AltME groups: search

Good site with alot of good info - >  http://www.doctorfungus.org/index.htm

About 50k of REBOL/Core source. Build as a relative level and an 
index level on top of that - top-most a full relational DB. I've 
also started a SQL interface, but I'm not sure, if I wanna finish 
that part. :-)

on UML.


my take on that is it can consume a lot of time and energy.... as 
engineers try to 'perfect' their model.


Personally, I use FLiP process ( http://www.fusebox.org/index.cfm?&fuseaction=methodology.steps
) or Fusebox for short.

It makes it easier for end users to understand.

Pekr,

I think you might find the following interesting

Object Role Modeling (ORM)
http://www.orm.net/index.html
http://www.objectrolemodeling.com/

Responsibility-Driven Design
http://www.wirfs-brock.com/pages/home.html

Responsibility-based Modeling

http://alistair.cockburn.us/crystal/articles/rbm/responsibilitybasedmodeling.html

DideC, I moved site. You must update. Do this, then try again:

load-thru/update http://www.reboltech.com/index.r[folder "Anton"]

(and sorry about that - one day soon, all this will not be necessary)

#3709-3710: sorry, got confused by linearity of image! mixed with 
useful pair! shortcuts. For #3709, I was thinking about "copy image 
from index to end" without getting out of bounds.

hangs here. first guess is, /skip steps behing the array, and that 
is not checkt. the it starts looking through hole memory. length 
of string is odd, step 2. maybe rebol tests "index = length" instead 
of "index <=  length".

http://bugs.splitbrain.org/index.php?project=1

It require bidirectinnal pointer:
- parent -> child (we have that : parent/child-index)
- child -> parent (we DON'T have that !)
You have to hold the reference yourself.

must be http://www.compkarori.com/soap/index.shtml

I want to get in a Rebol script what I print on a standard windows 
printer.

I use Redmon (part of ghostview) to redirect what the printer get 
to my rebol script
RedMon : http://www.cs.wisc.edu/~ghost/redmon/index.htm
I'm under Windows.

How can I get data from the standard input ?

I have tried "copy system/standard/input" and also "input", but get 
nothing !!
plis help ;-)

http://vbnet.mvps.org/index.html?code/fileapi/folderdatetime.htm
for visual basic, googled "windows change directory date api"

That was deliberate -- multiple searches may be clutter up the page.

On the other hand, they may not --- I've put them back, so you can 
compare:
http://www.rebol.org/cgi-bin/cgiwrap/rebol/index.r

I've got all these in my public cache:
proton.cl-ki.uni-osnabrueck.de/fuzzy-k-means.r
proton.cl-ki.uni-osnabrueck.de/html-viewer/html-viewer.r
proton.cl-ki.uni-osnabrueck.de/REBOL/fx5-menu.r
proton.cl-ki.uni-osnabrueck.de/REBOL/fx5-request-file.r
proton.cl-ki.uni-osnabrueck.de/REBOL/fx5-styles-test.r
proton.cl-ki.uni-osnabrueck.de/REBOL/fx5-styles.r
proton.cl-ki.uni-osnabrueck.de/REBOL/irc-client.r
proton.cl-ki.uni-osnabrueck.de/REBOL/morph.r
proton.cl-ki.uni-osnabrueck.de/REBOL/morph2.r
proton.cl-ki.uni-osnabrueck.de/REBOL/multi-click.r
proton.cl-ki.uni-osnabrueck.de/REBOL/rebsearch.r
proton.cl-ki.uni-osnabrueck.de/REBOL/regedit.r
proton.cl-ki.uni-osnabrueck.de/REBOL/rsearch.r
proton.cl-ki.uni-osnabrueck.de/REBOL/view-menu-test.r
proton.cl-ki.uni-osnabrueck.de/soft/function-test.r
proton.cl-ki.uni-osnabrueck.de/soft/fuzzy-pats.r
proton.cl-ki.uni-osnabrueck.de/soft/fuzzy-show.r
users.bigpond.net.au/datababies/Anton/rebol/links/index.r
www-lehre.inf.uos.de/~fsievert/rebol/newshow.r
www.sievertsen.de/index.r
www.sievertsen.de/REBOL/REBtroids.r
www.sievertsen.de/REBOL/REBtris/REBtris.r

Unfortunately, the library apparently doesn't have an index that 
would be condusive to such a search.  Oh well.  Wishful thinking...

Did you try the topic index -- it's intended to categorise what a 
thread is about rather than what words it contains:
http://www.rebol.org/cgi-bin/cgiwrap/rebol/ml-topic-index.r?i=p

Sunanda,  I didn't try that.  I had assumed that search would use 
that index as a key.  Is there a way to search the topic index other 
than by clicking on a letter in the alphebetical list and relying 
on the browser's find functionality?

<< Is there a way to search the topic index other than by clicking 
on a letter>>
In theory:

http://www.rebol.org/cgi-bin/cgiwrap/rebol/ml-topic-index.r?i=probe

takes you straight to the entry (if any) for 'probe.  But that looks 
broken right now....I'll look into it.


Other than that, no.  Only about 80% of the threads are indexed in 
the topic index. When we get closer to 100%. we'll enhance the existing 
search to take account of the topic index.....so results will include 
and be prioritised by the topic index. 

Well, you could try, in Google:
probe site:www.rebol.org inurl:topic

But that (as with any search anywhere) is dependent on Google having 
the page indexed.

As a result, it would be pretty tricky to index the archive.


The ideal would be for "useful threads" to be selected, tagged and 
archived. I can't see anybody being able to automate that at the 
moment.

Don't bother, I have loaded qml-ed already, wihtout changing the 
dir, and moving files manually after.

(I had the same error  than volker, but solved it by unchecking the 
images files in repack and downloaded only "template.html")

qml-ed not there
 -- How often is the Rebol index files rebuilded ?

Sunanda: i keep the list of know words external to the script. there's 
a link to it from the html doc i posted (look for the #include directive 
and click on it). there's also a script that generates that file 
(apache directory index is enabled for that dir, so you'll be able 
to see it there)

Would it be useful to index the files? That way you could extract 
keywords on posting rather than at search time.

We do index the files, and we have several indexes, some built by 
parsing parts of the script. So we can, usually, search for special 
parts of scripts -- like strings or comments.

Part of the difficulty is that there are some scripts that we cannot 
do a 'load or a 'load/header on - they are broken or have an incompatible 
'needs: header. So we cannot add those scripts to the sepcialised 
indexes. They need specialised handling :-)

Watch this space -- I'm fiddling with some code that may partially 
need your need.

For that matter, do you index line comments separately, as LOAD filters 
them out?

Yes, we also index comment lines separately. Basically, we use the 
same logic as Carl's color-code.r to analyze the parts of a script:

  http://www.rebol.org/cgi-bin/cgiwrap/rebol/view-script.r?script=color-code.r

Just replied to a Feedback message sent to REBOL.org about the Script 
Library:
 
> When will the current script library "die"?

[The questioner suggests that R3 incompatibilities may mean we simply 
purge all R2 scripts to create an R3-only Library]

My response......

Thanks for the question. The simple answer is: I hope never.

***


Coincidentally, I have just started an exercise in seeing how many 
of my contributions to the Script Library will port with few or no 
changes.  The results are encouraging so far:
   http://www.rebol.org/art-display-article.r?article=j26z


I know some of my scripts will be obsoleted by R3. They can stay 
in the Library as R2-only resources.  I am hoping many of the rest 
will be code compatible between R2 and R3, so they will work either 
way.

***

Ladislav has also commented on his early porting experience:
  http://www.rebol.org/art-display-article.r?article=w24v

There is some discussion of the issue on the REBOL3 AltME world:
  http://www.rebol.org/aga-display-posts.r?post=r3wp453x15753

***

The Library has a flexible tagging method for scripts, see:
   http://www.rebol.org/st-topic-index.r

We can very easily add tags for (say)
   R3-ready
   R2-only


Or whatever seems the best set to help partition the scripts into 
R2, R3, or both.

Hope that helps a little!

We lost no data.


But we lost the site for a little while.....Little things like this 
built up:
    -- you try to login
    -- we update your last-active time

    -- but that file write completely trashed your user-profile record
Or:
  -- we upload some more posts from this AltME world

  -- as we write them into our index data structures, it corrupts the 
  index, thus making the whole
     AltME archive unavailable.

Corrupt-on-write is a hard mode to recover from :-)

Perhaps index by month??

No many tagged yet :)
  http://www.rebol.org/st-topic-index.r?i=r3

If you add a new script, yoy can add a (say)
  library: [r3: 'tested]
tag, and that will be picked up and used in the tag index.


The problem with updating the tags in the headers of existing scripts 
is that it is long-winded: you need to physically upload a new version.

Better just to retag via the [edit tags] link.

http://www.rebol.net/plugin/demos/index.htmllike these

BTW: The above functions keep sel-start as a lower index position 
than sel-end. These can be either way with highlight

Now, the tricky thing with modifying parts of a string in a parse 
rule is that you have to leave the current parse index at the end 
of your new replacement string.

What usually happens is you parse up to your search string, set a 
marker (here it's done with p1:), parse through your search string, 
set another marker (p2:), then

 	(remove/part p1 p2
	insert p1 "my new string")


but if the the new string is shorter or longer than the old string, 
then the parse index will be left in the wrong position.

So to fix that we need to set p2 to p1 plus the length of the new 
string, then set the parse index to that position so it can continue 
as intended:

	(p2: p1 + length? new-string) :p2


So the full example above can modify links in place if you simply 
replace:

	(append images copy/part p1 p2)

with something like:

 	(
		old-string: copy/part p1 p2
		new-string: "create your new link from the old one here"
		remove/part p1 p2
		insert p1 new-string
		p2: p1 + length? new-string
	) :p2

some possible solutions here - http://forums.oscommerce.com/lofiversion/index.php/t148268.html

http://www.izarc.org/index.html

http://thinstation.sourceforge.net/wiki/index.php/ThIndex

Damn Small Linux 2.0 released..  http://www.damnsmalllinux.org/index.html


Damn Small is small enough and smart enough to do the following things:


    * Boot from a business card CD as a live linux distribution (LiveCD)
    * Boot from a USB pen drive

    * Boot from within a host operating system (that's right, it can 
    run *inside* Windows)

    * Run very nicely from an IDE Compact Flash drive via a method we 
    call "frugal install"

    * Transform into a Debian OS with a traditional hard drive install
    * Run light enough to power a 486DX with 16MB of Ram

    * Run fully in RAM with as little as 128MB (you will be amazed at 
    how fast your computer can be!)

    * Modularly grow -- DSL is highly extendable without the need to 
    customize

Robert, you may find the right glibc rpm here: http://rpmfind.net/linux/RPM/index.html

Be sure to read about the different ones, so you get the right one.

You should be able to have more than one version of glibc installed 
at the same time (so everything will work). There are programs with 
GUIs in RedHat Linux to install rpms, or you can use the rpm command 
from the command line.

It's been a while, since I used Linux, and it can be a hazzle to 
update sometimes.

http://www.us.debian.org/CD/netinst/index.en.html

http://www.gentoo.org/proj/en/base/amd64/howtos/index.xml?part=1&chap=2
thats how to run 32bit on 64bt gentoo. not too easy, but possible.

Carl's answer - http://www.reboltalk.com/forum/index.php/topic,304.0.html

this is the message I get: Not Found


The requested URL /cgi-script/magic.cgi/index.rhtml was not found 
on this server.

Apache/2.2.3 (Debian) PHP/4.4.4-8+etch3 Server at 192.168.1.100 Port 
80

I'll have a look at the index pages.

Yep, that was it.  Mediapartners-Google/2.1 submitted the form again. 
 It looks like if you have the Google search bar, it submits all 
your internet traffic to google, who then go and try and index that 
site - including submitting your email address to a form!!

Another story on Win:

Anybody noticed any differences in instalation of Rebol on MS IIS 
6.0 and IIS 5.0?

It looks like all things is the same but I am getting on my test.r 
 "The page cannot be found", while index shows that test.r is there.

there is only one file upload in the examples - http://box.lebeda.ws/~hmm/rswf/index.php?example=142

I just looked at the Eudora web site and this is a big problem with 
Eudora.  They tell how to delete the index files to let the program 
rebuild them. But if that doesn't work they say:


If the mailbox does not display your old mail or if Eudora crashes, 
the mailbox is irreparably damaged or corrupted.


You can make a final ditch effort to try to recover the text of the 
email. With Eudora completely closed, go to the backup of the .MBX 
that you saved in Step #4 above. Open that .MBX with a Text Editor, 
like Notepad or Wordpad. If there's any recoverable data, a Text 
Editor may be able to read it.

A little success. I used a text editors to copy the contents of out.mbx.001 
and out.mbx.002 to the end of out.mbx. Then deleted the out.toc index 
file. Started Eudora, and now I can see the emails. Hopefully I'm 
now be able to send them.

we have looked at it and at the same time looked at phpsavant 
 http://phpsavant.com/yawiki/index.php?page=StartExample


for us, our key concerns is maintenance from the developer point 
of view. We want the team to stick to one language (or markup)... 
there will be times in a project, that you may not have the luxury 
of a designer...so the developer still end up working on the apps 
GUI (or look-n-feel).

You can see a brief overview of Remark (Maxim's site builder) here... 
http://www.rebol.it/~steel/retools/remark/index.html

just found out that Logitech does have a 'diNovo'  but the retail 
price is on the high side 

http://www.logitech.com/index.cfm/products/details/CA/EN,CRID=1,CONTENTID=7321

I have recently started testing with Rebol/View 1.3, and decided 
to

purchase Rebol/SDK.  I have a function in one of my scripts that 
was
working in View during testing, but as soon I start using the SDK
binaries it no longer... um... functions.


In the function, I am trying to set a value in an array using an 
index
variable.

In view, I could do:
   values/:index: value
But in the SDK, I get:
   ** Syntax Error: Invalid word -- :index:

Again, any help would be appreciated.

Thank you,
robert w. dumond

I've set up mediawiki at http://compkarori.com/rebolwiki/index.php/Main_Page
and will see how it goes.

Currently there's a sql error on updating or creating a page, but 
you can ignore that it seems as the page changes are made.

http://www.zvon.org/xxl/DOM2reference/Output/index.html

No worries, again this seems straightforward -- http://www.zvon.org/xxl/DOM2reference/Output/index.html

Thx ! Now I recall the article... As I thought, Carl is aiming to 
RIF: "RIF (index file) records will have the option of storing in 
REBin format". But you were right, RIF could be a solution for the 
data storage. Let's hope it will exists by Nov 14 :-)

Has anyone written anything to format/index XML documents?

/indent .. not index

The the laptop I have been eyeing:


http://www.xtremenotebooks.com/index.php?section=specs&model_id=1054


But it is too expensive for me. Does anyone know of a similar one 
at a cheaper price?  Or perhaps someone knows that  this would not 
be a good choice anyway. I'm open for suggestions. I just need a 
big, high resolution screen, large harddrive, and lots of speed. 
I'm not particularly worried about weight.

Release 15 of the OpenClipart library is out: http://www.openclipart.org/downloads/index.php
... over 4,000 high-quality *public domain* SVG images!

also remember that find, does not copy the series, it returns the 
serie at a different index.

go here: http://www.macromedia.com/cfusion/entitlement/index.cfm?e=file_format
register and download

http://box.lebeda.ws/~hmm/rswf/index.php?example=145

hmm, should say 3, I forgot the second version of the color picker 
to upload, now it's here as well http://box.lebeda.ws/~hmm/rswf/index.php?example=148

and cannot use array[index] but must use pick array index

Yes, you're right. Up this point I was really looking at the wrong 
documentation so the Actionscript clue was helpful.


Here's an example. I haven't tried to translate it yet. It looks 
pretty straight forward. 

Movieclip.prototype.fade = function(speed) {
this.speed = speed;
this.f_index = this._alpha;
if(this.f_index >= 100) this.fade_by = -this.speed;
if(this.f_index <= 0) this.fade_by = this.speed;

this._alpha += this.fade_by;
}

Or you can use these to fadeIn() or fadeOut()


Movieclip.prototype.fadeOut = function($decrement, $fadeLimit){



	var $mcObject = this;

	//If $decrement is not defined, then define it

	if($decrement == undefined){

		var $decrement = 11;

	}//End if



	if($fadeLimit == undefined){

		var $fadeLimit = 0;

	}//End if



	if(eval($mcObject)._alpha < $fadeLimit){

		return(true);

	} else {

		eval($mcObject)._alpha -= $decrement;

	}//End if



}//End function

Movieclip.prototype.fade: func[speed][
	this.speed: speed
	this.f_index: this._alpha
	if this.f_index >= 100 [ this.fade_by: 0 - this.speed]
	if this.f_index <= 0   [ this.fade_by: this.speed]
	this._alpha: this._alpha + this.fade_by;
]

Movieclip.prototype.fade: func[speed][
	this.speed: speed
	tellTarget this [
		f_index: _alpha
		if f_index >= 100 [ fade_by: 0 - speed]
		if f_index <= 0   [ fade_by: speed]
		_alpha: _alpha + fade_by
	]
]

And here is new example again: http://box.lebeda.ws/~hmm/rswf/index.php?example=155
 using precompiled tweening prototype

http://box.lebeda.ws/~hmm/rswf/index.php?example=158

just found that the movies for this example http://box.lebeda.ws/~hmm/rswf/index.php?example=116
were missing - in the movie in the middle are czech soldiers on acid 
and the rest are the same chinese soldiers preparing to watch atomic 
explosion.

framTo tweening: http://box.lebeda.ws/~hmm/rswf/index.php?example=159

Organic window: http://box.lebeda.ws/~hmm/rswf/index.php?example=160

I've added an experiment with the Flash's security model http://box.lebeda.ws/~hmm/rswf/index.php?example=161
(there is added new tag so update your rswf dialect from the page) 
I'm not sure if it's working, but it should because it produces the 
same thing as this Macromedia's tool http://www.macromedia.com/support/flashplayer/downloads.html#lcu

I've just updated the dialect to be able override the default settings 
for maximum recursion depth and ActionScript time-out: http://box.lebeda.ws/~hmm/rswf/index.php?example=162

Native OLE DB provider ... has a free version http://www.ibprovider.com/eng/index.html

So, perhaps a way for users with /Pro to obtain database access without 
odbc ?

Javascript needs a Rebol dialect, hmm -- 
http://www.crockford.com/JSON/index.html
http://www.crockford.com/javascript/remedial.html
http://www.crockford.com/javascript/recommend.html

Close, but not quite...

http://projects.star.t.u-tokyo.ac.jp/projects/MEDIA/xv/index.html

I was just reading the User Guide on that site and I noticed that 
there were some parts of the docs on the DESCRIBE function that you 
seemed to have some questions about, particularly the meaning of 
some of the returned columns. (Sorry if I am in error about that.)


- On the table column listing, the notnull column refers to whether 
you are allowed to insert a NULL in that column. The pk column tells 
you whether the column is a primary key. Primary keys in SQLite are 
always integer and are their way of doing autonumber fields.


- On the indexes listing, a unique index also makes sure that the 
combination of values that the index applies to won't be duplicated 
in the table.

Still, here they are (best estimate based on reading the SQLite C 
source):

- id: The index of the foreign key in the list of foreign keys for 
the table, 0-based (integer)

- seq: The index of the column referenced in the foreign key, 0-based 
(integer)
- table: The name of the referenced table (string)
- from: The column name in the local table (string)
- to: The column name in the referenced table (string)

extract/index DESCRIBE "table" 6 2

there is one thing I really don't like about sqlite - it stores everything 
into one file. I want one file for table, one file for index, as 
with mysql, because for me it means simplicity - I can just look 
into file system and see how big some table is, or selectively backup 
some tables .... mySQL works that way IIRC

Louis: if you are on os x, this one work pretty neat http://www.hexcat.com/deepvacuum/index.html
, it will dl the whole site and rewrite urls to make them relative, 
or you coud try with acrobat pro if you want a pdf version of the 
site

C:\.SQLite>wget -r -l 1 http://www.sqlite.com/index.html
--23:27:13--  http://www.sqlite.com:80/index.html
           => `www.sqlite.com/index.html'
Connecting to www.sqlite.com:80... connected!
HTTP request sent, awaiting response...
23:27:14 ERROR -1: Malformed status line.

Is it the "Index of Operators" in the link, you gave?

is there a new way to embed the plugin? http://www.rebol.net/plugin/demos/index.html
doesn't work

But the advantage of the system right-click menu is, that can be 
out of Rebol boundaries. So maybe it's still worth to think about 
it. Here is example how it's possible to use user defined context 
menu in Flash: http://box.lebeda.ws/~hmm/rswf/index.php?example=127

(and he does the artwork, based on stuff found here: http://reinerstileset.4players.de/index.html
)

From @MaxV
New Rebol plugin for R2: 
you can visit: http://www.maxvessi.net/rebsite/plugin/index.html

to test if it works, tha pages contain some scripts. If you want, 
I can adder more...

new release of liquid: 

to download the file:          http://www.rebol.org/cgi-bin/cgiwrap/rebol/download-a-script.r?script-name=liquid.r

for some docs on liquid:   http://www.pointillistic.com/open-REBOL/moa/steel/liquid/index.html

I've not had a chance to play with it yet, Max.

I suspect many of the downloads will be bots that like to index new 
content.....Not people passing by to check the scripts. New/changed 
scripts get prominent home page billing, so the bots come flocking 
to feast.

Is there a way to hook into the attach function?  I want to build 
a pipe-server that handles multiple values but I want to be able 
to hook up the input plugs in any order and in some cases not have 
a plug for any given value.  To accomplish this I want to create 
a block that tells me which order the plugs are connected in so that 
I can use the index to select the correct plug from the server's 
liquid.

Pekr: There's a lot of competing templating solutions, and AFAIK, 
XML+XSL is the most used one. You can also look at Enhydra XMLC here 
: http://www.enhydra.org/tech/xmlc/index.html(It's done with JSP, 
but the concept can be easily ported to any other language).

Hotel Excelsior http://www.hotels-paris-hotels-france.com/2-stars-hotels/_paris-hotel-excelsior/Hotel-paris-index-Eng.htm

Is the link to teh video feed ON the website?  As in here somewhere? 
 http://devcon2007.rebdocproj.org/index.html

Lots of games on the ML:

http://www.rebol.org/cgi-bin/cgiwrap/rebol/ml-topic-index.r?i=games

I must say, that the original Rebol version of the re-box is from 
Dockimbel (http://softinnov.org/rebol/rebox.shtml) I just took his 
level data and made a little bit more complicated graphics. And the 
avatar and some of the ferniture used is from one of my favorite 
Amiga games - DreamWeb - http://www.adventureclassicgaming.com/index.php/site/reviews/221/

Has anyone got experience with this Texturing Tool?
http://www.mapzoneeditor.com/index.php

May I suggest that:


- Starting with just cold metal - metal is not a single colour.  
You are seeing many colours at all times, and different patches of 
colour everywhere.  You are seeing colours reflected and you need 
a coefficient table to calculate the reflection index.  Copper for 
example would lean heavily towards red.


- Next, heated metals are the same, meaning, not a single colour 
either, but now for a different reason.  But to produce the illusion 
of something burning hotter and hotter will require something that 
is multi-pass, and changing constantly.


In video games to produce the afterburner on a jet we did a few tricks:


- The jet flame itself was made of a cone-like shape (maybe a dozen 
polygons).

- The cone was set with an alpha channel so that the source was close 
to opaque, and the tip was close to translucent.

- A second cone was placed around the first cone, but just slightly 
larger.

- They both undulated at all times.  In other words, the length was 
always changing for both cones independently just slight.  And when 
the jet went faster and slower, they changed from long to flat (with 
the plane itself).

- The textures on the polygons were already a rainbox of colours, 
but as the jet changed what it was doing, the colour pallet was changed. 
 Again, both cones were not always changed at the exact same time.

- Just behind the jet (but depending on your angle of view), several 
filters (polygons that read the bg info and render again) would be 
used to create a small waiver and a refocusing.  The more GPU you 
had, the more of this you could do, and the better the final effect 
would look.

- Lastly, and this is what makes the whole thing amazing in a 3D 
game.  We are always checking the location of bright things, such 
as the sun, or things like the after burner filling your screen. 
 If so, we change the contrast of the whole world, and flare out 
your iris.  In the case of the sun we throw up a lens flare, and 
darken all the ships in the sky.

Even as a 2D problem, you should attach this the same way.

This video I think drives this all home for you.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mHL94qQgl_8&feature=related

NickA:<...are there any other lists here on Altme or elsewhere that 
I should be checking?>

I've posted an announcement on REBOLTalk. If there is any comments 
/ questions there, I'll prod you.
http://www.reboltalk.com/forum/index.php/topic,2728.0.html