand has an 
excellent install gui. If the major distros could work on a unified 
install gui it would be worth its weight in salt. I did see an effort 
to that end by 2 different ppl but they can not work together because 
of design/programming ideas :( Linux on the desktop works well once 
installed/configed but still it not made for joe six pack

yes, that is also my understanding. So /draw will be module, which 
you will be able to "include" (pack) into your exe. But that alone 
does not probably answer, when/where X-Win is needed?

another thing anoying is that we need to move the buttons so to do 
this easier we need to pack the header button of the tab-panel into 
two boxes in order to slide them ;)

packaging: I vote for it. What's up with the requestors? Are these 
always needed? If possible we should find a way to pack those things 
together that are always needed and let the rest be optional.

- still - pop-up system non system friendly (not Rebgui issue, but 
rebol one's)

- I have some difficulcy with leds - If you would not provide me 
with text help, I would very hardly know, what those state means 
- I am not sure such style has place in standard pack ... or just 
- let it transparent for 'not-selected selection, green for 'on selection, 
red for 'off selection ...

- table - still you are able to scroll hilited row "under" the table 
style border - it should know it is at last displayed element and 
start scrolling, scrollers should reflect that. If there is no internal 
track of hilited row/cell, then it is not true grid system (I hope 
not)

- bug with text-list multi selection - there seem to be bug in math 
... press shift, hold it, hilite e.g. 6 rows. Still hold it, press 
some two rows below, it let's hilited only first two rows ...

the most common packages, I have in root of my app, or system/ subdir 
... so e.g. cyphre-styles, reddb, mysql, rebgui .... or how guys 
you simply pack or distribute your app then? doing with cache aproach 
is imo oncorrect, especially if you don't distinguis version of rebgui 
in the path. What if I don't have time to adapt all my apps to new 
version? above aproach shares rebgui dir for all apps ... wrong imo 
....

For places where you have limited screen space and need to pack more 
data.

Yeah sorry guys, I spent almost an hour the other day just installing 
Tortoise for SVN, because my windows installer was too old.

A window popped open to suggest that  get a newer service pack. I 
got it going in the end by running automatic updates and updating 
just the windows installer. It worked in the end, without restarting 
the machine, but then I'd run out of time to actually submit anything.

Cyphre style pack's tabs look nicer with gradients - http://www.xidys.com/cyphre-styles.jpg

so far, the best Rebol related designs, for me - Henrik's stuff, 
Detective, Cyphre's styles pack - compact designs ....

Graham - Cyphre's styles pack contains tabs with arrows, so that 
you can have more than is visible space. Horizontal only though ... 
You could contract Cyphre to do it for RebGUI ....

Ashley, I must say I don't remember. I will pack all files together 
and send them over to you. Ok?


Overall our RebGUI branch is very stable now. I'm using it in a quite 
complex application (1 MB of source code) and it's really nice.

Pekr: I'm using uniserve as well for some time, but version 0.9.9 
I found some time to look at the version 0.9.19 now so I'm examining 
it, and must say, that's just a quick pack of some files.

graham: Sit isn't much popular anymore though still in use by some. 
The most popular way to pack mac programs is with dmg or tar.gz or 
tar.bz, since this can be done out of the box, but .sit can't.

Presentation works fine here. Media Player Classic, 3ivx decoder, 
all standard stuff right out of the K-Lite codec pack.

Here's the K-Lite Mega Pack download location, also with Real and 
Quicktime support without their players, no spyware:  http://www.codecguide.com/download_mega.htm

no problem with codecs here. I stopped to use whatever else than 
divx and xvid. Those guys did really good work in bringing you good 
codecs. So - go and download some codec pack - e.g. ffdshow, or all-in-one 
codeck pack ... go to http://www.free-codecs.com

However, it is commonly used as a way to pack things into one archive.

So to use the power pack, we have to load the module system first 
....

Did someone make a web site for the Power Pack, or is it a dead project?

Anton - what form is TCC in? Few dlls? Executable? You could probably 
create "new REBOL" using SDK - simply bundle it into new exe with 
all stuff you need (IIRC SDK allows loading internal binary stuff). 
Or pack it into one file, give it plugin suffix :-) Then normally 
read and decompress it, then load it :-)

well - I have never used OS-X, but I am not scared - but - I need 
modern codecs - divx, xvid in codeck-pack or ffdshow, bsplayer ... 
just give me those sw on OS-x

For those of you who want StarOffice 8 but dont want to pay the $70 
-- Its now in Google Pack  www.itwire.com/content/view/13981/53/

Well, one should probably not underestimate the design of the XO-3. 
I wonder which one breaks first, if a child uses one of each for 
a year. Also, the OLPC contains much more beefy educational software, 
specific inputs for measuring equipment and low-voltage charge input 
for mechanical charging with handcrank and solar charging.


The cover can double as a solar panel with built-in battery pack, 
which you take off and leave out in the sun. When it's charged, put 
the cover on the back and the tablet runs off that battery.


When comparing the UI responsiveness, there is pretty much no contest:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=X0OuUr1pZBE
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=f5D06XQ1f3o

But the Ubislate is likely much cheaper to produce.

not sure if correct, but I can see rebin as kind of "packager" for 
rebol? Will it allow us to pack various things - e.g. libraries, 
scripts, images, or other resources, and add it to the rebol.exe?

Geomol - each coin has its two sides. Maybe there are some Windows 
only developers. From their POV, there is simply DirectX available 
on each PC, so no special need to install one. In the case of GLUT, 
they will have to either install it separately (I don't know anything 
about it, so maybe it is just few libraries), or simply pack with 
their app ...

REBOL/View 1.3.2.3.1 5-Dec-2005 Core 2.6.3
Copyright 2000-2005 REBOL Technologies.  All rights reserved.
REBOL is a trademark of REBOL Technologies. WWW.REBOL.COM
>> x: 1.0 while [(1.0 + (x / 2.0)) > 1.0] [x: x / 2.0]
== 1.77635683940025E-15

Microsoft Windows XP Home Edition Version 2002 Service Pack 2   Compaq 
Presario AMD Athlon XP 2200+  1.80 GHz  1.00 GB of RAMS

petr: because this the current money! format is faster and takes 
less space (you can't pack 26 bcd digits in a rebol value otherwise)

I know it's far away but what are the design-plans for compiling 
with the upcoming SDK3. 

Do we still compile/pack into one executable file, or one executable 
+ hostlib?

It is one !extrem! cool feature that compiled/packed rebol doesn't 
need additional files 
even own system lib's or other garbage/bloatware to run.

Gabriele, I understand you. Mov might be technologically even superior. 
So I don't know if it is licencsing of Apple or ignorance of Windows 
probrammers, but - I just want to use one codeck pack - ffdshow for 
e.g. It is some 5 years I met some video, which was not able to work 
with it. Any player! But - quicktime is painfull exception! I don't 
want quicktime player! I want it to play with any player I choose. 
And it does not seem being so. So, I have also VNC, just to have 
such problems as getting sound, but not picture, etc. So - no mov 
for me.

Steeve - I posted read/text follow-up to codec Chat section. I really 
don't like it. I added even your question about ports. I think, that 
Carl is trying to make his life easier =  give me some whole C code 
for particular format, I will pack it with REBOL via tiny interface.

obviously, I know how to write one... but its a pretty recurring 
need for inclusion in the /plus pack... no?

Anton, did you download that font pack I pointed to ?

Good idea to put a link to the font pack into the ps2draw.r header.

build-pack.r from the library seems to be just what I need.

No, I don't think build-pack.r will work either, as it would have 
to download all the data with the script before the slideshow would 
start.

Doc. I have made a testing engine that simulates all sorts of http 
requests for testing my apps in rebol ... it so so works now, so 
I have to improve it still . .. you could also use that to create 
a pack of test suits for cheyenne and each time you make bigger changes 
you just run it and see if things behaved as suspected

can I somehow automatically execute run one file or a pack of code 
before each page load If I am not in webapp? I added do %... to each 
html file now but it's not very elegant.

I have some stuff here from China that has english menu's but some 
it put pack after reset to chinese.. Still unable to figure out how 
to put it all back ;-) This tool is a handy helpout here..

Here it is:
http://box.lebeda.ws/~hmm/rebol/rectangle-pack.r
with my real life result example:
http://box.lebeda.ws/~hmm/rebol/rectangle-pack-result.jpg
Maybe it's not perfect, but it does what I need.

probably very preliminary, but could this be kind of the design we 
are heading for? Looks clean, simple, yet nice enough. IIRC Cyphre 
used similar theming (blueish) for his styles-pack:


http://www.zive.cz/ShowArticleImages.aspx?id_file=423472159&article=141664

I'll pack it up within the next hour.

Henrik, wouldn't it be at least posible to pack the files separatly 
(not to have them all in one file)? It's really unusable for other 
people than you in such a state. Especially when you are modifying 
5-10 files per day.

We should start talking look & feel at some point too, as it really 
looks completly strange :-) Cheap gradients with Aqua like old Mac 
look mixed with 70ties Unix grey aproach :-). How can anyone create 
anything like that nowadays? This is really strange, as I remember 
Gabriele's effect-lab, Cyphre's styles pack, and also Henrik's first 
UI attempts, and those looked much better ...


I need to know, if it will be adressed, as I am scared to touch the 
gui, as I fear it will do really something bad to me :-)

Pekr: looks, that you will get more examples from Cyphre, who promised 
to pack some and make them available. So, I am afraid, that at the 
time being, you only have the examples from the gui-panels.html text 
available.

Following few things:


- why is "custom" include needed? We should either user R3 native 
facilities, or include an include as a standard into R3 :-) (this 
is no real question, just a remark that if we find it usefull, then 
why notto make it part of R3?)

- RMA does not work with CureCode tickets. It would be good to either 
dismiss/close or resolve them? E.g. I find renaming of do-style and 
do-face to do-action, do-reaction a good tip to implement


- we should resolve the size of buttons vs scroller vs tabs. In Carl's 
GUI, button is 28 pixels tall, and it feels OK. Our's here is 22, 
I have no preference here, but could be those 28 pixels. Scroller 
is only 16pix - not acceptable imo. It should be of the size of the 
progress. Tabs are proportionally too tall.

- tabs should have line removed for actual tab. I suspect it might 
be more difficult to draw the container then.

- there seems to be someone at RMA liking Old aqua interface of MacOS. 
Tabs, buttons and scrollers are a good example ... of how to not 
do visuals anymore :-)

- area - enter few lines, go to bottom, and try to hilite the text 
by keyboard (shift plus arrow-up). It always hilites only actual 
line

- info areas, labes, etc., should prohibit display of caret, maybe 
allow hilighting, but allowing to have caret in "disabled" area is 
not looking nice

- text-table buttons are Excel filter inspired, but looking strange 
- some more thoughts needed
- select-an-option does not allow keyboard navigation

- text-list does not scroll, when navigated by keyboard, ditto text-table

- tabbing feels strange for text table. I alway said, that we need 
nested tabbing. I can imagine tab stopping on table, but next tab 
moving away, not actually going into tabbing in terms of the hilited 
widget. Enter should enter the more complex style, escape move away. 
That is not typical also at OS level, but then - everybody has it 
wrong :-)

- between the text-list and text-table, I have to press tab three 
times -visually I am not sure, "where" hilite disappears

- is text-table a compound style? What sense does it have to have 
buttons hilighted, not being able to enter the action? Why are not 
arrows tabbable? Table headers cells should be one style, not two.

- text-table is the weakest "grid" we ever had. Comparing to Cyphre's 
style pack, and rebgui grid. This is like 5% of functionality, not 
thought out style, useless for any serious data. I want to see the 
display of infiinte amount of data, proper caching.

- tab should be tabbable, ctrl-tab allowed to switch between the 
tabs  


I find the styles/gui inconsistent. There should be someone defining 
the styles, their behaviour to keyboard navigation, tabbing, etc. 
So far it seems like style being put together with no deeper thought 
about the end result of the whole GUI.

Pekr: "when is A98 going to be released?"

I don't know. I thought soon, but then Carl went wild with fixes 
and core semantic changes like the 'self stuff. It may still be soon, 
since those are done. It depends on how many more magic tricks Carl 
wants to pack into this release.

It is nice we have embedded Extensions. That way we can "internalise" 
external components, and kind of pack-it-in into one exe, as Encap 
did, no?

but we need to make sure we collect them all (I gather you've been 
a pack rat about this ;-)>

The Rebol system object is a very nice thing. I would pack it with 
all sort of things, especially those that can be "global" to a program 
or even "global" to many Rebol programs.

We could as well use the group power-pack, although it was meant 
a bit differently - to create package of most usefull add-on stuff, 
so e.g. mysql protocol, rugby, uniserve, etc.

GDB, but it's possible that the current port doesn't work. It's in 
the Developer's Delight pack:

I use #pragma pack(4) to control alignment. Read about it here:


http://developer.apple.com/library/mac/#documentation/Darwin/Conceptual/64bitPorting/MakingCode64-BitClean/MakingCode64-BitClean.html