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Group: Parse ... Discussion of PARSE dialect [web-public] | ||
Gregg: 16-Mar-2011 | Francois, don't forget to post update notices to the Announce group as well. | |
Group: #Boron ... Open Source REBOL Clone [web-public] | ||
Henrik: 4-Feb-2006 | I made this group to talk about Orca. | |
Graham: 21-Apr-2006 | There's a separate group for discussing the niceties of licensing :) | |
Kaj: 9-Jul-2006 | http://sourceforge.net/project/showfiles.php?group_id=55553&package_id=196714 | |
Anton: 12-Jul-2006 | Maybe we could use Google Groups beta ? http://groups.google.com/intl/en/googlegroups/about.html create, join and search email-based mailing lists, and designate your group as either public or restricted. Postings to both Usenet and mailing lists appear in 10 seconds and are indexed within 10 minutes. | |
Henrik: 12-Jul-2006 | it would be nice if AltME could carry a gateway to an HTML chat for a single group | |
Anton: 13-Jul-2006 | Why, when we have the Orca group here ? | |
Kaj: 13-Jul-2006 | People have mentioned that we're the guest of RT here. Although Carl is fairly OK with clone development now, we're still a competitor, so a separate world may be the polite thing to do. At least I'm not sure it would be appreciated to make this group web public | |
Kaj: 17-Nov-2009 | Boron looks like a complete ORCA reimplementation, so I changed the name of this group to reflect that | |
BrianH: 23-Jun-2010 | There was also a REBOL clone on .NET that some french group started, don't remember the name. | |
Group: !REBOL2 Releases ... Discuss 2.x releases [web-public] | ||
BrianH: 29-Apr-2010 | Bring it up with Carl for R3, or suggest it in CureCode. This is all a little off-topic for this group anyways - we should be in Core. | |
BrianH: 29-Apr-2010 | Still really off-topic for this group. We're trying to keep this group on-topic for the discussion of R2 releases, so valuable information doesn't get buried in the torrent. | |
BrianH: 29-Apr-2010 | The is not like the !REBOL3 group, where anything R3-related is on-topic. | |
Graham: 2-May-2010 | This belongs in rebol school group | |
Graham: 2-May-2010 | BrianH wants to keep this group to discuss 2.7.8 | |
BrianH: 3-May-2010 | And back in the Core group - we're trying to keep this group on its topic of R2 releases. We don't want to lose such discussions in the middle of discussions of semantics. The only reason this group was created is because some of the people working on the development of R2 don't want to use chat yet. This group is *only* a replacement for the R2-Beta world. | |
BrianH: 3-May-2010 | This is not the R2 equivalent of the !REBOL3 group. Please don't abuse the fact that we can't move messages in AltME :( | |
BrianH: 3-May-2010 | I'm sorry, I don't want to be a jerk about this. This group is used as a reference when we do new R2 releases. It's of less value as a reference if off-topic stuff is overwhelming the release discussions. Please be nice to the R2 release manager :( | |
Maxim: 3-May-2010 | sorry to add junk, but I *really* think this group should be renamed (this is On Topic :-) probably !REBOL2-release or something like that. its too easy to mistake right now with !REBOL3 being such an active group. | |
BrianH: 29-Jun-2010 | There are group policy settings that can make it so that programs can only be run from certain directories, and security settings to make it so only administrators can write to those directories. And the only reason that they have to do things so drastically is because of developers like you who insist on writing Win9x apps and trying to run them on Win2k+. Apps like AltME. | |
BrianH: 11-Dec-2010 | We have been discussing things in the open here in this group instead of the R2-Beta world (which is why this group is not web-public. | |
nve: 12-Dec-2010 | so it's apport from rebol3 ? is it still usefull to have a R2-Beta world or move into a group of rebol3 ? How to join R2-Beta ? | |
nve: 12-Dec-2010 | So a new group group in rebol3 world ? | |
Oldes: 12-Dec-2010 | I think that Carl, Gabriele or BrianH can give you R2-beta access. If you need to report R2 bug, you can use any (not R3 related) group here and submit it into Rambo. | |
BrianH: 12-Dec-2010 | It might come to that, but I am hoping to keep using this group as long as possible to manage the R2 release discussions. | |
BrianH: 30-Dec-2010 | (Whoops, wrong group) | |
GrahamC: 31-Dec-2010 | This is from August in the SDK group Trying to see if .net is installed but this gives me an empty block foreach key keys: list-reg/HKLM "SOFTWARE\Microsoft\Windows\CurrentVersion\Internet Settings\5.0\User Agent\Post Platform" [ print key ] even though I can see it full of keys in the registry ... | |
Maxim: 13-Jan-2011 | continued from REBOL3! group. they where not listed in RAMBO... I was just lucky to be online with Carl and it got fixed in a beta version of 2.7.7 in one afternoon with cyphre giving a more robust fix the day after. He also had the fix to another annoying issue which makes first item to follow a space in a text to affect the transparency. the more spaces the darker it gets. his even affects other items in a text ends with spaces ! though I wonder if that ended up in the 2.7.8 release ' :-/ | |
Group: ReBorCon 2011 ... REBOL & Boron Conference [web-public] | ||
GrahamC: 26-Feb-2011 | Do we need a RED group .. like the Boron group? Doc, where are you! ? | |
Pekr: 27-Feb-2011 | if RED is becoming serious attempt at REBOL similar languages/clones, then we need new group. | |
Gregg: 27-Feb-2011 | We're a bit OT here, don't want to hijack the group. | |
GrahamC: 27-Feb-2011 | well, the group purpose is completed! | |
Henrik: 28-Feb-2011 | ok, should move this to boron group... | |
Group: Core ... Discuss core issues [web-public] | ||
Geomol: 24-May-2011 | Yes, we had a discussion about this in the Core group recently. See posts around 13-May. | |
Geomol: 24-May-2011 | Sorry, my last post here was an answer to something in the !REBOL3 group. | |
Geomol: 2-Jun-2011 | From group Core-old: A: the PATH action is what the interpreter uses to evaluate VALUE/selector expressions for each datatype. It is an internal action and has no external purpose in programs. These kinds of words often appear as a sort of side-effect" from how REBOL is structured. Datatypes are implemented as a sort of object class, where the interpreter "sends messages" to the class to evaluate expressions. The PATH action is a message that tells the datatype to perform a pick-like or poke-like internal function." | |
Geomol: 2-Jun-2011 | It seems to original come from a post in group "RT Q&A" dated 11-Dec-05. | |
Gregg: 8-Jun-2011 | This is about the HTTP scheme, but I can't find a group for R2 schemes. Does anyone have a patch for the HTTP scheme that handles 204 (No Content) responses where no headers are returned? The standard scheme throws an error as there are no headers to parse. Here is the 'success case handler: success: [ headers: make string! 500 while [(line: pick port/sub-port 1) <> ""] [append headers join line "^/"] port/locals/headers: headers: Parse-Header HTTP-Header headers port/size: 0 if querying [if headers/Content-Length [port/size: load headers/Content-Length]] if error? try [port/date: parse-header-date headers/Last-Modified] [port/date: none] port/status: 'file ] For anyone familiar with the scheme, would the proper behavior be to set all related 'port fields to zero or none? e.g. port/locals/headers: headers: none port/size: 0 port/date: none port/status: none | |
Geomol: 24-Jul-2011 | The data exchange dialect is a good point to have constructs. Then my logic goes: REBOL values can be divided in two groups, 1. the ones with a non-ambigious lexical representation and 2. the ones without such lexical representation. Datatypes of values in the second group include: unset! none! logic! bitset! image! map! datatype! typeset! native! action! routine! op! function! object! library! error! port! event! and maybe a few more depending on what version of REBOL. The rest is in the first group. It would make sense to have constructs for the values in the 2nd group. Then I look at some examples of constructs: #[string! "abc"] #[email! "[abc-:-d]"] Those are not necessary. If it's because all values can be represented as constructs, then why doesn't this work? >> #[integer! 1] ** Syntax Error: Invalid construct -- #[ And how would values of type native!, action!, op!, etc. be represented as constructs? I'm not convinced. | |
Geomol: 17-Aug-2011 | (Notice this is the "Core" group, not the "!REBOL3" group, and I'm talking R2.) | |
Gregg: 19-Aug-2011 | John, it sounds like where you get confused, or think of things as bugs or design flaws, is when having your REBOL "That's funny!" moments, borne of deep tinkering. Aside from the "copy series in funcs" behavior, which I think bites many people at some point, your issues don't come from writing application code in REBOL and bumping up against REBOL's behavior. Rather, it seems that REBOL's implementation and design don't match your expecations in these cases, and you really want it to. :-) The reason I asked about consequences is because you may want a change that affects other users negatively. Imagine REBOLers as being in one of two groups. Group A is the gurus. They have internalized REBOLs design, understand it deeply, and use BIND and recursive PARSE rules without fear. That group is very small. Group C contains everybody else, which includes people that don't know about using /local with funcs, and suggest REBOL should use = for "assignment". They have never used USE, BIND, or many other functions, because they aren't sure how they work. Some of them know a little about series references, so they always use COPY to be safe. (Yes, group B exists too, but they are much more like C than A). If REBOL were meant only for A users, it would be very different. As a designer, it seems pragmatic to make it so things work well for the B and C users who, when they hit a problem that requires advanced understanding, will work around issues with the bits they understand (and adding many COPY calls), no matter how inelegant. Group A users may suffer at their expense, but I'm OK with that, because I'm not one of them. | |
Ladislav: 22-Sep-2011 | I am not sure which group to choose for this poll for REBOL preprocessing directives. I hope this one can be used, but wait for a moment before going ahead to allow for objections. | |
Gregg: 24-Sep-2011 | What I mean, regarding %localize.r, is that any script that defines directives (one or more) could use the naming convention. And it makes perfect sense to group related directives in a script. | |
Group: Red ... Red language group [web-public] | ||
Gregg: 27-Feb-2011 | This group is for discussion related to DocKimbel's (SoftInnov) Red language. | |
GrahamC: 27-Feb-2011 | whoever created this group .. check your spelling! | |
Dockimbel: 1-Mar-2011 | Red's web forum now opened : http://groups.google.com/group/red-lang?hl=en | |
Dockimbel: 10-Mar-2011 | Maxim: see http://groups.google.com/group/red-lang?hl=enfor the anwser to that question. | |
GrahamC: 10-Mar-2011 | yeah, I thought the news group was the intended method of communication | |
Dockimbel: 10-Mar-2011 | Would need to make this group web-public first :-) | |
Dockimbel: 10-Mar-2011 | If you have some technical questions about Red, please use preferably the official channel at Google Groups: http://groups.google.com/group/red-lang?hl=en Thanks. | |
Dockimbel: 11-Mar-2011 | Graham: I've posted a short reply to your code bubbles question here: http://groups.google.com/group/red-lang/browse_thread/thread/8ecea42063ee4e14/6f7364ebadc7291d?hl=en#6f7364ebadc7291d | |
Dockimbel: 11-Mar-2011 | Can't find any settings in Google Group allowing to change the default threshold for word wrapping...I find it too low when reading messages from the web. | |
Dockimbel: 29-Mar-2011 | Characters range: yes I need to change that, PeterAWood posted a note about it too: http://groups.google.com/group/red-lang/browse_thread/thread/99e14e44fbf69abf?hl=en | |
BrianH: 29-Mar-2011 | Same with the bit!, bitset!, logic! group. Bits and bitsels are storage types, but logic values are what conditional expressions work with. This also has the benefit of letting the compiler avoid putting in if 0 checks all over the place and just go by condition codes instead, especially for inlined control flow code. | |
Dockimbel: 30-Mar-2011 | Thanks guys for the insights and propositions. I found it a bit difficult to follow in realtime, I'm not sure that AltME is the best tool for such conversations. Maybe we should give a try to the Red web forum next time: http://groups.google.com/group/red-lang? | |
Kaj: 4-Apr-2011 | Anonymous posting is supposed to be possible now on the Red Google group, but I can't | |
PeterWood: 4-Apr-2011 | Posting anonymous comments on the RED blog is now possible. It is not possible to post comments anonymously on the Red Google group. | |
PeterWood: 4-Apr-2011 | This article was an influence in the decision to request people to register to the Google Group - http://ejohn.org/blog/google-groups-is-dead/ | |
Dockimbel: 4-Apr-2011 | I'm curious what Reichart is thinking about such improvements to AltME (preferably in the !AltME group). | |
Andreas: 4-Apr-2011 | http://groups.google.com/group/red-lang/feeds | |
Dockimbel: 6-Apr-2011 | I guess you wanted to post that to ~Vent group and posted that here by mistake? | |
BrianH: 20-Apr-2011 | Peter changed the topic when he said "I don't believe it is GPL because of that just as all Java code is not GPL because Java is GPL.", and that is what needed clarification. Unfortunately, I couldn't move that message to the Licensing group, or edit my responses to be more clear (stupid AltME). | |
BrianH: 20-Apr-2011 | Sorry, that went in the wrong group. | |
Maxim: 21-Apr-2011 | you know, I was half joking when I suggested this group... :-) | |
Geomol: 21-Apr-2011 | :) well, it's a good group for this, as Doc would consider these things at some point. | |
Maxim: 21-Apr-2011 | (though we should go back to REBOL3! group) | |
PeterWood: 25-Apr-2011 | http://groups.google.com/group/red-lang/browse_thread/thread/6a7438458d2d170b | |
BrianH: 23-May-2011 | Darn, I didn't get around to summarizing that argument here about struct vs. pointer in the google group, so it looks like its conclusions were completely ignored. | |
BrianH: 23-May-2011 | You asked me to summarize the argument in a google group post, but I didn't. Sorry. | |
BrianH: 23-May-2011 | This was long before meijeru got on the Red google group. | |
PeterWood: 26-May-2011 | Hats off to Kaj! - from Miejeru on the Red Google Group | |
Dockimbel: 31-May-2011 | About the LLVM question on OSNews, someone with an account there could anwser by posting this link to a similar question on the Red's ML: http://groups.google.com/group/red-lang/browse_thread/thread/eeca0a4787da56c2?hl=en | |
Dockimbel: 3-Jul-2011 | Kaj: we have decided to replace the "struct" and "pointer" by "declare". Please read this post: http://groups.google.com/group/red-lang/browse_thread/thread/9c407676e2335919?hl=en | |
Dockimbel: 20-Jul-2011 | Command line arguments access now available: http://groups.google.com/group/red-lang/browse_thread/thread/4b8cb7a5a49308ba?hl=en | |
Henrik: 6-Sep-2011 | (let's move to REBOL3 group) | |
Mchean: 4-Oct-2011 | has the Red google group moved somewhere else, don't see any activity | |
Andreas: 4-Oct-2011 | It's still at http://groups.google.com/group/red-lang | |
GrahamC: 23-Oct-2011 | wrong group | |
BrianH: 19-Nov-2011 | I was mostly interested in code sharing over text messages, but something like AltME or a code editor on my phone would be invaluable. A code editor that can send code snippets over SMS or other sharing services sounds interesting. I only mention this in this group because Red looks like it will end up on my phone before R3, barring a miracle. | |
BrianH: 13-Dec-2011 | Looks interesting, Steeve. Be sure to post what you find out about Textadept in the Editors group. | |
Endo: 16-Dec-2011 | See #Boron group please. | |
Dockimbel: 6-Jan-2012 | My floating point support todo-list for Red/System: http://groups.google.com/group/red-lang/browse_thread/thread/5fe1e6bde8576d51?hl=en | |
Pekr: 8-Jan-2012 | Doc, would you be interested in getting BeagleBone for the kind of experiments? See links group for more info. IMO embedded & mobile should be Red's target ... | |
Pekr: 8-Jan-2012 | As for ARM CPU support, I will have to rescan this group, about what's supported. We have one dev board with Cortex-M3 | |
Kaj: 8-Jan-2012 | It could be an unknown signal group in POSIX.reds | |
Dockimbel: 23-Jan-2012 | I have x-posted that message to the Red ML also: http://groups.google.com/group/red-lang/browse_thread/thread/527afaf181eee8c7?hl=en | |
Kaj: 23-Feb-2012 | My Fibonacci benchmark results have scrolled way out of sight in the Other Languages group, so I'll repeat them here: | |
Group: SQLite ... C library embeddable DB [web-public]. | ||
Sunanda: 12-Mar-2011 | [New group to replace the old one that was somehow causing AltME resync problems] Previous postings are here: http://www.rebol.org/aga-display-posts.r?post=r3wp439x1 | |
Group: Topaz ... The Topaz Language [web-public] | ||
PeterWood: 25-Jun-2011 | A new group for discussing the Topaz language. | |
Gabriele: 30-Jun-2011 | I don't have a timeline because I can't work on it 100% of the time. I have many goals. One is to make creating web applications easy. I'll repost a message I posted earlier on a different group: | |
BrianH: 19-Jul-2011 | That would be nice, but this is also a Topaz group, and that's a REBOL convention :) | |
Pekr: 22-Nov-2011 | Oldes in Other languages group - "Hm.. i gave it a try and must say that Topaz is much more interesting." So, I would like to ask - is there any progress lately? Is Topaz already usable for real-life code? An what is an speed overhead in doing some app in Topaz in comparison to direct JS execution? | |
Gabriele: 1-Dec-2011 | I don't have string parsing in Topaz yet, but I wanted to illustrate how what Endo is asking in the Parse group would be much easier: Topaz Interpreter - (C) 2011 Gabriele Santilli - MIT License >> b: ["bla" 1 2 "bla"] == ["bla" 1 2 "bla"] >> parse b [collect any [keep number! | skip]] == [1 2] | |
Group: World ... For discussion of World language [web-public] | ||
Sunanda: 25-Nov-2011 | New group for new language. | |
BrianH: 26-Nov-2011 | We don't want to clog up this group with off-topic requests. | |
Geomol: 2-Dec-2011 | Q: Will this language be an open or closed source project? A: Long answer: The plan is to fully open source it at some point, when version 1 is ready. Host depending sources are open in the alpha release, and it may make sense to open source more and more along the way, like sources for the different datatypes. The IT world is constantly changing. My nephew just went to the Devoxx Java conference in Belgium. Everybody had portable Mac computers. That was very different just a few years ago. Who knows, what devices we'll use in 5 years? I like to bring my software with me to new platforms. To be able to support new platforms faster, open source is a good thing. But some things needs to be fulfilled, before I'll open source it all. 1. This isn't a hobby project. I've invested a lot of time and work in this project, and I need to find a way to get something back from all that. One option is to have a good manual ready for developers to buy, open source it to get a lot of developers interested, and make a profit that way. There may be other ways (like someone or some company paying me to open source or make projects in World). 2. I need to know more about the consequences of open sourcing it, so I can avoid any nasty surprises. Knowing more from other similar projects could help. I need to figure out a proper license. 3. Even if I keep the sources simple and clean, I would like to clean up even more, before it can be open sourced. A: Short answer: Currently it's partly open source. Q: What is the main target? A: The World prompt is a very powerful tool. Being what is known as "network transparent" helps in the era of the Internet. Server scripting and client scripting are obvious uses. The ability to easily make dialects makes it possible to wrap the language around the problem instead of trying to change the problem to fit the language. Interfacing with other technologies ... see "Introduction" on http://world-lang.org in a few days. Q: Is it closer to R2, R3, RED, Topaz architecture? A: World run its code within a custom made virtual machine (VM). Compiling in World compiles World sources to this VM. This happen when source code is run or if explicitly compiled. REBOL is always interpreted (AFAIK), so that's different. I'm far from an expert in Red and Topaz, but as I understand it, Topaz is compiled/translated to JavaScript. So the JavaScript engine can be seen as the VM in World. And Red is compiled to native code, so that's different too. As I see it, all these languages work differently and can complement each other. (Help me here, if I'm wrong in any of this.) Q: What was the main motivation, aka - why yet another language? A: After I've learned REBOL, I find it frustrating to program in most (all) other languages. The difference is like when humans moved from carving words in stones to using a printing press a la Gutenberg. Then I found, I couldn't complete projects like my Canvas RPaint program on all major platforms (Win32, OS X and Linux), I couldn't run my code on new portable devices, and I needed better performance with scientific applications. With my background in graphics, music and science, I expect the language to develop into those areas. Q: If (you) don't have any other target, why don't you work on Red? Or fork a project from Red? A: I started initial work on World in late March 2009. The first post in the Red group here in AltME is from 27-Feb-2011. At that time, World was more than 7'000 lines of C. | |
Geomol: 9-Dec-2011 | Somewhere, in the road to version 1.0 you will need help. It belongs to you teling us when you will have clear in your mind the whole project. Then, please SHARE THE VISION and ask for cooperation and involvement of other programmers. It's pretty clear in my mind, what version 1 is about. When I started, I wrote down the natives, which are really necessary to create a REBOL like language on a virtual machine. All the other functions should be able to be produced from this set of natives. I listed about 100. World currently has 83 natives implemented. Maybe some of them will get some more refinements before version 1, but you could say, the natives are 80% done. You may think of this project as the Wildman project (see that group), not on native hardware, but on a virtual machine. | |
Geomol: 28-Jan-2012 | Pekr! Take a breath. When you're calm, then read your words here again. You're very off topic. Please move such rants to appropriate group. Please! | |
Geomol: 28-Jan-2012 | Then reality check: This group was started 2 months ago. It's easy to go through it and look for my blue and yellow releases and notes. That's a lot of progress in 2 months. If you see it otherwise, then you're blind. The C sources of World has grown a lot in those two months, and it's quality work with few errors considering the amount. You will most likely see the progress of World come in waves. I had worked intensely on it more than full time since before summer. Yes, more than full time (more than 8 hours a day, also week-ends), so that's a lot of man hours. The last month, I've done paid freelance work too. At the same time, for World I'm researching better networking (cURL), getting lib calls to work under Windows 64 using libffi and finishing the memory model, so circular references are coped with correctly. Why didn't I say so? Because I like to announce things, when it's done, instead of giving false hopes, but now I made an exception. 1) I'm not going to give my work away for free at this time. That's because I see no benefit in doing so. 2) World will not come in a situation like REBOL, with lots of errors for a long time and still closed source. If I wasn't able to continue work on World (to fix errors, make further progress or whatever), and if people relied on work already done, then I would open source it. As this isn't the current situation with World, this is no argument to open source it. If you don't like my model, move on. Negative rants here are not productive. | |
Geomol: 7-Feb-2012 | Gregg wrote in group #Red: "World has similar goals I believe." Yes. To clarify: There is World and there is World/Cortex. World is written in C and the Cortex extension is written in World. It's a design goal to have as little as possible in the C part, but because it's also a goal to have good performance, especially with math stuff, some functions are native (written in C), which could have been mezzanines (written in World), like ABS, COS, SIN, TAN (all small functions in C). But large functions like PARSE and SORT and many other functions are part of the Cortex extension, so they're written in World and is therefore open source. With the good support for dynamic loaded libraries, good performace with heavier functions can be achieved that way. And then there is the REBOL extension (in the World file %rebol.w), which is there to hold further extensions and definitions needed to run REBOL scripts. Those are not in the Cortex extension, because I disagree with some of the REBOL design decisions, and because I would like the Cortex extension not to be too large. For me, World and Cortex has the higher priority, the REBOL extension the lower priority, meaning I use more time on finishing World/Cortex for now. |
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