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I'm sure this is a stupid question, but how do you enter a return 
(newline) into an AltMe entry directly, without precomposing your 
entry in a text editor or some such?

Louis:  This is not my world, you would have to ask Carl.

Will, pasted from what?  That is the key.  Please look at the contents 
of your paste in a hex editor, and tell me if it has CR, LF, LF + 
CR,. or CR + LF.

Problem can be easily demonstrated by copying the following three 
lines from TexEdit (Notepad like default text editor on Mac):

One
Two
Three

Actually, this looks like a WindowsXP or NTFS problem, not a problem 
of rebol at all, because I can "Run D:\Anton\Dev\Rebol\View\rebol.r...." 
and my text editor (associated with .R files) pops up to edit rebol.r

The decompressed string was identical to the original string. The 
compression/decompression has nothing to do with it. The problem 
is in loading a string of code copied straight from an editor or 
somewhere. If that code had been MOLDed first it would have been 
OK.
>> mold #"^M"

== {#"^^M"}        ;<--------- note the double escape, this string 
loads properly.

correction, result is == ["a" "b"]
my "do from editor molded /only..

(you were right about the editor too, 1 night was too little)

Just curious if it looked up the site for a directory. part of my 
rebol editor I am working on.

aha, you give me so many ideas for my editor...

aha...a datatype-sensitive editor...see, I should close down the 
right side of my brain so the left side can type code easier.

data-type sensitive editor  but normally rebol is datatype unsensive 
 :)

REBOL is an interpreted, internet messaging language. Highly flexible, 
REBOL 

saves time by reducing the amount of code you need to write. Code 
and data are 

the same. You can find and collapse repetitive patterns in data or 
code. Write 

your own dialects. Very easy to install, test and debug. Use the 
text editor you 
like.

Sunanda, Can it be a manually maintained xml file until it can be 
automated?  I am doing that for my internal blog until I add the 
automation code to blog. r (that I expect Carl already has on his 
version).  I have a trigger for when a blog article is added to use 
"editor ftp://...../rss.xml"to make whatever additions that I want 
to expose via RSS.  It's suboptimal but I don't have any complaints 
from the people that they have to visit the pages to see What's New. 
 And since they weren't visiting regularly to poll for What's New 
anyway, if the RSS feed it updated a few hours later it is still 
an improvement.

Ryan Cole had done hex-edit.r  found on my hard drive...wasn't in 
Library when I searched on hex and editor

As Reichart says somewhere, Altme REBOL3 is great for quick problem 
solving. But you have to find it first. Like most of the REBOLsphere 
it is close to invisible

(eg eFishAnt's recent serach for a REBOL hex editor. They exist: 
but can you find them?)


REBOL.org is just about the only exception to the invisibleness of 
the REBOLsphere -- try looking in Google for
   script library
as an example.

Sunanda, you're right about that ascii-math.r file. When I clicked 
the [Download script] link, the browser (konqueror) downloaded and 
directly opened it with the editor (SciTE). SciTE thought it was 
8-bit ascii, and showed the characters incorrectly. All I had to 
do was change the file encoding from 8-bit to utf-8 and the characters 
appeared correctly. I guess the editor had no way of determining 
the encoding, and incorrectly guessed 8-bit ascii.

Vim and Editor² display the chars incorrectly.
Notepad++ shows the chars correctly.

Of the various editors / word processors I have immediately to hand:

-- credit.exe -- [my usual editor] shows incorrect chars, and has 
no option to switch to UTF-8

-- open office writer -- works fine if you take the UTF-8 option 
when asked
-- ms word -- claims file is corrupt
-- word perfect -- makes a complete mess

-- R2/View's built in editor ( editor %/c/path to my local copy//ascii-math.r) 
-- shows incorrect chars

Using Peter's code (thanks again!), I've made two changes to the 
download-a-script link:


1. if we find UTF-8 chars in a script, we download it with the HTTP 
content type charset=utf-8


But that probably makes no practical difference.  A downloaded script 
will be saved by the browser, and then opened by a text editor. The 
text editor is unlikey to be passed the charset setting. So:


2. Scripts with UTF-8 encoding are downloaded with a few lines of 
comment at their top. The comment explains the possible problem.


Thanks to all for the comments and help with getting things this 
far.

Dont know, I figured it out largely by examining the ctx-edit object 
(view editor)

ah, cool, I will play with that some.  Aren't you making an editor 
of some type?

A rebol code editor.

Thanks for all those suggestions.   I was out for quite a while and 
am very happy of all those remarks. It will help orient my trials&errs. 
 About  objects, dynamic versus static, If I understand it, in Rebol 
it is static?  I never had to use them except to encapsulate the 
whole of an app.  Is there a trick to mimick something dynamic to 
hold changing values?  Maybee a copied block is enough?  I wonder 
because I regularly try to add code to a bibliographic database, 
a kind of a variation on bibtex (never ended, allways in progress), 
And I am not too far from aiming the storage mechanism and wonder 
what I should use to hold something like from 5 to 10 thousand references 
(my actual need is 3.5K)  I used endnotes in the past, but dreamed 
about my own.  It is a lot of work (more than I expected as it is 
my first app).   Up to now I think I will use simply name-value pairs, 
like Carl's cardex.  This kind of data is more like a ragged array, 
the fields and their numbers allways vary, and I may amend their 
list with time.  The idea of using an object would be nice but need 
something where I may add or retract variable names and change their 
values.  By the way, I thank Volker for his edit-tools, that may 
help to add a writing pad.  And his double slider is refreshingly 
new for such and old paradigm as an editor.

@Pekr: I use the vi editor (now mostly vim) to write code, and it 
allow me to set auto-indent, so when I start something indented, 
it'll stay indented, when I go to next line. Further indenting is 
done by inserting a <tab>, and going back is done with <backspace>. 
So it's no big problem for me to write code indented as makedoc require.

One of the goals with the MakeDoc format is, that it's possible to 
easily read with a normal text window, and some people may want to 
edit it with a normal text editor and write the formatting chars 
themselves. XML is not suited for that. XML also has the same start- 
and end-tag problem (that I mentioned above) as HTML.

yes, a make-doc friendly editor, if done right could enhance doc 
writing even further than makedoc2.r takes it.

being "agile" with lines for such an editor makes sense to me.

for REBOL code, a block-sensitive editor is needed.

yes like crimsom editor or emacs that warns you what [ correspond 
to what ]

a good editor i think is the SCITE made for GUI4CLI  it includes 
all this kind functionnality

that not the applicable to MDP-GUI but for rebol rad tool it could 
be very nice

Has anyone a syntax file handy for use in gedit, the default text 
editor in gnome?

was looking also but didn't find one.
try this nice editor instead: http://www.scintilla.org/
syntax file & function folding included.
also available via paketmanager -> scite

(AFAIK:) The browser submits what read-cgi reads. Post means: give 
script all data in stdin (system/ports/input). Thats for lots of 
data, when you post something. Get means, give data in url. Thats 
for getting data, the query is only short (and typable in urlbar). 
So read-cgi write that in a file and read it in an editor.

NVU is old Mozilla attempt to separate page editor into something 
like FrontPage. I think it is not developed anymore, but some ppl 
do continue with developments under the name Kompozer. More info 
here - https://wiki.mozilla.org/NVU:Home_Page

I just looked at the Eudora web site and this is a big problem with 
Eudora.  They tell how to delete the index files to let the program 
rebuild them. But if that doesn't work they say:


If the mailbox does not display your old mail or if Eudora crashes, 
the mailbox is irreparably damaged or corrupted.


You can make a final ditch effort to try to recover the text of the 
email. With Eudora completely closed, go to the backup of the .MBX 
that you saved in Step #4 above. Open that .MBX with a Text Editor, 
like Notepad or Wordpad. If there's any recoverable data, a Text 
Editor may be able to read it.

Requesting Opinions.  Being a crusty old forther, I really really 
miss the immersive nature of the block editor environment.  Coding 
in forth meant never leaving forth.  Editor, debugger, disk drivers 
etc... all forth commands.  No need to ever have the brain exit forth 
mode.  Now that Rebol is my language of the future, I kinda pine 
for the past.  The wonder and beauty of Rebol keeps being interrupted 
by decisions on what to use to edit that last little bit of script. 
 Notepad, Crimson Editor, Rebol editor? A small annoyance but it 
still disrupts the brain from getting to streaming mode.  So now 
to the question.  My first crack at a forth block editor dialect 
failed miserably.  Dialects need to be LOADable for parse to function. 
 Editing source code makes for unloadable situations.  Do I just 
give up on it and learn to live in the third millenium?  Write a 
utility that doesn't use dialects (which seems to unRebol the solution)? 
 I thought I'd ask you guys, just in case there is a light shining 
in front of me that I can't see.  Thanks in advance.

Well, I've never gone Forth, and I'm not sure what a block editor 
is, but maybe you can benefit from some console commands. I almost 
always use Crimson Editor. I have an EDIT command which launches 
Crimson Editor, and I navigate the filesystem in the rebol console 
using dir-utils.r, which supplies unix-like filesystem commands; 
CD, LS, MV etc.
http://anton.wildit.net.au/rebol/os/windows/edit.r
http://anton.wildit.net.au/rebol/library/dir-utils.r

The Ctrl-E execute trick in Crimson is close but it is still a mental 
context switch.  Editor -> Rebol -> editor -> etc...  My old mantra 
was "Compile Link Go...Away, Go Go Go is much better"

I'm actually not using Ctrl-E in Crimson Editor. It's just not as 
simple as launching it yourself, and every editor does it differently.

So the mental switch is between the editor and the rebol console, 
being separate applications.

this is not entirely related, I think (I'm only a bit above beginner's 
level, so I may not be understanding your problem right) but I wrote 
a tool some time ago called Tester. It allows you to write code and 
test it directly without leaving the environment. This is not an 
editor per se, but a rigid workflow tool to write and test code. 
You can read about it in the !Tester group.

Yep.  A small annoyance...Rebol is more than worth it.  I probably 
just give in to the current state of editor/language being two different 
planes of existence.

you can execute inside the editor

Graham; Yep.  Things are close.  I'll get over it someday.  But can 
you imagine the nirvana of a Rebol console/editor?

there is REBOL console editor in library.

I am not sure where your focus is.
Editor-dialect: put the edited code in strings, like
[ #1 {io-code} #2 {gui}]

Patch the inbuild editor to load and store there, instead iof storing 
to files.

And from the console a simple "ed #2" would edit it. but still in 
a seperate window.

Console: Or is it about that seperate window, do you want inside 
that rebol-console-window? More work, but rem-edit does that, maybe 
its author would help with fixing.

Sorry for the confusion here.  A forth "block" editor, uses a 1K 
chunk of disk as 16 lines of 64 characters.  There are forth words 
for the editor e.g.  9 LIST ( list block 9)     3 T ( Highlight line 
3)  P newword: ( n - n) DUP . ;   ( place the text "newword: ..." 
to end of command line onto line 3.  What you get is an editor that 
uses the same language that you are programming in.  Immersive.

Found a tool for css and firefox. Opens an editor in the sidebar 
with css for the main-page. and updates main-page on the fly on edit. 
https://addons.update.mozilla.org/extensions/moreinfo.php?application=firefox&version=1.0&os=MacOSX&category=DeveloperTools&numpg=10&id=179>EditCSS

In other words, if you open the exe in an icon editor, you will see 
all the different kinds of icons that are in there taking that space.

IconSushi.  It's not so much an editor as a compiler, importing PNG 
(including 32-bit) and BMP...

I agree with Graham. I have .R files associated with my editor. Perhaps 
you could pass in a flag to intelligently quit or not ?

Windows keeps track of all the programs used to open a particular 
file extension. Just right click the script then choose:

	Open With | Choose Program


and browse select the file you want to open it with (checking the 
"Always use ..." option if you want to permanently associate it). 
Thereafter, this file is displayed whenever you right-click and bring 
up the "Open with" menu. On my system I have multiple REBOL versions 
and editors available so I can easily choose how I want to open a 
script.


Anton: if your .R scripts are associated with your editor, how do 
you run them? Console session and do?

I have my .r associated with editor as well.  I run a console session 
to run rebol scripts.

Actually I'm doing research work on ricth tex editor with redered 
input ... It"s quite unachieved but I think that's a good work way. 
Instead of having input separated with preview I hope can find a 
good system to have both in same window

Asley I know that it. But that's not beacause RT is working on it 
too that we can't work on it right now with yet existent technologies 
and try to figure out how to do it with the limited capabilities 
(bacause we don't have aaccess to entire VM source code) we have. 
In futur once we yet trully have a working solution and VM will have 
officiallly the new technology AGG we could help Carl on TDM  by 
apporting our RTE/IR (ritch text editor input renderer) code to him. 
it's a base of search for us but it means to be one implicitly for 
Carl If we want to save his time and focus it on the important things 
we have maybe to take in charge some od research work  ;)

Ashley - and that is the trouble - I know NO text editor, which acts 
like that - deleting something to the end simply by pressing ctrl 
+ del?

Oh wow, Graham, it can't be ctrl-Y. I am used to that being redo 
!! :) Let the editor key bindings begin. ... :-O

I will try the new xml2rebxml.r, I think it would be nice to preserve 
the comments. If somebody writes xml in a text editor and makes some 
annotations, so it its nice, if he gets these comments back after 
processing the files with some other (REBOL) tool. But this feature 
has some lower priority.
I found some more thing in xml2rebxml.r, only the entities
      replace/all att-data ">" #">"
      replace/all att-data "&lt;" #"<"
      replace/all att-data "&amp;" #"&"
will be replaced,  the other two are missed, I think:
      replace/all att-data "&quot;" #"^""
      replace/all att-data "&apos;" #"'"

Gabriele; Really?  Is it just my small brain...but I can't focus 
on more than a webpage, an editor or altme  and gizmo and that all 
fits fine on on a 15" lcd.  When I work on the 21" that the graphic 
designer uses, I just get distracted.  I sit beside the 21, a 19 
but prefer to work on the 15.

also while working on qtask i used to have the debug console on one 
monitor and the editor / browser on the other. how much faster it 
was than when i was using one monitor only!

i did this kind of realtime coding once. i wrote a forth vm in awk 
at the #[forth-:-irc-:-freenode-:-net]. what i missed those times was a simple 
cooperative editor. it can b imagined as a whiteboard but there is 
only 1 "painting" tool is available, a cursor for writing text. (i 
was at the end of a 33.6kbps modemline those times, so i havent dared 
to dream about video :)

Have you tried MoonEdit. It's a cooperative editor : you can be several 
editing the same text in realtime.
Funny! But not sure "usefull" can be an adjectiv.

Anton, Maxim: noted. Hum... will have to test what happens if I use 
"début" with the accent. In VC++ console mode, the output doesn't 
use the same character table as the editor. Didn't think of checking 
this yet, but the classe will be held in French so I should check, 
although this is not vital.

Hi Anton -- This is my simulated input for a unicode text file:
	Line1...10....+...20....+...30....+...40....+...50
	Line2...10....+...20....+...30....+...40....+...50
If I run this code:
	InFile:		%"Small In unicode.txt"

 InText:	rejoin extract read InFile 2	; Convert from UNICODE to ANSI 
 but keeps double spacing.
	OutFile:	%"Test Out.txt"
	write OutFile InText
	print InText	
I get these results
	ÿLine1...10....+...20....+...30....+...40....+...50
	
	Line2...10....+...20....+...30....+...40....+...50
	

I get them in the output file when I use the Rebol editor, and in 
notebook (when I open the file) and I get them in console when PRINT 
InText.

Here is a piece of code from graphic editor.... I have problems with 
"insert-event-func"

I red part of docs (6.4 Focus and Keyboard Events)  but it doesnt 
help......... Well so far I'm ok, my editor can move on.... :)

Its ok like this... :) I can make what ever I need for my editor 
using this method. I guess things will be more controllable in R3...
Thanks again for help!

I already posted it to rebcode group as it's rebcode which allowed 
me to this, but will like to post it here as well, because the main 
reason was to improve the Rebol/Flash dialect again....

Maybe you know that in Flash you can have embedded outlined fonts 
(independend on system) Most of the font's looks blury if you use 
them as outlines so you must use special fonts to get non blured 
pixel precision fonts. I was using some font editor just to see, 
that it's pretty difficult to make such a font so I decided it would 
be good to have possibility to make such a font just in any graphic 
editor - as a bitmap and comnvert it to pixels. Here is the result:


do http://box.lebeda.ws/~hmm/rebol/projects/font-tools/latest/test.r

BTW - see SimpleFont http://www.simplefont.com/(font editor)

interesting, this one I haven't known, for me it's enough what I 
have (anyway it looks that you cannot make subpixel fonts with this 
editor and you must do the tracing by hand:)

I was thinking about making visual editor as well, but don't think 
it's so important, I have my font and that's enough for now:)

It is possible to create drag'n'drop editor in the dialect as well.. 
but first I have other goals. And maybe one day you will be able 
to create layout from Rebol VID too.

Q: I realize that the open sourcing of the viewtop wasn't that successful, 
but do you still intend to keep releasing newer versions of it? AFAIK 
the current release is over a year old. I've experienced a lot of 
obvious bugs in the viewtop editor, which I think can easily be solved 
by people outside RT.

Q: (note - my view may be influenced by insufficient knowledge in 
the area given) - last weeks I played with wrapping some Win32 functions. 
I started discussion on dll.so channel, to ask developers, if they 
would enhance interfacing to C libraries in some way, and there was 
few ideas appearing. We currently have also rather strange callbacks 
support (limited to 16) and I would like to ask, taking into account 
that DLL interface in Rebol was not changed/enhanced since it appeared 
long time ago, if RT sees any area in which it could be made more 
robust, developers friendly etc.?


A: We are planning to do a lot more on DLLs. In fact, future versions 
of REBOL will expand on the way DLLs are used in REBOL.   For example, 
I would like to see DLL support for media loaders and savers, so 
if we do not directly support a specific type of media file (say, 
TIFF) then an external DLL can be provided to load it.  There are 
a few other DLL related features down the road, but it is still a 
bit early to talk about them.



Q: I realize that the open sourcing of the viewtop wasn't that successful, 
but do you still intend to keep releasing newer versions of it? AFAIK 
the current release is over a year old. I've experienced a lot of 
obvious bugs in the viewtop editor, which I think can easily be solved 
by people outside RT.


A: yes we will continue to release newer versions.  View 1.3.2 fixed 
a number of bugs in the Viewtop editor that were listed in on RAMBO. 
Any fixes and enhancements from the community are greatly appreciated 
(by everyone, not only RT!)  You can post them to RAMBO, and we will 
review and include them (if they look good).



Q: While reviewing the action! functions, I noticed the path action. 
The doc comment says "Path selection.". The parameters aren't typed. 
Does anyone know what this action does, and how to use it? Or whether 
it can be or should be called directly at all?


A: the PATH action is what the interpreter uses to evaluate VALUE/selector 
expressions for each datatype. It is an internal action and has no 
external purpose in programs. These kinds of words often appear as 
a sort of "side-effect" from how REBOL is structured.  Datatypes 
are implemented as a sort of object class, where the interpreter 
"sends messages" to the class to evaluate expressions. The PATH action 
is a message that tells the datatype to perform a pick-like or poke-like 
internal function.


Q: Is rebcode going to support paths and/or some kind of binding?


A: Certain rebcode can support anything we feel is important to put 
into it, but note: many things we add could slow it down, by a lot. 
 For example, if we were to allow paths as variables, I estimate 
that rebcode would be about two times slower than it is now.  Perhaps 
one way to solve this issue is for you to use COMPOSE prior to specifying 
your rebcode body.  Within the compose, you can use IN object 'word 
to "pre-compute" the context references for words. For example:

    add.i (in object 'num) 10


Your question about binding is not clear to me. Rebcode already supports 
binding. Your rebcode can be part of an object context, and rebcode 
function words are bound to the code context.  (Perhaps you are referring 
to an older bug that has since been fixed?)



Q: What do you think about  http://mail.rebol.net/maillist/msgs/39493.html
? Why not say a word in your blog, if you think that it's interessant 
for rebol developpment, and if you want to contact them ?


A: Recently, I had the chance to sit down and talk with one of the 
main people from the One Laptop Per Child project (he is a friend 
of mine from Apple Computer days).  The project has an interesting 
goal, but there are also many difficult issues around it (not just 
in the technical side, but also on the social and cultural sides). 
My current understanding is that the target software is Smalltalk 
based. Yes, it would be very interesting to allow REBOL on that system, 
but if you look at the list of principals for the project, you will 
see that such a revolution is unlikely.  Is it possible that perhaps 
REBOL could provide some additional capability in the future? I think 
so. We have some special plans that I think will bring REBOL to platforms 
like that in the future. But, this is too early to say more.



Q: 1. What is fixed/added in 2.6.2/1.3.2 (change-log, please) ? 2. 
What is planned for 1.4.0 (rebcode, rebservices, rich-text, RIF, 
and last but not least, fixed sound ...) ? 3. When can we expect 
1.4.0 ? Thanks.


A: 1. Gregg is preparing a summary. The document should be available 
this week. 2. We are evaluating a large variety of changes in REBOL, 
more than even the 1.4 release that we've talked about.  I hope to 
be able to say more about these plans soon.

re: Google Calendar:  Chris Sherman, executive editor of Search Engine 
Watch.com. "The interface is classic Google--clean, crisp and relatively 
uncluttered.... The one down side to the program is you have to be 
online when you use it"

The http://www.bluishcoder.co.nz/2006/06/unenterprisey-languages-meeting.html
meeting was mildly interesting.  Robert Strandh showed how he reimplemented 
metafont in common lisp with the main aim that he could provide print 
services for his G# music score editor.  This was implemented as 
a DSL, and printing done by converting the DSL to postscript.  Familiar??

isn't it because you are a web guy? You know how to do design, you 
have visual editor etc. What would be needed for you to turn it into 
comparatively looking rebol equivalent?

I would like some support for a summary, with an editor, not threads. 
ability to write a summary for a block of messages.

hmm, detailed problem - he had zip code defined as integer in some 
sqlite editor. Then he has rebol form, with fields ... and he saved 
empty zip code field ... so he saved "" to db, where number was required 
...

WTF! I got burried by very strange behavior, which I would like to 
know what happened. IMO it is not related to SQLite itself, but maybe 
it is a deeper REBOL bug? Simply put I have following statement:


sql "update or ignore produkty set kod = (select novy_kod from prevodnik_devitky 
where prevodnik_devitky.kod=produkty.kod) where exists (select kod 
from 
prevodnik_devitky where prevodnik_devitky.kod=produkty.kod)"


... and I was becoming crazy, that the update did not happen. No 
indexes used (well, I am starting practically with sql, so no need 
to mess things more :-), and when I put EXACTLY the same line into 
SQLiteAdmin tool, it was performed OK.


I was really becoming mad, because it seemed to randomly work, when 
I changed/simplified the expression. Then I remembered my 2 years 
old ODBC scripts, when we imported data into SAP, from Database Advantage 
Server. I remembered there was some problem with multiline statement 
unless I used trim/lines.


I thought to myself, well, it was ODBC driver related, but why not 
to try it? So I tried to reformat my query to:


sql trim/lines "update or ignore produkty set kod = (select novy_kod 
from prevodnik_devitky where prevodnik_devitky.kod=produkty.kod) 
where exists (select kod from 
prevodnik_devitky where prevodnik_devitky.kod=produkty.kod)"


... and it started to work from my script. And I ask once again - 
What is going on here? 2 hours lost, which drove me nearly insane 
:-) I use no special editor but Notepad. The statement returned no 
error, so I thought it got performed, just incorrectly. It all seems 
to be related to one aspect - line is too long, so it wraps in Notepad 
and unless I use trim/lines, it is not performed.


Any educated gues to what is happening here? It is not SQLite related 
imo, I just did not know where to put it, as general bugs group is 
not here ....

Thinking about it, yes. Maybe the standard things native, browser, 
email, editor. With an option to use mail and editor inbuild. Maybe 
these could run by 'launch, so they are rebol, but reblets cant touch 
the real code.

launches View but doesn't open the file

 here it launches, IIRc it did that immediate without me setting something 
 (now i prefer editor by  default, so cant check).

and by .r I mean a link that is actually a wrapper with all the crap 
needed to know what to do

 AFAK that is some html-markup, not *.r-created. On IE the plugin 
 installs automatically, on firefox that will come.

And plugins and mime are two things, plugins run inside the browser 
and need some marku (AFAIK), mime-types are launched by  external 
apps (rebol if the server says its application/x-rebol)

You would examine the cached file using:
	editor path-thru http://localhost/slideshow/test.r
But let us see what this returns:
	print read http://localhost/slideshow/test.r

editor path-thru http://localhost/slideshow/test.r


brings up an erro message saying the file cannot be read (perhaps 
because it doesn't exist?)

print read http://localhost/slideshow/test.rreturns 

>> print read http://localhost/slideshow/test.r
connecting to: localhost
What?
Continue?
>>

>> print read http://localhost/slideshow/test.r
connecting to: localhost
What?
Continue?
>>>> print read http://localhost/slideshow/test.r
connecting to: localhost
What?
Continue?
>>>> print read http://localhost/slideshow/test.r
connecting to: localhost
What?
Continue?
>>

which is how I decoupled the refresh and the event handler of my 
graph editor.

i think i could work an a new concept of rebol script editor with 
liquid

liquidator my current project will change how we can develop apps. 
 its not just a "code" editor... its a data editor.

but its not yet actually able to DO anything.  I'm at the fledgling 
days of optimising the gfx engine for the graph editor.  The node 
creation, dragging and linking are done, (all graphically) and even 
already detect cycles, so you can't connect nodes in such a way as 
to get a dependency cycle  :-)

liquidator's first module I wish to build is  a REBOL IDE.  so that 
means...  a decent editor, code compositing, concurrent souce version 
control... right on the source without CVS (no need), notes, unit 
testing, etc... and debugging, when possible.

Just in Mozilla: Was reading rss in sage, opened bookmark-editor, 
moved bookmarks, sage was updated. i think liquid is for such things. 
also the wiring can be shown graphically. Have seen that with Visual 
Age did that long ago. If it is well done its not a bad idea. I still 
fear it will be hard to debug, since all this wiring is invisible. 
Or maybe: it was to easy to create for me. BAck in that days i found 
such connetion-stuff cool and created a lot spagethi. (was not using 
VA, that method worked with pure oops too^^)

ok, so I have a bit of spare time tonight and will build you a stand-alone 
example of a small RPG character editor.   Using !plug objects directly, 
so you can see the process of subclassing the core plug to have it 
do something usefull.

I am now in the process of adding a skill editor (note, not in any 
way a valid D&D chargen, just a simple example to understand by anyone).

I'll build a second version which has a skill editor  :-)

As you know, I just totaly reviewed how liquid-vid will handle its 
layout (now a live prodecural network in its own), so I am hard at 
work building that, but I will definitely put some time on integrated 
unit testing, when I rebuild the visual graph editor.  its such a 
great idea, as we have discussed, the I/O aspect of plugs cannot 
be ignored in dataflow, so this would be a great way to profile, 
document and verify expected node behaviour.

I made a prototype for a mobile game 2 years ago. It went well! As 
you mentioned, key-up events were the biggest problem for me. I didn't 
add sound, but that shouldn't be too much a problem, I think. I even 
made a level editor, so that's a game dev tool.

The editor, I made, look like this: http://home.tiscali.dk/john.niclasen/pictures/editor.png
I haven't released any code related to this project.

a Rebol version of Mahjong solitaire is almost complete and should 
hit the ML and announce later today - just adding an editor atm :)

For the Icons at the top: Blue = Crystal Mines, Green = Forests, 
Red = Gold Mines.  These are your base resources that reproduce each 
turn.  They create stockpiles of Energy, Wood and Gold respectively. 
 These stockpiles are used to activate cards in your hand.


card.png is the 'hidden' or deck card face.  This is used to hide 
the computer's cards and the deck and discard piles.  card1.png is 
a sample of the format that the card images are in.  This can be 
used as a basis for creating new cards to the correct size.  (86x64 
pixel size with a 7x7 pixel offset into the card1.png template). 
  I have a card editor that can add in the card details to match 
their stats etc.


Regarding image names - ill compile a full list and place it on the 
website later today once i finalise the deck size :)

I have a question for CureCode users : do you think that adding a 
rich text editor for Description and Comment editing areas would 
be a usefull addition? See an example of such integrated rich text 
editor in the bottom of the page there : http://www.cheyenne-server.org/blog.rsp?view=19&cmt=on

I sometimes use a few HTML tags for CureCode tickets like : <B>, 
<U>, <I> and <A>, but not much more. Having to type HTML code inside 
text areas is not a clean method, that's why I proposed an integrated 
WYSIWYG editor. But it seems not adequate to R3 users. I might add 
it as an option for our customers in a future CureCode version, thought.