AltME groups: search

ah, strange mimetype - mozilla displays me binary junk, instead of 
offering me download ...

you need to download too the texture skin image http://shadwolf.free.fr/hellpig.bmp

Given that we have a 'read-net func, would a 'write-net equivalent 
make sense? (could then have a [view] 'request-upload func to match 
'request-download)

so far glayout (much better version) is able to open the same core 
without issues.  am doing download tests to be sure the code itself 
still works... hoping nothing changed within the lds service library...

sunanda I am getting an error from the server itself!  


whenever I press download, it starts the download (shows the green 
xfer data on the bottom, and then pops up an error:  here is the 
error as reported by LDS:

make object! [
    status: [100 20 "bad cgi data"]
    data: none
    diagnostics: [9003 9003 9.8084E-2]
    supply-date: 15-Sep-2006/1:03:41
]


have any idea where that is comming from?  I try to check it out 
from the code I have... but its been sooo long, A nudge on your part 
will help me get this working much faster IMHO!

as usuall, type the following in a rebol console to open up the tool.

do http://www.rebol.org/library/public/repack.r


also note that I put a lot of effort in optimizing the file's final 
size, including a lot of hacking out, removing comments, compressing, 
etc... its now a much smaller download.

We are glad to announce that a newer version of the rebol.org package 
downloader is now available for people using REBOL|view 1.3.2

as usuall, type the following in a rebol console to open up the tool. 
it now adapts to version automatically
<pre>do http://www.rebol.org/library/public/repack.r</pre>

also note that I put a lot of effort in optimizing the file's final 
size, including a lot of hacking out, removing comments, compressing, 
etc... its now a much smaller download.
This version uses a slick 
new version of GLayout which has gfx largely based on Henrik's tests 
which he supplied a few weeks ago...

downloader: Download DIR should be create if it doesn't exist.

the script is correct for download http://www.rebol.org/cgi-bin/cgiwrap/rebol/view-script.r?script=code-colorizer.r
but not for display.

Results of a tiny bit of debugging on the ascii chars problem:
-- problem seems to be at the input stage:

     -- if you have exended ascii characters (top bit set, like the 1/4 
     used in the script) what we get from the webserver is bad (extra, 
     unexpected extended ascii chars)

    -- only download is (visibly) affected, although the extra extended 
    ascii chars are present in the text streams

     -- though there is some REBOL mezz code (decode-cgi) that may be 
     doing something I do not understand

    -- I can replicate the problem with both Apache and Xitami which 
    suggests the problem may be in REBOL rather than a given server.


-- the quick fix would be to add accept-charset="ISO-8859-1" to the 
<form ....> or <textarea ....>

    -- but that stops all extended ascii, including the ones we want. 
    So we won't do that.

-- the slower fix has yet to emerge from the available options.

Anton, REBOL.org uses 2.5.6.4.1

The obvious bad file is the one Scott added recently:
http://www.rebol.org/view-script.r?script=ascii-math.r

If you view it with that URL, all looks good.

If you click the [Download script] link you'll see many spurious 
high-ascii chars in the source.

Those high ascii _are_ actually in the source. But where they came 
from is a mystery.

Thanks......We used to have that, but it created some other problems. 
I'll have to try to remember what and why :-)

And it does not solve the download problem (I know, I tried yesterday).

Sunanda, I can tell you where does chars come from. if your page 
is set as utf-8, then the script as been uploaded by the browser 
as utf-8. when you view it in the brower, it shows correctly as utf-8. 
when you download it, it is still utf-8, but if you view it with 
something that believes it's latin1 (eg. the rebol 2 console on windows 
set as latin1), it won't show up correctly.

Sunanda, you're right about that ascii-math.r file. When I clicked 
the [Download script] link, the browser (konqueror) downloaded and 
directly opened it with the editor (SciTE). SciTE thought it was 
8-bit ascii, and showed the characters incorrectly. All I had to 
do was change the file encoding from 8-bit to utf-8 and the characters 
appeared correctly. I guess the editor had no way of determining 
the encoding, and incorrectly guessed 8-bit ascii.

Thanks Gabriele -- that's a clear explanation, and has helped me 
work out what is going on.


Anton and Gabriele -- I have tried changing the charset we emit on 
the download to say UTF-8. But that makes little difference. As both 
of you note, once the file has been saved then (without a MAC-type 
resource fork) there is no obvious indication of the encoding. And 
several editors I have tried get it wrong -- thus "revealing" the 
extra ASCII chars.


Not sure what the solution is other than to de-UTF-8 files on download.

Which editors?

I think most editors these days allow manually changing the encoding, 
so developers who notice strange characters can just change it themselves.

Maybe it would be helpful to add a rebol.org library script header 
advertising the encoding (when it is known, and when not).

I don't recommend 'de-UTF-8'ing files on download - that's just going 
to confuse things more, especially when the file is view-script.r'd 
as utf-8 just beforehand.

It seems the responsibility lies with the clients to interpret encodings 
properly. As we move to a unicode world, software assuming 8-bit 
encodings are some ASCII encoding should drop off. But until the 
transition is complete, there's not much we can do about client software 
guessing wrong like that, except stating the encoding in the script 
header, in the web page that provides the download link, and by helping 
confused newbies.

Ok, so there are some editors which don't support unicode, don't 
guess encoding correctly, or can change encoding only with difficulty.

How about this suggestion; if a rebol.org script is known to be UTF-8, 
then an additional link should appear:

[Download as ASCII] download-a-script?script-name=ascii-math.r&encoded-as=8-bit-ascii
which transcodes a UTF-8 file to ASCII.
Just have to get a conversion function in place for this to work.

Thanks everyone.

I think our first step is to add a warning to any download for scripts 
that contain UTF-8 chars.

So, for that I need a function:

     utf-8?: func [data [string!] [ ...]   ; returns true or false [and 
     perhaps "not sure" in ambiguous cases]

I've done the easy part :-)
Can anyone help with the difficult "..." part ?


It is not as simple as just looking for ASCII > 128 .... some high 
ASCII is acceptable as part of, say, ISO 8859-1

Using Peter's code (thanks again!), I've made two changes to the 
download-a-script link:


1. if we find UTF-8 chars in a script, we download it with the HTTP 
content type charset=utf-8


But that probably makes no practical difference.  A downloaded script 
will be saved by the browser, and then opened by a text editor. The 
text editor is unlikey to be passed the charset setting. So:


2. Scripts with UTF-8 encoding are downloaded with a few lines of 
comment at their top. The comment explains the possible problem.


Thanks to all for the comments and help with getting things this 
far.

There are two file versions in the library, one for viewing, one 
for downloading. Did you use the one
from http://www.rebol.org/download-a-script.r?script-name=....r
Maybe the other ones have problems.

Thanks for your attenton to my questions. 

It seems I stumbled across the need for support of comments in ini 
files. I was also trying to cut & paste from the viewing version 
of some scripts, rather than the download version as I did not realise 
there was a destinction.  It is also possiable that my cut & pastes 
were not complete perhaps, as the scripts that would not run like 
that before seem to work ok now.


I notice that a lot of things show anomolous behaviour when used 
by inexperienced users who lack confidence. It is like they know 
who they can play tricks on, & who won't stand for it.

Cut'n'paste ought to work. Though the download format is safer as 
it has been less processed (no escaping of embedded HTML codes etc).

I can sympathise -- I generally notice _any_ new device I buy (from 
computers to wrist watches) won't work for the first half hour or 
so, But as soon as I start to think that either it's defective, or 
I am very stupid, then it starts to play fair.

Animism is still a good first attempt at understanding the universe 
:-)

yes, in the script description above the start of the script, under 
the :


     [View in color]   [View discussion [1 post]]    [License]   [Download 
     script]    [History]  [Other scripts by: moliad]



menu... just a list of uploaded images with a one line caption when 
you click on it, showing the full image. obviously, you should impose 
strinct size limits, enforcing proper compression.  and potentially 
a maximum size.

I just tried  a script download under Windows:

-- when I selected "save to disk" it was saved as a *.r file as I';d 
expect
-- when I selected "open with notepad" it got named *.r.txt"

Can someone recall me what function to call or where should I indicate 
a new download default directory of the console.  By default, it 
seems set to C:/Documents and Settings/AdminHome/Application Data/Rebol/public. 
 I would like to change that.  Thanks.

That's the View cache directory (or sandbox if you prefer), which 
gets set by the installer. Although stuff is downloaded to it it 
is more like the Windows application data directory for REBOL, a 
place for (perhaps untrustworthy) scripts to put their stuff. It's 
not really a default download directory as such.


If you want to change it, the easiest way (for a newbie) is to uninstall 
REBOL, move the entire View directory (not the public subdirectory) 
where you want it to be, and reinstall REBOL, specifying the new 
location. If you are more ambitious, the View root directory is stored 
in the registry and can be changed from there. You can't move the 
public subdirectory seperately from the entire View directory though.


Keep in mind that the View root directory is under Application Data 
for good reasons, particularly to make it easier for multiple users 
on the same computer to use REBOL. It's the standard way to do this 
on Windows, and a good idea overall. 


I tend to leave the View root in appdata where it belongs and then 
set a junction point (sort of like a symbolic link for directories 
on NTFS) in some more friendly location so I can get to the data 
easier. I use the axwLink shell extension for this, which you can 
get here: http://arniworld.de/downloads.htm

I would have to try to download it, install and try it myself, uhm, 
another lost afternoon for testing simple thing :-)

Softinnov.org was down for a couple of hours for server PSU replacement. 
The download link works now again.

I'll see if I can find some docs on it. it's the client you can download 
from mysql.com

However, you can run it emulated. But now you're probably going to 
say that it is too big to download :-)

Yes, you can install on an extra partition. Same way as you could 
install in an emulator: you need to download the base Syllable package 
instead of the CD

Just follow the instructions on our download page

I have windows which has zip support, and I have Dopus for windows. 
 I had to download lharc support the other day.

Howver, the time taken to search for a bzip2 decompressor, download 
and install, and then decompress was longer than the time it would 
have taken to download the extra 10Mb.  Maybe offer people  the choice 
of what archive they want.

Carl, you can download a minimal installation CD for Debian that 
will install extra packages over the Internet:

I have every package  for the current Debian release here. All 10GB 
of it. I do not want to download anything from the net, nor should 
that be necessary..

I do not want to download anything from the net, nor should that 
be necessary..
 I think thats the main problem, specially with debian..

 and found that Debian is really the meat behind a lot of these distros

 thats right. Which is why i suggested knoppix. Which is a debian 
 modified to run from cd without needing harddisk. Which was lthen 
 modified to dump itself to hd as debian-installation. Which is a 
 nice way to install debian IMHO.

my linux troubles (this is longer)


I'm pretty frustrated at this moment, maybe somebody can help me...


I'm linux newbie, I'm using it for 6 months or so. I've installed 
Ubuntu for my girlfriend and it works OK. So I decided to install 
linux for me too. I've got Athlon X64 computer, so I tried 64bit 
version of Ubuntu. But you cannot run 32bit programs under 64bit 
Linux, so no REBOL or AltMe. OK, I can live with 32bit linux, no 
problem. So I installed MEPIS. It's not bad, it has got media support 
but...it's KDE.


I never knew anything about KDE vs. Gnome vs. whatever wars, I just 
don't care, but day after day I found KDE to be bloated, slow and 
buggy. Compared to elegance of Ubuntu on my girfriend's computer 
I decided that I just don't like KDE, I don't like all that menus 
where I'm always lost, long loading times, that awful blue theme, 
childish icons and everything K-labeled. Every window and every button 
on KDE looks so BIG compared to windows GUI, it's just a waste of 
screens's space. So I tried different window managers and found Xfce, 
icebox and some other small and fast window managers. But running 
MEPIS with different window manager than KDE was not optimal so I 
decided to remove MEPIS and install xubuntu. Everything was OK and 
I had xubuntu instaled.


One day later I managed to exchange my gfx card. I was using Matrox 
Millenium 2MB PCI card and exchanged it for 3D labs Banshee 16MB 
PCI card (I know that both cards are somehow underpowered for my 
computer but that's OK, I don't play any 3d games, so I don't need 
some new card). I've booted into Windows and everything was OK. I 
can even select resolution better than 1024x768 (because that's not 
optimal resolution for 21" monitor :-) So I restarted and booted 
into xubuntu. x-server didn't start. 


As I said, I'm linux newbie so I don't want to mess with some config 
files so I said to myself OK, I reinstall it, it's just one day old 
installation, no problem. I've booted the live-cd, grub let me choose 
resolution of 1280x1024, I booted xubuntu and - it was running in 
640x480. Yes, I had the choice to change resolution - but only to 
320x240. I tried ubuntu (gnome) and it was the same. ubuntu's x-server 
probably does not support my banshee gfx card. I tried MEPIS also 
and - it worked! I can boot mepis 3.3.1 live cd in 1024x768 (but 
not more - with windows, I can go up to 1920x1440). But when I boot 
mepis, I do see that KDE desktop thing and it makes me feel sick 
(hell, even windows seem to be more fun to use than KDE for me!).


So, what now? I cannot use windows only (1. i don't like it :) 2. 
it's got problems of its own - it cannot download files bigger than 
cca 1MB without error. Probably some driver problem but I still haven't 
found a sollution. this is not problem on linux) and I don't like 
KDE. I know that there's one sollution - to buy relatively new pci-x 
n-vidia gfx card and problems may be gone. but that's not what I 
want to do. That 3dfx banshee is good enough for me, I just want 
some fast and small OS running on it.


Maybe I'm just missing a computer that can boot in 15 seconds into 
full GUI enviroment (yes, my old Amiga :)

or on a side note,try this new distro    http://www.ulteo.com/main/download.php

This is what we do at REBOL.org:
 print "Content-Type: text/plain"
 print "Content-Disposition: attachment; filename=sqd.r"
You can see that one in action with this URL:

http://www.rebol.org/cgi-bin/cgiwrap/rebol/download-a-script.r?script-name=sqd.r

I guess I should download the web logs to see what actually happened.

I am running XP on my local computer. Out web host's server is running 
Red Hat Linux.


Which version of core should I use on the host server to run the 
cgi scripts?


If I download the proper Linux core interpreter to my  XP computer, 
and uncompress it using WinZip, will it be corrupted by XP?  How 
do I get a clean version of core to the Linux server?

OK, now that cgi is working, I want to make a form that will allow 
people to give their name and email address to be saved in a rebol 
db file on the server for me to download at my convenience. Has anyone 
already done this so that I don't have to reinvent the wheel?

I found that in my case on Linux RebViev needs linux-gate.so.1!

I tried to google for "download linux-gate.so.1", but there was a 
lot of links for different things and it seems form me that it is 
included in some installation packgage.

Could some body help with this library  an is it worthwile (will 
RebView takes it from current dit)?

Given the small download and simple installation, it may be worth 
a try.

The storage of the emails would be the biggest change.

I presume that you wouldnt download them but just leave them on the 
server.

rebmail 4.10.11 & associated helptext has been released (18/06/2005) 
...

Changes Since 4.9.6
4.9.7   - Enhancement - Import emails" "Phil Bevan" 21/02/2005]

4.9.8   - Enhancement - Apply rules to a folder" "Phil Bevan" 30/05/2005]

4.9.9   - Bug Fix - Correct backdrop on getmail progress window" 
"Phil Bevan" 31/05/2005]

4.9.10  - Enhancement - decode ISO-8859-1 / ASCII-US encoded text" 
"Phil Bevan" 31/05/2005]

4.9.11  - Enhancement - allow Shift select to select multiple emails" 
"Phil Bevan" 01/06/2005]

4.9.12  - Bug Fix - Ensure download time is updated correcly" "Phil 
Bevan" 01/06/2005]
4.10.1  - Enhancement - Add options window
4.10.2  - Enhancement - Add rules maintenance
4.10.3  - Bug Fix - Remove Debugging info
4.10.4  - Bug Fix - Make Select Folder in Rules work
4.10.5  - Bug Fix - Apply send patch under View 1.3
4.10.6  - Bug Fix - Better Error trapping when applying fixes
4.10.7  - Bug Fix - Fix folder returned from unknown folder name

4.10.8  - Bug Fix - Do not try to copy email to itself when applying 
rules
4.10.9  - Enhancement - Add default inbox for incoming mail

4.10.10 - Bug Fix - Make Select Folder in Rules datila work for View 
1.2
4.10.11 - Bug Fix - Ensure preferences work on new install


rebmail.r can be found at .... http://www.upnaway.com/~philb/philip/pbmail/readmail.r

reabmail is also the following formats 

rip format at  .... http://www.upnaway.com/~philb/philip/pbmail/readmail.rip

zip format at  .... http://www.upnaway.com/~philb/philip/pbmail/readmail.zip


the archive containing rebmail.r & rebamail.html (rip = compressed 
self extracting rebol archive)
 
Any problems let me know.

Can !Readmail be used from a usb port drive, so that I can download 
my email from many different computers without needing to install?

I've found that this is called when you do a 'request-download

I wish. Betas of it have been freely distributed, but there is not 
yet any place that you can download a release version of Pro, Base 
or Face seperate from the SDK. It was suggested to Carl that Base 
be ported to more platforms (particularly WinCE) and he seemed to 
think it was a good idea.

to download and test it http://rebol.dev.fr/view.php?sid=161

oki it's fixed I just download it

you can download here my current work here http://shadwolf.free.fr/rebgui-list3.r

http://www.rebol.org/cgi-bin/cgiwrap/rebol/download-a-script.r?script-name=xml-parse.r

>> do http://www.rebol.org/cgi-bin/cgiwrap/rebol/download-a-script.r?script-name=xml-parse.r
>> parse-xml+ read http://www.ross-gill.com/
** Script Error: Invalid path value: parse-xml
** Where: parse-xml+
** Near: xml-parse/parser/parse-xml code

Chris -- I don't get that problem,

But you did make me look closer, and my earlier statement was wrong.
I'm using

http://www.rebol.org/cgi-bin/cgiwrap/rebol/download-a-script.r?script-name=xml-object.r
Which is similar to xml-parse, but not identical.
Example of usage:
probe: first reduce xml-to-object parse-xml
     {<?xml version="1.0" encoding="ISO-8859-1"?>
      <xxx>11</xxx>
     }

if you download anamonitor300.r, then you can browse the object  
like this

mon data

mon obj won't work because of the ":" in the object name

I would be interested in the list of scripts you use, where you place 
them, and how you use them. I probably wouldn't just download and 
install your entire config as I have established my own ways of working. 
I would inspect each piece and see if it has value to me.

The script loads the data file that contains info on the files and 
how to download handle them. Archives are usually downloaded and 
unpacked. You just have to put both files in a directory and run 
the script.

To use this you need to download a bzip decompression utility, and 
then you need to download something that will untar ....

Graham, Gabriele uploaded a prebuilt version http://sourceforge.net/projects/rebol-power-mez/files/power-mezz-built-1.0.0.zip/download

Oldes ... do you have a download somewhere of your patched async 
version?

I said I'll release Sintezar after Competition. Compo is over, so, 
I'm releasing it :) Download it from http://krutek.info/rebol/SintezarPM101.ZIP
. Unpack it somewhere and run %sintezar_pm-101.r I hope it should 
work.

I got the data using a free MSX emulator (openMSX). The music come 
from the game "Auf wiedersehen Monty".

You can use a "dump PSG" functionality in openMSX to get the raw 
data (values of the registers of the PSG).

You can find lot of roms (games) for the msx wich contain cool musics 
and effects for the AY PSG on www.planetemu.net

Beware, these roms are not freeware even if you can download them 
freely.


Another way (i have not tried), is to use VortexTracker at http://bulba.at.kz/
(see http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lYdIqcqgkPMfor a demo)

wich is well designed to compose an manipulate raw data for the AY-* 
PSG.
I think many samples are given too.

Q: What will be the future plan with the browser plugin, say within 
the next 3-6 months? How much more do we need before it can be called 
production ready? I have a few large scale projects that require 
a production ready plugin (so users won't have to download and install 
an executable).

Why is the View 1.3.2 release for Linux not on the main RT View download 
page? On the test build page it has release status, and I'm getting 
people who are unable to find the Linux download

more feedback of the kind "works great on my distro" would probably 
make it go to the main download page

All in one zip: (MS word only untill now incude some bug fixes)
• Add a Formatted Table to a Word Document.
• Add a Picture to a Microsoft Word Document.
• Add Formatted Text to a Word Document.
• Append Text to a Word Document.
• Apply a Style to a Table in a Word Document.
• Create a New Word Document.
• Create and Save a Word Document.
• Open and Print a Word Document.
• Save a Microsoft Word Document as an HTML File.
Download from:
http://www.geocities.com/benjaminmaggi/data/COMLib_Word_exmp.zip

i've download abiword because my office don't have the engish dictionary 
:) i corrected some errors http://www.geocities.com/benjaminmaggi/doc/comlib.html

and the plain text version is here http://www.geocities.com/benjaminmaggi/doc/com4rebol.txt

If you've got an older distro, you can just download the full zip 
and extract the files over your old directory.

1. User right-clicks existing plugin in browser window for context 
menu, chooses "Check for newer version of Rebol Plugin"
2. Plugin checks for newer version

3. if newer version -> "Would you like to install newer version ?" 
4. if "yes", download and install.

5. "Would you like to remove the older version (you probably don't 
need it now) ?"


When there are multiple versions installed there could a menu option 
to activate one of them.


!!Updater should not close the browser. It should suggest to the 
user to close and reopen.

Our original thinking with the plugin was as follows: Web site is 
responsible for everything. If web site requires new version of plugin, 
it specifies a new CLSID and forces the user to download it. The 
problem is, then you have 5 "REBOL/Plugin" objects in Downloaded 
Program FIles. Thoughts on that approach?

Here are the scenarios with resolutions in boolean logic as I see 
them right now:

 1. web_site_required_version not found on users computer -- download 
 required version

 2. web_site_required_version = version_on_computer && security_min_version 
 > version_on_computer -- popup, request download security update

 3. web_site_required_version = version_on_computer && security_min_version 
 <= version_on_computer && latest_version > version_on_computer -- 
 not sure

So, we have a few different scenarios (using the numbering from above):

 1. In this case, the activex system in IE will force the download 
 of the (digitally signed) CAB found in the htm, which will come from 
 RT, and contain the Plugin version that works with this system. Nothing 
 new is required, this is how it works now.

 2. Here we need to enhance REBOL somehow to check for a security 
 update, prompt the user, and download an updater EXE. This is where 
 I think I will work next.

Assuming the plugin will become wildly successful, maybe there should 
be a way to have the initial plugin download and subsequent updates 
come from a site other than rebol.com so that any outage there wouldn't 
affect users hitting a page calling for the plugin. I wonder how 
high load is handled for the Flash plugin?

Anton, that's a good question. My first thought was to ask before 
starting the download, then ask again after the download is complete 
and we are ready to install.

in some download-folder?

Should we inform the user is a new update is avalaible?

I think this should be configurable for compatible updates. I guess 
some people might become nervous, if the plugin connects to the rebol.com 
site on every invocation. Even it is only looking for updates, well, 
you'll never know ...

On incompatible updates: The user should get a message along the 
lines: "You have installed the Rebol 1.3.4 plugin, this website needs 
the 3.0 plugin" of course only, if that is true.

I would ask for "download and install" for user convenience. Ver< 
few people would want to download and check the binary before installing 
it. Maybe you _could_ add a checkbox to "only download".

Well, I hate popups, but I hate not getting inmportant info even 
more ... so, I start downloadinf a webpage, while this page is loading, 
I open another tab, and work on this. Now I return to my first page 
later, and I find an embedded message "We're sorry, you first need 
to download the new plugin version" would make me go crazy :-) So 
I would like a popup in this case. 

Well, when there is a new security update, for maximum security, 
the plugin should stop to work until the user has answered, wether 
he wants to update, or go with the old plugin.

Josh, I prefer: ask before download + install, notify afterwards 
of success or failure.

Josh, to be precise, that's:  "I prefer: ask before (download + install), 
notify afterwards..."  - where "download + install" is one operation 
from the user's point of view.

I agree with Maxim as well, there needs to be UI somewhere to stop 
automatic downloads.


With that said, is it possible to clean this whole thing up and reduce 
it to one place where you either have what you need or you don't.


Using Adobe Acrobat as an example, they have one plug-in interface.

When you download stuff, it asks you if you want any of the other 
modules Adobe has for you.  In fact a close friend of mine created 
one of those modules (Atmosphere), which is funny that Adobe's interface 
even asks if you want this, since almost no one know what Atmosphere 
is.


So a single consistent dialogue should pop up with something like 
this:

You have:

Rebol command 1.3 for OSX
Rebol view 3.0 for OSX

New modules that are available:    

[_] Rebol view 3.0 for OSX
[_] VID2 interface Alpha for OSX


[X] Always ask before downloading

[Skip] [Download all now]

1) UI - we are not Flash player, we will likely produce real-life 
apps. So - do we give up right mouse click for configuration options? 
What if you will have your own one in your app? OTOH imo there NEEDS 
to be some UI for setting some parameters! Not everything which comes 
to my mind can be hidden from user. The ones which come to my mind 
- do you want to check for updates? Once a month, week, daily, Automatic 
downloade newer version? Ask, download. Use newest version if app 
does not specify its requirement? (maybe not needed, just an example 
of what could be configurable). Proxy settings .... List available 
version, provide uninstall button, etc.

pekr, I sort of agree with you, but it's impossible to ignore how 
widespread flash is, not for apps, but for animations, stylish pages 
and now video with youtube and video.google.com. I actually think 
the easiest way to watch video is through flash.


The point is though not really what flash does, it's how it gets 
spread. I think REBOL/Plugin should emulate that behavior as close 
as humanly possible. people who have installed flash, would know 
how to install REBOL/plugin (visit a specific site, wait for download, 
click 1-2 buttons, done). That initial "installation experience" 
is incredibly important for the widespread use of REBOL/plugin. If 
people can't use it within the first 1-2 minutes, they'll forget 
about it and move on.

Volker, to clarify, the problem is not with COM versioning, but rather: 
when to download a new REBOL DLL binary

Extracting the download into the plugins folder creates a sub-folder 
called rebol-moza1 containing the files.

Tried copying the files out of there back inot the plugins folder 
and  closing & opening firefox, but still no joy :-(

to know if plug-in works, the version should appear in the plug-in 
app container .... if you are not behind the proxy, script will download 
and app launched ....

Or take security/licensing......we could have the plugin DLL automatically 
download the correct version EXE (View/ViewPro/Command/etc.) based 
on the version the script requires (so the initial download could 
be quite small, with a "download as needed" architecture)

Yes, just like Google video urges you to download the Google player.

For me the plugin download on the page Josh sent a link for. However, 
when I try to run the examples, none of them will work. This is on 
IE.

BTW how about changing the exe to a thin wrapper around the dll? 
Would be a single download for both. (could be offered in both ways, 
completely one exe, or wrapper + plugin + dll).

for those of you who missed the announcement, there is now a GLayout 
demo on REBOL.org you can lauch it via:


do http://www.rebol.org/cgi-bin/cgiwrap/rebol/download-a-script.r?script-name=glayout-demo.r

Maxim: can you post the download url''s I wanted to play around possibly 
to see if I can understand what you are getting at.

new release of liquid: 

to download the file:          http://www.rebol.org/cgi-bin/cgiwrap/rebol/download-a-script.r?script-name=liquid.r

for some docs on liquid:   http://www.pointillistic.com/open-REBOL/moa/steel/liquid/index.html

>> do http://www.rebol.org/cgi-bin/cgiwrap/rebol/download-a-script.r?script-name=liquid.r
connecting to: www.rebol.org
Script: "LIQUID - core dataflow programming engine." (4-Feb-2007)
** Script Error: slim has no value
** Near: slim/register [

Anyway, why somoone would like to do remakes of an old games? We 
have emulators and the old games are available for download without 
problems now, like from this place: http://eager.back2roots.org/A-Z.HTML
If someone want to do a game in Rebol, it should be a new game which 
will use all the features of the network - it should be multiplayer 
online game - imagine Altme, but with avatars going around:-) I'm 
just waiting for R3 where I will be able to use custom fonts, better 
sound and modules  (for example). The problem I see is, that most 
of us here are coders, not graphic artists:(

yes, you have to download zip

Hi James,


I've got 20 rooms set up already that I use to do live online music 
lessons on a daily basis.  I think the existing format of those rooms 
could work very well as they stand.  I'll create a special room just 
for Rebol Devcon.  I'd like to show you what I've got, to see if 
it'd work for your needs.  The audio/video conference software works 
on PC/Mac/Linux, in any browser that has a fairly recent version 
of the flash plugin installed (I believe version 6 onward will work 
- 8+ will definitely work).  Aside from flash, there's no installation 
required to use the system - just go to the designated web page. 
 It will allow anyone in the room to take turns jumping onto the 
mic/camera to speak (admin can ban unwanted users), there's a text 
chat, and I've got a really simple way of sharing screen shots already 
installed in the existing room setup.  It should take only a minute 
or 2 to show presenters how it works...


I've being doing daily live online music lessons as a part of my 
commercial music lesson business for the past 4.5 years, and this 
system is the most stable and simple that I'm aware of.  It'll work 
through just about any router/firewall configuration, and it's dead 
simple to use - visitors just go the url, and they'll hear and see 
the speaker.  If they want to be seen on camera and speak, they just 
need to have a web cam and microphone installed and working.  If 
flash is running in the browser, it'll work immediately, no download 
or installs to do.


There's a video that I send to students which explains a little about 
it:  

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_sx5qI0GWig


The online lesson page for my business, which has basic info about 
web cams, microphones, and headphones, is here:

http://rockfactory.us/OnlineLessons.html

Please let me know if you have any questions :)


> If someone will email me personally, I can start putting together 
some 

> suggestions about how to organize and manage the presentation. 
 I need

> to get an idea of what sort of software components will be needed: 

> white board, text chat, file sharing, 1-to-many/many-to-many video 

> conferencing, etc...  I'd also need to get a close estimate beforehand

> of the number of people attending, to make sure I prepare enough 

> bandwidth and available connections for the live event (If you'd 
like,

> I've got a little Rebol sign-up script that I use in my business 
to 

> let people sign up for events, you're welcome to use that if you'd 

> like, to help organize things).  Please let me know whenever you 
get a 
> chance!
>
> - Nick Antonaccoio

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Current video list (ver 2)
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- What is the actual architecture here?

- Times Roman font is ugly

- Welcome page needs a better looking welcome page (put it in a nice 
standard box)
- Stealing Vista UI on video is a copyright infringement.

- Bottom controls (just under 3 video frames) were hidden when I 
first came in (I needed to pull the iframe down).
- "Who is online" needs to be a list on the left side.

- The chance to send video took about 3 minutes, so I did not see 
how to do this.  The video box should say it will do this for you 
at some point.
- Chat box shows "viewer n" as opposed to <name>
- Each iframe seems to come up too small.
- Chat buffer is too small (and allows too few characters.

- Echo is a big problem (Other systems have this problem, but TeamSpeak 
less than others).


= Screen shot capture = 


- Change [Download screen sender] to [Download Windows Screen Sender]. 
 Or just ad Windows icon.

- Add icons to all functions at bottom, like an upload icon for Upload.

- Rename [RockFactory] to same name as it thinks it is PNGShot.exe. 
 My virus catcher was NOT happy about this program running.

Can we download the DevCon video, transcripts, whatever?