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Good site with alot of good info - >  http://www.doctorfungus.org/index.htm

About 50k of REBOL/Core source. Build as a relative level and an 
index level on top of that - top-most a full relational DB. I've 
also started a SQL interface, but I'm not sure, if I wanna finish 
that part. :-)

on UML.


my take on that is it can consume a lot of time and energy.... as 
engineers try to 'perfect' their model.


Personally, I use FLiP process ( http://www.fusebox.org/index.cfm?&fuseaction=methodology.steps
) or Fusebox for short.

It makes it easier for end users to understand.

Pekr,

I think you might find the following interesting

Object Role Modeling (ORM)
http://www.orm.net/index.html
http://www.objectrolemodeling.com/

Responsibility-Driven Design
http://www.wirfs-brock.com/pages/home.html

Responsibility-based Modeling

http://alistair.cockburn.us/crystal/articles/rbm/responsibilitybasedmodeling.html

DideC, I moved site. You must update. Do this, then try again:

load-thru/update http://www.reboltech.com/index.r[folder "Anton"]

(and sorry about that - one day soon, all this will not be necessary)

#3709-3710: sorry, got confused by linearity of image! mixed with 
useful pair! shortcuts. For #3709, I was thinking about "copy image 
from index to end" without getting out of bounds.

hangs here. first guess is, /skip steps behing the array, and that 
is not checkt. the it starts looking through hole memory. length 
of string is odd, step 2. maybe rebol tests "index = length" instead 
of "index <=  length".

http://bugs.splitbrain.org/index.php?project=1

It require bidirectinnal pointer:
- parent -> child (we have that : parent/child-index)
- child -> parent (we DON'T have that !)
You have to hold the reference yourself.

must be http://www.compkarori.com/soap/index.shtml

I want to get in a Rebol script what I print on a standard windows 
printer.

I use Redmon (part of ghostview) to redirect what the printer get 
to my rebol script
RedMon : http://www.cs.wisc.edu/~ghost/redmon/index.htm
I'm under Windows.

How can I get data from the standard input ?

I have tried "copy system/standard/input" and also "input", but get 
nothing !!
plis help ;-)

http://vbnet.mvps.org/index.html?code/fileapi/folderdatetime.htm
for visual basic, googled "windows change directory date api"

If anyone ever wanted multi-methods or function overload in rebol 
here is the answer. Enjoy ;-)

REBOL []

define-method: func [
	'name [word!] spec [block!] locals [block!] code [block!]

 /local w type-rule spec-rule continue? register-name methods-name
][
	;; first validate the spec
	continue?: [none] ;used to stop parsing

 type-rule: [set w word! (unless datatype? attempt [get w] [continue?: 
 [end skip]])]
	spec-rule: [some [word! into [type-rule continue?]]]
    unless parse spec spec-rule [make error! "invalid spec"]

	register-name: to-word join :name '-register
	methods-name: to-word join :name '-methods?
	unless value? name [
		
		context [
			dispatch-table: copy []
			
			spec-fingerprint: func [spec [block!] /local types][
				types: copy []
				foreach itm extract/index spec 2 2 [insert tail types itm/1 ]
				types
			]
			
			values-fingerprint: func [values [block!] /local types][
				types: copy []
				foreach v values [insert tail types type?/word v]
				types
			]
			

   retrieve-func: func [values [block!]][select/only dispatch-table 
   values-fingerprint values]
			
			set :name func [values [block!]][
				do compose [(retrieve-func values) (values)]
			]
			
			set :register-name func [spec code /local fingerprint pos][
				fingerprint: spec-fingerprint spec
				either found? pos: find/only dispatch-table fingerprint [
					poke dispatch-table 1 + index? pos function spec locals code
				][

     insert tail dispatch-table reduce [fingerprint function spec locals 
     code]
				]
			]
			
			set :methods-name does [probe dispatch-table]
		]
	]

	do reduce [register-name spec code]
]

define-method f [x [integer!]] [] [x + 1]
define-method f [s [block!]] [] [attempt [pick s 2]]
define-method f [x [decimal!]] [] [sine x] 

f[5] == 6
f[[one two three]] == two
f[90.0] == 1.0

If you check the ML topic index  for pop, you'll find 


http://www.rebol.org/cgi-bin/cgiwrap/rebol/ml-display-thread.r?m=rmlFSJQ

http://www.rebol.org/cgi-bin/cgiwrap/rebol/ml-display-thread.r?m=rmlQGBQ

http://www.rebol.org/cgi-bin/cgiwrap/rebol/ml-display-thread.r?m=rmlQGBQ

Each of which contains the answer.

Working with INDEX? often, it annoys me that it can't handle none! 
values. If I for example want the index for a value and in some cases 
the value can't be found:

index? find [a b c] 'd


FIND returns none!, which INDEX? can't handle. I would have liked 
to see INDEX? also return none! or false! (like FOUND?) rather than 
an error. It gives a better flow and the same opportunity for checking 
on your FIND result, but you don't need to handle the error.


The reason I'm pointing this out is that some functions tend to go 
hand in hand, such as INDEX? FIND, and I think it would be nice that 
no errors ever occurred here in all naturally occuring states.


LENGTH? can sometimes be a bit of a pain with that too. What do you 
think?

but when you found nothing, there is no index. 0 would give syntactically 
valid results, letting the rest of the program run. just doing wrong 
things. none will at least led to trapping it.

thinking about it, when using series instead of indices, it bails 
out on using, not immediate too. maybe index? pasing none is k.

Not finding a value is not necesarily and error, that the reason 
find returns NONE. But it is an error to request the index of none.

That is true but that just means that it may not be the way you want 
to handle it.  I think Ladislav is correct here.  In some situations 
it may not be bad to continue with a bad index value but I think 
the majority of the time then you need to cancel what you are doing 
if the index is not available, hence an error.

Jaime: for INDEX? used alone, that may be true. But asking the position 
of a value in a series and asking the index of a value in a series 
are, IMHO, the same question.

But then you run right back into the problem of having to check for 
a NONE value on the index variable because the code using it is undoubtedly 
going to fail on NONE because it is expecting a Number.  Any way 
you look at it you are going to end up needing to check for that 
NONE value.

since i rarely use index when i can use series, i don't know how 
important thatis.

The only time I've found it useful to use index is when using values 
in one series as a key to values in another series. Kind of rare 
when you have select/skip, but sometimes you don't want to modify 
the data series. All right, since RAMBO says that there are problems 
with select/skip right now, maybe not so rare.

the result is more or less valid. think you insert something in the 
block, then rebol will hapilly fetch at that index.

Well, if you consider index? find to be another way of saying find/index 
(if such a thing existed) then I can see why you would let it accept 
none. If you consider index? to be a seperate function, then accepting 
none would just be propagating an erroneous condition. Remove should 
definitely accept none because it's not much of a stretch to change 
its meaning from "remove here" to "remove here if there is something 
to remove, no-op if inapplicable", the same behavior it has as in 
 remove tail series.

Don't bother, I have loaded qml-ed already, wihtout changing the 
dir, and moving files manually after.

(I had the same error  than volker, but solved it by unchecking the 
images files in repack and downloaded only "template.html")

qml-ed not there
 -- How often is the Rebol index files rebuilded ?

Sunanda: i keep the list of know words external to the script. there's 
a link to it from the html doc i posted (look for the #include directive 
and click on it). there's also a script that generates that file 
(apache directory index is enabled for that dir, so you'll be able 
to see it there)

Would it be useful to index the files? That way you could extract 
keywords on posting rather than at search time.

We do index the files, and we have several indexes, some built by 
parsing parts of the script. So we can, usually, search for special 
parts of scripts -- like strings or comments.

Part of the difficulty is that there are some scripts that we cannot 
do a 'load or a 'load/header on - they are broken or have an incompatible 
'needs: header. So we cannot add those scripts to the sepcialised 
indexes. They need specialised handling :-)

Watch this space -- I'm fiddling with some code that may partially 
need your need.

For that matter, do you index line comments separately, as LOAD filters 
them out?

Yes, we also index comment lines separately. Basically, we use the 
same logic as Carl's color-code.r to analyze the parts of a script:

  http://www.rebol.org/cgi-bin/cgiwrap/rebol/view-script.r?script=color-code.r

Just replied to a Feedback message sent to REBOL.org about the Script 
Library:
 
> When will the current script library "die"?

[The questioner suggests that R3 incompatibilities may mean we simply 
purge all R2 scripts to create an R3-only Library]

My response......

Thanks for the question. The simple answer is: I hope never.

***


Coincidentally, I have just started an exercise in seeing how many 
of my contributions to the Script Library will port with few or no 
changes.  The results are encouraging so far:
   http://www.rebol.org/art-display-article.r?article=j26z


I know some of my scripts will be obsoleted by R3. They can stay 
in the Library as R2-only resources.  I am hoping many of the rest 
will be code compatible between R2 and R3, so they will work either 
way.

***

Ladislav has also commented on his early porting experience:
  http://www.rebol.org/art-display-article.r?article=w24v

There is some discussion of the issue on the REBOL3 AltME world:
  http://www.rebol.org/aga-display-posts.r?post=r3wp453x15753

***

The Library has a flexible tagging method for scripts, see:
   http://www.rebol.org/st-topic-index.r

We can very easily add tags for (say)
   R3-ready
   R2-only


Or whatever seems the best set to help partition the scripts into 
R2, R3, or both.

Hope that helps a little!

We lost no data.


But we lost the site for a little while.....Little things like this 
built up:
    -- you try to login
    -- we update your last-active time

    -- but that file write completely trashed your user-profile record
Or:
  -- we upload some more posts from this AltME world

  -- as we write them into our index data structures, it corrupts the 
  index, thus making the whole
     AltME archive unavailable.

Corrupt-on-write is a hard mode to recover from :-)

Perhaps index by month??

No many tagged yet :)
  http://www.rebol.org/st-topic-index.r?i=r3

If you add a new script, yoy can add a (say)
  library: [r3: 'tested]
tag, and that will be picked up and used in the tag index.


The problem with updating the tags in the headers of existing scripts 
is that it is long-winded: you need to physically upload a new version.

Better just to retag via the [edit tags] link.

http://www.rebol.net/plugin/demos/index.htmllike these

BTW: The above functions keep sel-start as a lower index position 
than sel-end. These can be either way with highlight

Now, the tricky thing with modifying parts of a string in a parse 
rule is that you have to leave the current parse index at the end 
of your new replacement string.

What usually happens is you parse up to your search string, set a 
marker (here it's done with p1:), parse through your search string, 
set another marker (p2:), then

 	(remove/part p1 p2
	insert p1 "my new string")


but if the the new string is shorter or longer than the old string, 
then the parse index will be left in the wrong position.

So to fix that we need to set p2 to p1 plus the length of the new 
string, then set the parse index to that position so it can continue 
as intended:

	(p2: p1 + length? new-string) :p2


So the full example above can modify links in place if you simply 
replace:

	(append images copy/part p1 p2)

with something like:

 	(
		old-string: copy/part p1 p2
		new-string: "create your new link from the old one here"
		remove/part p1 p2
		insert p1 new-string
		p2: p1 + length? new-string
	) :p2

some possible solutions here - http://forums.oscommerce.com/lofiversion/index.php/t148268.html

http://www.izarc.org/index.html

http://www.us.debian.org/CD/netinst/index.en.html

http://www.gentoo.org/proj/en/base/amd64/howtos/index.xml?part=1&chap=2
thats how to run 32bit on 64bt gentoo. not too easy, but possible.

Carl's answer - http://www.reboltalk.com/forum/index.php/topic,304.0.html

this is the message I get: Not Found


The requested URL /cgi-script/magic.cgi/index.rhtml was not found 
on this server.

Apache/2.2.3 (Debian) PHP/4.4.4-8+etch3 Server at 192.168.1.100 Port 
80

Yep, that was it.  Mediapartners-Google/2.1 submitted the form again. 
 It looks like if you have the Google search bar, it submits all 
your internet traffic to google, who then go and try and index that 
site - including submitting your email address to a form!!

Another story on Win:

Anybody noticed any differences in instalation of Rebol on MS IIS 
6.0 and IIS 5.0?

It looks like all things is the same but I am getting on my test.r 
 "The page cannot be found", while index shows that test.r is there.

there is only one file upload in the examples - http://box.lebeda.ws/~hmm/rswf/index.php?example=142

I just looked at the Eudora web site and this is a big problem with 
Eudora.  They tell how to delete the index files to let the program 
rebuild them. But if that doesn't work they say:


If the mailbox does not display your old mail or if Eudora crashes, 
the mailbox is irreparably damaged or corrupted.


You can make a final ditch effort to try to recover the text of the 
email. With Eudora completely closed, go to the backup of the .MBX 
that you saved in Step #4 above. Open that .MBX with a Text Editor, 
like Notepad or Wordpad. If there's any recoverable data, a Text 
Editor may be able to read it.

A little success. I used a text editors to copy the contents of out.mbx.001 
and out.mbx.002 to the end of out.mbx. Then deleted the out.toc index 
file. Started Eudora, and now I can see the emails. Hopefully I'm 
now be able to send them.

@Chris, I made a HTML3.2 dialect in REBOL at one point. It uses keywords 
for the optional parameters, and the order or parameters is irrelevant. 
You can find it, if you start REBOL/View desktop and goto http://home9.inet.tele.dk/johnn/index.r


Not much documentation there, I'm afraid, but you can see a small 
example in the text file at the site. The good thing with the html32 
dialect is, that it'll always produce 100% correct html code. If 
the input has error, you'll see a message.

Look at %vt-index.r in the desktop-source. its only drawback is, 
the last value counts, instead of insisting on a 'once.

I have recently started testing with Rebol/View 1.3, and decided 
to

purchase Rebol/SDK.  I have a function in one of my scripts that 
was
working in View during testing, but as soon I start using the SDK
binaries it no longer... um... functions.


In the function, I am trying to set a value in an array using an 
index
variable.

In view, I could do:
   values/:index: value
But in the SDK, I get:
   ** Syntax Error: Invalid word -- :index:

Again, any help would be appreciated.

Thank you,
robert w. dumond

http://www.zvon.org/xxl/DOM2reference/Output/index.html

No worries, again this seems straightforward -- http://www.zvon.org/xxl/DOM2reference/Output/index.html

Thx ! Now I recall the article... As I thought, Carl is aiming to 
RIF: "RIF (index file) records will have the option of storing in 
REBin format". But you were right, RIF could be a solution for the 
data storage. Let's hope it will exists by Nov 14 :-)

Has anyone written anything to format/index XML documents?

/indent .. not index

The the laptop I have been eyeing:


http://www.xtremenotebooks.com/index.php?section=specs&model_id=1054


But it is too expensive for me. Does anyone know of a similar one 
at a cheaper price?  Or perhaps someone knows that  this would not 
be a good choice anyway. I'm open for suggestions. I just need a 
big, high resolution screen, large harddrive, and lots of speed. 
I'm not particularly worried about weight.

Release 15 of the OpenClipart library is out: http://www.openclipart.org/downloads/index.php
... over 4,000 high-quality *public domain* SVG images!

also remember that find, does not copy the series, it returns the 
serie at a different index.

Now that I think of it, I probably do not need to manuipulate a Count 
variable  -- I can probably use INDEX right?

pixel_face: make face [
    size: pixel_size
    edge: none
	color: black
    data: 0
]

...

pane-func: func [face index] [
    index: (index - 1)
    either integer? index [
        if index < ((grid_size/x) * (grid_size/y)) [
        	xx: (index // (grid_size/x)) + 1
        	yy: to-integer ((index / (grid_size/x)) + 1)
            pixel_face/data: index
            pixel_face/offset/y: ((yy - 1) * (pixel_size/y))
            pixel_face/offset/x: ((xx - 1) * (pixel_size/x))
            pixel_face/color: pick paleta sprite-colors/:yy/:xx
            return pixel_face
        ]
    ][
 ;       return to-integer index/y / 20 + 1
    ]
]

key-event: func [face event] [
    if event/type = 'key [
	            switch event/key [
                        up [cursor_y: cursor_y - 1]
	            		down [cursor_y: cursor_y + 1]
                        left [cursor_x: cursor_x - 1]
                        right [cursor_x: cursor_x + 1]

                       ]
           		sprite-colors/:cursor_y/:cursor_x: 2
	            show grid
            ]
    if event/type = 'time [
		? now/time
    	cursor_color: (3 - cursor_color)
   		sprite-colors/:cursor_y/:cursor_x: :cursor_color
        show grid
	]
    event
]
 
insert-event-func :key-event

grid: make face [
    offset: ((screen_size - window_size) / 2)
    size: window_size
    rate: 00:00:05
    color: blue
    effect: [gradient]
    pane: :pane-func
]

view/new grid
do-events

In rebcode, the pick opcode can be used with both binaries and images. 
If you have an image, it's rgb values can be reached as image/rgb, 
and that is a binary serie. Each value is 0-255, and you then have 
to multiply the index by 3 and use an offset to reach the red, green 
or blue component of a pixel. It's also possible to work on the image 
as an image! datatype, and then it's not necessary to multiply the 
index by 3, as the full pixel is addressed, but the value isn't a 
tuple, as we're used to, but the binary version of a tuple as an 
integer. E.g. green (0.255.0 or #{00ff00}) is 65'280.


Now to my questions. Are there shortcuts or tricks to make it easier 
to work with pixel-valus in rebcode? Should it be possible to use 
tuples, or will that slow things down too much? What do others do?

these days telescope control should all be "ASCOM" compliant

http://ascom-standards.org/index.html

Internally, the opcodes are words that are bound to the system/internal/rebcodes 
context by the assembler. Then those bound words are used as an index 
internally to the implementation. No evaluation is involved at runtime.

Native OLE DB provider ... has a free version http://www.ibprovider.com/eng/index.html

So, perhaps a way for users with /Pro to obtain database access without 
odbc ?

This is in response to Philippe Legoff in RebolTalk
http://www.reboltalk.com/forum/index.php/topic,335.0.html

Javascript needs a Rebol dialect, hmm -- 
http://www.crockford.com/JSON/index.html
http://www.crockford.com/javascript/remedial.html
http://www.crockford.com/javascript/recommend.html

Close, but not quite...

http://projects.star.t.u-tokyo.ac.jp/projects/MEDIA/xv/index.html

AGG 2.4 released - some things redesigned, it is major version update. 
It now allows to render Flash path curves data directly - http://www.antigrain.com/news/index.html

We have got another competition for View? PythonCard - http://pythoncard.sourceforge.net/index.html

FreeBasic - completly free variant of BASIC with surprising level 
of features - http://www.freebasic.net/index.php/about

Adobe Apollo  http://labs.adobe.com/wiki/index.php/Apollo

This is basically LSL and PHP code that can be used to communicate 
between an object in SecondLife and your web server.
http://rpgstats.com/wiki/index.php?title=ExampleRPC2PHP

Is sun going to be the technology leader instead of IBM? - http://www.sun.com/emrkt/blackbox/index.jsp

http://www.reboltalk.com/forum/index.php/topic,304.0.html
See Carl's answer.

After 7 year, Walter Bright (who did the Zork & Symantec C++ compilers) 
has release V1.0 of D. http://www.digitalmars.com/d/index.htmlVery 
cool system, and much more handy than C/C++ compiler. There is a 
GCD version as well.

I was just reading the User Guide on that site and I noticed that 
there were some parts of the docs on the DESCRIBE function that you 
seemed to have some questions about, particularly the meaning of 
some of the returned columns. (Sorry if I am in error about that.)


- On the table column listing, the notnull column refers to whether 
you are allowed to insert a NULL in that column. The pk column tells 
you whether the column is a primary key. Primary keys in SQLite are 
always integer and are their way of doing autonumber fields.


- On the indexes listing, a unique index also makes sure that the 
combination of values that the index applies to won't be duplicated 
in the table.

Still, here they are (best estimate based on reading the SQLite C 
source):

- id: The index of the foreign key in the list of foreign keys for 
the table, 0-based (integer)

- seq: The index of the column referenced in the foreign key, 0-based 
(integer)
- table: The name of the referenced table (string)
- from: The column name in the local table (string)
- to: The column name in the referenced table (string)

extract/index DESCRIBE "table" 6 2

there is one thing I really don't like about sqlite - it stores everything 
into one file. I want one file for table, one file for index, as 
with mysql, because for me it means simplicity - I can just look 
into file system and see how big some table is, or selectively backup 
some tables .... mySQL works that way IIRC

Louis: if you are on os x, this one work pretty neat http://www.hexcat.com/deepvacuum/index.html
, it will dl the whole site and rewrite urls to make them relative, 
or you coud try with acrobat pro if you want a pdf version of the 
site

C:\.SQLite>wget -r -l 1 http://www.sqlite.com/index.html
--23:27:13--  http://www.sqlite.com:80/index.html
           => `www.sqlite.com/index.html'
Connecting to www.sqlite.com:80... connected!
HTTP request sent, awaiting response...
23:27:14 ERROR -1: Malformed status line.

... and they definitely should completly remove their claim that 
1 file for db is an advantage. That is the most serious obstacle 
of sqlite ... simplicity comes via ability to easily backup ... one 
file per index, table ...

A bit OT: Has anybody an idea how a "schema driven" database export 
does/could work?


I have an applicaiton that uses some tables, and records are linked 
by primary index IDs. Now I want to export a record and all its dependend 
records either into a new database or over the network to some other 
process.


Because ID ranges are different in the export target database or 
on the remote server, I need to rewrite the old IDs with the new 
ones.


At the moment I have a hand written, very app specific (and error 
prone) function for this. But I would like to do this in a much more 
generic fashion. Maybe just specifcing the relationship with some 
simple dialect and than have a generic function collecting everything.

Is it the "Index of Operators" in the link, you gave?

But the advantage of the system right-click menu is, that can be 
out of Rebol boundaries. So maybe it's still worth to think about 
it. Here is example how it's possible to use user defined context 
menu in Flash: http://box.lebeda.ws/~hmm/rswf/index.php?example=127

(and he does the artwork, based on stuff found here: http://reinerstileset.4players.de/index.html
)

From @MaxV
New Rebol plugin for R2: 
you can visit: http://www.maxvessi.net/rebsite/plugin/index.html

to test if it works, tha pages contain some scripts. If you want, 
I can adder more...

new release of liquid: 

to download the file:          http://www.rebol.org/cgi-bin/cgiwrap/rebol/download-a-script.r?script-name=liquid.r

for some docs on liquid:   http://www.pointillistic.com/open-REBOL/moa/steel/liquid/index.html

I've not had a chance to play with it yet, Max.

I suspect many of the downloads will be bots that like to index new 
content.....Not people passing by to check the scripts. New/changed 
scripts get prominent home page billing, so the bots come flocking 
to feast.

Is there a way to hook into the attach function?  I want to build 
a pipe-server that handles multiple values but I want to be able 
to hook up the input plugs in any order and in some cases not have 
a plug for any given value.  To accomplish this I want to create 
a block that tells me which order the plugs are connected in so that 
I can use the index to select the correct plug from the server's 
liquid.

My Cheyenne installation has been modified, but I've noticed crashes 
when adding a trailing slash to an existing file (eg. http://cheyenne/index.html/). 
 I think this happens out the box in mod-static -- when you do info? 
%/path/to/file.r/ and file.r exists, it will return info/type of 
'file but when you read %/path/to/file.r/ you get an error.  Is this 
correct? -- view 1.3.50.3.1 core 2.7.0

Hotel Excelsior http://www.hotels-paris-hotels-france.com/2-stars-hotels/_paris-hotel-excelsior/Hotel-paris-index-Eng.htm

Is the link to teh video feed ON the website?  As in here somewhere? 
 http://devcon2007.rebdocproj.org/index.html

Lots of games on the ML:

http://www.rebol.org/cgi-bin/cgiwrap/rebol/ml-topic-index.r?i=games

I must say, that the original Rebol version of the re-box is from 
Dockimbel (http://softinnov.org/rebol/rebox.shtml) I just took his 
level data and made a little bit more complicated graphics. And the 
avatar and some of the ferniture used is from one of my favorite 
Amiga games - DreamWeb - http://www.adventureclassicgaming.com/index.php/site/reviews/221/

Has anyone got experience with this Texturing Tool?
http://www.mapzoneeditor.com/index.php

May I suggest that:


- Starting with just cold metal - metal is not a single colour.  
You are seeing many colours at all times, and different patches of 
colour everywhere.  You are seeing colours reflected and you need 
a coefficient table to calculate the reflection index.  Copper for 
example would lean heavily towards red.


- Next, heated metals are the same, meaning, not a single colour 
either, but now for a different reason.  But to produce the illusion 
of something burning hotter and hotter will require something that 
is multi-pass, and changing constantly.


In video games to produce the afterburner on a jet we did a few tricks:


- The jet flame itself was made of a cone-like shape (maybe a dozen 
polygons).

- The cone was set with an alpha channel so that the source was close 
to opaque, and the tip was close to translucent.

- A second cone was placed around the first cone, but just slightly 
larger.

- They both undulated at all times.  In other words, the length was 
always changing for both cones independently just slight.  And when 
the jet went faster and slower, they changed from long to flat (with 
the plane itself).

- The textures on the polygons were already a rainbox of colours, 
but as the jet changed what it was doing, the colour pallet was changed. 
 Again, both cones were not always changed at the exact same time.

- Just behind the jet (but depending on your angle of view), several 
filters (polygons that read the bg info and render again) would be 
used to create a small waiver and a refocusing.  The more GPU you 
had, the more of this you could do, and the better the final effect 
would look.

- Lastly, and this is what makes the whole thing amazing in a 3D 
game.  We are always checking the location of bright things, such 
as the sun, or things like the after burner filling your screen. 
 If so, we change the contrast of the whole world, and flare out 
your iris.  In the case of the sun we throw up a lens flare, and 
darken all the ships in the sky.

Even as a 2D problem, you should attach this the same way.

This video I think drives this all home for you.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mHL94qQgl_8&feature=related

NickA:<...are there any other lists here on Altme or elsewhere that 
I should be checking?>

I've posted an announcement on REBOLTalk. If there is any comments 
/ questions there, I'll prod you.
http://www.reboltalk.com/forum/index.php/topic,2728.0.html