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Pekr and Rebolek: could you try to use ProcessMonitor (PM) to see 
if we can get a clue about what is blocking the DLL loading from 
R2?


1) Download it from: http://technet.microsoft.com/en-us/sysinternals/bb896645.aspx
2) Run it

3) Open a REBOL console and CD to the folder where the DLL is located

4) In PM, drag'n drop the "target" icon to the REBOL console window
5) Type in console: lib: load/library %temp.dll

6) Scroll down in the PM window to look for rebol.exe process entries, 
look for failure reports in Result and Detail columns...

I bet Carl done it specifically to allow such syntactic construction 
for dialects without having to drop down to string! preprocessing.

You can still download Notepad++ (or any other text editor with decent 
Unicode support). I have to drop my good old TextPad as it doesn't 
have good Unicode support.

No problem to drop the BOM(b)! :-)

Adding CGI would be good for online demo's? Well for building web-sites 
too! Finally drop php.

It's helpful to make a conceptual distinction between the host interface 
and the extension interface, even though for R3 they are currently 
related to each other and share a lot of the same code.


For the host interface, the host is the OS (more or less) and provides 
an execution environment that the R3 runtime runs on like a program 
(this is all metaphorical, but I'm sure you get it). The OS in this 
case could be something like Windows, Linux, some microkernel, whatever, 
or it could be an application or application plugin like Eclipse, 
Visual Studio, Notepad++, Excel, Firefox, whatever.


For the extension interface, R3 is the OS, the extension-embedded 
module is the program that runs on the OS, and that program calls 
the extension's native code like a library. The program source is 
returned by the extension's RX_Init function, and that program then 
wraps the native library code. The module source is loaded like a 
normal script (slightly hacked after loading to make it a better 
wrapper), so the script could be embedded in binary data along with 
non-Rebol stuff just like with normal scripts. You could even have 
Red and Rebol scripts in the same file (if they use the same embedding 
method) so you the data the init function returns can be like a Red/Rebol 
fat binary, metaphorically.


Given this, Red could either be (or compile) a host for R3; or it 
could be (or compile) a runtime library that implements the same 
host interface as r3lib, making it a drop-in replacement for R3; 
or it could be (or compile) an extension that R3 is a client of, 
returning R3 code that calls calls the compiled Red code; or it could 
be an alternate extension container, for extensions that return both 
Red and R3 code from the same init function, which would call the 
Red code returned, which would in turn call the same native code. 
The two languages could be integrated at any point in the stack, 
along with other languages.

It depends how you define "unneeded parts". It's more complicated 
to define that it seems at first look. For example, you might want 
to drop date! type from runtime library if your code is not using 
it...but if you LOAD some external data that might contain some date! 
values, you'll have a problem.


Anyway, we'll provide options for stripping from end binaries everything 
that can be stripped without altering program behavior.

You can't arbitrary pick a feature in one language and drop it in 
another one and expect it to have the same benefits...especially 
when they are so different. ;-)

who is going to drop ALIAS from R3-open-sourced?

The error on XP seems to be related to DirectSound. Perhaps it needs 
a newer DirectX or a driver, but I'd think SDL would drop down to 
a more primitive sound system

I confirm Paul's findings, if I drag'n drop %sample.wav on %play-sdl-wav.exe, 
I can hear the music on Win7.

Yes, even though drag and drop should be the same as starting with 
a command line parameter

Yes it is nice, and you're avoiding trying it out. I thought you 
were going to drop by the SO chat at some point. Or have you been 
in there under a different name?

Or should the community work on reverse engineering and building 
our own drop-in chat solution?

Foreach doesn't go in reverse, so you're back to modifying your data. 
If you want to speed up stuff that FORALL does, just look at the 
source. You can inline the FORALL source, drop the error screening 
stuff and simplify the code in the WHILE. You will end up with something 
that can be as fast as the FOREACH, and in some cases faster.

With REBOL, it's almost always something simple. Until you drop into 
the deep water. :-)

so reality forced MS to drop back to ODBC

#! "C:/wamp/bin/apache/Apache2.2.11/cgi-bin/rebol-core-278-3-1.exe" 
-cs
REBOL [Title: "Table"]
do %mysql-protocol.r 
db: open mysql://[root-:-localhost]/test
insert db { DROP TABLE IF EXISTS data1;
create table data1 (
    oneone        varchar(1),
    onetwo        varchar(1),  
    onethree      varchar(1),       
    twoone        varchar(1),
    twothree      varchar(1),
    threeone      varchar(1),
    threetwo      varchar(1),
    threethree    varchar(1)
  )} 

print "content-type: text/html^/"
print [<HTML><BODY>]
print [<form><input type="submit" value=" submit !" />]
print [<TABLE  bgcolor="black" border="1">]
print {<tr bgcolor="white">

<td style="width:30px; height:30px;"><input name="oneone" type="text" 
size="1">}
insert db ["insert into data1 (oneone) values (?)" ]
results: copy db
print {</td>}

OK now. I plugged in a real mouse. The scroll wheel doesn't work, 
but that wasnot promised. I can drag and drop files now. Also I could 
pull up the volume of both volume and CD controls and now I have 
sound sound.

Ladislav, document it then. It's too useful to drop. And according 
to the docs you couldn't use get-words in SET block at all, so I 
never wrote code that had them. SET block with anything other than 
word! is rare, at least until R3 added FUNCT, which makes set-words 
very common.

It is a little unfortunate that SET [:word] works like get-word parameters 
used to in R2, but don't anymore. Inconsistent. Still, too useful 
to drop.

Carl is going to drop by the SO chat room within the next week.  
If you want to ask him any questions, you'll need a SO reputation 
greater than 20

With HRD comes higher performant GPUs but I'm not sure how CPU scales. 
Look at Adobe, they are almost dropping support for classic display 
list (rendered on CPU) and forcing everybody to use their Stage3D 
which uses GPU. It's not easy move as there is almost no tooling 
yet, but it's a must. CPU is not able to process so many pixels with 
the new screens (with high frame rate). I don't say we should drop 
AGG support, just that there must come GPU support using OpenGL/DirectX 
and let the AGG to do high quality rendering of assets.

We thought we might have some (didn't thankfully), but our insurance 
guy said that if we made a claim on it, to expect them to drop us.

One thing that always annoys me about AltME is the connect/disconnect 
handling.

Everytime I get disconnected from the internet (which happens several 
times a day), I drop out of the group that I am reading, and have 
to acknowledge that I read the message that I AltME "isn't able to 
connect at the moment". Of course, when I go back to the group I 
was reading, the markers for new messages have already been cleared.

Same when I try to reconnect "Do _really_ want to reconnect to rebol3????" 
Of course not, what do you think why I clicked there? And then I 
drop out of the group ...

I have had a problem since hosting AltME worlds (and being cheap 
and not reserving the name).  However, the worlds are used every 
day, but they still drop.  I found the problem was more frequent 
when I had more worlds being hosted.  At one point I had three worlds 
up and it seemed all of my worlds would become un-registered at the 
same time as one of them having not been used for the 10 day period 
that will un-register them.

Just noticed the drop-down used for the World selector doesn't close 
unless you choose a world.  And if you are already in that world, 
it reconnects.  This could be handled better.

I sent a feedback on the World selection drop-down usability.

I'm writing a greylisting implementation for my smtp server .. and 
I needed to drop the last digits of an ip address to form the triplet

Ingo: on the 'system port, no official doc. Some info:
rebolist thread (rebol.org) :

    http://www.rebol.org/cgi-bin/cgiwrap/rebol/ml-display-thread.r?m=rmlMYFJ
'signal demo script :

    http://www.rebol.org/cgi-bin/cgiwrap/rebol/ml-display-thread.r?m=rmlNFFJ
drag-and-drop demo script: 

    http://www.rebol.org/cgi-bin/cgiwrap/rebol/view-script.r?script=sys-port-drag-accept.r
systray demo script:

    http://compkarori.com/vanilla/display/System+Tray+Functionality

It's different for each OS. For MS-WIn, there is:
    get-modes system/ports/system 'system-modes
    ;== [window winmsg tray endian]
where:
    'window : REBOL console window handle,
    'winmsg : OS message block,
    'tray : systray definition block
    'endian : CPU byte order ('big or 'little)

For Linux:
    get-modes system/ports/system 'system-modes
    ;== [signal read-fd write-fd except-fd signal-names endian]

(drop the "limitation, does not work" in last post)

Just trimmed about 100 people from the Library membership list....
http://www.rebol.org/cgi-bin/cgiwrap/rebol/cpt-view-users.r


A lot of them were drive-by signups by spammers to get their URL 
a link ("Hi I'm Mandy, click my link for photos") And most of *those* 
must have an IQ hovering aound their waist size because they'd failed 
to click the profile option to make their URL visible to other Library 
members.


So the membership list (claiming 200+ members) is more relevant than 
it was before.


But the automated expiry script may have caught some genuine members. 
If your userid has gone and you want it back, please drop me a private 
message.

Once you've had a chance to check them I'll drop myself as 'owner'.. 
:)

I attempted to rename button.r to vid-button.r so the new script 
should be deleted and the old one renamed if possible.  As for the 
rest of them...

wizard.r  TO vid-wizard.r
group.r TO vid-group.r    
drop-down.r TO vid-drop-down.r   
dragbar.r TO vid-drag-bar.r       
date.r TO vid-date.r


Since we won't be calling the GUI Dialect in R3 VID the new names 
should make what the scripts do clear even after R3 GUI scripts start 
popping up...

It seems the responsibility lies with the clients to interpret encodings 
properly. As we move to a unicode world, software assuming 8-bit 
encodings are some ASCII encoding should drop off. But until the 
transition is complete, there's not much we can do about client software 
guessing wrong like that, except stating the encoding in the script 
header, in the web page that provides the download link, and by helping 
confused newbies.

Styles are the way to go.  I'm adding °styles° to the °7° system.. 
idea is to have a large collection of panes, buttons, fonts etc... 
all nicely categorized and available at anytime.  If you have some 
styles (or other code), drop it into the °7° group and I'll add it 
to the library.

a graphical gui designer. drag and drop controls/components on a 
form . something like a nice IDE...

Most probably driver support for db will be drop in future versions. 
(I recommend working with DocKimbel of helping improve his code).

But, if filterting would work correct, it should be DROPed anyway. 
So, if I add a DROP rule for an IP address, I shouldn't get any more 
packets.

Can anyone give me a tip how to filter/drop IP addresses for a specific 
time-range if there are illegal login attempts? IMO this would be 
a really cool admin tool for Linux.

I've got a samba share but although I can see files there from the 
linux side, they don't show up on the windows side.  If I drop files 
to the share from the windows side, I can see them.  Is this a permissions 
thing?

You'll get it working...by hook or by crook.  Make sure to drop a 
note once you attack the problem.

Sorry, Carlos...I'm a Debian user, but I serve the web using Cheyenne. 
 I'm not sure what you need exactly, but I would have started here 
 http://httpd.apache.org/docs/2.0/mod/mod_mime_magic.htmlSo one 
you have the mod_ file in the right place, it seems you need to configure 
with

MimeMagicFile conf/magic


to use the default list of magic numbers.  If you need more drop 
another note.

Anyone interested in the code, just drop me a line.

Nice research and summary -- It'd be a good idea to drop that change 
request to RAMBO. That way, it won't get lost
http://www.rebol.net/cgi-bin/rambo.r

If space is an issue, you can save a lot of space by removing protocols 
that aren't required. I got a few with full VID based but with only 
http protocol supported.. 506kb, 

I'm sure I could drop another 80-100 if I switched to using rebface.

First stab at a list of required base widgets

	area
	bar
	box
	button
	check
	droplist - text display + drop-down list
	editlist - edit box + drop-down list
	field
	groupbox - encloses a group of gadgets in a titled border
	icon
	image
	list – single column
	listview – multi-column
	progress
	radio
	scrollbar

 spliter – a “spliter window” which affects the width / height and 
 position of other gadgets
	tab -  arranges multiple gadgets into logical groups
	text
	slider
	treeview

 updown – scrollbar minus the bar (used with a field to increment 
 / decrement numbers, etc)
	menu
	popup-menu - context menu
	status – status bar with one or more “segments”
	toolbar


The aim is to have as few widgets as neccessary to build the majority 
of required GUI's. Take a look at the applications you use on a day 
to day basis, what widgets do they use? Are they in the list above? 
How are they named? Are there any widgets in the above list we can 
do without? (not that *someone* won't need it, just that it isn't 
common enough to be part of the base widget set).

Anyway, I think it we have an option to drop to console ... that 
would be good.

Less than a dozen widgets to go!

	droplist	edit box / text display + drop-down list
	list		single column
	listview	multi-column
	radio
	treeview

 updown	scrollbar minus the bar (used with a field to increment / 
 decrement numbers, etc)
	menu
	popup-menu	context menu
	status		status bar with one or more “segments”


If you're working on any of these, drop a message here so we don't 
double up on efforts. ;)

I take drop-down

There's actually two copies of the dropdown on rebol.org dropdown.r 
and drop-down.r

drop-down.r should work with all versions, which did you download?

That's the problem then.  It is depreciated and replaced with drop-down.r 
and says so in the script header.  Eventually the Library will recognize 
this and automatically redirect you to the correct version of the 
script but for now...

The menu widget is over 500 lines and a bit of a global name-space 
polluter. My first-cut clean of it is here: http://www.dobeash.com/files/menu.r


You'll notice that "lefted" items and shadow-drop images have already 
been cut ... but a lot more has to come out.

G4C TUT_MCListview

// ===========================================================
// A Multi Column (or Database) Listview..
// ===========================================================

WINDOW 126 90 367 373 "Listview"
	winattr style resize

xOnLoad
	// add some records to the listview & open..
	gosub #this AddRecords
	guiopen #this

xOnClose
	guiquit #this

// ===========================================================
// The listview
// - This is a normal MULTISELECT listview (the default).
// For this type to be triggered, you must double-click it.
// ===========================================================

XLISTVIEW 0 0 0 0 'The Title' "" var

	attr ID mylv
	attr resize 0022
	attr frame sunk

	// Give it a grid and allow the user to drag, drop & re-arrange
	// the lines - You can add more styles here..
	attr style grid/arrange/drag/drop/arrange

	// Add some columns. The first one we state with a '#'
	// in front to indicate we mean the 1st column.
	attr LVCOLUMN '#Item/width/120/TITLE/Description'

 attr LVCOLUMN 'Units/width/60/TITLE/Units/TYPE/number/JUSTIFY/RIGHT'

 attr LVCOLUMN 'Amount/width/60/TITLE/Amount/TYPE/number/JUSTIFY/RIGHT'

 attr LVCOLUMN 'Total/width/60/TITLE/Total/TYPE/number/JUSTIFY/RIGHT'

	// show the line double clicked..

 SetWinTitle #this 'SUM: $%Units x $%Amount = $($%Units * $%Amount)'


// ===========================================================
// This is a routine to add 100 records with various
// meaningless values to the above listview. Note how
// the fields can be used as normal variables.
// ===========================================================

xRoutine AddRecords
	local c

	use lv #this mylv

	// before we start, we HIDE the listview. This will
	// stop Gui4Cli from visually refreshing it every time
	// we add a record and will GREATLY increase the speed.
	// This will have no effect if the window is closed.
	// After we finish, we show it again..
	setevent #this mylv HIDE

	for c 0 100
		// add an empty record..
		lv add ''

		// Fill the fields with various values..
		%Item   = "This is Item $c"
		%Units  = $($c * 3)
		%Amount = $(($%Units / 2)*1000)
		%Total  = $($%Units * $%Amount)

	endfor

	// Show the listview again, refreshing the display..
	setevent #this mylv SHOW

// ===========================================================
// Right mouse button handling - Some menu choices..
// ===========================================================

xOnRMB


 QuickMenu -1 -1 'Select All/Remove selected/Add 100 records/#sepa/cancel'
	use lv #this mylv
	docase $$choice
		case = 0			// Select All
			lv select all
			break
		case = 1			// Remove selected
			lv delete selected
			break
		case = 2			// Add some records..
			gosub #this AddRecords
	endcase

I, for example, am working on porting my drop-down style and at the 
same time working on adding a refinement to Display to handle modal 
auto-closing dialogs...

and why arrows are not integrated ? arrow are usefull for drop-down, 
slider, and notepad for example on tour.r as the window is resizabe 
that when the buton bar is (number of buttons) are more big than 
the window to have two arrow to scroll the buttons bar to acces to 
the unviable button and to indicate to the user that the button bar 
of the note pad is bigger than he can see

Alpha2 build available at: http://www.dobeash.com/files/RebGUI-020.zip

Highlights include:


 - New, unit based sizing model (see http://www.dobeash.com/it/rebgui/display.html)

 - Improved language localization (see http://www.dobeash.com/it/rebgui/locale.html)

 - New arrow, chevron, check-group, led-group, scroller, spinner and 
 drop-list widgets
	- Lots of minor fixes
	- show redefine removed
	- Use of -1 instead of 9999 to denote auto-size
	- Aesthetic improvements (use of gradients)
	- %tour.r substantially rewritten

Known issues

	- spinner and drop-list widgets need more work
	- scroller needs more work (resizeable dragger)

In progress

	- Improved tab-panel (shadwolf)
	- Menu (cyphre / shadwolf)
	- tabbing
	- field input validation (field input masks, etc)

That leaves less than half a dozen widgets to go!

	list		single column
	listview	multi-column
	treeview
	popup-menu	context menu
	status		status bar with one or more “segments”

Drop list seems to have some issues. Doesn't keep the selected value. 
Maybe just a demo thing.

Known issues

	- spinner and drop-list widgets need more work

Robert hum first we will try to make it as somplete as we can ;) 
the autofill feature is neede to for drop list IMOO

Improving Cheyenne/UniServe: adding multithreading could make it 
scale much higher with much lower memory footprint. Currently, the 
main process stabilizes around ~20MB after a few hundred requests 
and each worker process take ~15-20MB depending on the application 
and loaded 3rd-party librairies. So for a server script what would 
take 1s to complete, supporting 100 clients simultaneously would 
require today ~2GB of memory. This is huge. 


Carl stated recently that threads overhead is 1MB, so with multithreading 
support, the memory usage for such use case would drop to ~100MB, 
which is an order of magnitude lower (not mentioning the speed gains 
and code simplifications resulting from dropping TCP-based IPC).

It has a special coating so that water repels.  We would dunk it 
in and out of the water, not a single drop in frame.

unfortunately there's missing page 2 in the document. however if 
anybody is interested in synthesis, next version of sintezar is going 
to have five different oscilators, four filters, three waveshapers 
(these units are ready now) plus some other units (phaser is ready, 
i'm working on delay). I wrote some basic sequencer last week, so 
only some preset management system is missing and some work on GUI 
(drag and drop for connecting modules is ready, but I still have 
to rewrite all modules to support it)

Hi PhilB -- The formatted text report is generated on the AS400 into 
the work spool area.  I then can use the INavigator software on the 
PC to connect to it and drag and drop it on the PC, where I can look 
at it via Word or Notebook.  I'm not sure where the encoding to UniCode 
is happening -- I suspect the INavigator software, but then, it may 
not be an issue since Rebol can convert it to readable text, even 
with the extra newline between each line, I'm sure that annoyance 
can be overcome too.

I can see the potential.. just thinking how difficult it would be 
to create complex layouts.. as opposed to just drag 'n drop with 
Flash IDE

It is possible to create drag'n'drop editor in the dialect as well.. 
but first I have other goals. And maybe one day you will be able 
to create layout from Rebol VID too.

Adobe AIR beta provides additional features to enhance operating 
system integration:

    * Background applications

    * System tray icon (Windows) / Dock bar bounce (Mac OS X) notification
    * Default windows menus
    * Z-order control for native windows
    * Bitmap drag-and-drop support
    * Customization of program folder entry
    * New Mac and Windows install location

COM with PHP is soo easy...  drop this into a page on your local 
server.. 

<?

$word=new COM("word.application") or die("Cannot start word for you");
print "Loaded word version ($word->Version)\n";
$word->visible =1;
$word->Documents->Add();
$word->Selection->Typetext("Dit is een test");
$word->Documents[1]->SaveAs("burb ofzo.doc");
$word->Quit();
?>

I think that what Henrik feels as a problem is not actually "look" 
at all, but it is the "feel", which is the culprit. I expect UI elements 
as drop-down, etc., react to keyboard, mouse, just the same as if 
it would be OS app, or it is denerving, stopping my productivity, 
which is based upon certain customs ....

Ajax also need decent css-support for  drag/drop etc. its not only 
quick downloads, the browser mustbe good enough to allow a "native 
app".

How can you say you don't need to alter the db.. when the second 
step needs code like this?.. 
class AddUserTable < ActiveRecord::Migration
  def self.up
    create_table :users do |t|
      t.column :first_name, :string
      t.column :last_name, :string
      t.column :birthday, :date
    end
  end

  def self.down
    drop_table :users
  end
end

Terry you are right, but you don't need to drop the table to alter 
it. The have add_column and remove_column methods within others.

Complete determinism makes no sense with parallel IMHO, if you dont 
allow for some random things, you basically can drop the whole parallel 
thing.

You are correct, with a standard SQL DB a delete or update statement 
without a where clause will affect every row in the table. With RebDB 
you can achieve the same thing by providing a where clause as follows:

	where [rowid > 0]


and for delete operations don't overlook the truncate (or drop) functions.

Re: RebDB. I'm coming to the conclusion that SQLite is a superset 
of all I wanted from RIF; and it's:

	1) Here today
	2)Lean & mean
	3)One small (256KB) drop in DLL
	4)Works well with REBOL
	5)Public Domain


And, like RebDB, it is pretty flexible about column values (it uses 
column affinity to suggest how values may be coerced – so an INTEGER 
column could contain [1 999 “three” “four”])  which is more REBOLish 
than most other RDBMS's; and all values (TEXT, INTEGER, REAL and 
BLOB) are stored as variable byte length.


My benchmarking of RebDB vs SQLite with three tables; Customers (100), 
Orders (10 per customer) and Items (10 per order) gave the following 
results (measured in Transactions Per Second, with the first for 
RebDB and the second for SQLite):

	select * from Customers 148		120
	select * from Orders	141		11
	select * from Items	 76		 .73
	selective join on Order-Items for one order	8.93	437.23
	join on all Order-Items			.08	4.93
	size of all dat file(s)			410KB		625KB


What you have to remember is that RebDB is 100% memory-based using 
tight loops and REBOL natives where possible, versus SQLite which 
is disk-based and being called via routines.

As I mentioned near the beginning of this thread, SQLite supports 
multiple database files each containing one or more tables - in fact 
they go so far as recommending that you separate multiple high-access 
tables out into different databases for concurrency reasons. In this 
sense, SQLite "databases" act more like traditional "tablespaces". 
So, if we wanted we could write our REBOL front-end so that it created/accessed 
each table in a database of the same name thus ensuring a one-to-one 
mapping between table names and database names. The advantages of 
this approach are:

	backups (only those tables that change need be backed up)

 external table administration (you can drop a table by deleting its 
 database file)

 concurrency (you spread your file locking across a greater number 
 of physical files)

Disadvantages:


 Administering your database is more cumbersome (you can't use the 
 sqlite3 admin tool to administer all tables in one session)

 Value of sqlite_master is diminished (you can't "select * from sqlite_master" 
 to report on all your tables in one query)

 Query references need to add a database prefix when referring to 
 a table not in their own database

 Name conflicts (all tables in one file means multiple databases can 
 use the same table names - the solution with multiple files would 
 be to segregate at the directory level)

 Multiple database files means you need to zip them prior to some 
 operations such as email attachment, etc


On balance, I actually prefer the one file / one database approach.


Pekr's other comments in relation to schema implementation also have 
merit (I've agreed with Pekr twice today - a new record!); I see 
the value of an ftp schema, an http schema, etc; but what value in 
a sqlite schema? Given that the entire schema can be written in a 
much more concise fashion as an anonymous context that exports a 
couple of key access functions to the global context; I can't see 
what the functional differences between the two implementations would 
be?


So, bar any good reasons to the contrary, these are the features 
of the implementation I am currently working on (a rough design spec 
if you like):

	Implemented as an anonymous context

 "Database" is a directory (which is specified when a database is 
 opened with 'open-db)

 Each table resides in a "tablespace" (aka SQLite database file) of 
 the same name
	File is automatically opened on first reference

 The /blocked refinement of 'db-open specifies that rows will be returned 
 in their own block (default is a single block of values)

 Non-numeric values (which SQLite stores natively as INTEGER and REAL) 
 will be subject to 'mold/all on insert and 'load on retrieval

 The /native refinement of 'open-db will turn this behaviour off (see 
 comments below)

 SQLite binding will be supported allowing statements such as ["insert 
 into table values (?,?,?)" 1 [bob-:-mail-:-com] "Some text"] and ["select 
 * from table where email = ?" [bob-:-mail-:-com]]


Whether to store values (including string!) as molded values in SQLite 
is an interesting question; on the one hand it gives you transparent 
storage and access to REBOL values – but at the performance cost 
of having to mold and load every TEXT value returned; and the storage 
cost of the overhead of a molded representation. On the other hand, 
if I only want to store numbers and strings anyway then I don't want 
this overhead. I think the only practical solution is a /native type 
option as detailed above.

Is the linking between SQLite and RebGUI already implemented? In 
that if I get back a result set, that I can use it directly to fill 
a list or drop-down list? Or load a result set into a form?

In general, the best strategy can be to rename the table, create 
a new table with the old name and the new schema, and then make an 
import query to transform and transfer the data from the old table 
to the new. Then you can drop the old table.

Anyway, I read it that .NET isn't required. So, it should be a drop-in-replacement. 
The only thing I don't know is, how to access the exteneded functions 
than.

What am I doing wrong here:

rebol []
do %sqlite.r
do %rebgui.r

if not exists? %id.txt [write %id.txt 1]

db: %indodex.db
either not exists? db [
    CONNECT/create/flat/direct/format db

    SQL "create table base (id, Nama, Alamat, Telefon, Handfon, Fax, 
    Email, Tgl_Nikah, Nota)"

    SQL "create table birthdays (id, Nama, Jenis, Hubungan, Tgl_Lahir, 
    Agama, Nota)"
][
    CONNECT/flat/direct/format db
]
unless value? 'ctx-rebgui [
	either exists? %rebgui-ctx.r [do %rebgui-ctx.r] [do %rebgui.r]
]
set-colors
tab-size: 120x55
fonts: reduce [font-sans-serif font-fixed font-serif "verdana"]
do show-cc: make function! [] [
display "IndoDex Ver. 1.0.1" [
    tab-panel #HW data [
        "Add" [

            label "Title:" priority: drop-list 30 #W "Pak" data ["Pak" "Ibu" 
            "Sdr." "Sdri." "Drs." "Dr." "Tuan" "Nyonya"] 20x5
            return
            label "Nama:" nama: field 
            return
            label "Alamat:" alamat: area 50x30
            return
            label "Telefon" telefon: field
            return
            label "Handfon" handfon: field
            return
            label "Fax:" fax: field
            return
            label "E-Mail:" email: field
            return
            label "Nota:" nota: area 50x30
            return
            button "Save" [
                (id: to-integer read %id.txt)

                SQL/flat/direct {insert into base values (id, Nama, Alamat, Telefon, 
                Handfon, Fax, Email, Tgl_Nikah, Nota)}
                (write %id.txt id)
                show-text ex-status "Saved"]
        ]
        "Edit" [
            
	]
	"Search" [
	]
    ]
]
]
do-events

Here's the latest version:

rebol []
do %sqlite.r
do %rebgui.r
unless value? 'ctx-rebgui [
	either exists? %rebgui-ctx.r [do %rebgui-ctx.r] [do %rebgui.r]
]
set-colors
tab-size: 120x55
fonts: reduce [font-sans-serif font-fixed font-serif "verdana"]

if not exists? %id.txt [write %id.txt 1]
i: to-integer read %id.txt
i: i - 1
either not exists? %indodex.db [
    CONNECT/create %indodex.db

    SQL "create table base (ID, Title, Nama, Alamat, Telefon, Handfon, 
    Fax, Email, Tgl_Nikah, Nota)"

    SQL "create table birthdays (ID, Nama, Jenis, Hubungan, Tgl_Lahir, 
    Agama, Nota)"
][
    CONNECT %indodex.db
]
do show-cc: make function! [] [
set-colors
display "IndoDex Ver. 1.0.1" [
            label 16 "ID:" id: text (to-string i)
            return

            label 16 "Title:" title: drop-list 30 #W "Pak" data ["Pak" "Ibu" 
            "Sdr." "Sdri." "Drs." "Dr." "Tuan" "Nyonya"] 20x5
            return
            label 16 "Nama:" nama: field 
            return
            label 16 "Alamat:" alamat: area 50x30
            return
            label 16 "Telefon:" telefon: field
            return
            label 16 "Handfon:" handfon: field
            return
            label 16 "Fax:" fax: fax: field
            return
            label 16 "E-Mail:" email: field
            return
            label 16 "Nota:" nota: area 50x30
            return
            button "Save" [

                ;UNCOMMENT THE FOLLOWING LINES AND YOU WILL SEE THEY DON'T WORK. 
                ANYBODY KNOW WHAT IS WRONG?

                ;SQL reduce ["insert into base values (?, ?, ?, ?, ?, ?, ?, ?, ?, 
                ?)" id/text, title/text, nama/text, alamat/text, telefon/text, handfon/text, 
                fax/text, email/text, tgl_nikah/text, nota/text]

                ;SQL {insert into base values ('Pak' 'Ibu' 'Sdr.' 'Sdri.' 'Drs.' 
                'Dr.' 'Tuan' 'Nyonya' 'Jonew')}
                (i: to-integer i)
                (i: i + 1)
                (write %id.txt i)
                (i: to-string i)
            ]
            button "GUI Info [

                print [id/text " " title/text " " nama/text " " alamat/text newline]
            ]
            button "DB Info" [
                print TABLES
                SQLite/col-info?: true
                print SQL "select * from base"
                print SQLite/columns
            ]
            button "Halt" [
                halt
            ]
            button "Quit" [
                quit
            ]
]
]
do-events

CONNECT %test.db

SQL "drop table t"
SQL "create table t (c)"

SQL "insert into t values ('Word')"
SQL {insert into t values ('"String"')}
SQL ["insert into t values (?)" 'Word]
SQL ["insert into t values (?)" "String"]

test1: SQL "select * from t"

DISCONNECT

CONNECT/direct %test.db

SQL "drop table t"
SQL "create table t (c)"

SQL "insert into t values ('String')"
SQL ["insert into t values (?)" "String"]

test2: SQL "select * from t"

DISCONNECT

Henrik, this drop-down menu is your own or standard VID?

sounds great, are you going to release it? because IIRC VID' drop-down 
is somehow buggy

there is also another issue, I've been thinking about. is it still 
possible to create an invisble area in the webpage where you could 
drop a rebol script that could work as a keylogger?

(2) is what I am leaning towards, and that is also the approach Flash 
takes. It involves making some changes to the installation architecture, 
developing an installer program to drop the files over-the-top of 
the previous files, and writing some REBOL script to check for new 
updates.

it's definitely worth it. if it takes longer than 1-2 minutes to 
install then most users will drop it.

(note: The REBOL standalone EXE currently does something similar, 
but the difference is that the plugin doesn't know where it is installed...yet 
(so it can't drop the files over the old ones), and plus, the installation 
process for updating 2 DLLs is different than updating 1 EXE).

Josh, thanks for explanation about the delayed events. What a pity 
you cannot improve this also in Rebol2.x version as this problem 
sheds bad light upon Rebol/View apps (which uses drag'n'drop and 
simmilar features).

although some storage for graphics-heavy things would be nice.

If you drop some flash you can have 10mb of storage without permission, 
and 100mb with.

I think that VID is nice. Dialected aproach is the way to go, that 
is for sure. I would be OK, if VID would fix some things as - tabbing, 
cursor change, accelerator keys, visual focus representation to widgets, 
disabling/enabling (for business wide widgets), resizing, methods 
for drag & drop etc. Look e.g. at VID's feel - it was abstracted, 
that you have central storage of "feels", but was that abstraction 
used to any good by anyone? I like self-contained styles/widgets 
of rebgui better.

I'm finishing a mod-qm for Cheyenne. I'll need to test it and will 
drop here a download URL.

Gabriele - this is actually good, you know? First Ruby guys will 
think they got View for Ruby, next they will realise, they don't 
actually need Ruby, to just start and use Rebol, so they will drop 
Ruby :-)

They also have a -35 dB drop, so they REALLY work well on Planes.

Anton, is your feed choppy? Sound drop-outs every 10 seconds or so?

would be nice to drag and drop my brain in that application and let 
is parse into contexts automaticly..

Paul : if TRETBASE can support the same DB structure, support SQL 
JOINs (or similar feature), user and security management, not being 
more verbose than SQL, and being as fast as MySQL without using more 
memory, I'll drop MySQL at once and use TRETBASE as a backend in 
all my projects.

but yes, tools for sharing would be fine. We should look at tools 
line MS Collaboration server or Lotus Sametime - kind of multi-icq 
app - you drag and drop users there, you can make screenshots, post 
them directly to channel, you can draw and post it, you can share 
your app to other (probably using RMD (remote desktop) protocol in 
Windows)

Weather fronts cross each other here frequently.  We get the most 
devestating whether it seems whenever we see a front drop straight 
down from Chicago.  Those are very rare but it seems when they happen 
they leave destruction.