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The Download link on Ohloh is wrong

The zip doesn't want to download for me. Must be a sign I should 
run lean for the moment, and bug Doc for a few features. :-)

You can also use Fossil to download and update it comfortably:

(or download a zip package)

Here you can compile your Red scripts online and then download the 
compile executable file:
http://bircomteknoloji.com:8181/

Would be nice to be able to download the Red zip file and be able 
to compile scripts in another directory?

Almost forgot about the Trello page. Do you use that page as an interim 
planning for what is actually being worked on? If so, and once you 
have few minutes of spare time (I can imagine you don't :-), maybe 
one sentence reference on the Roadmap page would make it a nice addition:

You can find actual tasks we work on on the following Trello page

 .... it would make feel ppl more dynamic about the project, as Roadmap 
 page is rather static. OTOH we can watch Git commits, twitter, but 
 still if one needs to know, what is an actual priority, and as far 
 as Trello page is being updated, it would make some sense. E.g. "Download" 
 addtion was imo very nic simplification for those starting with Red 
 ...

You can also download as one package:

sho should I download whole 32 bit JDK?

cairo is a large download

It's easier to download all bindings together with the download.r 
script:

OK, so will ask in a different way (wrt Android) - will there be 
any official release, an example published, or even a blog article? 
If not, I will post as we go. If so, I might wait, so that we can 
refer ppl to download it and try to do their own small steps ...

on my HTC, I even don't know how to uninstall. I just download, choose 
to launch, it says previous version is going to be removed, then 
I install, run, and it is ok ...

If the automation script I'm working on work, you'll be able to generate 
an APK without download the SDK and JDK! ;-)

The first time the scripts runs, it download copies of binaries from 
the Android SDK, so it can take some seconds depending on your connection.

And there's a complete list of all my repositories in my download.r 
script, which you can use to download and update them all in one 
go:

While I am at it, I'm on the dyn-lib-emitter page, is there something 
I click on to download the entire dyn-lib folder?

Kaj: it worked fine on my Ubuntu system. Did the script download 
the binaries in builds/tools/ ? If not, can you please trace the 
reason why it didn't?

I didn't see any download activity

I ran the script with R3 first, and it bombed out just before the 
downloading. It does very little error checking, so the folder structure 
was already created, and afterwards it skips the download completely

Yes, you're supposed to use R2 for Red. ;-) The download is done 
once only, so it doesn't need extensive error checking, if something 
goes wrong, just delete the builds/ folder and run it again.

Should be able to find a free download via Microsoft site.  I think 
it is include in the Driver Development kit.

The red APK builder script build.r attempt to download some files 
i.e. http://static.red-lang.org/droid-tools/jli.dll.But only gets 
404 Page not found...

http://red.esperconsultancy.nl/Red-common/dir?ci=tip

Direct download:

http://red.esperconsultancy.nl/Red-common/zip/Common+Red+Definitions+and+Utilities-51981a6662cdec45.zip?uuid=51981a6662cdec45d0797fddd84945f4029e9637

How does anyone know, there is a download script?

Petr, I've published the existence of the download script here many, 
many times

the download script has one big issue - it requires to install Fossil.

I believe it would not be difficult to write a script, which would 
download your sources without Fossil, but it's not my priority... 
just wanted to note, that there are people who don't want to install 
Fossil.

I don't need to install REBOL, I'm using REBOL many years already 
and for many purposes every day, I'm sure I would not use Fossil 
for anything else than just download your scripts.

If you want to contribute a download script without Fossil, please 
do

Half a year ago people complained about the Fossil websites, so I 
developed the download script for them. That will have to do for 
now. I'm sure that when I make the website, people will want something 
else again

Here is a starter: https://raw.github.com/Oldes/rs/master/projects/kaj-fossil-download/latest/kaj-fossil-download.r

Oldes, I'm interested in the psychology of this. Why would you rather 
write a script for which you need deep Fossil knowledge, than download 
one Fossil executable file?

The way one needs GitHub for your script is the same way one needs 
Fossil for my work that people complain about. They're both web viewers 
for source control repositories that you can also use to give download 
links to people, although that's not their primary design

Difference between Github's web UI and Fossil's web UI is that Github 
can generate stable download URLs for the "latest" version. That's 
a huge difference even from an efficiency standpoint.

How so? Fossil supplies the same download URLs

http://red.esperconsultancy.nl/Red-test/doc/trunk/download.r

I am with Kaj on this. Supplying the download link when you update 
some project is not meaningful. If the corresponding link to the 
fossil rep is posted you can take a quick look at the  projectfiles 
and then decide if it is worth the troul]ble for you to update your 
own repo's with the dl script.

Besides that, the Github is not a nice solution imho just chosen 
because of free, and widely used (for exposure purposes) not for 
real ease iyam (if you ask me). So better appreciate the huge work 
Kaj has pulled of to make Red much more widely useable and accept 
his choice.

That's helpful - it took me a little looking to find and download 
all the libs.  I doubt there are too many people outside our small 
group who would put in the effort.

I upgraded the Fossil server for the Red bindings to the new version 
1.25. There are some nice new features in it:

http://www.fossil-scm.org/download.html

They also have a new short introduction guide:


http://www.fossil-scm.org/index.html/doc/trunk/www/fiveminutes.wiki

I dropped the cURL dependency from my red-base distribution. This 
means that it now only depends on a few libraries that can be expected 
to be included in all platforms. This version of the Red interpreter 
can now be used on Windows as a single executable, without any extra 
libraries. The Windows version red-base.exe is here:

http://red.esperconsultancy.nl/Red-test/dir?ci=tip&name=MSDOS/Red


It has versions of READ and WRITE for local file I/O, but no network 
I/O. It also has the other functionality from the C library, such 
as INPUT, ASK, GET-ENV, CALL, NOW and RANDOM, but for more functionality 
you still have to use red-core and red, and download the extra libraries 
for Windows.

As an example, the interpreter to run messaging scripts on a Raspberry 
Pi without GUI is here:

Linux-ARM/Red/red-core-message


The interpreter to develop GUI scripts on x86 Linux to communicate 
with a Raspberry Pi is here:

Linux/Red/red-message


A similar interpreter to develop GUI scripts on Windows to communicate 
with a Raspberry Pi is here:

MSDOS/Red/red-message.exe


As always, for Windows you also have to download the libraries that 
are included in the repository, according to the instructions here:


http://web.syllable.org/news/2012-11-18-20-47-Red-high-level-programming-language-first-alpha.html

This replaces the Windows Driver Development Kit (WDK) that you normally 
have to install on Windows to compile drivers. The WDK is a full 
CD download, 650MB. You don't need the WDK, but currently, you do 
still need to run the Red/System compiler on Windows (or WINE on 
Linux) to compile Windows drivers. This limitation will be removed 
later, so you will be able to cross-compile Windows drivers from 
all other Red platforms, like you can with other Red programs.

Thanks Bo for giving it a try. Yup, the tile game is a bit "buggy" 
even at the rebol script level as I wrote it around 3 or 4 AM on 
Friday night(or should I say Saturday morning? ;-)) I tried to quickly 
mimick the 'swipe' gesture but it is not perfect at all. Let's see 
if I can improve it in the new release...or maybe anyone here could 
write simple game in R3 even on Windows that will use the DOWN, UP 
and MOVE mouse events the way so it is fun on touch screen? We can 
embedd it in the new release as a bonus or if there are more demos 
we can create simple menu where you can download it and have fun...anyone? 
;-)

Hello MaxV: Congrats to your first R3GUI app! ;-) I have some questions/notes 
though:

1. Why one needs to download the two DLL files to get R3B running?? 
(not much user friendly IMO)


2. On your Blog page you say: "First of all there are some bugs, 
most of them depends on R3GUI, for example this one: https://github.com/angerangel/r3bazaar/issues/8"

I bet this is not related to R3GUI at all but more to your R3B build. 
The REQUEST-FILE works without any problems in our Saphirion build 
(and I think also the "official" Carl's build works well but haven't 
tried it). I tried to download and run your R3B binary and I can 
confirm the bug is related only to this version so it would be fair 
enough if you remove your R3GUI blaming from the blog entry if possible. 
I know R3GUi is not perfect so maybe you can just change the blame 
for some other which is really related to the framework. Or better 
feel free to ask any questions in RgGUI group here!

3. I've looked into the EDITOR function code and comparing to the 
R3 editor code (which is still twice as big as the R3GUI version 
- but I don't know if they match the features though) the R3GUI code 
looks much cleaner and abstracted that the R2 style even if you are 
not expereienced writing R3GUI apps. Some notes:


3.1 I'm curious why are you accessing the internal AREA style value 
like face/names/tb or aa/names/tb/state/value? Is that for some reason? 
Why you don't use the AREA directly like:
do-actor/style face 'on-key arg 'area
instead of
do-actor/style face/names/tb 'on-key arg 'text-box

or

write (to-file AA-INFO/OPTIONS/text-edit) get-face aa


write (to-file AA-INFO/OPTIONS/text-edit) aa/names/tb/state/value 


3.2 There is "classic" but anoying bug. If you open file requester 
and close it without selecting a file the editor errors out. (but 
you probably already noticed)


3.3 Would be great if you add keyboard shortcuts. It's easy to add 
them. See the layouts-15.r3 file in R3GUI Saphirion package as an 
example.


3.4 Maybe you could try to write your first R3GUI style - MENU It 
would be handy in the editor(and also in other apps) instead of the 
buttons on top.


Anyway, thanks for promoting R3 and R3GUI. I appreciate all your 
efforts!

Another thing is that the classic SDL that's available everywhere, 
currently the 1.2.x series, is single-window. To get a proper R3 
host with multiple windows you need SDL 1.3, which is usable but 
is in a very stretched out development process, like R3. 1.3 has 
Android and iOS support, so you'd usually want that, anyway, but 
it's harder to get ready to download binaries for it, and I haven't 
tested it with my binding yet

Well, I have mixed feelings ... Carl simply gave up on Rebol and 
its message imo ... felt strange: " I'm no longer in the mode of 
convincing the world about Rebol. I've learned a lot over the last 
couple years in the trenches." ..... later .... "So, I know really 
well now that Rebol is not for every developer.... but it would get 
more interest if R3+GUI was easy to download an get running on a 
variety of those devices on your list."

What is the link to download r3-gui.r3? There's incrrect link on 
the webpage, leading just to the same page, not target file ...

found the link http://development.saphirion.com/resources/r3-gui.r3
... the download section link leads to /downloads though ...

If you don't mind I've added some more 'bells' to your script. Try 
this version: http://rebol.atwebpages.com/tests/r3gui-httpget.r3

To se that the asyncs works nicely, just hit the "download" button 
few more times ;)

for example, synchronous operations are just a hack, they fail if 
you try to download a larger file as there is a time limit to the 
whole operation.

SDL: I just tried an app using it with OSX. That's not really end-user 
friendly. Needs to be totally self-contained. No config etc. just 
download and start.

If you wantt I can put the "minimal" MSYS bin folder into a zip archive 
so you can download it and just copy it into your codeblocks instalation...

@Robert - do you think Saphirion could put up a newer source download 
if publishing to a repo is not going to happen in the near future?

a newer download or the public repo?

newer source download

This is a periodic posting of community links along with activity 
levels for discussion dedicated to Rebol and Rebol-like languages. 
The intent is to bring a dispersed community together by providing 
the current list of places where the community gathers along with 
reasonably accurate activity indicators for each place. This list 
will be posted in each location weekly or bi-weekly so that anyone 
dropping by will not have to look far in order to learn where else 
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Currently the activity stats are gathered manually and postings are 
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# Chats

## R3 Chat

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- To view public messages from any web browser go to RebDev mobile/phone 
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## AltME Worlds

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- connect to the 'rebol-gate' world with user/pass, guest/guest
- request account on REBOL4 world in the REBOL4 request group

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# Q&A (Question & Answer)

## Stack Overflow questions on Rebol
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The Library does add tnose comments when you click the download button.

It's partially to warn you if the munging to protext emails has changed 
the script in any way that matters -- you may need to demung some 
scripts to make them work.
.

The date is irrelevant and confusing. It means nothi ng....I don't 
think we add it any more. If you want to know the history of versions 
of a script: use the History link, eg:

http://www.rebol.org/cgi-bin/cgiwrap/rebol/script-history.r?script-name=liquid.r

and since I am babbling here... I will throw in some suggestions 
as well.


1. User are not interested in how many scripts there is in the library.

2. User are not interested in how many messages in the mailing list 
archive.

However, user may be interested in

1. Most popular script by download
2. Latest script contributed to the library
3

by download and user rating?

user rating is an interesting concept......But that needs defining 
as a metric too. Who is rating for what? And who would bother?


Download is heavily biased by the fact that most downloads are by 
bots.

Older scripts are, by definition donwloaded more simply because they've 
been around longer

Also scripts near the start of the alphabet have an unfair advantage 
(they are near the top of any bots list)


Check out the "what does this all mean?" link on this page for a 
more detailed discussion:
http://www.rebol.org/cgi-bin/cgiwrap/rebol/script-popularity.r

How about we have a no-cache directive to stop ISPs caching the scripts 
for the download page - so we are sure to get the latest one?

Problem is that the download page *is* a static URL if you go to 
it directly, eg,
    http://www.rebol.org/library/scripts-download/menu-system.r

But of you click the "download script" link while viewing a script, 
you do go via a dynamic URL -- it creates the static one for you 
and then redirects, eg

http://www.rebol.org/cgi-bin/cgiwrap/rebol/download-a-script.r?script-name=menu-system.r


{What we should do is update the static file whenever a script is 
added or updated. That would fix most instances of this....I'll put 
that on the list, thanks]

Hi Sunanda,


I have problems downloading the desktop librarian. Download always 
stops at 99% (tried with firefox and free download manager).

Thanks -- looks like there is a problem with the content-length header 
 (I thought there might be as I remember problems in testing when 
trying to get a value that all browsers were happy with. I think 
I've made IE happy while bemusing Firefox).


I've re-uploaded the script. It now doesn't set a content-length 
header. So, if you try again, it should work. But you may not get 
a download progress bar (because your browser isn't told the length 
in advance)

My apologies for the problem!

You can download Grahams' ML archive application (or. at least you 
could until he started having trouble with 1and1's hosting).

Assuming it's still available, you get 70Meg of ML messages and it 
has a search that runs on your ow desktop.

Download everything and grep in the folder

I don't think I can download the entire ML archive from REBOL.org, 
can I?

You could download all messages via the LDS interface...But I wouldn't 
recommend that: you need over 43,000 separate calls to do that.

REBOL.org doesn't offer a single packaged download of the ML archive. 
Maybe it should....

....Bui remember, that service is available from Graham; though it 
is off line until 1and1 sort out thier billing problem (scroll up 
to see Graham's message)

Use the download URL, eg:

do http://www.rebol.org/cgi-bin/cgiwrap/rebol/download-a-script.r?script-name=ascii-chart.r

Formatting problem on this page ?

http://www.rebol.org/cgi-bin/cgiwrap/rebol/view-script.r?script=ftpgadget-package.r

;;  To download and install the files in the package you need to
;;  run a installation program.  

;;  If you are running View (1.3 or later):

    do http://www.rebol.org/library/public/repack.r

;;  If you are running Core:
 

    do http://www.rebol.org/library/public/repack-core.rhalt
         ; <------ space missing

Note : I launch Repack by typing this in the console (by example, 
while trying to get QML-ED) :

do http://www.rebol.org/cgi-bin/cgiwrap/rebol/download-a-script.r?script-name=qm
l-ed.r

Tried download again, there is a bug:
|| Downloading:   qml-ed.r/RS-NE+.gif
|| REQUEST FAILED...
|| REBOL.ORG says file not in package

It is missing important apps like CVS and SSH for instance, and I'm 
not a typical Linux user who can spend hours to find and download 
the GNU sources for an app, configure the build, and compile it.

 <--- don't know how Mandrake handles packages other than it's RPM, 
 but Debian handles these things in seconds with a single CLI command, 
 and it surely isn't necessary to hunt down sources manually. :-)

I always regarded Debian as a bit harder to start with but many times 
easier to maintain once it runs.

i have a /usr/lib/win32 full of such codes. and there where one or 
two other dirs mentioned too. IIRC xine suggested to download the 
mplayer-codes too, althought i installed from distro.

try to download mpeg4ip, it is a mp4-only player/encoder. that should 
in theory work...

Chris: from what I see, it does not. Either the file has to be transfered 
and saved on the server with unix-style line enders or -q has to 
be there to make it work for me. Time will tell. Unfortunately I 
don't have a linux machine to download and compare.... Can you say 
"Heisenberg Uncertainty Principle"? :-) Anway, what works, works. 
I'll post more on this subject when I actually get back to programming. 
thanks.

HELP w/ web rebol associations AND Rebol-View.
Here is the story..


On my PC, I have View pointing to an index.r file on my web server.
Everything is cool.

When I open up Rebol-View and traverse to my index.r on the server..
it works.


Now on the same server, I change the IIS-Web associations so that 
I can do rebol CGI.
I create a 'main.r' in some virtual directory on the server.
Web-ing to this http.//myserver/mydir/main.r   works GREAT!
CGI is working.


However, when I now open up Rebol-View on my local PC and traverse 
to my index.r which is
on the server.. I get an error.


The problem is that before.. rebol-view was requesting a file-download 
and the server sends it.

Now since IIS is doing '*.r' CGI, when rebol-view requests for the 
index.r download.. the server is processing the request
and attempting to send back html.. not a rebol file.


Is there any way of fixing this other than..

* changing the CGI association from '*.r' to something else  (ie. 
'*.rr')

* changing all my view-apps on the server from '*.r' to something 
else   (ie. '*.rr')
??

Sometimes I need to refresh twice -- but usually CSS is well cached 
(so you only have to download a stylesheet for a site once)

Maybe there could be some download link, I was able to get it working 
with your help with few emails exchange. Thru other ppl usage you 
could gain more feedback or simply docs, or someone could do some 
other coding ....

What you should know is, that the dialect is almost useless if you 
don't know how Flash works and don't know the ActionScript. The good 
start is to registed and download SWF file format specification from 
this page: http://www.macromedia.com/licensing/developer/

and download ActionScript help file as well

go here: http://www.macromedia.com/cfusion/entitlement/index.cfm?e=file_format
register and download

james: the elasticboy is not my flash file! it's just a test if it's 
possible to download movie from other domain.

flash is on zero browsers until installed...I've set up machines 
at work for guys in the firehouse to use. Every computer there gathers 
so much adware/spyware/viruses that I can never keep up cleaning 
them. I've had to re-install windows so many times and each time 
I have to re-install the latest flash player. I resorted to setting 
up puppy linux and running off a bootable cd..(with the typical complaints 
about it not being windows) Anyway...rebol plug-in is easire to download 
than flash so what's the bigdeal. I install active-x controls all 
the time when I find a site that interests me and needs the control.

Three problems with them:


1) The widget engine is a hefty 12MB or so download (for widgets 
that are nothing other than HTML+CSS+Javascript+Images bundled in 
a zip file with a magic extension)

2) The download/installation process tries repeatedly to high-jack 
your browser preferences

3) The widgets look pretty ordinary compared to the OS X dashboard 
equivalents (go here, http://www.apple.com/downloads/dashboard/and 
compare the respective dictionary/thesaurus offerings)

Maybe something for Rebol as well:


dsandler writes "Researchers at Rice University have just released 
version 0.7 

of FeedTree, a peer-to-peer system for distributing Web feeds faster. 
Instead of 

polling feeds independently, FeedTree users cooperate to share news 
updates 

using multicast in Pastry, a scalable p2p overlay network. FeedTree 
reduces the 

update delay for existing RSS and Atom feeds to a few minutes without 
putting 

extra stress on the webserver (anyone who's ever been temporarily 
banned by 

Slashdot's RSS feed knows this is a real concern). Feed publishers 
can also 

choose to push digitally signed updates for immediate, tamper-proof 
delivery to 

subscribers. The client software (download) runs on Linux, OS X, 
and Windows, 
and works with any desktop feed reader." 
 
http://rss.slashdot.org/Slashdot/slashdot?m=3816

Ah, let me get back to you...we need to get a download location set 
up.

maybe have rebol in the plugin download a license from a web server 
or something like that.

one issue is size. do we distribute /pro/view to everyone, and make 
everyone download a bigger file? or do we have two different plugin, 
two different sizes?

The URL for download is: http://www.rebol.net/plugin/moz-1/.

Installation instructions: Download all the files. Copy them to your 
plugins directory (except test.html). Open test.html and it should 
work.

did you download and copy the files to your firefox plugins directory?

and so, what about attempts to run it outside the browser? I'm thinking 
licensed scripts that someone figured out to download separately 
and tries to run it directly in REBOL/View. I'm not sure how much 
of an issue this is, but it's a first step towards reverse engineering.

With the current plugin release, new versions require uninstalling 
previous versions, because of the IE plugin architecture (it is finding 
the existing plugin on your computer, so it sees no need to download 
a new version).

2) Build an automatic updating mechanism into the plugin, so it will 
check for new updates, prompt the user if he or she wants to download 
those updates, and then install on-top of the previous installation.

Yes, the installation will have to be quick. That's not a problem 
though, as we can download the files in the background (similar to 
what Flash and Acrobat Reader do).

Doc, I am also one of your fans. I've been going to your web site 
regularly to see if Cheyenne was released. I was excited to be able 
to download it. But I have a problem. Cheyenne loads fine, but when 
I try to test the links on the index.html page they fail. What am 
I doing wrong?

yes... must agree with Doc. It's very easy, just download the latest 
precompiled version (I have 4.20) install, uncomment the https as 
doc said and than do:
      stunnel.exe -install
to install it as service.. and:
      stunnel.exe -start
to start it.

Just download and install the precompiled version : http://www.stunnel.org/download/stunnel/win32/stunnel-4.20-installer.exe

Then STunnel => Run STunnel ...and that's all. Takes 2 mn, including 
the download time.