AltME groups: search

created "Windows (MS)" group -> let's go there...

If anyone has any requests as to how I'm putting together the name 
of dividers, or where I put stuff, speak up.  I try to get things 
organized, so that I have some clue when I pop in here what a given 
group refers to.

Geomol:you can make a sdk group under the Rebol group

try to click on a group with unchanged contents first

I'm not really interested in debating with you, and other than this 
last statement on the topic I won't.  I'm only responding because 
there are a lot of new people here who might not be clear on the 
facts.


Vapourware is "New software that has been announced or marketed but 
has not been produced." We have been produced, people use our software, 
and it sells.  


Nor do we market or claim any of the new features people ask about. 
 People ask, and we tell them whether it is on the list, or if we 
are going to add it to the list.  We don't commit ourselves to a 
date.


You might not like these facts, but your accusations are inflammatory 
and baseless.  

The facts:


AltME came out as Beta, and we systematically brought it past version 
1.  We met our needs and goal.  If you would like something updated, 
I will give you the bank account number to transfer funds to, we 
can set a rate, and you can have any update you like.


We have never said no to any idea for AltME, we discuss them, and 
log people's ideas so that when we make changes, the ones most asked 
for are reflected (this group here on Rebol3 is not our only source 
of input).


If you do not like the rate with which we make changes, or the reason 
we make changes, then this is going to be a painful environment for 
you to remain in.


Otherwise I will state again, we are active on the development of 
an update to AltME, and we have no set date.   


If you would like to ask a constructive question I will always do 
my best to give a clear answer.  If you simply want to needle and 
dig at us, then I can no longer engage you.

I had that error to under Breezy and I believe some one else too 
(check the Linux group). It helped when I upgraded to Dapper

<<When the bug happens did you see it sync?>>
Very hard to say.

You notice the effects of the bug when a group suddenly disgorges 
many old messages or when looking at the webmirror of the public 
groups.

But that may be much later than the point at which the sync went 
askew.

I usually see this happening when connecting for the first time, 
and clicking on a group area while AltME is syncing.

Yeah, I get it even when moving from group to group fast.  But when 
I say I don't see it at 100, I mean I see it zero times.  Which is 
good.

On the Recycle bug,  I often leave my message limit at at least 1000 
I've turned it up to 5000 a couple times because messages I was searching 
for were more than 1000 messages in the past.   If I leave it at 
5000 and then don't log in for about a week then I almost always 
get a recycle bug by logging in and clicking on the first group to 
sync while it is syncing the rest of the groups.  Waiting for syncing 
to complete will usually avoid the Recycle bug.  The number of unread 
messages in the group your switching to while it is syncing seems 
to affect whether or not you see the bug, more unread messages seems 
to increase the chance that you will see it.

Reichard, 

1) can you try an artificial delay in group-switching? no 'wait, 
just a big delay-loop? to test if the big delay affects networking?

2) no delay, but trigger a recycle? but create a lot of garbage which 
will likely trigger a recycle the next time?

I'm going to try that. Fortunately this group is web public ;)

Is there a way to remove all the reds from every user and group ???

Moving to linux group.

One thing that always annoys me about AltME is the connect/disconnect 
handling.

Everytime I get disconnected from the internet (which happens several 
times a day), I drop out of the group that I am reading, and have 
to acknowledge that I read the message that I AltME "isn't able to 
connect at the moment". Of course, when I go back to the group I 
was reading, the markers for new messages have already been cleared.

Same when I try to reconnect "Do _really_ want to reconnect to rebol3????" 
Of course not, what do you think why I clicked there? And then I 
drop out of the group ...

(Please post other questions in correct group.)

>> do http://www.lexicon.net/antonr/rebol/util/demo-request-dir.r
connecting to: www.lexicon.net
Script: "Demo request-dir" (28-Dec-2003)
Script: "scroll-table style" (7-Mar-2004)
Script: "List Sort Button" (10-Dec-2003)
Script: "header-group" (7-Feb-2004)
connecting to: www.lexicon.net

Include: Couldn't load-thru http://www.lexicon.net/anton/rebol/util/request-dir.r
** Script Error: request-dir has no value
** Near: request-dir/initial %./

Regarding async speed: I posted a note in the async group to look 
at that closer.

I just uncovered this while working on that JumpField over in the 
View group...

>> print compress {A: #"^M"
{    switch A [
{    #"^M" [print {A}]
{    ]
{    }
#{
789C73B4525056E255E22A2ECF2C49CE50705488E602F115A20B8A32F34A14AA
1D6B63B962B900B34009D526000000
}
>> do decompress #{

{    789C73B4525056E255E22A2ECF2C49CE50705488E602F115A20B8A32F34A14AA
{    1D6B63B962B900B34009D526000000
{    }
** Syntax Error: Invalid char -- #"
** Near: (line 1) A: #"
>> print decompress #{

{    789C73B4525056E255E22A2ECF2C49CE50705488E602F115A20B8A32F34A14AA
{    1D6B63B962B900B34009D526000000
{    }
: #
switch A [
 [print {A}]
]

>>

Sorry to flood this group.

Carl, Gabriele : I have created group "Debug p1.3" to continue on 
my bug and for others too

I make a discussion group on this world called DLL.SO to collect 
all the ideas and organise a working group around the loading library 
topic

my push/pop has the advantage that it pushs/pops a group of variables, 
instead of single values. sometimes handy with recursive parsing.

There was a discussion about stack implementation the 27-jan in this 
group. Go up, there is the code from Robert and others

(go to Windows group)

Hmm, I just realized library group was for the script library, not 
for library/load and DLL related questions. Oops.

No problem.....The flaw is really in AltME: we should be able to 
move posts around to the right group.

What's the appropriate group to ask my question do you think

(at first I thought that someone changed the name of the group just 
now :)) but now I think that probably I just missed channel

I just updated the group name from [Library] to [Script Library] 
to make its primary purpose clearer.

Does the  [DLO.SO] group cover it, or is that too platform specific?

The DLL.SO group covers R2's DLL interface, the Extensions group 
covers R3's.

Shadwolf could use rebol advocacy group.

Shadwolf, you have a problem understanding. Pekr suggested you were 
off-topic and suggested the Advocacy group. But, I suggested, that 
for your rants, the group was inappropriate as well. My observation 
still holds.

ladislav problem is even going in the right group if any  existed 
then you won't talk to me neither :) basically you don't feel concerned 
by what I say all you want is the job done what ever means are used 
to achieve that basically I used to think that way too ...  But time 
passed things degradated and now r3 alpha is stuck and side projects 
like script library and View/Desktop are stuck too since they are 
related and on suspend until R3 is released ... So to me it isn't 
a miss placed  converstation since R3 futur is related to scriptlibrary 
futur ... We could is that down time to try to reflect on making 
this better but that's not a discussion you want to have anyway... 
 That's why the whole rebol world in 2011 is pretty much the same 
as it was in 2005..

----> moving to "plugin" group to discuss further...

Accounts group - Wednesday...

Styles are the way to go.  I'm adding °styles° to the °7° system.. 
idea is to have a large collection of panes, buttons, fonts etc... 
all nicely categorized and available at anytime.  If you have some 
styles (or other code), drop it into the °7° group and I'll add it 
to the library.

Switching to Syllable group...

what is the group ownership of the files  can it be coerced with 
stiky bits can who runs the script share  be in the group the files 
are written in ...

ah! - AltME did it once again. When sending message, it got grey, 
and message sent is lost (did not make it to the Linux group)

The current port seems to be waiting on the Garnet OS group.  The 
Palm will all be running Linux soon.  Yeah soon.  Whatever that means.

btw - how does Syllable go? (you can answer in the syllable group)

Graham - to not spam Syllable group - http://bengross.com/smallunix.html

Are you getting older messages in this group now?

In reference to my "comment" on sunday, it's the second time that 
something that wasn't intended for AltMe got into a group here - 
I was searching for "dlna" on Google. Funny thing is that I don't 
recall AltMe getting focus at the time.

Oh, and if do have a spare hour or two, don't forget to test Syllable. 
 There is a group here for it.  Some of the principals of Syllable 
development are rebols at heart.  :)  The Desktop can be tested from 
a Live Boot.

file-modes doesn't seem to have anything

>> print mold new-line/all/skip get-modes %Desktop get-modes %Desktop/ 
'file-modes on 2
[
    status-change-date: 26-Mar-2008/12:29:33+11:00
    modification-date: 26-Mar-2008/12:29:33+11:00
    access-date: 27-Mar-2008/13:29:25+11:00
    owner-name: "anton"
    group-name: "anton"
    owner-id: 1000
    group-id: 1000
    owner-read: true
    owner-write: true
    owner-execute: true
    group-read: true
    group-write: false
    group-execute: true
    world-read: true
    world-write: false
    world-execute: true
    set-user-id: false
    set-group-id: false

    full-path: %/home/anton/.wine/dosdevices/c:/windows/profiles/anton/Desktop
]

Hmm, I tracked down pngcrush (http://sourceforge.net/project/showfiles.php?group_id=1689&package_id=6641), 
 and while its usage seems clear enough:

	pngcrush.exe -bit_depth 4 24bit.png 4bit.png

it dosen't seem to work.

(Oops - There was request on "all" for this group)

seems the rebol/services guestbook demo is broken now... shouldn't 
we move to a different group, btw?

Guys, please be patient ;) I'll post DRAW change summary in AGG group 
very soon.

hmm... I don't know much about it. I think I will discuss how it 
should be done first in the rebcode group.

Doc, could you have a look in !webmail group. Graham's cheyenne server 
is not getting through to me properly (hangs on second read-io of 
2048 bytes).

sorry wrong group

The only drawback (this is noted in the Linux group) is that AltME 
doesn't appear to work on 'Breezy Badger'.

But not noted in AltME group...

Thanks for taking this up and running with it guys, you're making 
great progress (far better than I could have). Feel free to take 
ownership of the code and refactor it as needed.

Two minor improvements are:

	unless closed? [insert tail shape reduce ['move 0x0]]

which is Gabriele's fix to the shape close problem, and:

	feel: make feel [
		redraw: func [face act pos] [

   if act = 'draw [insert clear face/effect/draw load-svg face/data 
   face/size]
		]
	]


which cleans the sample feel code up a bit. I'd also remove "VID" 
from the title of this group as DRAW AGG is tied to View. ;)

I I want to interrogate the first shape description on the top level 
( out of group blocks) I have to build a path like that xml/svg/path/1/d

No group for recode found so I started this one.

Kru:should this group be under Rebol ?

Yes please, use RAMBO imo - if you feel it is important, fill it 
in ... also put your question in RT Q & A group here ...

Brian - you may add your 'apply request to RT QA group :-)

Well, I would hope that the RT people implementing rebcode might 
check the rebcode group every once in a while, but sure. I'll have 
to rephrase since it's out of context though.

imo callback  support is weak, dunno if other languages have such 
a limit as 16 possible callbacks ... well, there is many indications 
in dll.so group. It surely will not be a priority for RT right now, 
as it simply works as a solution, but I just thought that those two 
things (dll C interface and VM assembler) could be related somehow 
...

It might be good to create a new group for discussing the higher 
level ideas.

The objective of this group is to talk about various syncing techniques 
....

yes, I might be, if I decide to go for the app ... I will post our 
company requirements in oportunities group, maybe today evening. 
Our company failed with big Sap system for file transfer. I wanted 
to create something upon which business could be based. I will not 
be selfish - I better publish what could be a good business imo, 
than doing nothing myself due to lack of free time or the lack of 
my coding knowledges ...

RoR like most other framework, sells the ease to get things done. 

What I think makes them standout, is the way they SHOW it.


1. Ruby itself is always a 'simpler' approach to Java. That is one 
EASE


2. They SHOW you on their webcast...and they said it themselves. 
'SHOW, Don't Tell'
http://rubyonrails.org/screencasts


3. And they also SHOW it by using tools other programmers use, eg 
TextMate, drawing a targetted group
potential user.


The success of RoR puts a lot of big companies to shame. (given the 
resources they have)

The problem in this case is that the software itself became illegal, 
which is similar to lock picking tools being illegal.


Then the transport of these tools (links on websites) were made akin 
to transport (trafficking).


The solve is simply to fracture all software into so many pieces 
that it is impossible to point in any one direction.


A paperclip here, a tin of graphite there, etc.  And in theory, it 
may be possible due to the web not to have any group of these items 
in your possession at the same time.


Another option is much simpler…send the files out (to some other 
country), have them return unlocked.  This would pose an interesting 
problem since clearly you are receiving a copy some IP.  So then 
one should receive a "protected" copy using a different protection 
system.  No that part has to be proven as well.


It is all very interesting…but in the end we must abide by the law 
until we can vote it to change.

Ruby community to clone Rebol/View (AGG) - http://groups.google.com/group/comp.lang.ruby/browse_thread/thread/35c2f61d29e94550/28b32a50948920ba

I want to get over this stage really fast because it is starting 
to annoy me. I want to come to this group and read fresh material, 
not still stuck on these issues.

The main thing I would be worried about with a sandbox for anonymous 
scripts would be its potential for involving the user unwittingly 
in illegal or immoral activities that they may not approve of. I 
would rather not list such activities in a web-public group, but 
I can think of dozens of nasty possibilities right off the top of 
my head, and that's just from looing back at activities commonly 
performed by banner ads on many sites.

yup, wrong group.

(but view-group? its exe)

Pekr, do you or anyone else have a working C++ code sample of using 
NPObject with the GetValue method? That's what was giving me problems....if 
so, please send via private msg to keep this group free for discussion.

As I've mentioned here before, there many nasty things you can do 
with the present plugin and I don't want to make suggestions on a 
web-public group. Go private if you want some ideas - I trust you 
not to misuse them.

Please post feedback to this group. We'd  love to hear your what 
you think!

JoshM: I have only very general, philosophic concerns, I can wait 
for your document .... but of course we can talk about it privately 
to not flood this group ...

I don't want to fragment this group, but one project I am working 
on now is the Console....so if you have any ideas for console improvements 
in R3.0 please let me know in private chat.

how about a group for that? there are a few things I'd like to see.

moving to chat group....

LADISLAV POSTED THIS in rebgui group:


this DISTANCE? version looks twice as fast as the one currently distributed:

distance?: make function! [
	"Returns the distance between two points."
    p1 [pair!] "First point"
    p2 [pair!] "Second point"
][
	p1: p1 - p2
	p1: p1 * p1
    square-root p1/x + p1/y
]

moving to liquid group...

(did you see the !Liquid group on the left?

Interesting stats in the lower right corner of the page... About 
Colourlovers.  An idea of what we could have for the AltME stats 
on Rebol.org as suggested in another group.

Replying in Cheyenne group.

Thanks. Affected tickets modified accordingly. Here's the new criteria 
for applying the "not a bug" severity:

- If the ticket is a Bug or Issue and the behavior is by design and 
intention, it gets marked as "not a bug" and dismissed.

- If there is some question, comments are added saying so and the 
ticket is marked as "waiting" or "problem", depending on whether 
the question is more of a group thing or a Carl thing, with some 
leeway either way.

- If the ticket isn't deep enough it will be rewritten to reflect 
the real problem, or maybe a new ticket will be made.

- If the ticket is too broad or general, it will be marked "problem" 
and split into multiple narrower tickets.

Dockimbel -- could we have some way of searching (or sorting results) 
according to Submitter name?

I just tried to have a quick scan of all my contributions to the 
R3 bugs (see discussion in REBOL3 group).
It was not easy.

I'd especially like an easy way to find FIXed bugs by submitter name......That'd 
remind and encourage me to test the ones I'd raised.

Paul: <I just realized this group i s web-public and that means the 
links are now public.  Did we want that to happen?>

Nick has also posted the links and default userid/passwords on the 
ML, so yes, those details are public.

Still, worth bearing in mind this is all [web-public], so stay on 
topic :-)
http://www.rebol.org/ml-display-thread.r?m=rmlCDZC

This has broadcast area on the left (comfortably fits 640x480), text 
chat on right - with name login (and private text/video/audio chat 
between any audience members), links include a file area, with file 
area, and a separate text/video/audio room for random group discussions. 
  According to today's activities, this should satisfy our needs.

Pekr,  I did post here and the mailing list.  The whole idea of the 
virtual DevCon evolved quickly and informally, so I apologise if 
it's been confusing.   Since the idea was suggested very near the 
proposed DevCon date, I tried to help organize things a bit at http://rockfactory.us/events/devcon.html
, but my efforts have been personal and not necessarily agreed upon 
by any of the community.   We probably should have appointed an official 
group of organizers and created a web site first, but in the interest 
of trying to things done, I just moved ahead and posted my suggestions 
here and on the mailing list - I hope there've been no disagreements 
or concerns about any of that.   DideC,  as it  stands, my intention 
is to make 100-150 connections available to http://rockfactory.us/rooms/room22
.  At this point, it seams reasonable to leave it open - if anyone 
thinks we should expect more than 100 people, then I'll need to know 
soon.   I'd appreciate a head count of people in the French community 
who plan to attend.  Amacleod, the broadcast system at http://rockfactory.us/rooms/room22
seems to be the best available solution.  I'm leaving that room available 
until the event, so that presenters can become familiar with it. 
 To make it easier for others to use the system, please remember 
to close the broadcast page when you're done using it, and please 
try to conserve bandwidth to only what's necessary to become familiar 
and comfortable with the system.  Please let me know if you have 
any questions!

If we try to make this a bi-yearly event, atleast one virtual and 
another live event (or both virtual), it might make it better suited 
for people to prepare for and show some of their recent work, finished 
or not.  The talks don't have to be major pieces or an hour plus 
in length, but could simply demonstrate a concept of interest to 
a group of newbies or some of the advanced rebolers, 15 - 30 minutes. 
  I'd really like to see some simple demos of Max's work and Oldes 
Flash dialectt o see these tools "make a difference", not to mention 
countless others.

Sunanda, this is still a web-public group. Every time you post a 
username and password here it may need to be changed.

Reichart says better for him to chat via altme.....either this group 
(which is public) or the private group.
Other presenters may prefer other ways of interacting with them.

The live group has been closed, and will reopen when we do another 
conference.

May have slipped off on the 'Live' group, but Nick suggested a screen-capture-as-a-camera-source 
product for Linux and Windows (though I used a Mac for my presentation...)

This is a stream from a friend of mine http://www.ustream.tv/channel/freedom-of-information-2008-az


She is using UStream to do this.  I'm going to play with this, but 
it "seems" sort of perfect for the Video part of what we are doing.
you set your "Show time" and go!


But, I will only know after I have played with the incoing, and also 
tried broadcasting, and gotten feedback from a large group.

This group is about Printing solutions for REBOL.

hi all, I thought we'd build a small group, where we can just dump 
small working (fun or usefull) reblets.

rules are simple:
 *  ~ 50 -100 lines or less...
 *  complete script with header
 *  no external libs a part from urls on rebol.org
 *  no use of write or save command 
 *  runs as-is in view 2.7.6
 * we discuss scripts in reblets-discussion