AltME groups: search

there was a ML group, but  I don't see it, has it been deleted?

Hit any key to start: 19-Sep-2006/11:33:24.687+6:30
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0:00:04.828


How can I force my stopwatch.r script (see announce group) to not 
display the nanoseconds, so instead of 0:00:04.828 it displays only 
0:00:04

I plan to keep running Opera on a regular bases.  I think there are 
more features than I'm seeing so far, but in a nutshell:


-	Separate Universe: Having a "another" browser is a good way of 
keeping things sepeate.  For example I might use Opera for my Qtask 
test accounts, and for checking up on some "grouping" of sites, since 
Opera is good at opening multiple tabs at start up (although it should 
stagger them since this is one of the speed hits).


-	Cache: It seems to auto pull a page it decides is the last version. 
 I'm not sure how it decides this yet.  But if I figure it out, this 
is a cool feature.


-	Magic wand: Great feature.  It should have its OWN password.  In 
other words.  Andy, Billy, and Carry, all use the same computer. 
 There are a lot of families that do this. IT would be nice to group 
your log ins to the same sites (AB and C all have separate Yahoo 
account, and separate Amazon accounts).  So they can basically Log 
in first with Opera, then go to town.  Even better would be an online 
service for this.  Can't wait for Identity 2.0.


-	Overview:  Opera has this cool feature of showing you a 3x3 grid 
of thumbnails of you fav sites.  This is cool.  So cool I want to 
see if there is a plug in for FF for this too.-

Hello, I whish to create the DocBase group. Is there with admin priviledge 
that could do this thing ?

regarding Kaj's posts about the OLPC from a couple weeks ago... (i 
think it was in the Syllable group, but i don't want to pollute there)

Note I have not had time to read any of the above messages (in this 
group or others).  So, if there is something important for me to 
read, let me know.

(Put a note in the Carl Only group.)

Petr,  In a recent production application, here is what we recommended 
to the users in a web based environment and they liked enough to 
support us with our standards group:

1. tab boxes to cut down on many screens (or to give appearance of 
that) and saves on some trips to the server
2. flyout menus to allow more intuitive navigation

3. breadcrumbs to show they where they are now and how to get back 
to a higher plane

This was a pretty big step forward from the very plain html screens 
which they had been using before with more roundtrip activity.

We prototyped the system in HTML using REBOL CGI functions and got 
some pretty detailed flow before the project was launched.

Maybe your many screens solution should look at those things. I am 
assuming you are creating a View application.

whooops, wrong group

Great progress guys, I think this project deserves its own group 
now. ;)

Canvas group created.

eFistAnt, LOL Why in group "View"? :)

Shorthand for "with [related: 'group]" -- radio-line "one" of 'group

then maybe report your findings in OS-X group here or even RAMBO? 
Dunno if it is a bug or not ...

@1. this is what I would have thought too, but on the other side 
that's kind of bad, because evaluating an example might be frequent 
and the word-browser window shouldn't close - so maybe it has to 
be done differently then. Maybe I should post this also to another 
group, just wanted to know whether this happens everywhere.

This goes for me too, but it's probably better to ask in RAMBO group 
before adding to the bug database.

As Graham Point out, its not good to use 'style facet because you 
can have several faces of the same style.

What you want is to "link" style together : this is the role of the 
'related facet.
You usually use it with check/radio/toggle to group them.
To specifie a group, you use the 'of keyword in VID :

 View layout [radio of 'one radio of 'one radio of 'two radio of 'two 
 radio of 'two]

So just change your refesh function to test the face/related facet 
instead of style.

This way you can have some fileds in the 'debit group and others 
in the 'credit group

Or as Carl put it in the "Tech News" group on the 19-Sep: 

I say: Push forward and ignore the noise, recruit newbies, use the 
great ideas, dump the rest.

anton, I read it (great stuff), but I currently have problems with 
which method to correctly group faces in the main pane (header, scroller 
and list), and get each face properly initalized. I know LAYOUT does 
this, but I can't use this with already made faces.

graham: it seems the convention is so that when you have a group 
of faces that need to be resized (such as the scroller), you use 
a RESIZE function rather than just a variable.

There was some work on a progress in "RebGUI" group arround 24-nov-2005.


For those who don't like setting Altme message limit too high (sync 
bug) there is :
http://membres.lycos.fr/didec/rebol/altme-chat-reader.r
Save it to your %Altme\ folder for easier use.

--->> Chat group.

can't find an example right now... but better to ask in the "Windows" 
group...

I'm testing a tab button group with BTN look. What do you think? 
http://www.hmkdesign.dk/tabview.png

the idea is for them to be toggles in a group, where only one of 
them can be selected. then there needs to be an easy method to perform 
some kind of action, such as selecting a mode or changing a layout 
in a pane

view layout [style group-tog tog [print [face/text]] with [related: 
'default] group-tog "Anton" group-tog "Henrik" group-tog "other unpeeled 
vegetables"]

the point is to have a button group that actually looks like a button 
group

view layout [style group-tog tog [remove find face/parent-face/pane 
face append face/parent-face/pane face print [face/text]] with

 [related: 'default] across space -5 group-tog "Anton" group-tog "Henrik" 
 group-tog "vegetables"]

I like the BTN style, but it's underused in VID for other applications, 
such as a tab button group

someone wante graphing, dunno what group was it posted in - one interesting 
project using AGG and Python - Matplotlib - done using AGG - http://matplotlib.sourceforge.net/screenshots.html

yep, actually it was more inspired by the segmented button in OSX. 
I think it conveys a much better message of grouped buttons than 
just using TOG buttons with OF 'group

hey, enough is enough ;-) You don't need to post dot in each specific 
group to force syncing imo ... that is why we have dot group here 
...

one question - is there already a group formed for new View? I would 
like to know, where should (could) we post our requirements. I would 
not like to see some fundamental UI design mistakes repeated, so 
I want to be sure, I voiced my ideas ....

well, it is not enough. I know that Carl wants to have focused group 
for that, but there should be place, where other could place their 
requirements

or .... such group should produce UI guidelines for others to see 
... that would be even better, so the rest of us - ready-to-test-hungry-rebol3-ers, 
could be sure, everything is under control :-))

well, currently it's not that far yet, but maybe it would be nice 
with an open brainstorming group which we could study and grab the 
good parts from.

Ok, from RebGUI group, as it's not just related to RebGUI:


I have the following problem from time to time on my system and always 
on the system of one of my testers.


On my system: I start my app, the gui comes up and I click the first 
widget and the app falls back to the console. Without an error. This 
happens as do-events returns.


The same problem is on the other system, but here I only can do one 
click on a widget.

. (apologies for the dot, but the web shows this group has failed 
to sync on my machine)

This AltME client is hard work too, why dosn't the group have a web 
based forum, then I could access it on the PC where my development 
is being done too. AltME is a NoNo for corperate use.

[ ] identifies rules which must ALL match as a group.

You can acces the your free items of the last group with names
you can use e.g
  alias 'first "portn"
  alias 'second "disabled"
  alias 'third "vlan"

Wrong group to be saying something like that :P

Yup. And you can have bad moments even if you are a good programmer. 
That's what this group is for :)

geez it's a public group here, i forgot sorry...

Perhaps a new group "Bash Carl" should be more convenient

O don't want to be in that group :)

Everyone appreciates getting a response to a question.  The fact 
that this is a group called I'm New, you should maybe consider ignoring 
it if you don't want to answer questions that are repetitive or simple 
[to you].

It's a group labeled I'm New... that pretty much says it all.

this group is for basic questions.  or for people who feel they are 
asking basic questions.

The level of help on this group is spectacular. I think I have picked 
up a great deal, paticularly about parsing, but I know I still have 
a lot to learn about passing data types, which might seem more basic.

(Temporarily going off-topic) Answering mhinson's question or asking 
some of your own is ontopic here. Telling someone to not ask questions 
is offtopic - see the group description.

Some of us like to answer questions, and learn by doing so. This 
group is like a REBOL-specific version of the Puzzles group :)

I'm no rebgui user, but I can tell you there is a rebgui group here. 
  maybe you can find your answer there  :-)  the best way to search 
for stuff is to use the altme web archive on rebol.org, cause it 
includes even the old posts.  Altme limits back log to make the GUI 
more responsive.


the rebgui Atlme archive on rebol.org:  http://www.rebol.org/aga-display-posts.r?post=r3wp303x1

R2 still has a few lingering issues, but development hasn't stopped 
on it. The focus now is on R3, but the community at large is still 
kind of on the sidelines. Carl and a core group are working on key 
elements, including the host interface release and extension model. 
Depending on when you last looked at R2, there may be some new things 
there for you to find as well.

[Pehaps this discussion belongs more naturally in the Advocacy group, 
rather than a newcomers' questions group]

Hmm.. I think I need to sart a new group here ... "I'm getting old 
and crumpy " :)

I'm the co-founder of BIL (www.BILConference.com) , an open conference, 
the rule is "OPEN".  That simple.  Even from teh get go, my co-founders 
started trying to be "open" but controlling others.
It was really interesting... 



But, I STOOD STRONG on, let everyone do anything...  and... it worked, 
REALLY WELL.


That is not to say that as a group (mob) we did not "direct" people 
to help improve the s/n.

YueM has asked me (via REBOL.org's feedback to post this):

=========

I give up on altme. it's so frustrating.  can you post the following 

message for me in the "I'm new " group. I am trying to reply to Henrik 

about the problems with altme.  thanks for your help. I tried your 

advice and typed everything in notepad,  then cut and paste and click 

on send. It is just too much effort  resending 10, 20 times to get 
something out , or not at all.


thanks for your help. I think they have to redesign that altme thing.
========

Alternatively (but more annoying), group content isn't updated until 
you click the group, but the server could send notification of new 
messages in the group anyway. Not so great for offline use, though.

Glad someone is monitoring this ... how the heck do you know there 
is a new message in this thread, aaah, group as we should call it?

the group name turns red, and new messages in a group have the username 
highlighted

You could try:

\group

/group

Hi. So is this the correct group to ask a codingn question?

New people should check group "Private Groups" for groups, they might 
be interested in to join. And then just ask to be joined, and it 
will happen!

Can i use a bigger font?

I can't reach the resize button to reduce the window somewhatt. How 
can this be done?

Is it possible to do a search in a group or the whole of ta world?

In settings I have 1000 messages per group

On Linux it's even more awkward than on other systems. You have to 
go through an exact procedure that I've written up several times 
here in the AltME group

Shame on you, Izkata, for advocating the use of the old reflectors 
in the "I'm new" group. Don't teach bad habits :(
In R2 and R3:
>> foreach [key value] body-of X [print [key {->} value]]
a -> 1
b -> 2
c -> 3
>> foreach key words-of X [print [key {->} get key]]
a -> 1
b -> 2
c -> 3

re: area hilight. Refer rebgui-edit.r

	;added AREA too according to Robert's request -Cyphre
	hilight-on-focus: [area edit-list field spinner]

 caret-on-focus: [area drop-list edit-list field grid password spinner]
	action-on-enter: [drop-list edit-list field password spinner]


All of these can be modified at runtime by reference to ctx-rebgui/edit/<block>/<word> 
... the bigger question is what constitutes a reasonable set of default 
values.


re: radio-group. Robert's changes forced labels to be strings. I'm 
pretty comfortable with this change as label expects a string argument 
and a radio-group is a collection of labels. On the other hand, the 
reason I changed drop-list (to form all values) is that it is not 
reasonable to expect an arbitrary list of values to all be strings 
(e.g. a list of postcodes), and/or to expect the developer to maintain 
their string state. I'm open to counter arguments on this one though.

I've been thinking about Jean-Francois' comment. A simple but complete 
working example of a RebGUI + SQLite database would really help us 
those of us that are not professionals. If I start a new group for 
this, and reduce my program to just a few fields to make it as simple 
as possible, would you guys help me get it working? and we will just 
leave it in the public domain.

radio-group: The DATA block format has changed in our version. You 
now use:
	data [1 "text-1" 1 "text-2" 2 "text-3" 3]


The first INTEGER specifies the default value. All labels get IDs. 
This has the advantage, that you can resort the labels but the ID 
is still valid. And this feature you need if you store the selection 
of a radio-group in a database.

I looked at the nano-sheets but they use 'do which is not going to 
be safe.  Since this is not a Rebgui issue, I'll move this to the 
core group.

btiffin, feel free to interrupt, that's what this group is for. ;)

A simple example of sharing the same word is:

	v: "Hello World!"
	display "Test" [
		f1: field v
		f2: field v
	]


but once the display is substantiated then f1/text and f2/text contain 
their own copies of v. Tying them back is a manual process.


If you are copying values between a database and RebGUI "forms" then 
you may want to take a look at the get-input and put-input functions, 
they were added to make forms management easier (it saves you from 
having to assign widgets to words).

build#55 committed to SVN. Numerous widget fixes and enhancements 
to the following widgets:

	anim
	
arrow
	
bar
	
box

	button
	
field
	
group-box
	
image
	
label
	
pane
	l
progress
	
spinner
	
splitter
	
text
	
tab-pane
	title-group


The most noticeable improvements include the following tab-panel 
enhancements:

	first tab action now fires when widget is first displayed

 can select an alternate tab to initially display with "options [tab 
 2]" etc

 can programmatically select a tab at runtime with var/select-tab 
 2

title-group and panel now have rounded corners.

Group-boxes, for me, have a visual anomaly now where the left edge 
eats into the label text of group-box

build#57 committed to SVN. spinner and group-box fixes as above.

radio-group: As discussed once, radio-group used item IDs so that 
you can change the order or wording of itmes and still select the 
new ones from old saved records.

Fix in that reverts to previous behaviour?

 Do you mean where no number (or none) is specified then it should 
 default to no selection? If so, I can revert to that in the next 
 build.


As for radio-group item IDs, I'm not convinced of the utility of 
that. I don't exactly see people clamouring for item IDs on other 
widgets. I don't know, anyone using item IDs care to explain what 
practical (as opposed to theoretical) benefit they offer?

radio-groups: Ok, maybe my english is bad. Let's try with an example:
	radio-group ["Option 1" "Option 2"]


Now I have to save the user selection into a database. So I store 
"Option 1". 

While further developing my app the code becomes:
	radio-group ["Option A" "Option B" "Option C"]

Now:

- How to restore an older data-record with"Option 1" which now becoma 
"Option B"?


If we use IDs I can decouple the texts from the stored values in 
the DB.

since radio-group/selected saves the associated text, that might 
be a better way to store the choice.  Then make a complementary radio-group/select-item 
n [ integer! string!]

Ashley, yes please - revert to previous behaviour where no number 
=> no selection in radio group.

:-) We have a game group. You could start posting there and see, 
what will happen.

:-)

Kib, feel free to ask questions about all this. It may easily get 
blurred, when we talk like this. And it shows you, that we're often 
in doubt, because REBOL is so deep. (I hope, it's ok, we do this 
in the Rebol School group.)

Let's switch to the Math group.

add-seps: func [
        "Insert group separators"
        str [any-string!]
        /with sep [string! char!]
        /reb "Use REBOL group separator"
    ][
        sep: any [sep all [reb #"'"] #","]
        str: skip any [find str "."  tail str] -3
        while [not head? str] [
            insert str sep
            str: skip str -3
        ]
        str
    ]

And the last one in this group of function-defining functions, try

? has
source has

But when I put it after a button like this:
    group [

        button "Open"	browse url-site    <-- this code works only if it is 
        done before the VIEW  
        button "Reset" 	reset 
        button "Cancel"	close

Try this:
REBOL []
; Assignments ------------------------------------
k-prefix:	[http://www.]
k-suffix:	[.com]
txt-site:	[hulu]
url-site:	to-url ajoin [k-prefix txt-site k-suffix]

; Main-procedure ---------------------------------
load-gui
view [
    title "WebSite Selector" 
    text "Please choose a website you would like to open" 
    panel 2 [
        label "URL:" 
        txt-site: field "Hulu"
        label "WebSites:" 
        area 
    ] 
    group [
        button "Open"	browse url-site 
        button "Reset" 	reset 
        button "Cancel"	close 
]	]

inspiration:

view [group [f: field] group [button do [probe get-face f]]]

On 19-Feb-2009 in this group I said that Tiny C Compiler (TCC) had 
problems. Well, I tried again using the latest version from git repository 
and successfully created a shared object library which can be accessed 
by Rebol. So, Vladimir's tunel.r code, which I ported to C, can now 
be compiled using TCC (as well as GCC). This is good because TCC 
is much smaller (and faster) than GCC and can hopefully be integrated 
in nice, small cross-platform packages.

Vladimir, it's fairly easy to - instead of HTML - generate an XSL-FO 
directly from REBOL and use the open source FO-Processor FOP from 
the Apache group to generate PDFs. You don't have to delve into XSL-Transformations 
yet have the full power of exact control over the layout.

And it wouldn't work with EXIT, since the dynamically scoped version 
of the function wouldn't be able to call the definitionally scoped 
RETURN. The whole section gives the impression of not being thought 
through. And we're in the wrong group for this discussion.

Continuing in the right group...

we went over all that in the i'm new group.  :-)

Given the subject of this group, I figured that knowing *why* these 
decisions were made might be helpful :)

Shadwolf -- you are off-topic for this group.
Please switch to ~vent.
Thanks!

Shadwolf -- you are off-topic for this group.
Please switch to ~vent.
Thanks!

we usually simply say "let's talk in group X", if a specific topic 
is inappropriate for the current group.

Look in the !QM QuarterMaster group here