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Group: RAMBO ... The REBOL bug and enhancement database [web-public] | ||
Volker: 10-Jul-2005 | thats typical for rebol under linux, and os/x is a unix. two processes want to read from the same console and get it alternating. may be more of an unix-issue. (but i did never see "pitqi") | |
Henrik: 10-Jul-2005 | volker, well I didn't get any trouble under Linux with GNUstep's Terminal.app so it may be a terminal issue | |
Gabriele: 13-Jul-2005 | hmm, need to check all tickets with undetermined importance. otherwise they get overlooked. | |
sqlab: 21-Jul-2005 | Now I get the crash every second day | |
Anton: 28-Jul-2005 | Thanks Gabriele! This is actually a burning issue for me! I felt a bit ignored by that. Anyway, I have been researching, and I found the bug note: http://www.rebol.com/docs/view-system.html "Bug Note: On current versions of REBOL, the event/face within the detect function is not set to the proper value. It should indicate the target face of the event, not the face in which the detect event is used." If that is fixed, then it should be possible to filter conditionally to face or subfaces, eg. detect: func [face event][ if face = event/face [event] ; return event for this face, but none for subfaces ] and hopefully if a face does that, then it should get all 'over and 'away events, regardless of subfaces. That is, to be able to know at any time whether the mouse is in its rectangular area or not. | |
Volker: 28-Jul-2005 | i think then detect should get both faces? also, isn't the source-face somewhere in the event? (asking, i am no expert there) | |
[unknown: 10]: 10-Aug-2005 | It simply claims all the memory it can get, and to claim the 500MB my system has left is not very nice , swapping is very active and i have 5MB left for resources.. | |
Gregg: 27-Aug-2005 | RT is re-prioritizing things as they go, because the community will get excited about certain things, so it's good go consider putting a little time in on those. Other tasks have larger implications and take a lot of time to design and code. The /direct issue is a good example because they don't want to break file handling code (which is used in *many* scripts), nor do they want to just dump in a quick change and make matters worse in the long run. | |
Volker: 27-Aug-2005 | What about a new refinement /stream and keeping /direct for backward-compatibility? And the old protocols are source, one could add an option to enable them. Would then be a small change to get scripts running again, until the bigger one of some rewriting is done. | |
Thorsten: 28-Aug-2005 | So, understanding you correctly , there was a time when open/direct worked? I need this to get access to large files without the system trying to load it completely into memory/buffering it. Without this option there is no way for me to use REBOL for my problem. I don't understand where the compatibility problem should be. Open/direct is defined to get non buffered access to ports. Was this different in the past? As you say there are scritps where this feature is used, so there must be a version where this worked or was it used with the wrong behaviour ?. If so, i understand why there is a discussion to change the behaviour. But then the definition of open/direct should be changed and a new refinement be implemented which gives you the possibility to take advantage of non buffered port access. I know the community needs new features, not only for marketing purposes, but often enough i really don't understand how a priority is set. I know, it is not my business to decide such things. I am only a person interested in REBOLS future. | |
Anton: 28-Aug-2005 | I would try to get 1.2.57.3.1e, it being the last in that set of versions. | |
Ladislav: 2-Sep-2005 | to the VALUE? crash: the following code crashes too: x: bind make block! {error? try [any-type? get/any 'variable]} 'system do x | |
Ammon: 14-Sep-2005 | While playing with this REBOL I got a "** CRASH (should not happen)" and spewed a bunch of garbage on the console. Unfortunately I haven't been able to reproduce this. I did get a screenshot of the console, however, if you're interested... | |
Graham: 14-Sep-2005 | get-face on a field with hide returns asterisks instead of the text. | |
Graham: 14-Sep-2005 | I know, but the get-face accessor function is supposed to help newbies avoid having to know these differences | |
Henrik: 14-Sep-2005 | I just think get-face and set-face are not complete, e.g. AFAIK they only work properly on textfields, radio and checkboxes | |
Henrik: 15-Sep-2005 | I've been testing #3403. I can't get it to crash now in the latest beta | |
DideC: 15-Sep-2005 | Graham: get-face on hidden fields is a know bug : http://www.rebol.net/cgi-bin/rambo.r?id=3445& | |
DideC: 15-Sep-2005 | ups, sorry! Read to fast, it's clear-face not get-face :-/ | |
Graham: 15-Sep-2005 | so, we need to submit get-face as well then ? | |
Benjamin: 6-Oct-2005 | yes that's execly what im doing ;-) i send a number to C it read n data from the pointer and then passes to rebol as a string the i use Romanos's wraper to cast that into a structure; but i get ocational crashes when reading fron a crazy pointer :-) i consider this a hack, but still may work ... | |
Benjamin: 6-Oct-2005 | well realy the thing is... did you remember that windows sometimes adresses structures in window messages like lparam or wparam, so i get the nasty number, and i've to buil a structure back from this *pointer*,..... because i do drugs :-) | |
Benjamin: 6-Oct-2005 | yes i know what you mean i put = in rebol and : in C also i get lots of sintax error mising semicolon.... wrapers stink | |
Benjamin: 6-Oct-2005 | c has a verry strong type checking thats cool for some cross over plattaform but wen it comes to rebol interface you get mad ... | |
Rondon: 11-Oct-2005 | but using Rebol, you can't get this new url.. as you could using page: open http://www1.folha.uol.com.br/fsp/opiniao/fz1010200501.htm | |
Allen: 11-Oct-2005 | RFC 2616 10.3.8 307 Temporary Redirect The requested resource resides temporarily under a different URI. Since the redirection MAY be altered on occasion, the client SHOULD continue to use the Request-URI for future requests. This response is only cacheable if indicated by a Cache-Control or Expires header field. The temporary URI SHOULD be given by the Location field in the response. Unless the request method was HEAD, the entity of the response SHOULD contain a short hypertext note with a hyperlink to the new URI(s) , since many pre-HTTP/1.1 user agents do not understand the 307 status. Therefore, the note SHOULD contain the information necessary for a user to repeat the original request on the new URI. If the 307 status code is received in response to a request other than GET or HEAD, the user agent MUST NOT automatically redirect the request unless it can be confirmed by the user, since this might change the conditions under which the request was issued. | |
Gabriele: 12-Oct-2005 | (Not tested.) >> code: second get in system/schemes/http/handler 'open == [ port/locals: make object! [list: copy [] headers: none] generic-proxy?: all [port/proxy/type = 'generic not none? por... >> actions: select code [response-actions:] == [ 100 continue-post 200 success 201 success 204 success 206 success 300 forward 301 forward ... >> insert tail actions reduce [307 select actions 300] == [] | |
BrianH: 27-Oct-2005 | Integer operations: - conversions between integers and binary and back - bswap opcode for endian conversion - picki and pokei, like pick and poke but for bytewise access to integers - perhaps allow tuples to be treated like integers for opcode purposes, or to-tup/to-int for conversions between them Word operations: - set indirect for things like forall, 'a parameters, other uses - for objects/contexts: bind ["Bind a variable to a context" word! word!] Struct operations: - sets ["Set a field value of a struct" word! word! word!] - gets ["Get a field value of a struct" word! word! word!] - copys/changes or picks/pokes (see other group for details) | |
BrianH: 27-Oct-2005 | There was also some mention of a lack of orthogonality with get/set and copy/change (see group for details), but that may not be as important. | |
BrianH: 27-Oct-2005 | What about picki/pokei? I can see putting off struct access until structs are put into /Core independent of libraries, but since that has been promised it might be better to get support for them in while we can. | |
Henrik: 5-Dec-2005 | rebservices would probably be considered a major change, so maybe that won't get in until 1.4.0 | |
[unknown: 5]: 24-Dec-2005 | ; for example if you do the following improper statement of the alias function alias print "blah" '; you will get an error message but then after you get the error message you will see that it still created 'blah in system/words | |
JaimeVargas: 13-Jan-2006 | Nope. I get a simple error. >> load "():" ** Syntax Error: Invalid word-get -- : ** Near: (line 1) (): | |
Pekr: 26-Jan-2006 | nice! So we make networking layer better and better. Maybe then Gabriele will be able to get his Chord to work properly, as it uses UDP too? | |
Sunanda: 5-Feb-2006 | I believe the new/unreviewed submissions have a temporary sequence number and it is negative. Once the submission been checked manually and found not to be spam, it'll get a more permanent sequence number. | |
Ashley: 8-Feb-2006 | load/all is very useful if you are loading a block of values from a file, eg. 1 2 3 "Bob" and you don't want to code for the case where the file only has one value in it. For example, with a file containing a single value in it I get: >> load %a.txt == 1 >> load/all %a.txt == [1] but in all other cases (zero or more than one value), I always get a block. I asked about this ages ago and the answer at the time was that beginners expected to be able to "load" a value without worrying about unwanted block creation (and those who wanted it would use load/all). | |
Anton: 8-Feb-2006 | Yes, it all seemed to make sense at the time SAVE/ALL and LOAD/ALL were implemented. I remember the discussions about it. But trying to get a consistent method for saving/loading my data the other night proved very confusing. I spent a couple of hours testing different cases and I still haven't finished thinking about the issue. | |
Anton: 8-Feb-2006 | If I have to make a custom function to get consistent behaviour then I might as well just use WRITE. :-) | |
JaimeVargas: 7-Mar-2006 | Well after the make I get errors. | |
Robert: 14-Mar-2006 | Why don't I get back FALSE in the 2nd and 3rd case? | |
Robert: 15-Mar-2006 | How about returning than either FALSE or NONE which every was hit? That makes sense to me. So I can ensure that my app returns FALSE and that this value is returned. But now I return FALSE and get back NONE. | |
PeterWood: 19-Apr-2006 | I reported that the interpreter doesn't accept get-wrods startting with < (#3641) | |
PeterWood: 19-Apr-2006 | get-words !! | |
Ladislav: 13-May-2006 | Use and get-word: >> same? 'a first use [:a] [['a]] == true | |
Ladislav: 13-May-2006 | Use and get-word: >> same? 'a use [:a] ['a] == true | |
Henrik: 29-Sep-2006 | I get 0 under OSX | |
BrianH: 29-Sep-2006 | Ladislav, while it nice to see APPLY being put on the front burner (RAMBO 3575), I have a problem with Carl's proposal. His examples clearly do not evaluate their function argument (like HELP or SOURCE), but this would prevent using APPLY with anonymous functions. It would be preferable to require the function to be specified with a get-word like this: f: func [a b] [a + b] a: [1 2] apply :f a | |
Maxim: 12-Oct-2006 | I remember that I was able to get the same issues using only VID, so GLayout was not the source cause... it was only amplifying a VID/View bug. | |
Maxim: 12-Oct-2006 | (its possible the 400MB GC slow-down is system specific, and people with newer/better machine with more ram will get the bottleneck further away. | |
Maxim: 12-Oct-2006 | not anymore... I'm not setup for this anymore... unfortunately, I don't have a lot of time tonight... I have to test cheyenne and start putting my web site back online in order to get slim, glayout and liquid "out in the open". | |
Henrik: 13-Oct-2006 | One has to be careful reloading scripts in the same console multiple times as this will also eat up hundreds of MB's of memory. I'm sure that I'm doing something "wrong" in those scripts, but have no time to investigate what it is. I wanted to ask earlier on a memory usage group and that we don't have one. Wouldn't it be nice to get laid out what techniques are useful in order to converve memory? Maybe the experts can put in a word or two on that. View does indeed also eat lots of memory, as well as image creation with to-image. | |
Gabriele: 17-Oct-2006 | rebolek, the process should be built -> tested -> done. if noone is testing, they never get to tested. :) (we eventually assume that no news means good news and mark them.) | |
Anton: 17-Oct-2006 | #4124 "set-modes doesn't work on file directories" - maybe add a note to Paul here that "the filesystem may not support setting all of the modes that are gettable by get-modes. For instance you can't set modification-date, but you can set the owner-write flag." Maybe there should be a more informative access error type, not just "Cannot open ...". | |
Henrik: 22-Oct-2006 | I accidentally put a string in the font size, like this: view layout [area font [size: "m"]] Windows gives me a small font, which seems right. On OSX I either get screen trashing inside the text area, hanging or a segmentation fault. | |
Gregg: 3-Nov-2006 | Except that I don't get the error you get on the second example. | |
Maxim: 9-Nov-2006 | (again, just thinking out loud.. I am deep in my head resolving a get_username OS call, to get proper logon user on windows) hehe | |
Maxim: 19-Nov-2006 | REBOL is very old. although R1 code might have been finished quickly, it tool many months to get view, draw, and other goodies. and AFAIK Carl was not alone. getting R3 at the level of R2 will definitely take time. especially to a level where it is stable enough to be commercially viable. | |
Graham: 20-Nov-2006 | btiffin ... I guess it's good to wrap an error handler around the whole program, and too often I don't. I just trap suspect areas, and then get caught when something happens in a region where I was not expecting the possibility of an error. | |
Graham: 20-Nov-2006 | Is this a one fire mechanism? When I do this, and get an error, and print it .. or whatever, and if I generate the same error again, it then drops to the standard error handler ignoring my error handler. | |
Ladislav: 21-Nov-2006 | re #4143: as I mentioned elsewhere, I would prefer FIND/LITERAL or changed FIND/ONLY to get more expected result for datatypes | |
Gregg: 24-Nov-2006 | Rather than pushing for R3 inclusion, we should try to get revault up, and put things there. :-) | |
Group: Make-doc ... moving forward [web-public] | ||
Henrik: 11-Jan-2005 | I get one row of cells, if I follow the syntax in the example docs | |
Henrik: 11-Jan-2005 | robert: the manual doesn't mention anything about || at the end of the line, which is why I couldn't get them working | |
Robert: 11-Jan-2005 | Yes, the thing is to first agree on the markup to use. But we didn't make it to get the mentioned people to start working together towards one solution. | |
Geomol: 11-Jan-2005 | Robert, as you say, the mentioned people didn't get to develop the standard further, I think, Carl should have the information discussed here in this group. What do you think is the best way to contact Carl on this? With the feedback link on his blog? | |
Pekr: 11-Jan-2005 | My opinion is, we shold leave make-doc, bloggger and other topics for now, to get Carl's attraction where we really need it ;-) RIF, plug-ins, RebServices, Rebin, AGG beta are waiting in priority list :-) | |
eFishAnt: 16-Jan-2005 | as I said earlier, there are thousands of products which the core of make-doc from RT will generate. It is pretty easy code to extend, once you get the hang of it. Make-doc2 gives us a much better springboard to do things right, with a better user experience out of the box. | |
eFishAnt: 16-Jan-2005 | I was reacting to Geomol, just trying to clarify, not to your statement, Robert. From RT perspective, Carl said he doesn't want to rewrite the thousands of documents already written. I think for someone to get RT buy-in for new versions that RT would like, that is a major water test. | |
Geomol: 17-Jan-2005 | @Ashley 1) a <title> option for =table. Yes, I considered this. HTML has a caption option for tables and optional align (top|bottom). If align isn't there, it's up to the browser to deside. I found it a bit confusing, and by putting the title of the table yourself at the place, you want, you get the result as expected. 2) a right option for =image. Yes, good idea. I've also considered the situation, where text should go around images. But I haven't found a good way to specify that yet. 3) Is "/" needed in state off tags? Yes, I think so, because it's easier to understand, if you have e.g. several bolds after each other. Example: This is some [b]text[/b], where there are [b]several examples [/b]of[b] bold[/b] words. is easier to understand than: This is some [b]text[b], where there are [b]several examples [b]of[b] bold[b] words. Also if you make a style, that is bold, then you wan't to use [/b] to undo bold. Would be confusing, if you used [b] for that too. | |
Geomol: 18-Jan-2005 | It's difficult to judge finally, before I have a working formatter. Some things look good in theory, but fail in practical use. One thing is for sure, writers should be able to write anything, any combination of characters, and get the wanted output in an easy way. | |
Robert: 20-Jan-2005 | The first pass generates a block structure that can be scanned by every emitter to get all headings etc. So, after scan-doc the info is there but not the build-up TOC. | |
shadwolf: 27-Jan-2005 | Ammon sure and if we get a better featured widget engine I could make in it a flying dragon ;) | |
shadwolf: 28-Jan-2005 | Graham her you get the patch for this proprlem that allows you to not redownload it : add this code in config-pan: btn-cancel "Cancel" [ either exists? mdp-config-file [ unview/only config-win if not viewed? main-win [mdp-gui-init] ][ alert "It's my first run baby !! ^/ You need to fill properly the config form !!!" ] ] | |
shadwolf: 29-Jan-2005 | graham for MD2 you get MD2IDE from ashley !!! | |
Geomol: 2-Mar-2005 | New version of NicomDoc is out. It's still not v.1.0, so things will change. Specification: http://home.tiscali.dk/john.niclasen/nicomdoc/NicomDoc.html Example: http://home.tiscali.dk/john.niclasen/nicomdoc/example.html Example source: http://home.tiscali.dk/john.niclasen/nicomdoc/example.txt Main script (this is the one, you should run. Works like makedoc2.r.): http://home.tiscali.dk/john.niclasen/nicomdoc/ndoc.r NicomDoc to RebXML script: http://home.tiscali.dk/john.niclasen/nicomdoc/nicomdoc.r RebXML to HTML 4.01 script: http://home.tiscali.dk/john.niclasen/nicomdoc/ndrebxml2html.r Changes from previous version are: simpler tables, better magic mode (rich text), better handling of paragraph states like centered text (won't effect the inner of e.g. tables), better handling of faulty input, tables within tables, same with notes (not sure, if you could that in previous version) ... and probably some more, I can't remember. You need atleast REBOL/Core 2.5.3, because of new break word within parse rules. So it won't work with official REBOL/View 1.2. Get a newer one! | |
Group: Postscript ... Emitting Postscript from REBOL [web-public] | ||
[unknown: 9]: 7-Apr-2006 | I have not been watching this very close, so to get me up to speed....you are writing an emitter from Rebol to PS? | |
Geomol: 8-Apr-2006 | Well, the dialect doesn't take PS as input, it produces PS. A PS file can be printed from REBOL in a way, Graham showed. Like: >> port: open/direct tcp://192.168.1.253:9100 >> insert port read %boys-0-36-length-weight.ps >> close port 192.168.1.253 is the IP of the printer, 9100 is the port, where the printer get data. | |
[unknown: 9]: 8-Apr-2006 | Henrik, thanks, I will play with it. I have this great Mac sitting on my desk, but I don't seem to use it enough. NOTE: I'm still tied to my PC, and TRYING to get away....so far it seems I'm held to just a couple of issues....I have not had time to write up the "PC MAC LINUX" chart I want so I can figure out what it takes for me to move over. But the first big one is still a thumbnailer. I use ThumbPlus. If they were on Mac and Linux, then I think the move would be a lot better. I use this about 10 times every day. We can move this chat if you want to engage me on the Mac issue. | |
Graham: 13-Apr-2006 | Thinking of what John said, I suspect if you try and automate the newpath etc, you'll get into problems. | |
Geomol: 14-Apr-2006 | If it does, the basic rule of the dialect might be: at <pos> <content> And then we get rid of blocks. | |
Geomol: 15-Apr-2006 | Looks good, Graham. I hope to get time one of the comming days to investigate PS a little more, so the dialect can be more complete. I like your idea about getting rid of blocks, and I hope to make a consistent version with few blocks, maybe only for font. | |
Graham: 15-Apr-2006 | so, you can install these and get pretty exact matching. You'll have to change the lookup table above. | |
Graham: 16-Apr-2006 | Anyways, I quite chuffed to get this preview and printing to postscript working ... after years of no way of printing from Rebol. | |
Graham: 16-Apr-2006 | to get the ps dialect matching the draw dialect, I need to make the text obey cr/lfs. | |
Graham: 18-Apr-2006 | and where do you get the hint data from? Is it read from the font somehow? | |
Henrik: 21-Apr-2006 | by inserting the code in postscript.r I can get the chars I want. works fine now, but you need to specify the fonts correctly from "HelveticaBold" to "HelveticaBold-ISOLatin1" instead. | |
Geomol: 21-Apr-2006 | Seems a bit complicated to get ISO-8859-1. What about other languages? | |
Henrik: 22-Apr-2006 | if I could test it... wasn't on my machine and I couldn't get console output | |
Graham: 22-Apr-2006 | My aim is to get perfect postscript output .. and at least a rough approximation in draw. | |
Graham: 26-Apr-2006 | TeX would have reshuffled the images around so that they wouldn't get cut in half. | |
Pekr: 26-Apr-2006 | yes, slow at zooming, but working .... will you be able to get any ps complicated doc be previewed in your viewer? | |
Graham: 28-Apr-2006 | Some small progress .. I can now get floating text tables, and text that flows from one textbox on one page to the next page. But not completely error free yet :( | |
Graham: 8-Jun-2006 | Just got to get it working :) | |
Henrik: 13-Jun-2006 | looks like you need to parse AFM files to get the width information out of your font files to make proper font justification. so we need to build an AFM parser? | |
Henrik: 13-Jun-2006 | seems that it's not necessary, but I'm not sure when it's not necessary. there is a direct function to get the stringwidth precisely and through that create some simple PS code to center a string | |
Geomol: 14-Jun-2006 | Henrik, I haven't used postscript.r for anything other than test so far. We could upload it to the library with your additions. A problem then is, if the dialect change too much, and many has used it for real, it will maybe break their code. Another way forward would be, that you give me your extended postscript.r, and I upload it to my web-page, and we keep it there for now. When the dialect has evolved some more (, and we get rid of all the blocks, that I wrote about above), we can then upload it to the library. | |
Henrik: 18-Jun-2006 | postscript.r seems to work fine on HP printers, but I can't get it to work on certain OKI printers. guess the header needs some finetuning... | |
Gregg: 6-Nov-2006 | Very cool John! Now, if we can get a DisplayPostscript engine in R3.... | |
Group: DevCon2007 ... DevCon 2007 [web-public] | ||
[unknown: 10]: 11-May-2007 | but in a structure of 1 million how do i get from a -> z quickly ? | |
Pekr: 11-May-2007 | ah, my message did not get it thru :-) Is Carl's Concluding remarks following? Maybe a time for final questions? |
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