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Yes, and nobody has confirmed the proper library names on OS X

Do you know if any other ReadLine comes with OS X?

Cool, thanks! The release will have OS X console support :-)

Is it already possible to detect OS from Red level?

Global per OS constants: if at Red/System level, use #enum in a #switch 
OS [...] control structure. If at Red level, it depends on your usage.

Red interpreter for Mac OS is working now ... :-)

Actually, Gregg's test works under OS X:

Schulz:Red peter$ ./console

-=== Red Console alpha version ===-
(only Latin-1 input supported)

red>> s: copy ""
== ""
red>> append/dup s #" " 10
== "          "
red>> length? s
== 10

I've just run the Red tests on both Windows 7 and OS X. Same results 
on both:

** - Red Test Suite******************5331 / 5666 **

So there should be an OS check there, right?

A new dual core machine? Do they still manufactor those? 

I kind of had the idea the OS decides when to use more than one processor.

If your program is only one process and no threads, it's impossible 
for an OS to run it on more than one core at the same time

I think OS X GUI apps are fundamentally dual-threaded, with one thread 
for the GUI, so in the best case, it uses two cores more or less

For false alarms from AV software, please report them to me so I 
can contact AV vendors to whitelist Red binaries.

, how should I report it? What to include? I can prepare zip package 
with those exe files and some info (OS versions, AV versions, etc.)

Shared lib generation for Mac OS X and Linux.

why not to use native OS functions? At least on WIn there is: http://msdn.microsoft.com/en-us/library/windows/desktop/dd374085(v=vs.85).aspx

Being written in REBOL/View, ALTME encodes characters in the Windows 
codepage under Windows, MacRoman under OS X and UTF-8 (I think, it 
may be ISO-8859-1) under Linux. So if you use any character  other 
than standard ASCII characters, it will appear differently on differnet 
systems.

I'd like to know what your development environment for Red/System 
is especially that used by Doc.
In the meantime...
	My development environment:
	OS: Windows 7
	Editor: Notepad++ v5.0.3
	  not the latest version but I prefer this one,

   using "Python" as the language for syntax highlithing and coloring

   (there is not a "REBOL" language) and used mainly for the folding 
   on indentation

   (I can not live without folding, and folding on indentation makes 
   life even easier)

   I have added a menu item with a keybord shortcut to run REBOL with 
   the currently shown file as argument.

   I have added also a menu item with a keybord shortcut to run my modified 
   version of REBOL-Word-Browser

 At the end of the r/s file I add these lines (mostly taken from Bruno 
 Anselme):
		#if OS = '???? [{
		REBOL []
		appname: "myprog"

  rs-dir: %../Red-master-0.3.2_Bruno/red-system                ; locate 
  here your red-system directory
		dest: rejoin [what-dir appname ]
		print [ "------ Compiling" appname "------" ]
		do/args rs-dir/rsc.r rejoin ["-o " dest " " dest %.reds ]

		print [ "Destination file:" dest ]
		call/wait/show/console dest
		halt
		;}]

 This way pressing the shortcut I can run REBOL that compiles the 
 program I am writing and than starts the program.
	Any suggestion is welcomed!

I tried it on a 32b OS.

I might miss some basic OS understanding. Guys, how do you work with 
all the path? I have JAVA installed, REBOL installed, yet what I 
am strugling with, is path. When I follow docs, it always seems to 
be easy. Docs state:


do/args %rsc.r "-dlib %bridges/java/JNIdemo.reds -o %bridges/java/JNIdemo"


well, for normal user, in order to try that, user needs to understand, 
he has to start Rebol for that. So there are basically two options:


- running REBOL from icon. Then you have to change-dir to where Red 
is - in my case, something like C:\!Rebol\Red

- I thought, I might use just "pressing ENTER" upon Red.r, which 
launches console for me. But above still will not work, unless I 
change-dir into red-system subdir. It should be imo either stated 
in the docs, or some shortcuts provided, e.g. red-system.r, allowing 
me to launch console directly in that subdir, and then above command 
would run just OK.


I am not stating anything is wronk, it is upon user to improve the 
workflow, but surely it is an obstacle for occassional user.

Now back to docs:

2. Compile and run the JNIdemo.java app from console:

        $ javac JNIdemo.java
        $ java JNIdemo


Well, when in console, my console does not recognise javac, nor java 
executables. Apparently a path problem, but I have JAVA installed 
via installer. So I have to go inside JAVA dir, which means:

cd c:\Program Files (x86)\Java\jdk1.7.0_21\bin\
javac c:\!rebol\!Red\\red-system\bridges\java\

Any tips? :-)

Works fine on Mac OS X too (using `java -d32 bridge`).

OS X wants to be a Unix, so there you go

It uses only libraries known to be shipped with OS X, so it's just 
the one executable. But you do need 32 bit versions of those libraries

In a short - Red compiles to Red/System. Red/System is intermediate 
language, which then compiles to native platforms. Red/System can 
also generate shared libraries. It all means, that from Windows, 
you can generate OS-X, Linux etc. programs or libraries.


As for Red itself, it is not only compiled though. Doc's intention 
is to bring in a modern hybrid, which will work as compiled, jitted, 
or interpreted, upon the need of the programmer or the app. So, what 
we have also got is Red interpreter and console too. JIT has yet 
to come.


Recently Red is not complete, Doc took some side-way to bring in 
Android support. That means we had to have shared libraries available 
first, then JAVA/JNI bridge (which is done), nowadays Doc works towards 
generating first .apk. He is on vacation till 3rd of June though. 
After that is done, we will get objects, I/O and parse (IIRC Gabriele 
will write it, just waiting for object support)

It's not visible for the user, it matters for the OS, because of 
low JNI references limitation.

On OS X, there should be a time command in the terminal

Pekr, I used Quicktime on OS X from 5.6, For windows there should 
be a pretty good freeware alternative

Yes as build.r  with multi OS support  !!

Doc and/or Kaj, at what point will we be able to use Red and R/S 
to start things off by programming the MBR and jumping to a Red OS. 
What I am interested in is learning to use Red and R/S to build a 
native O/S from the ground up as this is the best way to truly understand 
computers. Also a PC that is Red and R/S from the ground up is a 
very exciting prospect.

Kensingleton: for writing your own OS, you will need to write a custom 
file emitter for Red/System unless ELF could also be used for that?

I'm using only SSD disks since 5-6 years, and HDD only for backups. 
My configuration has one 32GB SSD for OS and one 64GB for VMs. Now 
that SSD prices have dropped significantly, I bought two cheap 128GB 
SSD, so I won't have to fight anymore with disk space for a while.

I can't wait to have a cross-platform Red IDE and forget about what 
"installation" means. :-) A Red OS would also help a lot. ;-)

Sorry for the hardware problem Doc. You can blame me. I sometimes 
think "How can I get Doc to write a Red OS...?"

New World alpha release at
https://github.com/Geomol/World


- Added better networking using cURL library, libcurl (OS X and Linux)
- Added tasks incl.:
	- task! datatype
	- task-id! datatype
	- TASKS native function
	- task? and task-id? mezzanines

 - Task support for many functions incl. HELP, SOURCE, FIRST, SECOND, 
 PICK, COMPILED? and DISASM
	- KILL mezzanine to call TASKS/KILL

- Added inter-task communication using SEND and RECEIVE native functions
- Added support for messages to WAIT as: wait 'message

- Added preemptive multitasking using TASKS/TICKS to specify number 
of Virtual Machine instructions per task run (default is 200)

- Added timers for tasks triggered by WAIT native and READ native, 
when reading from url
- Task yield can be achieved by: wait 0
- Changed ;{ } comment syntax to ;( )
- Parens can now span several lines at the prompt
- Added system/console/paren
- Added support for pressing <Esc> to stop execution of main task

- Sending input via pipe to World started with a script will activate 
input without echo and without <tab>-completion etc.. (Not sure how 
and if this works under Windows.)
- Added support for picking 'Re and 'Im of complex numbers
- Better implementation of TRY

- New test versions of IF and EITHER, that can take other than block! 
arguments
- Added more tests

OS-mesa

FLTK (pronounced "fulltick") is a LGPL'd C++ graphical user interface 
toolkit for X (UNIX®), OpenGL®, Microsoft® Windows®, OS/X, and several 
other platforms.

Kaj: For embedded applications, all you need to add to the ODROID 
is a MicroSD card with the OS on it.  That doesn't add any higher 
power requirements.  If you want to add a hard drive, DVD-RW, monitor, 
etc. to it, of course it will take more power.  However, those aren't 
needed for most embedded applications.

If it's the r3-osx file from:
http://development.saphirion.com/experimental/

, then I get the following on OS X 10.7.5:

504 ~/r3$ ./r3-osx 
Illegal instruction: 4

Robert, if it's extra work to make it work with earlier versions 
of OS X, then maybe you shouldn't use too much time on it. We can 
just upgrade to latest OS X, which at least I will eventually do 
at some point. Maybe some hardware can't be updated, I don't know.

Guys, this is great news! My first reaction was to get it posted 
on the MSDN site, but I'm not sure that reducing the need for Microsoft 
tools would be viewed as a positive thing from their point of view. 
It should be, though, since simplifying Windows driver development 
leads to more peripherals/accessories being integrated with the OS. 
It's a win for everyone (well, I guess not for the rabid anti-MS 
crowd). Between this and the similarly simple mobile dev that's coming, 
Red and R/S will be unbeatable.

it uses TCP/UDP stack

 And how do you think your user app sends and receives TCP packets? 
 :-) It does through a kernel driver for the network card, provided 
 by the OS.

The /proc file accesses you've mentioned on Linux are just wrappers 
that rely on kernel drivers. There's no shortcut in modern big systems, 
User app => OS => Hardware.

Does one have already explore the possibility to us SDL as a Rebol 
interface to OS graphic/sound/event interface ?

BrianH: I don't mean to present this patch as something it's not. 
To clarify: still a hacky solution, but at least it brings the current 
behaviour to OS X.

https://github.com/rebol/r3/blob/master/src/os/win32/host-lib.c#L640

in a make/makefile for osx-intel:
TO_OS?= TO_OSXI
...
RFLAGS= -c -D$(TO_OS) -DREB_API  $(RAPI_FLAGS) $I
HFLAGS= -c -D$(TO_OS) -DREB_CORE $(HOST_FLAGS) $I

make make OS_ID=0.2.5

I think, I'm two OS versions behind on my iPhone, and it says, it 
has 26 app updates for me.

I'm one OS X version behind on my MacBook and found out the other 
day, my Xcode is 'old' too. So what? It works.

I haven't updated my Windows and Linux 'machines' in VirtualBox for 
years.


I just can't waste my time on all this updating to "now even more, 
newer, better". It's rubbish! :)

I have an "old" copy.  Don't know if it os corrupt or not.  I'm sending 
it your way....

os = is

Dont know that eally well myself. what i firued out: usually (debian, 
suse) startup-scripts are in /etc/init.d. on debian there is a /etc/init.d/skeleton 
as base for own script. then there are the runlevels in /etc/rc?d/. 
links there go to /etc/init.d/ an tell the system what to start/stop. 
the numbers in the filenames are the priority, lowest run first. 
Usually there is a gui-tool like yast or ksysv which scans /etc/init.d/ 
for scripts and makes the appropriate links. tricky things are to 
write the startup-script, to figure out which runlevel to use and 
how the os figures out what to stop. although if you dont need that 
runlevel smartness, because you call it on boot and let it be killed 
by shutdown, you can just use a normal bash-script.

otherwise you're better off letting them handle the os upgrade or 
better ask for a up to date box (e.g. with Fedora core 4) and migrate

I've installed Ubuntu for my girlfriend and it seems to work without 
problems. My win-comp crashed badly again so I'm thinging about changing 
my OS. I want to know what alternatives are there, what distro seems 
to work best. I tried Mepis yesterday but was dissapointed, it had 
some strange problems.

Damn Small Linux 2.0 released..  http://www.damnsmalllinux.org/index.html


Damn Small is small enough and smart enough to do the following things:


    * Boot from a business card CD as a live linux distribution (LiveCD)
    * Boot from a USB pen drive

    * Boot from within a host operating system (that's right, it can 
    run *inside* Windows)

    * Run very nicely from an IDE Compact Flash drive via a method we 
    call "frugal install"

    * Transform into a Debian OS with a traditional hard drive install
    * Run light enough to power a 486DX with 16MB of Ram

    * Run fully in RAM with as little as 128MB (you will be amazed at 
    how fast your computer can be!)

    * Modularly grow -- DSL is highly extendable without the need to 
    customize

Well, its not designed for binaries.. Interface os thru a wrapper, 
distribute the wrapper and rebol.o, problem solved..

Rondon: I think he's referring to the fact that the Shebang, ( the 
first line of the CGI) is a Shell command to tell the OS to load 
the Rebol interpreter.

But I could be wrong.

I'd like to let my cgi script to be easy portable. I already moved 
them twice on tree different unix-like OS successfully, but I had 
always the problem of the first row. If in the first row I wrote 
#!/usr/local/rebol/rebol -c I need, in the new hosting OS, to have 
Rebol installed in thet dir. But this is not always true (or simple 
to set up). So I'd like to use a "portable syntax". Now, I did various 
tests but I couldn't find a solution. I already tryed:

1) #!/scripttorebol, where  "scripttorebol" is a script containing 
#!/usr/local/rebol/rebol -c on the first row. But it doesn't work 
because the rebol code is even interpreted by the OS shell

ldd rebol-view-executable

 under Linux could tell you what libraries are needed. If that is 
 not much (e.g. one library being dependant upon other etc.), you 
 could try to upload those libraries to where your view executable 
 resides. The question is, what is Linux OS strategy to look for libraries 
 - current dir, some central libraries storage path, elsewhere ...?

hmm, size-text - it does sound like a native. IMO it is wrapper for 
OS level function, returning pixel size of particular text .... could 
that be a problem of some missing os library?

My ISP just changed OS for FreeBSD 6.2 - and all my rebol cgi scripts 
are not working! What should I ask them to?

Keyboards leave a lot to be desired. I would like to see the often-used 
technique of copy and paste to be given more prominence on the keyboard 
(and supporting OS).

Found a tool for css and firefox. Opens an editor in the sidebar 
with css for the main-page. and updates main-page on the fly on edit. 
https://addons.update.mozilla.org/extensions/moreinfo.php?application=firefox&version=1.0&os=MacOSX&category=DeveloperTools&numpg=10&id=179>EditCSS

I like the idea of a cookbook entry to check on versions. It could 
be expanded to check on OS and other things (what system is this 
script running on?)

BeOS had the annotated BeBook:  http://www.beunited.org/bebook/
 It was pretty useful  back when people were really coding for the 
OS.

if we take MacOS X example we all know what is the gain for Apple 
but it is more blur to see what is the befefit that OpenBSD project 
writers retrieves of this experience. A part a spot light put uppon 
there project. But every a little serrious coder was yet knowing 
that freeBSD and OpenBSD were rock stable OS

Adobe AIR beta provides additional features to enhance operating 
system integration:

    * Background applications

    * System tray icon (Windows) / Dock bar bounce (Mac OS X) notification
    * Default windows menus
    * Z-order control for native windows
    * Bitmap drag-and-drop support
    * Customization of program folder entry
    * New Mac and Windows install location

As far as I understand it R3 will allow you to port to any platform 
or OS. I'm sure there is an exlanation of how this is to be done.

Runtime Core - Closed: This is the OS independent kernel that provides 
standard REBOL capabilities across all systems and devices. It is 
this component that makes REBOL operate identically on Windows, OSX, 
Linux, BSD, Sony, Nokia, Nintendo, and other systems.
-from the above document.

Will: I'm guessing that you meant a version running with /core under 
OS X.

Will: When I tried to load the latest version of RWSF under Mac OS 
X it failed as it calls a Windows DLL.

Q. Given that  window transparency is OS specific, will there be 
a dialect that covers both Windows, Linux and 40+ other OS?  In other 
words, does RT plan on continued support of so many languages, or 
are we entering a new era of specific OS support?

Q: What does the world on Nov-15-2005 look like?


A: Our main goal is to get REBOL into the hands of more users, not 
just programmers and techies.... by the millions over time.  By doing 
that, we create a market for not only handy free REBOL apps, but 
also for commercial apps and entire businesses that are related to 
REBOL.



Q: Given that  window transparency is OS specific, will there be 
a dialect that covers both Windows, Linux and 40+ other OS?  In other 
words, does RT plan on continued support of so many languages, or 
are we entering a new era of specific OS support?


A: Our plan is to make that a window option that is part of the face/options 
for a window.  If an OS does not support this mode, then the option 
will be ignored, but the application will still be fully functional.



Q: I hope it is still valid that cooperation with RT is possible. 
I mean - last few weeks I play with some Win32 functions (thanks 
to Gregg) and I would like we would have proper app behavior in multi-monitor/multi-desktop 
environments .... so I wonder if any SIGs will be created, some ppl 
will be invited to participate, comment etc., or if RT is gonna cook 
it all themselves?


A: Yes, there are many such special interest projects currently going 
on. (Most of them are occurring via private projects in AltME and 
IOS.)  These days 90% of REBOL changes are done in cooperation with 
the REBOL community.



Q: Hi .... with recent Rebcode releases, we can see that internally 
new Core is marked as 2.7 and View is marked as 1.4 Is it just working 
"title" or will those products be marked as that? And if so, can 
we know, what other changes will go for 1.4 View release target? 
Will there be any AGG fixes/additions (to support SVG RebGUI progress), 
or even VID changes? I still think, that VID is missing few fine 
styles as tab, group-box, better list as was introduced on IOS Developer's 
server, (eventually tree, menu), to allow novices to start using 
VID/View more productively. Any chance RT can tell us, what is the 
plan for 1.4 release?


A: Regarding 2.7 and 1.4 question: we change the revision numbers 
(the second number) whenever there is a major change in REBOL that 
may be unstable.  The /core 2.7 kernel (that is in /view 1.4 as well) 
adds new datatypes to REBOL, and they are the first datatypes added 
in several years, so we consider this to be a major change, and marked 
it that way.
Yes, we do plan to be making a few AGG fixes very soon.

Oh, and regarding VID: we plan to be making very big changes there. 
More to come soon.


Q: Could you add struct! support to /Core?

I keep on having situations that would be made much easier by struct! 
when I don't need libraries. For instance, conversions from external 
binary data encodings to internal REBOL values, say for file formats, 
network protocols and so on. Now rebcode has added other forms of 
strong typing like the type-specific opcodes and the vectors. Having 
structs with their constrained field types, their specific data layouts, 
would be a perfect match for the low level operations of rebcode. 
They would be helpful later when implementing your own data types 
as well.


A: On structs: yes, we will enable this feature on core, but it should 
only be used for lower level code.  Objects are more powerful.


Q: Could you add an APPLY opcode to rebcode?

    apply: ["Apply function or path to arguments, save result" word! 
    word! | path! block!]

In rebcode:
    apply x f [arg1 arg2 ...]
Is equivalent to this in REBOL:
    x: do f arg1 arg2 ...


The advantage to doing function calls this way is that the arity 
of the opcode is fixed, even if the arity of the function called 
can't be known ahead of time. The value assigned to the function 
word could be either a function or a path, or for efficiency you 
could have a seperate opcode APPLYP for path values (I'd prefer just 
one opcode for generality but it's your call).


A: I'm not sure what is meant by the path for it. You mean for refinements?
That may actually slow down the apply interface.

changes re technology, or just that platform changes, so e.g. OS-X 
gets priority etc.? :-)

Is there any schedule for anything actually? Rebcode, rich-text, 
rif? All we know for past two months is OS-X is being worked on/updated, 
and some unconfirmed rumours of Rebol 3.0 being considered to be 
developed. Any other info?

And I would post the article too "Why I don't use MagmaOS" :-), but 
the reasons are obvious :-) I want small rebol os :-)

Pekr, "why I am looking into mini-itx stuff". I have been waiting 
for nano-ITX for the last two years ... and in that time Apple have 
released Mac mini and announced Mac mini for x86.


I've done the sums, even with the wholesale prices I can get on most 
of the PC components (Via board, laptop HDD, RAM, Case plus time/cost 
of assembly), and the current Mac mini still comes out cheaper and 
quieter even with all the Mac software pre-bundled.


If Apple can release the new Intel-based Mac mini at the same or 
better prices, with the same or better specs, then why would anyone 
wait for Via to get their act together when they can buy a cost-effective 
off-the-shelf solution today, even if it means ditching OS X for 
Linux or Windows?!

 even if it means ditching OS X for Linux or Windows?!

  - not understanding here.  You're saying that Mac hardware might 
  be cheaper then building it yourself.  And then you ditch OSX so 
  you can run windows/linux on the Mac ?

well - I have never used OS-X, but I am not scared - but - I need 
modern codecs - divx, xvid in codeck-pack or ffdshow, bsplayer ... 
just give me those sw on OS-x

I also fear - touching OS-X, as good unix based derivative, would 
mean no way back for me to crappy Windows, where still inserting 
the floppy may mean your OS is gonna block for few secs ;-)

pekr, of course all these things are already available for OSX and 
have been for a long time. One thing that kind of surprised me is 
how many apps surpass Windows equivalents in quality, simply because 
the underlying foundation with Cocoa is incredibly strong. You can 
tap into a lot of amazing functions and the OS itself can do things 
where Windows would need third party software to do the same.

For example, look at Jaime's presentation from the REBOL conference. 
It was done in Keynote which is a presentation program made by Apple 
which makes Powerpoint look like a silly joke. It uses full 3D hardware 
acceleration and can apply pixel shader effects to the presentation 
through Core Image. By having a very strong set of video functions 
as well, presentations can be exported to a lot of different videoformats 
from DV to H264 or MPEG4, etc. in any size or framerate. You can 
also convert parts of it to a PDF document or a bitmap image. All 
this is possible, because OSX does this in Cocoa and is available 
at the developer's fingertips. This is also what made apps like iMovie 
possible, because they integrate into OSX.


Often the wrong question to ask is "Does program X exist for OSX?", 
because the programs are different and often of much higher quality. 
A lot of programs don't even have Windows equivalents. The community 
reminds me a bit of what bedroom programmers did during the old days 
of the Amiga, when they used the hardware and made beautiful demos. 
There are a lot of small, free apps available that do 2-3 things.

There are other languages bundle with the OS, from the top of my 
head Perl, Phyton and Ruby

BSD API is not the problem, this API only covers interaction at the 
low level with the OS. For graphics you need to use either Carbon 
API or Cocoa API.

what os are you running ?

Three problems with them:


1) The widget engine is a hefty 12MB or so download (for widgets 
that are nothing other than HTML+CSS+Javascript+Images bundled in 
a zip file with a magic extension)

2) The download/installation process tries repeatedly to high-jack 
your browser preferences

3) The widgets look pretty ordinary compared to the OS X dashboard 
equivalents (go here, http://www.apple.com/downloads/dashboard/and 
compare the respective dictionary/thesaurus offerings)

I still think it is so far the bes commercial OS design ... many 
say so about Plan9, but I don't know it. I met Dan Dodge back in 
98 in Germany, when Gateway choosed QNX as a future kernel for AmigaOS. 
What a pity it all failed ...

Imagine a small kernal, sever stitched together drivers, and nothing 
more than a browser with a built in frame work for the UI.  This 
would be more than good enough for 95% of people's computer needs. 
 No Linux, no OSX, no Windows.  Barely an OS at all.

MagmaOs (Rebol OS) was supposed to be like that, no? :-)

Reichart: That sounds like the old browser & OS on floppy disk demo 
that QNX had.

Maybe something for Rebol as well:


dsandler writes "Researchers at Rice University have just released 
version 0.7 

of FeedTree, a peer-to-peer system for distributing Web feeds faster. 
Instead of 

polling feeds independently, FeedTree users cooperate to share news 
updates 

using multicast in Pastry, a scalable p2p overlay network. FeedTree 
reduces the 

update delay for existing RSS and Atom feeds to a few minutes without 
putting 

extra stress on the webserver (anyone who's ever been temporarily 
banned by 

Slashdot's RSS feed knows this is a real concern). Feed publishers 
can also 

choose to push digitally signed updates for immediate, tamper-proof 
delivery to 

subscribers. The client software (download) runs on Linux, OS X, 
and Windows, 
and works with any desktop feed reader." 
 
http://rss.slashdot.org/Slashdot/slashdot?m=3816

Henrik: is Flash even installed any more?  Seems it's distributed 
with the OS nowadays.

.... on more point to UI - I really don't know, what to do with pop-ups. 
I suggest, for REBOL 3.0 View, to have rebol based windowing system, 
not to use separate native OS dialogs, or we are doomed here. Each 
view/new means new window, and ppl who are used to add-block will 
feel uncomfortable imo ....

a problem I've noticed about flash is that performance is very uneven 
under different OS'es. Macromedia...oops Adobe :-) might not prioritize 
the OSX version as highly as the Windows version. Flash for OSX is 
absurdly slow compared to other graphics engines for OSX. It alienates 
the OSX users because of those issues. REBOL/plugin may not necessarily 
suffer such crossplatform issues.

so all the point was that Flash does not necessarily mean Rebol is 
in the same league. But it was my non-knowledge - I did not know 
they can change menu, thanks for enlightenment, I thought the menu 
is the same because it (the plug-in)  is only a player .... I would 
vote for context menu, but in rebol, what is menu, right? We don't 
use native OS widgets, so just how to do it ....

as for browser preference, for me it is IE, FF, Opera, other ...., 
I can see Opera dominating embedded space (PDAs, cell-phones), but 
maybe it is because penetration of OS-X here is nearly non-existant 
... but as someone pointed out - whole world except MS uses Netscape 
API plug-in and even for IE, you can develop ActiveX, which wraps 
the same plug-in, so maybe RT would not have to develop separate 
versions .... otoh we are talking wrappers only anyway, the main 
part is View in .dll form ...

joshm: this may not be entirely related, but I'd like to see some 
kind of event throttling, because of the very varying mouse position 
sample frequency under different OS'es. too many events slows VID 
down

From an architecture perspective, an application should be able to 
handle as many events as the OS throws at it. Especially for graphics-intensive 
applications: those extra mouse events make a huge difference.

But a more elaborate benchmark may show closer results between these 
too. Size of files and OS have big impacts on the results.

Are you using the exe version or source version ? What OS ? Any crash.log 
file found ?

IIRC via set-modes/get-modes, you can know what adapter is involved. 
I am afraid there is no other way how to prevent this. Opening a 
socket is OS thing imo, and I wonder if C socket functions allow 
you to choose your device?

there are still stability issue on heavy traffic, at least on OS 
X