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3130 Bug: On Linux, CALL interferes with TCP port wakeup, 3159 Bug: 
Linux: system port interferes with TCP ports

using it for some hours to do remote calls thru tcp, works. did not 
work with older rebol. IMO fixed.

3326 Bug: CALL should accept file! datatype
does it now (linux)

3576 Bug: browse doesnt open web browser (Linux)
and 3455 are the same.

Particles & Bubbles demo are a true CPU eater under linux... refresh 
of the GUI desktop under linux drops very quickly when 2 times running 
Particles demo...

With rebview 1.2.102.4.2 (linux) im getting sometimes this during 
startup -> 
..
..
...
Type "desktop" to start desktop.
WARNING: CALL function enabled in this version.
To see most recent beta changes, type: changes?
>> REBOL console error (1)
REBOL console error (1)
REBOL console error (1)
REBOL console error (1)
REBOL console error (1)

rebolinth: what linux distro/version gives that?

Gabriele: Linux Slackware kernel 2.4.26

Maxim: "why can't AA fonts be supported on Linux ? they're supported 
on windows..."  ;-)

So before to start to will load htose things you need to know what 
is the library dependencies. On linux you can see the MAKEFILE file 
related to one of the tutorial program integred to the GTK  package 
for example and see the -l*.a entries to have a complete idea of 
the library needed and the order of library dependencies

the point is that making bridge  betwen rebol script and librari 
in the way it is actually done is good for tiny simple library but 
very a tremendous work when it touch to heavy complicated library 
that intent to abstract from the os consept and give the same way 
to code on any OS/material. Mostly Opengl and GTK for example. Both 
libraries are heavy (lot of libs lot of struct lot of types lot of 
dependencies that needs a bridge too). For OPENGL you have two way 
to work or you make a OS based I/O and windowing system example gdi32.dll 
user32.dll for windows or xlib.so for Linux and  then exploite gl* 
function that are stored in the openGL.so/dll  or you use the related 
to opengl portable set of libraries to handle window drawing and 
Mouse/Keyboard events glut.dll/so. The fact that a librarie portable 
must be a library the abstract from the OS dependencies make them 
very complicated to handle. AS we don't have the same coding effort 
on library bridge coding than other language because many reasons 
in witch the fact that library loading is a Pro functionnality and 
maybe too because the system is not enought developped. It's easier 
to make a library bridge for a language when this language allows 
type creation and have based type in this language that feets with 
the one in C/C++

while I am posting this I notice the foreign characters under Linux 
is not yet solved. Using Debian Ubuntu with brazilian ABNT2 keyboard 
layout I am not able to input some usual characters in Portuguese 
such as ´a ´e ´i ´o `u `a ^o ~a .

I am using core 2.6 under winXP .... and connecting to a Linux server 
is working OK.

What's the Linux equivalent of the windows environment variables?

In windows, it starts up another instance with the values passed 
as command line arguments
eg, launch "test" where test is a command line argument

In Linux, it appears to treat "test" as a script which it can't find.

Of course, there are still many reasons why one could not use Syllable 
for a given job, but once we make it suitable for a job, it stays 
that way. It's much easier to say if it's suitable or not, while 
with Linux, one usually fixes all problems until one hits a showstopper, 
then switches distros, only to find that one of the other problems 
is a showstopper there

And then there are the regressions, where a showstopper comes back 
or suddenly appears in a new version of the same Linux distro. We 
have had regressions in Syllable, but not many, and they're usually 
easy to fix

At the accusation of reinventing the wheel, I always reply that we 
found that in the time we personally spent fixing Linux installations, 
we might as well produce an operating system for everyone

so there's going to be one rebol3.lib for x86, usable on win, linux, 
syllable, aros whatever plus some open sourced OS wrappers?

not sure - but one lib for certain OS. There can be dependencies 
- library format for Windows .dll is surely different from .so from 
Linux, even if both do run on X86

Linux users .. please try this for me 

do http://www.compkarori.com/reb/psd2draw.r

And isn't ghostscript a standard install for most linux distros ?

Syllable uses ELF executable format like modern Linux, so there's 
a chance we would be able to use the R3 library for x86 Linux

Setting the resolution has traditionally been a problem on Linux, 
so that could be the case with that SUSE

Does anyone here have any experience with working with the Linux 
SDK ?

i believe there are bugs in launch on linux, and i don't remember 
if they are fixed for 2.6.2... let me check rambo

I didn't realise that such a fundamental thing was broken on the 
linux sdk :(

anyway, i'll test this and make sure it works. IIRC the Detective 
has issues with launch/quit on Linux too, but it hasn't been a huge 
problem for me yet.

fonts require absolute path on linux

Linux does not have any api to get to the ttf from the font name.

Do you know how to print in Linux ?

I rambo'd my Linux sdk launch problem.

Is there support for Type I fonts in Linux and View/AGG ?

Graham, re fonts on Fedora: are you sure you are using the right 
Linux version with FreeType2 support? Do you have the FreeType2 library 
installed on your Linux setup?

linux-gate.so.1 =>  (0x005ec000)
	libX11.so.6 => /usr/lib/libX11.so.6 (0x45e3e000)
	libXext.so.6 => /usr/lib/libXext.so.6 (0x45f42000)
	libXt.so.6 => /usr/lib/libXt.so.6 (0x46566000)
	libXaw.so.7 => /usr/lib/libXaw.so.7 (0x46012000)
	libXmu.so.6 => /usr/lib/libXmu.so.6 (0x465c0000)
	libstdc++.so.5 => /usr/lib/libstdc++.so.5 (0x00111000)
	libm.so.6 => /lib/libm.so.6 (0x49ad8000)
	libdl.so.2 => /lib/libdl.so.2 (0x49b01000)
	libc.so.6 => /lib/libc.so.6 (0x49999000)
	libXau.so.6 => /usr/lib/libXau.so.6 (0x49d2d000)
	libXdmcp.so.6 => /usr/lib/libXdmcp.so.6 (0x49d25000)
	libSM.so.6 => /usr/lib/libSM.so.6 (0x4a53b000)
	libICE.so.6 => /usr/lib/libICE.so.6 (0x4a51f000)
	libXpm.so.4 => /usr/lib/libXpm.so.4 (0x465d9000)
	libgcc_s.so.1 => /lib/libgcc_s.so.1 (0x4a546000)
	/lib/ld-linux.so.2 (0x48fca000)

It would be good to have a page which detailed all the issues relating 
to various flavours of Linux - particularly for those new to the 
game.

the Linux file requester needs some arrow widgets on the scroller. 
 It's very difficult to navigate a directory with lots of files.

This is the same source as on Windows.

REQUEST-FILE is just a wrapper for LOCAL-REQUEST-FILE, which is native 
on Windows and I suppose might be native on Linux.

You must post source of LOCAL-REQUEST-FILE or rambo the problem if 
it is native.

No, in linux its the old rebol-requester.

REQUEST-FILE used to be fully mezzanine.
Does the linux request-file look like this one from View 1.2.1 ?

This is the latest view on Linux .. odd that RT haven't done this.

I really wonder how many people are using Linux versions of Rebol.

I've always liked the linux'es since (although they have been more 
prone to flake out with certain hardware configs) when the os crashes, 
I can think to myself...At least no one got paid.  :)  Not like the 
old and getting rarer 250 billion dollar blue screen of death.

I'm planning to set up a linux box as my main workstation soon.

I guess I'm too used to windows .. linux still feels rather clunky 
to me.

going to download the latest linux again ...

I'm not really sure in which Linux exe Carl build or not the Freetype 
support. I only tested under Mepis distribution. I agree Carl should 
release new Linux SDK so all versions for all distros are in sync.

I've got a samba share but although I can see files there from the 
linux side, they don't show up on the windows side.  If I drop files 
to the share from the windows side, I can see them.  Is this a permissions 
thing?

Just a shout out to <b>Quanta+<b>


I think I'm starting to like KDE, and just last month I was a Gnome 
that thought it was KiddiE.

In the  had to say it  department
I think I'm settling on an environment, at least until I blink...

Debian GNU/Linux 4.0 - Thanks Ian
KDE with kdm - Thanks Matthias
REBOL - Thanks Carl
Cheyenne - Thanks Nenad
Quanta+ - Thanks Eric
Konsole - Thanks Lars
Whatever browser pops up...and the 'tousands of other net apps
Ahh, livin'.

but how do I acess files on drives other than the Root ?? (I am copletely 
new to linux, so bear with me if I am missing something completely 
obvious)

ah! - AltME did it once again. When sending message, it got grey, 
and message sent is lost (did not make it to the Linux group)

Pekr; On my Debian system, I had to do an
  apt-get install libstdc++5
to get an older sdk version running.
I don't know Fedora's package manager but under Debian you would
  apt-get install libstdc++6
to get the shared libraries required.

Under GNU/Linux, having various shared libraries around isn't great, 
but it rarely hurts things.
the ldd command will show what shared libraries are required.

The insiders are pre-planning Debian etch release parties...woohoo! 
 Debian GNU/Linux 4.0

If you haven't, you gotta.  The only cost is time.

Debian GNU/Linux 4.0 Rev 0 Released!  Happy Happy Easter.
http://debian.org

You gotta.

still kind of new to Mandriva-Linux if check and get back to you

I'm waiting for the Linux port to the Tungsten E2...that will be 
fun, with a little rebview running off an SD card.

The current port seems to be waiting on the Garnet OS group.  The 
Palm will all be running Linux soon.  Yeah soon.  Whatever that means.

brian, yes linux is not too far away they where purchased by the 
no.1 linux handheld distributor... last I heard they are writing 
a palm emulator to be able to run normal palm apps on top of the 
linux kernel.

with linux instead, then we might have a better platform, since having 
64 mb palms is pretty much the minimum for a long time.  and if linux 
can be smart and allow us to use the SD cards as ram... well then 
there is no more problems.

Often if you're running a script and you need to send an email, you 
can just use send.  But sometimes that doesn't work for various reasons 
.. like the internet connection being down.  So, I was wondering 
if it makes more sense to hand the email over the mail transport 
agent on your linux system.

Gabriele, I've just been going through
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Comparison_of_Linux_distributions


and I'm attracted to distros that aren't too far from a root distro, 
eg. Ututo based on Gentoo, or Ubuntu based on Debian. Also, I've 
tried Slackware on some older machines recently and it has spawned 
several distros, so Slackware might be good. I want to do audio work 
so I'll be looking for a kernel compiled for low-latency audio.

Shameless plug;  Debian GNU/Linux 4.0
The Debian model is the way to go with Open Source.
Don't release software before it's time.

Regardless of the "It's late! It's late!" yelling and gnashing of 
teeth.
When it comes out, it's ready to come out.


Plus (the shameless part), the more rebols that code on a Debian 
base, the happier I'll be, with scripts that work out of the box. 
 :)

Linux DLL interface question: it looks to me, that if I declare


    settimeofday: make routine! [tv [struct! []] tz [struct! []] return: 
    [integer!]] libc.so "settimeofday"

and


    tv: make struct! [tv_sec [int] tv_usec [int]] reduce [seconds 0]

then

    settimeofday tv null-struct

works, but if I do instead:


    settimeofday make struct! [tv_sec [int] tv_usec [int]] reduce [...] 
    null-struct

, then it doesn't work. Can somebody confirm this?

Building on a major distro seems nice, but this issue means that 
it's really only the major distro itself that is more or less guaranteed 
to work, as far as that's possible with Linux. So that's usually 
Debian and Ubuntu

Interesting Linux-based idea for the always-on generation....Its 
the return of the thin client!
http://www.theregister.co.uk/2007/04/17/babellinux/

For the curious.


http://kde-files.org/content/show.php/Linux+Distro+Timeline?content=44218


The artist has created a pretty nice graphical timeline of the Linix 
distributions.

4am
s/Linix/Linux/

I would like you to suggest me some Linux distribution:

Current situation:


I run old Fedora Core 1 linux, so it lacks on security updates. The 
server is used for few domains, it runs apache, old mySQL 3.5.x version, 
glftpd, sendmail (I am used to that). Server has 2 hads. Content 
of server is packed each week via script and copied to other disk.

Objectives:


- need some easy distro, graphical mode installation, which even 
monkey can configure, forget somo guru stuff, target hardening, etc.
- need mysql 5.x family, Apache 2. family

- adding new users/developers by some tool, e.g. webmin - ftp, apache 
domain, webmail (squirrel)

- needs to run rebol in cgi mode, eventual sqlite library compatibility 
welcomed

- kind of easy recovery - install from CD in graphical mode, copy 
configs, reboot, or even better - instasll some kind of loader, map 
to second hd, unpack backup, reboot. Maybe this could be automated?


Of course I have some sympathies already - stay with Fedora? Try 
Ubuntu server edition? Any other suggestion?

Thanks.

Obviously, Ubuntu has popular momentum, but if you want to stick 
with a Red Hat based distibution, CentOS is a good choice -- http://www.centos.org/.
According to DistroWatch, "CentOS is 100% compatible rebuild of the 
Red Hat Enterprise Linux, in full compliance with Red Hat's redistribution 
requirements. CentOS is for people who need an enterprise class operating 
system stability without the cost of certification and support."

(Damn Small Linux)

hummm that might be interesting linux test setup... as it runs hosted 
and takes very little ram :-)

My Windows 2003 server failed to update to service pack 2.  Either 
I find a way to revert the changes, or I need to reinstall :(

I'm thinking I should setup a Linux server and run my 2003 as vmware 
instead.  Anyone can suggest the "best" or "most" compatible linux 
platform? 

I do have Suse10 on another box and was running vmware server on 
it... but when I did some kernel updates ( I wasn't thinking ), it 
all stopped working and I have to reinstall the Suse10 again :(

I'm guessing that with linux, and vmware, you need to install both 
and never update anything on the host again!

Does vmware under linux not compile some modules during installation?
So just call the install script again and see what happens.

as long as there is a router, and you don't run too many services 
as root, Linux is pretty hard to break into.  Not impossible, just 
unlikey if you follow the hardening guidelines.  And now that I've 
said that, I'll get a rootkit in a second or two...I'll watch the 
network lights and wait...  :)

Downloaded Centos x5 cds and installed.  vmware won't install though 
as it can't find the kernel headers to recompile :(  I installed 
them to using the sottware manager.  Is linux this disorganised ??

maybe windows is the best host for linux

The REBOL console doesn't work on Linux, sadly. Although you could 
use the Windows version under Wine

Yes, running Core, or View in text mode, from the Linux shell is 
no problem

http://osnews.com/comment.php?news_id=18304&offset=0&threshold=&msg=8#257159


I love the "I wonder..." thread. It says a lot about Linux development.

Yeah. For the record, we in the Syllable project don't think this 
means much. It's a small addition to the Linux kernel that can't 
be used for much

http://apcmag.com/6735/interview_con_kolivas<--- interesting interview 
with a guy who recently quit linux kernel development. Amiga is mentioned.

as a Linux newbie, I can attest that Linux for the user is bloated.To 
get more people to use Linux,they need to put the stuff that Joe 
Sixpack wants

Linux has been there for so many years, so I don't see that happen 
in the future. Some of the code might be emigrated to other OSs with 
other designs, but then it isn't Linux anymore. As I see it, Linux 
as a desktop OS is a dead end.

I think the main thing that a lot of linux developers won't see, 
is that in the long run an "evolution" approach to development (code 
something and see if it'll float or sink), doesn't work as well as 
the "intelligent design" approach. I could see that in a discussion 
recently on OSNews.

I'm seeing Linux kernel development as this big mountain of clay 
and 100s of people are throwing pieces of clay on it to make it bigger. 
:-)

chris, I had issues with repeat key events in some apps... from win 
to linux... in maya, it just goes wild when you use the space bar 
to open the menues.... and starts switching the panes instead like 
a mad man (usually, if you just tap the space key it switches the 
current view to full view)

I've been thinking about getting a CF card to IDE adaptor and buy 
a 2 or 4 GB CF card, put it in my laptop and find a small Linux distro 
that doesn't use swap.

Anyone, who has bought a Playstation3? Any good games? Tried to install 
Linux on it? I've played Motorstorm and Oblivion at my nephews place. 
Good experience! :-)

a ps3 with linux is something that i want to eventually try... (well, 
a ps3 with rebol/os would be better, but...)

I would not mind have the linux kernel with a rebol dektop running 
over it :-)

What's your impression? Do you have prior experience with Linux to 
compare it with? How is performance compared to a PC with/without 
hardware accelerated graphics?

Well, I don't have much experience with Linux so I wouldn't be able 
to judge but it works so that is a start. I don't think that it is 
optimized to take advantage of the graphics HW but I could be wrong. 
We have 1080p projector so seeing a 12 foot wide browser is pretty 
cool. I've pretty much decided that it will be my next "Amiga" as 
a couple of guys at work now have PS3's. I just bought some parts 
for a new PC Build but the next comp will be a PS3. Apparently they 
are coming out with a better Cell chip.

2 Mac mini (PPC) with 23" Cinema displays plus an iBook with Parallels 
running WinXP. The whole lot is networked via AIrport Express to 
an ADSL modem and a Brother MFC-8840D. I've had no problems and zero 
downtime for over two years. I switched from Windows/Linux about 
two years ago and haven't looked back. Some of the business advantages 
include:

	- Almost silent operation
	- Low power consumption
	- Small footprint
	- Zero admin
	- The WOW! factor when clients see your setup
	- Cheap
	- Out-of-the-box solution (no extra s/w required)


In fact, the only software I have purchased is iWorks and .Mac membership. 
The one issue I have is with Spreadsheets on the Mac minis. I don't 
want to use/pay for MS*Office and iWorks does not have a spreadsheet, 
so I'm using NeoOffice (aka OpenOffice) which is SLOWWWWW on PPC 
hardware. Works well on the (Intel) iBook though. I'll upgrade the 
Mac minis to Intel when Apple refreshes the line (probably when they 
release Leopard later this year).


Parallels is a must if, like me, you have to run or support legacy 
software running on Windows. Coherence mode puts the Windows task 
bar directly on the Mac OSX desktop and enables you to run Windows 
programs directly from it. It's hardware virtualization so it's fast, 
and removes the need for multiple machines. The ability to cut&paste 
directly from a Mac app to a Windows one is also pretty handy.


Bottom line is, if you like to play and endlessly tinker with stuff 
then WIndows/Linux is the way to go; if you want a tool that just 
works then get a Mac.

Yep...I'm with Ashley.  If you want a computer to use, get a Mac. 
 If you want to stick it to the man, use GNU/Linux, but do so knowing 
that whizbang feature X will be lacking or require gnome level tinkering.

If you want to be a lemming, go Windows, sorry I mean, if you like 
mainstream, go Windows.

linux + wine works better than i had expected. but, of course, linux 
has its pains too, so only go for it if you know what to expect.

Ashley, can you explain in a little more detail how your setup works 
for you?

 Sure. I run a home office with two studies. Each has a Mac mini (plus 
 Cinema display) for day-to-day work. My study also has a TabletPC 
 connected to a 1280x1024 VGA LCD display. I use this for REBOL development 
 and demos away from home.


The iBook is located in the other study and is used by my better 
half when running Windows software related to our finance company 
(CRM/Sales software distributed via the professional body we belong 
to, no Mac or Linux option available). We also use the iBook when 
showing non-IT people stuff (e.g. a spreadsheet showing how much 
their portfolio could be worth if they geared it) and when attending 
training sessions.


The ADSL modem has an ethernet connection to Airport express, which 
in turn has the MFC plugged into its USB slot. The Mac's pick up 
the printer automatically, the TabletPC runs Bonjour and does the 
same. Everything, including the TabletPC, detected the Network without 
issue. It really has been as simple as, 1) Unpack, 2) Plug-in, 3) 
Use. I've also noticed that WinXP running on the iBook is a lot faster/smoother 
than on the TabletPC as it installs 'clean' (i.e. piggy-backs off 
the Mac's Network and Hardware support).


Large screens are a must if you write and or read a lot of documents. 
A 1920x1200 screen lets you do a slideshow on a PDF document and 
read the pages side-by-side. On wide screens I always have the task-bar/dock 
on the right to maximize the vertical display area.

Are you sure OS-X is better than Vista? OS-X is friendly Linux, no? 
Why not e.g. Ubuntu? :-)

Wrapping the windows printing api doesn't help linux users :)

It wouldn't be the wrapping of the Windows API that would help Linux 
users, it would be his initial work on making a Draw-like printing 
dialect. Defining the dialect is a large part of the process of supporting 
printing in REBOL. There will be non-Windows-specific parts of Doc's 
implementation that can be adapted to a general printing model for 
REBOL, one that can have multiple implementations with different 
backends. For that matter, there would need to be at least 3 backends: 
GDI (for Windows), Postscript (for Ghostscript) and PDF (for Mac 
Quartz), with a possible XPS backend as a minor variation on the 
PDF one.

For information, I've successfully tested direct printing in Linux 
and OS X using PostScript format documents and CUPS as backend. I'm 
currently trying to implement a Draw dialect compiler targeting PS. 
Unix and OS X support wasn't needed for my project, but I couldn't 
resist to give it a try ;-).