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I've been very busy since yesterday on a new tool for Red: I've built 
a proper REBOL code profiler! (I wonder why I haven't done that since 
a long time...). I went through the profiler scripts on rebol.org 
and couldn't one suitable for my needs or that works with complex 
code, so I wrote one. It is able to deal with complex code, all datatypes, 
recursive calls and it's very simple to use.


Here's a demo profiling Red compiler (output is properly aligned 
when monospace font is used):

-= Red Compiler =-
Compiling red/tests/test.red ...

...compilation time:     40 ms

Compiling to native code...

...compilation time:     10189 ms
...linking time:         60 ms
...output file size:     37888 bytes
>> profiler/report/time


Function                       Count      Elapsed Time         % 
of ET

------------------------------------------------------------------------

compile                        1          0:00:10.249          100.0

comp-dialect                   205        0:00:09.659          94.24

fetch-expression               7505       0:00:09.628          93.94

comp-word                      5668       0:00:08.209          80.09

fetch-into                     427        0:00:07.519          73.36

comp-assignment                597        0:00:07.049          68.77

run                            3          0:00:06.492          63.34

comp-context                   21         0:00:06.398          62.42

comp-with                      1          0:00:05.565          54.29

comp-expression                3172       0:00:04.479          43.70

ns-find-with                   24277      0:00:03.962          38.65

finalize                       1          0:00:03.327          32.46

comp-natives                   1          0:00:03.274          31.94

comp-func-body                 180        0:00:03.271          31.91

comp-call                      2775       0:00:02.732          26.65

comp-func-args                 2861       0:00:01.862          18.16

find-aliased                   9650       0:00:01.86           18.14

resolve-type                   8032       0:00:01.799          17.55

get-type                       10758      0:00:01.546          15.08

ns-prefix                      21765      0:00:01.518          14.81

check-enum-symbol              7509       0:00:01.241          12.10

comp-block                     283        0:00:01.05           10.24

comp-variable-assign           417        0:00:01.034          10.08

For those testing Unicode output on Windows, you need to change the 
default raster font of DOS console to Consolas (recommended) or Lucida. 
The default font is unable to print Unicode characters.

You can add support for CJK to Windows very easily. Just check one 
radio-box in font or localization settings.

Is it possible to add such font to DOS console?

font I use is Lucida Console ...

dunno if bug, or I should somehow adapt font, anything else, etc.

I've just tested it on Windows console (using Consolas font), it 
works fine.

Maybe it is a font problem with the console then?

yes, my font is Lucida Console. There is only one other option - 
raster ... I can't select any other font in that dialog ...

If you want you can manually install Consolas font as explained here: 
http://www.hanselman.com/blog/UsingConsolasAsTheWindowsConsoleFont.aspx

OK, but the other reported things helped to find some bugs? All was 
it all just a font issue?

No, there were bugs and that last one is a font issue.

OK, so now I am back after the reboot, so my default Vista console 
uses nice Consolas font, and it now displays everything (apart from 
Chinese) correctly ...

Consolas font: probably not, I'll ask

Thanks! I have added a mention about missing Chinese font on some 
of the screenshots, just in case someone thinks it's a bug.

How do we install support for Unicode when using a Windows console 
?
 


You just need to select Lucida or Consolas font, raster font has 
no Unicode support. The CJK plans are not supported anyway by those 
fonts AFAIK.

I thought about that too, label font color can be set, but I was 
afraid it would slow down the app. That is why I chose to build the 
extra mirrors as a seperate layer to show on top of the grid-layer 
and the unchangeble mirror-layer.

New version of the mirror game placed on same spot. Only on first 
screen the coloring doesn't work. See what happens if you comment 
the line before the last. Bold did not work for me either, could 
be the mac and font arial.

In conjunction we did a new R3-GUI release as well.


added DETAB flag support
fixed TEXT-AREA issues
fixed TEXT init-size handling
fixed SIZE-TXT bug
built new R3GUI release (version 4897)
delete "experimental" layout-sizing-independent.r3
improve rouding
move docs/r3-gui/ to documentation/r3/r3-gui/

remove documentation/r3/r3-gui/license/ directory containing obsolete 
license
Copyright notice update
license update
typo fixed
Rounding correction
improved rotate event handling

improved drag handling code (removed duplicate gui-events/drag reference)
improved android text input handling
fixed progress resizing
improved text-able cell font handling
fonts are antialiased by default on android now

http://development.saphirion.com/resources/r3-gui.r

This tool lets you visualize information by specifying how a value 
is mapped to a visually recognizable property like color, font, font-size, 
line width, etc.


You get a complete interactive editor to make such models. Immediate 
visual feedback is the major goal of our tool.


You can mix data from different sources to visualize multi-dimensional 
information. Here is an example of such a model:

so font/color: white it is, how to do the bold?

font/style: 'bold


or font/style [bold]  which you can pair with italic like so  font/style: 
[bold italic]

Mmm, I wanted to change the font on  just 1 label, but ALL labels 
in the app now have font color white.

That's because font objects and other attribute objects are shared 
by widgets. It's one of the standard starter gotchas

To change specific faces, copy the font object

That crossed my mind too, using copy of something but I couldn't 
find it, probably because I don't have a suitable font object or 
two to copy yet :-)

Very nice game! I got "Bad font style!" several times at the start. 
Which font is used?

hmm, the game doesn't work here:
** Script Error: labelfont has no value
** Where: zet-label-kleur
** Near: panel-rechts/pane/:p/font: labelfont
either onoff [panel-rechts/pane/:p/font: lbl-r/font]
>>

Any ideas?

I didn't change anything with the source.  Even this doesn't work:
>> do http://arnoldvanhofwegen.com/stuff/mirror.rebol
connecting to: arnoldvanhofwegen.com
Script: "Mirrorgame" (none)
** Script Error: labelfont has no value
** Where: zet-label-kleur
** Near: panel-rechts/pane/:p/font: labelfont
either onoff [panel-rechts/pane/:p/font: lbl-r/font]
>>

mine runs, but just complains about the bad font style ..

now bad font style error gone too.

@Rebolek Thanks, that wil be on the list together with line width 
and color and font-size preferences, a multilingual help function 
and a resize mechanism. ((:

To get Unicode output on Windows, you need to switch the command 
prompt to Consolas font

I don't think you would gain anything by using SDL to get R3GUI faster. 
AFAIK SDL has no 2d graphics support...it's just low-level lib for 
handling the OpenGL or 2d framebuffer. There is no support for 2d 
vector graphics, font rendering etc. so you'll end with the same 
needs for the UI engine in the end.

As Pekr mentioned above, with the new R3 graphics code reorganization 
I'm working on it will be possible to even create a compositor based 
on SDL though if anyone is interested in doing that.

I changed 1 label the font/color by setting panel1/pane/:n/text/font/color: 
white  and now all text fields including ones not on the panel are 
written in white. :-(

That is another attribute of VID, which is that many faces share 
the same font object. Update one, updates all font objects. The purpose 
of this is to save memory, but it comes off more as inconvenient, 
when doing things like this.

Update one, updates all font objects.
 => "Update one, updates all faces."

You can copy the font object with something like this:

label "boo" with [font: make font []]


There are other ways to trigger copying the font object during the 
layout process, but I can't exactly remember how, right now.

If I could switch it from a text to a label it would be nice. As 
yet I have this puzzling experience:
REBOL []
high-on: high-on-odd: false
swap-even: func [/local n] [

    either high-on [for n 2 8 2 [ panel-rechts/pane/:n/font/color: 'white] 
    high-on: false

    ][              for n 1 7 2 [ panel-rechts/pane/:n/font/color: 'black] 
    high-on: true ]
    show panel-rechts]

swap-odd: func [/local n] [

    either high-on-odd [for n 1 7 2 [panel-rechts/pane/:n/font/color: 
    'white

                                     panel-rechts/pane/:n/style: 'lbl-h-la-white] high-on-odd: false
    ][for n 1 7 2 [panel-rechts/pane/:n/font/color: 'black

                   panel-rechts/pane/:n/style: 'lbl-h-la-normal] high-on-odd: true]
    show panel-rechts]

spiegel-styles: stylize [
    lbl-h-la-normal: text left middle 40x100
    lbl-h-la-white: label left middle 40x100]
    
view layout [styles spiegel-styles
	across
	panel-rechts: panel [below space 0x0

    lbl-h-la-white "_" lbl-h-la-white "_" lbl-h-la-normal "_" lbl-h-la-normal 
    "_"

    lbl-h-la-normal "_" lbl-h-la-normal "_" lbl-h-la-normal "_" lbl-h-la-normal 
    "_"]
    return
    button "Even" [swap-even] button "Odd" [swap-odd]
    button "Debug" [print dump-face panel-rechts
    print panel-rechts/pane/1/font/color
    print panel-rechts/pane/1/color
    print panel-rechts/pane/1/style]
]

Where the first two labels change when button Odd is clicked. and 
then stay unchanged and the debug button shows the changes as expected 
(by me)

When I name the labels lr1 thru lr8 and use the trick I found on 
www.pat665.free.fr/gtk/rebol-view.html which is w: to-word rejoin 
["lr" n] (for n is 1, 2, 3 or    8 you get the picture.) and f: get 
:w 

f/font/color: white and directly show the label: show f I can set 
them seperately. But it is a bit ugly to do it like this if I may 
say so.

I don't rememeber who did the neon effect, but here it is.

font-C: make face/font [style: [ bold ] size: 64]
neon: "REBOL BAR"
coord: 30x15
inc: 0.25.25
draw-block: compose [
	line-join round font font-c

 pen (inc * 1 + 255.0.0.230) line-width 11 text vectorial coord neon

 pen (inc * 2 + 255.0.0.205) line-width 9 text vectorial coord neon

 pen (inc * 3 + 255.0.0.180) line-width 8 text vectorial coord neon

 pen (inc * 4 + 255.0.0.155) line-width 7 text vectorial coord neon

 pen (inc * 5 + 255.0.0.130) line-width 6 text vectorial coord neon

 pen (inc * 6 + 255.0.0.105) line-width 5 text vectorial coord neon

 pen (inc * 7 + 255.0.0.80) line-width 4 text vectorial coord neon

 pen (inc * 8 + 255.0.0.55) line-width 3 text vectorial coord neon

 pen (inc * 9 + 255.0.0.30) line-width 2 text vectorial coord neon

 pen (inc * 10 + 255.0.0.5) line-width 1 text vectorial coord neon
]

view/title layout [ box black 450x200 effect [ draw draw-block ] 
] "NEON"

Did you use the code on the blog post? It's different form the one 
here, I added the font support for Linux: you have to ad the path 
where are the font. Read carefull the post.

I was wrong. Simple programs like (print "Hello World") compile and 
execute, but programs with a lot of code compile but produce a series 
of errors when executed. I noticed a pattern. Wherever a word is 
not followed by ':' causes errors, examples below. Perhaps it's just 
this linux version of enface?

    stylize [
        fld80: field 80x28 font-size 17 white ivory center
        .......
    ]

produces the error:

    ** Script Error: stylize has no value
    ** Near: new-styles: stylize [
        fld80: field 80x28 font-size 17 white ivory center 
        fld400: field 400x28 font-size 17 whit...

I'll try this on windows when I have the opportunity.

For me Altme is almost unusable if not used on Windows. I miss a 
way how to customize it. Just 2 font size versions and hardcoded 
font is a big problem.

Some more ideas:

write altme://user:[pass-:-Rebol3]/!AltME/ "message"

Resolved of the first url here to the second url
by the Rebol3 world (local distribution):

altme://user:[pass-:-Rebol3]/!AltME/239
is resolved to:
altme://user:[pass-:-Rebol3]/151/239

151 is the set-file number for the !AltME group, and
239 is the message id.

read altme://user:[pass-:-Rebol3]/!AltME
;== [set-number 151 first-available-message 1 last-message 242]


So it returns some group info, not the content of all the messages 
!

To get a message:

read altme://user:[pass-:-Rebol3]/!AltME/239

;== [(date) 9 (colour) [font [fg 0.0.0 bg 240.240.240]] "We are working 
towards that."]

To find a user name by the set-number:

read altme://user:[pass-:-Rebol3]/9

;== ["Reichart" [reichart-:-safeworlds-:-com] (membership) (dates etc..)]

I am using large font, so I see you as:
Jean-Fran
	çois

Settings - [Font  Size]

(1) Allowing translation (external language file with program strings)
(2) Ability to mark all messages as read
(3) Font size settings
(4) Users rights (limited guest account would be a good step)

0) multiple fallback mechanisms for getting/staying connected.

1) absolute control of what is actualy removed from local machine... 
ever.

2) better support for using a single account from several machines.
3) better support for using several worlds from one computer.

4) finer control of what posts you are exposed to. (groups and users 
and users in groups) 
5) filesharing
6) api,locks, so we can muck with the filesets.

7) calendar,just fix it up. hour/day/week views, sorting,repeated,various 
alerts ...
8) adjustable font sizes

9) search should return hits (the text) from further back than your 
message buffer limit.
10) OSX support & recycle bug

the default background and foreground colors.  I prefer dark background 
and dark text, and if no one has specifically chosen a font, it would 
be kindest if that text showed up in my default (or at least pickable) 
colors.  I don't mind if it doesn't look to the environment to know 
those colors, as long as I can turn down the light.  the column with 
the names it wouldn't matter

my code is very similar to Carl's, most of the additions are just 
to support literate programming and you won't need them. i'm emitting 
clean xhtml (no <font> etc. stuff) so that the look can be 100% configured 
via CSS.

Nice set of subtle colours!

On my Win-based machine,  all selected text is the same colour....white 
text on dark blue (though that is configurable)
***

A thought: if instead of FONT tags  you could switch to CSS. Then 
your experiments could use the same class names as the Library. Implementing 
that as your personal CSS on REBOL.org would be trivial

I see geomol has updated his personal CSS at the Library.....You 
can now look at any script using his set of colours and font effects...Much 
better than the system default!!
Example:

http://www.rebol.org/cgi-bin/cgiwrap/rebol/view-script.r?color=yes&script=acgiss.r&css=geomol

(just add css=geomol to *any* Library URL. Or set your CSS preference).

And anyone can play the game -- devise and publish your own CSS for 
script coloring or any other aspect of the Library:

http://www.rebol.org/cgi-bin/cgiwrap/rebol/boiler.r?display=css-help.html

A way to go may be to make a deep analyse of, what a document is 
- what it consist of. There are basic elements like letters, dividers 
(<br/>), ... Then there are bigger elements (containers) like notes, 
tables, ... And we can talk about change of state like bold-on, bold-off, 
italic-on, italic-off, font change, etc. The containers should be 
strictly hierarchical. The basic elements and the containers will 
be represented in a sequence. The inside of a container is maybe 
also a sequence. Decisions should be made, if change of state can 
happen anywhere, or if going to one state and back is a container 
too. (I'm thinking loud here, you may notice.)

Just installed Ubuntu Linux for the first time. REBOL/View's font 
rendering is correct on it. I hope that will still be the case with 
the new version that will be released in a month

I run hoary on two Ubuntu machines. no problems except the font size

I installed Warty. Is the font size in /View a problem on Hoary?

no garbling at all. just slightly different font sizes.

OK, thanks. Most Debian-derived distros don't trigger the font bug

ok, DPI setting for the ubuntu box is 96 DPI. maybe AltME has an 
"anti-garbling" feature of headlines by turning down the font size 
while everything else is bigger

Maybe its related, on suse 9.0 i change in xf86config
  FontPath     "/usr/X11R6/lib/X11/fonts/75dpi:unscaled"
to
  FontPath     "/usr/X11R6/lib/X11/fonts/75dpi:scaled"
Else /view finds only a few matching font-sizes.

No, font-size-problems. before the default was to large, and some 
things like h1 did not work.

Rebolinth: the fonts are supported by DRAW dialect but you have to 
specify full absolute path to the font at the moment.(we are investigating 
better solution for this)

fnt1: make face/font [
	name: "/usr/share/fonts/truetype/freefont/FreeSans.ttf"
	size: 32
]
fnt2: make face/font [

 name: "/usr/share/fonts/truetype/freefont/FreeSansBoldOblique.ttf"
	size: 64
]

view layout [
	origin 0
	box snow 400x100 effect [
		draw [
			pen black
			font fnt1
			text anti-aliased 0x0 "Rebol Rulez!"
			pen blue yellow
			fill-pen red
			line-pattern 10 10
			line-width 2
			font fnt2
			text vectorial 0x30 "Rebol Rulez!"
		]
	]
]

NOTE: you migth want to change the font paths accordint to your specific 
Linux distro.

It is an experimental feature as the font name definition surely 
change in future.

yes yes ;-)

but so far none of the vera or arial or sans ttf fonts did show up...However 
rebol does not give me a warnign so it now upto the right font it 
seems..

you need to find a path to your fonts and you can use any ttf font. 
I don't know what YALN(yet another Linux distro) are you running 
;)

It is vectorial font so I guess this shouldn't be a problem but you 
can try other sizes or other fonts??

Its strange.. I should not be needing to run a fontserver..My desktop 
is already anti-aliased with fonts and so it the rest..But rebol 
still does not display it... mmm It does load the font though..(also 
when i look with an Strace during the execute rebol does read the 
font..) it simply does not display it ..yet! ;-)

>> probe fnt1

make object! [
    name: "/usr/X11R6/lib/X11/fonts/TTF/VeraMono.ttf"
    style: none
    size: 32
    color: 0.0.0
    offset: 2x2
    space: 0x0
    align: 'center
    valign: 'center
    shadow: none
]

Cyphre..are those bitstream fonts you are using? I dont seem to get 
ttf working or ANY other font working in my linux view version beside 
the default fonts...

Well.. all applications on my linux machine use and anti-aliased 
and truetype fonts....so that config is correct.. But what i try 
or what i run on fonts Linux simlpy doesnt display the font.. It 
loads the font.. (checked that)...but thats it.. just a white field.. 
So .. I give up... ;-(

just tried it with:
fnt1: make face/font [

 name: "/usr/share/fonts/truetype/ttf-bitstream-vera/VeraMono.ttf"
	size: 32
]
fnt2: make face/font [

 name: "/usr/share/fonts/truetype/ttf-bitstream-vera/VeraMoBI.ttf"
	size: 64
]

you can see the grabbed result here: http://www.rebol.cz/~cyphre/tests/font-test.png

Oo Pekr.. I was just currious If font would work with Draw under 
linux.. since Cyphre pointed out that it worked...

Pekr: OSX will have native font support so no need for FreeType.

Yes, AA fonts can be rendered using DRAW only in the current version. 
But I'm not sure that AA rendering of such small font sizes like 
in Altme mesages can improve reading ;)

the font suckiness varies for me. on some machines large fonts look 
really blocky, like an upscaled bitmap. it's probably more a question 
on which fonts the distribution has installed

No, it's just a mess, with several different font systems working 
against eachother - as usual in Linux

so i've got it working somehow, core works, but view and altme does 
not run with following error: User Error : REBOL : Cannot obtain 
default font

I've searched Synaptic for "font", instaled lot of them, rebooted 
and it started working :) First I've installed ia32 libraries from 
Volker's link.

I've heard about that font error from someone who upgraded from Ubuntu 
Breezy to Ubuntu Dapper. Did you do that?

maybe the font problem is xfce related, not 64/32bit.

^/view should tell something about missing font or such. *shrug*

Of, if you meant the background rather than font color:
pre {background-color: yellow}

The biggest advatnage you'll find in workflow is when the client 
starts making changes.


1000 pages all with <font color=blue> and they now want all <p>s 
to be green -- that's not a search and replace job -- you need to 
check the context of each <font> tag.. It might take hours. Next 
day, they ask for dark yellow.
In css:

p {color:blue} -- you can show them the whole site changed in 1 minute.


Though, of course, you need to think through the styles you need 
first. That's a big bit of the design.

I have a problem with some layout.


Trying to align an output of 'processingtime' and some 'footer' on 
the same line.. but I always end up wiht the footer a line below. 
The left-right alignment is correct though.

---
.footer {
	text-align: right;
	font:10px verdana, arial, helvetica, sans-serif;
	color: #666;
	background: transparent;
}

.processingtime {
	text-align: left;
	font:10px verdana, arial, helvetica, sans-serif;
	color: #666;
	background: transparent;
}
--

--
<div class="processingtime">some processing time</div>
<div class="footer">some trademarks stuffs</div>
--

inline is not enough. But it helps remove the 'newline'.

I also add in 'positioning' stuffs
-- 
.footer {
	display:inline;
	font:10px verdana, arial, helvetica, sans-serif;
	color: #666;
	background: transparent;
             position:absolute;
             right:0; 
} 
--

I manage to get it looks with this..

--
.footer {
	display:inline;
	font:10px verdana, arial, helvetica, sans-serif;
	color: #666;
	background: transparent;
             position:absolute;
             right:0; 
}



<span class="processingtime"><? echo round($current_time, 3) ?></span>

<span class="footer">&copy;&nbsp; NEUSTEPS TECHNOLOGIES PTE LTD, 
2003-2005</span>
--


not too sure if it is logically correct... but it looks the way I 
wants..

I already posted it to rebcode group as it's rebcode which allowed 
me to this, but will like to post it here as well, because the main 
reason was to improve the Rebol/Flash dialect again....

Maybe you know that in Flash you can have embedded outlined fonts 
(independend on system) Most of the font's looks blury if you use 
them as outlines so you must use special fonts to get non blured 
pixel precision fonts. I was using some font editor just to see, 
that it's pretty difficult to make such a font so I decided it would 
be good to have possibility to make such a font just in any graphic 
editor - as a bitmap and comnvert it to pixels. Here is the result:


do http://box.lebeda.ws/~hmm/rebol/projects/font-tools/latest/test.r

BTW - see SimpleFont http://www.simplefont.com/(font editor)

I was thinking about making visual editor as well, but don't think 
it's so important, I have my font and that's enough for now:)

maybe I could hack the trutype spac to have possibility to save the 
font as a TTF as well

hm, but you make 3 fonts and then nobody will need it:) there is 
not many possibilities to make something original in 7x8 pixel grid:) 
and yes, the main reason was, that there are no font's with diacritics 
for my language (even the commercial one don't have it)

I have a Samsung 213T (1600x1200), and like it very much. I do use 
the larger font size in AltME though. Not as big as the Dell, but 
there are good deals to be had on it.

This is working for IE and FF and should be added to Carl's blog 
as well:

pre {font: bold 10pt "courier new", monospace, console; width: 630px; 
overflow: auto; background-color: #f0f0f0; padding: 16px; border: 
solid #c0c0c0 1px;}

verdana font - which i may have to change for OSX/Linux compatibility

please note that I have used the Verdana font so if you want ti to 
display properly in linux rename the font to something else

version 5 released: http://rebol.mustard.co.nz/rebtower-0.0.5.zip
notes:
0.0.5 	fixed card font display, rebalanced deck (somewhat)
- removed debug-info
- resources: right justified text

- Times Roman font on front page (needs a better looking welcome 
page)
- Stealing Vista UI on video is a copyright infringement.

- Bottom controls (just under 3 video frames) were hidden when I 
first came in (I needed to pull the iframe down).
- "Who is online" needs to be a list on the left side.

- The chance to send video took about 3 minutes, so I did not see 
how to do this.  The video box should say it will do this for you 
at some point.