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OK, thanks for your time, I have to see my bed... tomorow long day 
of Irish music and maybe long night ;)

Well, if you look at the astral planes, you'll see things like music 
notes or play cards, I bet they will become quickly as much popular 
as they are useless. ;-)

If someone wants to add music, he can make a new video using gource 
and add appropriate music, I hadn't the time to  also work on the 
audio part. :-)

literaly, it reads as 'number'  it music it reads as 'sharp'  any 
other use isn't from proper english afaik.

(in music)

In business correspondence it can mean number, in Twitter speak it's 
a hashtag, in music it means someone wrote a sharp with the wrong 
character. In English, it's a symbol that means pound (the weight, 
not the currency), but it's not common anymore.

I confirm Paul's findings, if I drag'n drop %sample.wav on %play-sdl-wav.exe, 
I can hear the music on Win7.

Why is it such a problem to have some criticism, too?

 There is no problem with that, and believe me, you can't be more 
 critical on Red that I am myself. But I find it really unfair to 
 paint a bad picture of whole Red because some features that are planned 
 are not yet implemented. 


I can't go faster than the music, to get I/O done with required encoders/decoders, 
I need to setup the ports/devices infrastructure. To do that, I need 
objects support done. Also, as shown by my entries on Red Trello 
page, error! (and typeset!) support and getting a Unicode runtime 
lexer are even more prioritary to make Red "more usable for real-world 
apps". Moreover, when you manage a lot of tasks, some of them marked 
as "important" that keep been postponed because of other more urgent 
ones, will at some point become "urgent" themselves. That is what 
is happening with shared libs support, which is a blocker for getting 
Red on Android and iOS. I'll also probably make a Java bridge prototype 
this week before getting back on other Red features.

Licenses kinda sucks, don't they?


When Mozart visited the sixtin chapel in Rome in 1770, he heard a 
secret piece of music, Allegris "Miserere". From memory, he wrote 
the piece down with all 12 voices or how many, when he was back at 
the hotel. Later he received an order from the Pope. Licenses kinda 
remind me of this. Why show or play something for someone else, and 
then at the same time say, you can't use it? :)

no.. I use it just to play music and turn my pc to sleep  when I'm 
already sleeping :-)

Hi, I have a small problem playing an mp3 file 
I have so far
player: "/Applications/Vox.app/Contents/MacOS/Vox"
thissong: "/Users/Arnold/Music/A song.mp3" 
thatsong: "/Users/Arnold/Music/A-song.mp3"       
And then 
call reform [player thissong]  
call reform [player thatsong] 

Playing thissong will start the musicplayer, but no music was found 
and playing  thatsong starts the player and is being played without 
problem.

Because most of my mp3's and directories they are in have spaces 
in their names so starting to play them from REBOL gets hard this 
way.

I tried to-file thissong but this produces "%/......&20song.mp3" 
so it was not successful. (Allthough thatsong just played without 
a problem) :(
Any ideas please?

(listening to some truly demented music on the radio :)

sound:// need streaming capabilities, for both music and VoIP

I'm looking for a free server which allows rebol cgi.  I want to 
start coding a new site for all my work, rebol, music, visual arts, 
blogs, etc...  does anyone have free space/bandwidth on a server 
they can share?

In Hackety Hack (an app that teaches Ruby programming to kids) one 
of the first examples was how to use Ruby to mash up YouTube with 
the iTunes Top 10 music titles. You ended up getting a list of music 
videos for those top ten songs. It was just 5 lines or so and was 
pretty cool. I wrote an article a year ago teaching Shoes (a Ruby 
GUI toolkit) that mashed up YouTube with Twitter to show you videos 
of the current buzz on the net. Something like that is pretty easy, 
takes just a few lines, but the results are actually usable and fun.

After 4 worlds are conquered, well only the rest of the universe 
remains for me... "The world is my oyster"  Roxy Music

Bolek, that's very interesting for me because I was searching for 
just such a declarative dialect for sound generation and music composition.

Anton, I'm glad to hear that. In which way are you interested to 
use it in sound/music generation? One of my first thoughts was howe 
to use this together with Sintezar. It should probably be used for 
oscillator wavetables generation... I'm not sure.

here's one %/d/music/Astor Piazzolla/Astor Piazzolla - Adios nonino %28live%29.mp3

Congratulations tp Rebolek!!!
And now, 801!

(One of Brian Eno's early post Roxy Music projects ......I'm showing 
my age here :-)
Keep 'em coming!

These ppl can help you with many things ... from religion, to compose 
music :-)

Yes, and basic browsing and email, listening music, watching video

50mb and includes.. 


XMMS (MP3, CD Music, and MPEG), FTP client, Dillo web browser, links 
web browser, FireFox, spreadsheet, Sylpheed email, spellcheck (US 
English), a word-processor (FLwriter), three editors (Beaver, Vim, 
and Nano [Pico clone]), graphics editing and viewing (Xpaint, and 
xzgv), Xpdf (PDF Viewer), emelFM (file manager), Naim (AIM, ICQ, 
IRC), VNCviwer, Rdesktop, SSH/SCP server and client, DHCP client, 
PPP, PPPoE (ADSL), a web server, calculator, generic and GhostScript 
printer support, NFS, Fluxbox window manager, games, system monitoring 
apps, a host of command line tools, USB support, and pcmcia support, 
some wireless support.

What I'm thinking about is a webpage with several interconnected 
hierarchies ... e.g.

Germany
     Hassia
         Wiesbaden
         Frankfurt
     Bavaria
    .....

Music
   strings
        viola
        guitar
   ....


so you could search for Music in Bavaria, or strings in Germany, 
or ...

foreach url [

 http://brokenbeatassault.com/depot/files/BBA_MusicShow_Podcast_001_March_Safire.mp3
	http://dlsvr05.asus.com/pub/ASUS/vga/nVidia/nv16921_Win2KXP.zip
	http://debeveiligingsupdate.nl/audio/bevupd_0003.mp3

 http://audio.wnyc.org/radiolab_podcast/radiolab_podcast501choice.mp3

 http://ftp.iinet.net.au/pub/ubuntu-releases/kubuntu/8.04.1/MD5SUMS

 http://www.ted.com/index.php/talks/dan_gilbert_researches_happiness.html
	http://events.ccc.de/congress/2008/wiki/Streaming

 http://sites.romkids.org/virgill/albums/Bestof PC Demoscene/like a childbirth.mp3
	http://rockfactory.us/files/rebol_song.mp3
][
	port: open/binary/direct url
	print [mold port/locals/headers/Content-Length url]
	close port
]

Working on a R2 virtual piano/synth with sheet music display etc. 
 Currently reads in a song+timings and has the ability to play and 
write in Windows/etc RIFF/wav format.
http://rebol.mustard.co.nz/synth2.rfor those interested.

Synth 0.0.3 released.
http://rebol.mustard.co.nz/synth2.r

0.0.3	lots of bugfixes
	added safety error trap to play-song

 added ability to put chords inside song block as a block [C4 [C4 
 E4 G4] [E4 G4] G4...]

 please note that this still uses a single entry in the timing block
	sheet music now displays chords
	added multi-channel support (really 1 or 2 channels atm)
	8bit and 16bit sound added 
	added a new song to show chords/multi-note in operation

Making the GUI look right and not just a copy of something else is 
tricky. I often think about it. I also had to deside with Canvas, 
both for the tool panel and the requesters. I went with a very basic, 
clean style for the requesters, maybe even a bit boring.

I see two needs. One is for 'normal' application like business application, 
where the GUI shouldn't for any sake come in the way. A basic, clean 
look is needed for that. The other is 'special' application, that 
would benefit from something more eye-candy like. Examples are a 
visual remote control, or a music player.

Anton, you could try some buddhist lotus meditation, and suddently 
you'll hear wonderfull music, smell exotic odours, see never-thought-of 
colours ... and that line will look very beautiful to you! ;-)

On another topic, I often find I need symbols such as those in a 
music player (stop, forward, fast-forward, etc) and in lieu of a 
cross platform "symbol" font I'm thinking that a symbol widget using 
AGG might be the go. Would work something like:

	display "test" [
		symbol data 'square
		symbol data 'arrow-right
		symbol data 'double-arrow-right
		symbol data 'circle
		symbol data 'circle options [no-fill]
	]


so the two questions are; would this be useful, and if so what would 
constitute a good set of symbols and names?

Will... I want to make a private mp3 stream server to play music 
on a local network. So it must be solved on the server side... read 
only enough sound data from disk to play and distribute it to listeners. 
I have already the mp3 parser to get for example enough data to play 
during specified interval of time. Now it's just how to distribute 
it and don't send more data than is necessary  for the listeners.

Talk or put some music... Also turn on the light.

So organ music I think.

175Kbps. I guess is the music.

more on topic music ;)

Yes, I thought about using transcode in linux. It's a shame all the 
variations don't make MP4 use as smooth as it could be. e.g. on Linux 
Fedora4 I could only get audio+video for your experimental encoding 
(trips to rome .. BTW, what is the band playing the background music 
?) . For the other files I could only get video but no audio so I 
had to check it in windows XP SP1 (where latest quicktime  and media 
player wouldn't play them (quicktime said incompatible profile) but 
an old VLC release played them fine)

(I was playing music in the BG, I would assume that would effect 
it)

With music turned off.

I know Rebol quite well but I don't know music. Can anybody point 
me to a white paper/tutorial/newbie docs/samples that explains how 
to valorize sound/data to play some notes? Thank you.

Bob Moog, inventor of famous synthesizers, died at age 71. Sad day 
for electronic music. http://www.moogmusic.com

I got the data using a free MSX emulator (openMSX). The music come 
from the game "Auf wiedersehen Monty".

You can use a "dump PSG" functionality in openMSX to get the raw 
data (values of the registers of the PSG).

You can find lot of roms (games) for the msx wich contain cool musics 
and effects for the AY PSG on www.planetemu.net

Beware, these roms are not freeware even if you can download them 
freely.


Another way (i have not tried), is to use VortexTracker at http://bulba.at.kz/
(see http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lYdIqcqgkPMfor a demo)

wich is well designed to compose an manipulate raw data for the AY-* 
PSG.
I think many samples are given too.

i intend to fully reproduce sheet music so the format is still a 
little in teh air at the moment

would be interesting to see one :)  My next project is to decompose 
complex waves into sheet music :)

even big SBIG used parallel port back in the time we used ethernet. 
The sad thing is - no money, no music ... 4 ppl working part-time 
can't beat 80 full-time workers. But we did, for ourselves - I have 
our camera in my table ;-) And we build quite a few telescopes - 
REBOL is COOL for astronomy - dialects etc. wow ... the thing is, 
if it would be adopted ....

Thanks to rebcode I can generate 6 minutes of music in 20 seconds 
instead of 5 minutes with a standard script. Great.

I'm a newbe in music generation so ... I don't know what is self 
oscilating filter.

Thanks Rebolek, I reduce the time to produce 6 minutes 44 of music 
from 20 to 15 second.

It's to emulate the PSG AY-3-8910
Just for the fun and to understand a little about music

Yes that's right, 3 channel plus one for the noise, and square wave.

But it's enough complex to start and understand music generation 
for me.

With a simple parameter, I can switch between square wave or sine 
wave, it's quiet interresting to listen the difference.

I've heard that Enya's albums are 'enhanced' by some ELFs, but this 
may be just some urban legend (the reasoning was something like the 
music sounds so positive because it's using some brainwaves stuff, 
but maybe it's all bogus. Actually I bought two MCs from Enya some 
10-15 years ago and I cannot expect so wide freq. spectrum from cassette, 
but the music is still positive enough ;)

the next step is to  include the PSG emulation, yeah ! we will have 
music too.

some problems to recogniez the original music

For inspiration, Wright looked to the 

demo scene," a group of (mostly European) coders who specialized 
in doing a whole lot with a little bit of code. Their procedural 
programming methods were able to, for example, fit an entire 3D game 
in 64K, using mathematics to generate textures and music, etc. "I 
just found this incredibly exciting," Wright confesses, describing 
the kinds of work that he saw come out of the demo scene."


So here's what he did: he recruited an elite strike team of coders 
(who, if you were to believe his slideshow, dressed like ninjas) 
and put them in a 

hidden facility" to experiment with new ways of giving the user powerful 
tools and generating tons of dynamic content without armies of content 
creators. Best of all, he fired up a demo and showed his audience 
the results... "

this is almost a REBOL like way to create games :-)

The http://www.bluishcoder.co.nz/2006/06/unenterprisey-languages-meeting.html
meeting was mildly interesting.  Robert Strandh showed how he reimplemented 
metafont in common lisp with the main aim that he could provide print 
services for his G# music score editor.  This was implemented as 
a DSL, and printing done by converting the DSL to postscript.  Familiar??

Ashely, in addition to your list of a b c items, I would say simplicity 
is actually #1.  While immediacy is very important, people seem to 
really want and understand single word descriptions, that go no further.....Weather, 
Stock, Tasks, Music, etc.   Almost no prefs, and almost no buttons...

http://www.apple.com/hotnews/thoughtsonmusic/<-- Steve Jobs encourages 
the removal of DRM from music.

They make servers, music players, wifi hubs, displays, desktop computers 
in 3 different form factors, set top boxes, laptops, remotes, speaker 
systems, and soon they will be making phones as well.

Apple is very much a hardware company.

Steve Jobs recently asked the music industry to consider removing 
DRM

Yes, Jobs asked the music industry to remove DRM, and yet won't himself 
even when requested to do so by the artists.

If an artist or label wants to sell music on iTunes with no DRM, 
Apple won't do it. There are documented cases for this, for which 
I am too lazy to provide a link.

http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/radiolabs/2007/11/urls.shtml- this article 
was going well 'til they actually revealed their urls.  Try reading 
the music centre urls over the phone...

People should just follow the Grateful Dead.  Open Music (post Record 
Company Era) has been flourishing amongst the hippies for 40 years 
now.   ;)

There already is open music.  And glad to see that Youtube is addressing 
McCain's criticism's FINALLY.

Again the music industry finds another way to keep lawyers employed. 
:-) It just means bands and labels who give permission are the tracks 
we will here & buy. So the restrictive ones miss out on being widely 
promoted. Similar thing happened here when music industry tried to 
get paid to play their promo-videos on tv

Their is so much other music from great artist that people can download 
for free.  I don't know why people are fussing about certain artists 
getting their money.  They contracted with record companies who are 
going to get most of the money but they will definately also reap 
more money as a result of this.  Let them have their due.  Breaking 
the law is breaking the law.

I don't get it?  What is the problem?  Artist can give away their 
music if they want to.  Why should they care of others don't want 
to?

Having more people hear the music for free typically leads to more 
album sales.

music is one of (if not the) best brain training things you can do. 
 it forces every part of the brain to work together and in sync. 
 senses, reasoning, coordination, memory, reflexes.  A study showed 
that adults only learn musical instruments a bit slower than children. 
 its the practice that's the good part.   

its also one of the best anti-stress things out there.

Maxim, maybe it depends on the size of your hand and possibly a thicker 
iPhone, but I can browse photos, make calendar appointments, browse 
webpages, select music and type with one hand easily on the iPod. 
No gestures needed. I'd think I have average size hands.

This patent stuff really freaked me out at first but there seem to 
be ways to circumenvent it until (hopefully) the government kicks 
in and solves this mess. The BGH said software patents apply as soon 
as your software's design is influenced by the device it runs on, 
so if your software targets a virtual machine like Java it should 
be okay because then patents don't apply because no device influenced 
your software, you wrote it to run on software (the VM), not on a 
hardware device. That it runs on hardware is a mere coincidence but 
didn't influence you while writing the software. Could be the BGH 
will just revise their comment on this of course to also include 
virtual machines. Cross platform software could be okay too with 
this argumentation as long as you only write features that work on 
more than one device. So no iPhone specific stuff for example, but 
if the app runs without modification on an iPad, the iPhone and an 
iPod Touch it should be okay again, those are three completely different 
devices (computer, cell phone, music player) so you should be able 
to argue that you weren't influenced by them at all. You would argue 
instead that you were influenced by Cocoa Touch, which is software 
and not a device, so patents don't apply. This would also mean REBOL 
apps are okay, since your software is made to run in the REBOL interpreter 
and not on any specific device (unless you put some Mac specific 
calls in there but then you could argue you targeted the operating 
system which is software and not a device). If you can really get 
away with this kind of argumentation is a big question of course. 
The judge can decide on a whim if you're guilty or not, all the laws 
are open to interpretation for him.


I read one comment on this that gives me some hope. The german government 
uses a lot of Linux and they spent a lot of money to train their 
workers to use Linux. With this decision by the BGH, Linux is suddenly 
patent hell, so it's in the government's best interest to kick in. 
Sadly, they could just say "patents don't apply to the government" 
and be done with it.

remove copyright on music .. and get musicians to get a grant from 
general taxation

Most of the Ruby programmers I know have Mac laptops because they 
make electronic music on the side, and picked Ruby because of its 
OSX support. The rest run Linux on the desktop. Some do both.

REBOL 2 can play sounds, but I don't think you want to build a 32 
channel music tracker with it. :-)

no I have so litle time to play with R3... I barely have time to 
chat here...  life, work, kids, music, glass, et al... life is full 
enough withough R3 yet  ' :-/

btw, I like Rachid Taha's music:)

Bugs found in Firefox with Cyphre demo: 

- starts with no sound (the music started when I opened a parallel 
session with Opera, in Opera the sound is ok)

- seems there are some problems with AGG: no rotating Carl Head, 
some flash with gears, no "rebol rulez" in the sky... (Opera is ok)

- when I close firefox the music continue for 4/5 seconds (until 
the buffer is empty ?). In Opera too.

- sometimes the plugin disappear if I refresh the page. I have to 
close the browser. In Opera too.


WIn2000, nVidia GeForce4 MX 440, Firefox 1.5.0.3, Opera 9.0 beta 
build 8393

not for the music

actually, I buy all of my digital enternainment.  games, DVDs music, 
etc.  I mean, I (have/do/will) live off of all three mediums... so 
it would be a bit hypocritical for me not to encourage others in 
my own trades

I am using this site as a showcase for all of my work.  including 
web, visual arts, music, design, programming, etc.

If not, create one. We have a music group, so why not.

I think it killed them, because there music is AMAZING.

wishlist2: background music, mp3

yep  cool  I like the music.  really good quality for a flash game... 
people usually use cheesy (bad) soundtracks.

I finished it also .. great interactive music/game thing! I love 
it..

Hi James,


I've got 20 rooms set up already that I use to do live online music 
lessons on a daily basis.  I think the existing format of those rooms 
could work very well as they stand.  I'll create a special room just 
for Rebol Devcon.  I'd like to show you what I've got, to see if 
it'd work for your needs.  The audio/video conference software works 
on PC/Mac/Linux, in any browser that has a fairly recent version 
of the flash plugin installed (I believe version 6 onward will work 
- 8+ will definitely work).  Aside from flash, there's no installation 
required to use the system - just go to the designated web page. 
 It will allow anyone in the room to take turns jumping onto the 
mic/camera to speak (admin can ban unwanted users), there's a text 
chat, and I've got a really simple way of sharing screen shots already 
installed in the existing room setup.  It should take only a minute 
or 2 to show presenters how it works...


I've being doing daily live online music lessons as a part of my 
commercial music lesson business for the past 4.5 years, and this 
system is the most stable and simple that I'm aware of.  It'll work 
through just about any router/firewall configuration, and it's dead 
simple to use - visitors just go the url, and they'll hear and see 
the speaker.  If they want to be seen on camera and speak, they just 
need to have a web cam and microphone installed and working.  If 
flash is running in the browser, it'll work immediately, no download 
or installs to do.


There's a video that I send to students which explains a little about 
it:  

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_sx5qI0GWig


The online lesson page for my business, which has basic info about 
web cams, microphones, and headphones, is here:

http://rockfactory.us/OnlineLessons.html

Please let me know if you have any questions :)


> If someone will email me personally, I can start putting together 
some 

> suggestions about how to organize and manage the presentation. 
 I need

> to get an idea of what sort of software components will be needed: 

> white board, text chat, file sharing, 1-to-many/many-to-many video 

> conferencing, etc...  I'd also need to get a close estimate beforehand

> of the number of people attending, to make sure I prepare enough 

> bandwidth and available connections for the live event (If you'd 
like,

> I've got a little Rebol sign-up script that I use in my business 
to 

> let people sign up for events, you're welcome to use that if you'd 

> like, to help organize things).  Please let me know whenever you 
get a 
> chance!
>
> - Nick Antonaccoio

Nick, I would like to learn more about what you have set up (both 
the system, and even your music lessons in fact).  Please post to 
me your preferred contact info and times.

a VERY cool and somewhat, excentric, group of people hehe... nothing 
real parties at tradeshow events like siggraph... usually where the 
most sought after events...   S&M show with boobs on fire :-)  nude 
circus acts.  world-renowned dj's doing the music... ahh... those 
where the good times.

@Gregg:  when I imagine Ladislav and Cyphre working like that on 
code, I picture a slow motion movie scene with epic music  thumping 
in the background, lots of dramatic cuts between close up face shots, 
etc...

I prefer Finnish Vodka, and Finnish music :-)

Well, you need it for music and graphics. That's almost everything 
for me. I was checking the FMOD binding, and it's not so bad... at 
least if you don't need to change volume or some more advanced effects:)

Q: Will this language be an open or closed source project?


A: Long answer: The plan is to fully open source it at some point, 
when version 1 is ready. Host depending sources are open in the alpha 
release, and it may make sense to open source more and more along 
the way, like sources for the different datatypes. The IT world is 
constantly changing. My nephew just went to the Devoxx Java conference 
in Belgium. Everybody had portable Mac computers. That was very different 
just a few years ago. Who knows, what devices we'll use in 5 years? 
I like to bring my software with me to new platforms. To be able 
to support new platforms faster, open source is a good thing. But 
some things needs to be fulfilled, before I'll open source it all.

1. This isn't a hobby project. I've invested a lot of time and work 
in this project, and I need to find a way to get something back from 
all that. One option is to have a good manual ready for developers 
to buy, open source it to get a lot of developers interested, and 
make a profit that way. There may be other ways (like someone or 
some company paying me to open source or make projects in World).

2. I need to know more about the consequences of open sourcing it, 
so I can avoid any nasty surprises. Knowing more from other similar 
projects could help. I need to figure out a proper license.

3. Even if I keep the sources simple and clean, I would like to clean 
up even more, before it can be open sourced.

A: Short answer: Currently it's partly open source.

Q: What is the main target?

A: The World prompt is a very powerful tool. Being what is known 
as "network transparent" helps in the era of the Internet. Server 
scripting and client scripting are obvious uses. The ability to easily 
make dialects makes it possible to wrap the language around the problem 
instead of trying to change the problem to fit the language. Interfacing 
with other technologies ... see "Introduction" on http://world-lang.org
in a few days.

Q: Is it closer to R2, R3, RED, Topaz architecture?

A: World run its code within a custom made virtual machine (VM). 
Compiling in World compiles World sources to this VM. This happen 
when source code is run or if explicitly compiled. REBOL is always 
interpreted (AFAIK), so that's different. I'm far from an expert 
in Red and Topaz, but as I understand it, Topaz is compiled/translated 
to JavaScript. So the JavaScript engine can be seen as the VM in 
World. And Red is compiled to native code, so that's different too. 
As I see it, all these languages work differently and can complement 
each other. (Help me here, if I'm wrong in any of this.)

Q: What was the main motivation, aka - why yet another language?

A: After I've learned REBOL, I find it frustrating to program in 
most (all) other languages. The difference is like when humans moved 
from carving words in stones to using a printing press a la Gutenberg. 
Then I found, I couldn't complete projects like my Canvas RPaint 
program on all major platforms (Win32, OS X and Linux), I couldn't 
run my code on new portable devices, and I needed better performance 
with scientific applications. With my background in graphics, music 
and science, I expect the language to develop into those areas.


Q: If (you) don't have any other target, why don't you work on Red? 
Or fork a project from Red?

A: I started initial work on World in late March 2009. The first 
post in the Red group here in AltME is from 27-Feb-2011. At that 
time, World was more than 7'000 lines of C.