AltME groups: search

I think it has to do with the fact that many service providers will 
timeout an http port  xfer even if its still working.  and that amounts 
to about 6MB .  I have that kind of effect with gmail.  if I try 
to download something larger than 3MB it fails... because of the 
length it takes to download with my phone  modem

We had to do an update, the "download file" was driving me crazy.

I'll third the second request, (which is now the "0"th) ... Don't 
loose any data!!!
and related subrequests ...

- don't drop me out of whatever I'm reading / writing, just because 
altme lost connection ... who cares? But I DO care, if suddenly the 
unread markings are lost

- If I start typing a message in one channel, then go to a second, 
clear the input field, and remember the message for the channel I 
started typing it, so that I can send it later, when I go back to 
that channel

- if I write a message, but don't have a connection, save it, and 
ask me whether I stil want to send, when the connection comes back 
(with a time threshold, send silently 5 minutes later, but not 5 
days) ( Yes, this is debatable, what if I realize, that I _wanted_ 
to send this to a different channel?

OK, it's time again for the twice weekly drive Reichart crazy competition 
to get your favourite bugs fixed ... ;-)

I'll just copy verbatim from one of my last entries ...


I'll third the second request, (which is now the "0"th) ... Don't 
loose any data!!!
and related subrequests ...

- don't drop me out of whatever I'm reading / writing, just because 
altme lost connection ... who cares? But I DO care, if suddenly the 
unread markings are lost

- If I start typing a message in one channel, then go to a second, 
clear the input field, and remember the message for the channel I 
started typing it, so that I can send it later, when I go back to 
that channel

- if I write a message, but don't have a connection, save it, and 
ask me whether I stil want to send, when the connection comes back 
(with a time threshold, send silently 5 minutes later, but not 5 
days) ( Yes, this is debatable, what if I realize, that I _wanted_ 
to send this to a different channel?

Not yet teamwork, but I _can_ be persistant ;-)

I have sent Graham the 2004 list, there were alot more who cared 
back then ... do we have to get them to agree as well

I'm happy for somebody else to do it.

maybe possibility to do skinning (at least color settings) would 
solve this issue. But you must have really bad monitor if you have 
such a problem:-)

and... building just the server should be easy enough to do.

but the final question is... but do we want Carl to put time on this 
or R3  ;-)?

My present solution is to login remotly when I notice altme is gone, 
and leave a VNC created xsession up with altme restarted manually 
on it. But I prefer my computers trained to do things for me ;-)

Bobo: altme needs to have a world and password specified to start 
the local server. I tried command line parameters to do that, there 
are in fact parameters that can be passed to altme from the command 
line, but it did'nt start my world properly.

denismx:  I'm not following very well.  Is your problem with the 
Debian server as I have this working for a family server hosted on 
a windows machine as I'm sure many people here do.  If you want to 
try again on a windows OS, place a shortcut in your startup folder. 
 In the target field the command should be similar to this...

I noticed a small but costly redraw issue (particularly when using 
AltME through remote desktop): When I am in this group and then click 
the checklist button and I then click on RebServices, AltME first 
redraws this group again and then draws the RebServices group. This 
takes 1-2 additional seconds to do.

Did all the updates and then tried to install vmware server .. no 
go. complained of kernel mismatches when trying to do stuff.

why not just turn off automatic updates

 - that's what i always do. better to do the updates manually. but 
 it's a waste of time, if only they could get these things right...

What I really want to see is full exposure of text properties, rigt 
click of the aA button, but a simple "font-size" switch will do.

James, I had the opportunity recently, while I was in a busy period 
(before this one) to make money on a job setting up an AltME-like 
website and was given about a week to do it. I decided to hand them 
AltME instead. I never got any money for solving the problem in 5 
minutes rather than a week and I never heard back from them, so I 
don't know how it went. I suspect people are not interested in something 
that is not already in use by millions of people. One can ponder 
whether that was a stupid move or not. :-)

And I know of some doctors who can't decide what they want to be 
.. so they do both!

Search utility for Altme: works across worlds and even if you are 
offline:

http://www.rebol.org/cgi-bin/cgiwrap/rebol/documentation.r?script=skimp-my-altme.r
***
Use the package downloader to install:
  do http://www.rebol.org/library/public/repack.r

do a search in this world... its been covered before... or just browse 
up a bit... you're bound to find it.

Ah, I need to try the bundle steps for AltME.  I'm still launching 
from a terminal session, though I do have one open typically anyway.

They can certainly use the template as a starting point, but need 
to add their own copyright and other information ... plus add icons 
that are a bit more polished for the Mac (a bit of shadow on the 
existing icon and one drawn at 128x128 should do the trick). I should 
also point out that "my" app bundle merely builds on the work that 
Gabriele and others have done ... I just put it together in a usable 
format and published first, ;)

<< Any rules about who can post into what groups?>>

If you can see a group in the groups list, then you can post into 
it. If your posts are not appearing then either:

* it has been lost -- if you have a flakey connection, Altme will 
try to upload the message from your machine and if it discovers it 
needs to reconnect, it will do so automatically and then THROW YOUR 
MESSAGE AWAY. All you see is the "reconnecting" message. You are 
not told your message has been discarded.

* it has been recieved, but is not rebroadcast to everyone. Some 
people see it withing seconds, some do not unless they later post 
inot the same group This is the resync problem refered to above.

Can you help, please?

I'm trying to establish if we all have the same Altme Group number 
for the same Altme Groups.


If we do, then an app I want to build using merged data from several 
Altme users will be very easy.

If we don't, then I must salute Altme's excellent security measure 
in making the group number local to each user. But I have to do so 
while walking back to the drawingboard to redesign the application.

So, please: could a few people right-click !Atme in the Groups list 
and tell me what #nnn they see to the right of the Group Name?
Thanks!
I see #151

is it possible to have an API for altme where we can do things such 
as online backgammon via altme?  Its the perfect lobby setup :)

Greg, my problems with worlds colliding has been limited of late, 
but I recall it had something to do with the fact that the original 
world associated with 5400 was not working when you regestered the 
new world.  So instead of the new world grabbing the 5401 port (the 
next in line) it grabbed the first available port, 5400.

I'm assuming this bug has already been reported but if not it seems 
when you have altme open and spend the windows taskbar so that it 
takes the maximum space that it crashes altme.  Not that many people 
would do that but still seems to be a bug.

If I type something but do not send it, and switch to different channel, 
the text in area is shown

I hope we will be able to put different color flag in front of every 
msg in AltME. I would like to mark msgs as "important", "to answer", 
"to do" ...

I want to have W2K automatically start my worlds.  Can anyone tell 
me how to do this? (please list all steps if possible. Assume I am 
an idiot, because I am)

do some internet timings to see what's going on

* Server clock check is now optional. You can enable or disable it 
from your Settings panel. This features checks that your server (world) 
clock matches your local clock (adjusted for time zone).

    * Fixes major bug in offline usage when you want to read your messages 
    while not connected to the net.

    * Fixes minor bug in icon pane when you right clicked on the help 
    part of the application icon panel, an error would occur.

    * Minor changes to AltME update notice. First, AltME will close when 
    you read the update news in your browser. Also, if you do nothing, 
    the update notice will close after 30 seconds. Both of these changes 
    are done to keep AltME from timeout problems.

    * Updates bug tracker applet (selected worlds). Removes unused fields 
    and buttons. Simplifies parts of the layout. Improves some of the 
    report modes.

I now have a zillion red groups.

Plus a lot of wrong settings (like the last two pressed of enter 
transmitted the line)


But I do have a dozen or so groups with messages I'd never seen from 
up to two months ago.....It was drastic but it has fixed the resync 
bug for me, at least for a while.

the only way to do that is to export it as HTML and edit the HTML 
file

- I am kind of experience user, don't worry.


I don't worry.  However, what I do is treat all people and problems 
the same way, which is not to make any assumptions.  Sadly this method 
often conflicts with ego.

Edgar, gee, can't you read?


Interesting to read someone else trying to help you, you snapping 
back, and then realizing that it was in fact you who was not reading…

As I said, I try to not make any assumptions.


Perhaps some energy spent on appreciated those trying to help you 
would go a long way…

Given the trouble with the Mailing list as well (feedback), what 
about simply moving everything over to Gmail Groups?  All these problems 
have been solved by them already.  It has IMAP access, so you can 
still do ML archives.  And it is all free.  There are a few things 
about Gmail Groups I don't like (but I suspect all ML have the same 
problems), I simply don't like Email in the first place, so I'm biased.

I think a big move to Gmail would have many positive aspects:


-	Feedback problem is gone, since you can have multiple moderators 
that can check.
-	We have a centralized location for requests to AltME

-	We can make it public already, so you may be able to avoid some 
of the tools you have been using to do this.

-	We are working "with" other systems, as opposed to "invented here"

-	There are other services Gmail offers that might enhance the experience.

It seems to me that the process of retrieving a message is blocking, 
or otherwise synchronous. On a crappy connection that process may 
have to do some retransmits, or may be slowed down for other reasons. 
The solution is to make the retrieval of a message asynchronous, 
and then just sync during the local update once the message is retrieved.

Yes, I serve as back up for Gregg.


Henrik, if you are asking "who can people contact" as in send an 
Email, I don't know...  this is why I want  to unify the REBOL ML 
on Google Groups.  Then someone can post in the ML, and anyone who 
happens to see it can post it here.


The option is the way we do it now, which is if someone contacts 
anyone already in here, they tell us in Accounts, and we create an 
account because that person is vouching for them.

Does that answer your question?

Until an AltME built on REBOL 3 comes out, it will have to do.

Today I tried to run start two altme servers. I want to try to get 
some guys hooked. I would like to state, that I am semi experienced 
(still not guru) networking guy, and I do run wi-fi network with 
30+ routers for 420 customers, so not novice.

So what do I think AltME id doing wrong, or at least not making life 
to admins easy? There is no problem for me to to open ports on FW. 
This is not about opening ports only, but precisely speaking it is 
about setting DST-NAT to your target PC on internal network:


1) AltME records your internal IP adress when setting up your world. 
Don't even try to run it on different PC in your internal network. 
Even if you have all ports OK, this one thing will ruin all your 
efforts. Dunno if it adds to any kind of security, but in my eyes 
it is completly unnecessary obstacle. But maybe it is usefull when 
running altme servers fully on your local network, so that AltME 
"DNS" can direct your local clients to correct internal altme server. 
I can live easily with this one, but ...


2) Today I created new world. No matter how you try, it always registers 
AltME world on port 5400. There is no ability to set it differently.


3) Even if you start altme -s "my-world" -p 5401, it will not help 
you, and it still opens the world on port 5400 (at least that is 
what I saw with netstat -an), which is imo a bug


4) even if you change \servers\my-world\info, still no luck. When 
you go to http://www.altme.com/cgi-bin/lookup.cgiand you type-in 
your world name, you still can see, that AltME.com has registered 
5400 port, but not e.g. 5401


5) even if you run your altme -s "my-world" -p 5401, and even if 
you send your client to 5401 port by changing \worlds\my-world\config.txt, 
you still has no lack. It is apparent, that no matter how your client 
is instructed, it takes info from altme.com for granted, and overrides 
your local settings, which can be proven by 6)


6) Running two worlds - my-world on 5400 and my-world1 on 5401 (names 
obfuscated here), I found out, that Altme client does not care of 
Altme server name at all. That can be proven by typing my-world1 
and using account from my-world, you are succesfully logged in to 
my-world, instead of my-world1, as client obtains port 5400 instead 
of 5401


I have one and only one question - how can I change my world port 
number on altme.com, or in other worlds - how do I REGISTER world 
on different than 5400 port? :-)

I finally gave up and resolved myself to only host one world.  Seems 
to have remedied the problem, although I still have occasional world 
name drops.  The other problem I had is it would not allow me to 
connect to my world, and when 'restarting' the world, it would say 
my world name is in use, thus forcing me to change my world-name 
and asking my users to do the same when trying to connect.  Luckily 
it was just for family, so they did it without complaining.

Thanks. I waited a couple of days an now it is fine (4 worlds running). 
Since I didn't do anything on my side I'm wondering if the Altme 
server has something to do with it. Who knows? I'm just glad it works 
now : )

Some observations for Reichart on making ALTME more viral.

1.  Host all worlds for free but unsecured.
2.  Tier packages
3.  Enable one click access from external sites to ALTME worlds
4.  Ads Tier


1)  Regarding #1 - I think if you host all ALTME worlds for free 
that people will sign up quickly.  What would drive someone to fork 
over the cash is going to be traffic.  I can bet that once someone 
starts getting traffic to their world and generating content they 
are going to want to keep it.  ALTME owns the content of the worlds 
until someone secures it with payment for the hosting account.  (Major 
incentive that rewards growth).


2) Make product tiers that  target hosting accounts towards gaining 
income and visibility for their hosted safeworlds.


3) Think of going to a website and it says something like JOIN the 
DISCUSSION and then says click here and has a small ALTME logo that 
launches you into ALTME and then takes you directly to the particular 
safeworld.  and if someone doesn't it have it - it takes you to ALTME 
download link.  Almost all other messaging mediums have this capability.


4) This is an excellent idea to compliment number 2.  One tier that 
can be offers for additional costs would allow ADVERTISEMENTS within 
the safeworld framework.  For example, consider many online forums 
generate revunue from Google Adsense by placement of ads in their 
content.  ALTME could offer this type of capability as well.  This 
is really an area where I think that REBOL can get great exposure. 
 If advertisements are required to be put forward in REBOL code this 
means that Google would have to have REBOL programmers develop delivery 
content to interface with ALTME.  I have no doubt in my mind that 
they would do it.  ALTME can boast that it has www.rebol.com as a 
marketing partner and REBOL.com according to marketleap.com is a 
"contender" class website showing that ALTME can get the word out 
if it really wants to.

is it logical to group altme users and groups inside the same control 
as they are different entities and things such as status do not seem 
to apply equally?  I understand that they are treated as 'personal/private' 
chat groups but the users seem to fill a dual role here.

Pekr, do you know if it was running under port 5400 or not?  Was 
it your ownly world you had running?  If so, you should be able to 
register the same name and all will be well again.  This happens 
to me many times per year.  It's more complicated if you have more 
servers as you have to re-create them in the order of the port they 
were using.

I need to get ALTME working behind a firewall - what ports do I need 
to allow traffic thru?

Cool, but others do, which is why they post a "."  Perhaps we can 
lock in on how to reproduce it.

Well, I'll do my best to help them first...

So you don't want to debug with customers, yet you expect information? 
:-) Well, everything was said already. Our world was not available 
for something like 24 hours or less. When I was trying to connect 
to the world, I got message "the world does not exist". Then I checked 
via altme.com/check.html, and the site confirmed the name is available, 
hence expired. I guess I can't do more on my side ....

I can also take account requests via email, but am also happy to 
share the wealth and let Petr do that if he wants. :-)

I got it to work on a different port.

On windows you do not seem to need to declare the port like on linux.
Windows opens multiple worlds from the gui

Beer pressure does work.... that is how I ask contractors to do things. 
 I call them over, and as I ask them to make changes, I pull out 
the ice from the bag, pull all the beer out of the boxes, and put 
it all in the cooler.  But the time I'm done talking it is all set 
up, and by the time they are done working, the beer is ice cold!


Graham, yes, great idea.  This is a model we have used in game rooms. 
 


It would be interesting in this context to see how people help each 
other.  I suspect it "might" be a zero sum game.  There are people 
that regardless of the facts simply help the underdog.    It is why 
so many hard criminals attract women from the outside.  


I have not seen anything like this though in Qtask.  I think the 
fact that you upload your picture makes you a little more "accountable", 
and that a moderator can kick you out.  Slashdot's system works pretty 
well, it might be fun to play with that more too.

I own REBOLCentral.org.  I'm going to let it lapse unless anyone 
thinks we should do something with it.

Many donate, but that is besides the point.

I own a lot of domain names, and many we simply forward to "somewhere". 
 Personal stuff I tend to forward to JWOW.


The big question is, do we keep this domain.  I will release if no 
one wants to use it.  Otherwise I will pay to keep it and donate 
it to anyone here who has a good use for it (and WILL use it).

Several people have now posted to me privately that they would like 
to do something with it, which is cool, I will keep it for them...

do you own the Jesuswalksonwater domain?  And if so, do you use the 
donations to fund rebol development?  :)

I do own JWOW, I do not use the donation for REBOL development, the 
only connection they have is we route all domains to one place.

I am aware what I said and with what attitude. I am used to be direct 
and stright, and I know that some ppl might have problem with my 
behavior. I got to such "state" with the work overload, which is 
not good, I know. But the less time I have, the faster I need to 
make my decisions, not having time for BS. So - your REBOL related 
domain redirection is really a bad move, no matter what. I do remember, 
how Amiga Inc. tried to protect their TM, so I wonder what would 
Carl say to above mentioned link. As a joke - OK, but other than 
that, I would not do it myself, from various reasons. And that is 
what I expect from others ...

Pekr, don't defend yourself, you are simply one of those people that 
justifies abhorrent behavior, 


And, of course we disagree, the more sites that refer to REBOL, and 
the more sites that can be used to direct people the better.  


And AGAIN, this has nothing to do with the link redirector, but rather 
the link itself.  And this has nothing to do with asking "daddy" 
his thoughts, it has to do with the link itself, it has nothing to 
do with some grand scheme.  You seem to "often" miss the issue on 
the table, and get sidetracked by some shiny object.

Reichart - and as for abbhorent behaviour. Interesting thing is, 
that ppl I work with, are never facing anything abhorrent. Some ppl 
(is it US specific?) are not used to "pressure" or how to call it. 
E.g. we are here in CZ used to look into one's eyes, ask private 
questions, whereas I believe in US it would not be appropriate, because 
you enter someone's "private zone". When few of us from CZ were at 
yoga training camp, we asked them some questions, and they felt offended, 
that we don't have right to ask for anything which could be regarded 
being a private matter. It took some time for them to understand 
it. One manager which taught me once told me - you can be harsh, 
you can fight - but don't fight ppl, fight arguments. And when I 
said that I regard something a blatant lie, it has nothing to do 
with you personally ...

Pekr, again........................we are not talking about the same 
thing (yeha, I have no problem with what you are describing here, 
this has nothing to do with what I've written above).


Paul, I could care less what Carl thinks, but please, go discuss 
it with him, not me.

BrianH, do you really want to get in a discussion about Jesus with 
me?

Today I got chance to test our theories, that if you want to register 
another world on the same PC, you have to have prior worlds running. 
So our current world is running, and I started altme, and tried to 
register another one, but it apparently gets assigned the same 5400 
port once again :-( What should I do to properly register new world 
to the different port?

Nothing to do with router imo. There is DST nat on our main router. 
There are two rules, - one for 5400 port, another one (copy) for 
5401 port. As I don't know Altme internals, can't say which side 
decides, what port to register at altme.com.

This is why I keep asking you guys to post in Feedback, because that 
is automated, ensures everything is captured, and although updates 
comes slowly, he does do them in the order there.

My server that runs on 5403 works fine, but 5400, 5401 and 5402 I 
cannot get to work.  Anyone know a way to redo the worlds without 
losing the current information to get these 3 working?  Do I need 
to buy a computer or VM for each world served?

Hmmn, not sure how to make sense of it, My local machined do connect, 
BTW, within my own office space.  But the AltME check fails on 3 
of them, and I can't reach them outside the firewall.  But Paul, 
on your TcpView thingamajig, I see 5400, 5401, 5402, and 5503 ports 
open, but the process names are unclear which is which.  I guess 
I have to bring them up one at a time while watching, and turn all 
other net stuff off

Do you have another machine you can attempt to connect to those processes 
from?  Maybe use REBOL to do an open tcp://youraltmeserver:port to 
test connectivety

OK, I had 4 worlds, and I was trying the Brock hack, and generated 
a 5th to do a move of one world which would go to 5404, and it shows 
up happy on the  checkpage.


BUT...when I tried a 6th one, I got a crazy message saying that there 
had been too many worlds generated recently, so it wouldn't let me 
make the 6th one. (guess it is supposed to take seven DAYS to create 
a world, and I am trying to take 7 minutes, like the talk I gave 
at DevCon2004 ;-)

Has anyone built a script to do calendar email notifications from 
the AltME calendar?

Is it just me .. but i'm getting disconnected frequently from this 
world ... nothing to do with Google's woes I hope!

Experimental goodie asked for by Graham.....Ability to execute code 
included in posts in this world.
eg to execute this script:
   http://www.rebol.org/aga-display-posts.r?post=r3wp210x509
Do this in a console:
  do http://www.rebol.org/aga-do-post.r?post=r3wp210x509

The sync bug is a very old one.
Possible partial solutions:

-- leave world running for  a long time....some groups then resync 
if a message is posted to them

-- change your message limit, and then do a search for a fairly common 
word

-- send a message (just a dot is the convention) to every group you 
want to resync
-- delete all messages and restart the world.


http://www.rebol.org/aga-display-posts.r?offset=-1&post=r3wp151x920

instead of . can't they say "I'm interrested by the subject what's 
up ?" or "I like wht your doing any news" I mean when u cross someone 
in the streets you don't "." him. Or ys you do that ? I mean if you 
want the debat to live you have to apport  to it you have some how 
to participate.

Plus this is a place I choose to speak about rebol and work with 
people around rebol not a place to speak about my religion or if 
I do love with man or woman etc...  personal life is personal and 
that's not the place to expose it to us you can do that everwhere 
else on the net so please not here.

one day I will do rVi just to annoys you all :P

because he expect selling it alot ? well he is from the big compagny 
way of thinking the software ... and i'm from the garage way of thinking 
the software you want to use it grab it you want to modify it do 
it. I mean having the will to use my creation and to enhance them 
comming from you is I satisfaction no monney can bring me ^^

Ok, my real question is ... do you think IRC is a good support mechanism 
to build into software?

( In IA class i made a bot that could stand a conversation  lol when 
i presented that project my professor was dead laughing but after 
explaining the concept behind he was like hoooo that's great try 
to do it ...)

do thru to launch it

anyway, someone should do some testing to see what the limits are 
for concurrent viable connections for  a rebol based chat server

hum... wouldn't you, like, be the best person to do those tests  
 ;-)

That's kind of what I thought I would do but the attraction of the 
ability to form private groups is too great not to take the initial 
risk. I can form new policies later if problems occur. 

I just want to be able to restore a group or groups in the event 
of...

Response from FT to feedback message:
<Rebooted it. Let's see what happens.>

Not sure if that means the server or the AltME process.....But things 
do seem better.

I hate Vista....

Anyone else have this prob:


Using altme to share many files. I see them in altme but they do 
not exist in the proper altme file folder.


From what I've gathered Vista with UAC enabled (default) does not 
allow programs that do not comply with their new security API to 
write to certain folders such as "program files" whrere Altme is 
installed.


So if I try to open it with notepad, notpad can not see it as it 
does not really exist in that folder that altme tells notpads that 
its in. Vista re-routes altme to the "safe" location without altme 
knowing this.

Anyone have a work around...


I could turn off UAC but that is suppose to be bad (security reasons).


I guess I could move altme to a non secure folder (not sure what 
that would be? I think the Desktop has the same issues...
maybe just C:??

I'm trying to start an altme world from a desktop shortcut icon using 
the target : "c:\Program Files\altme\altme.exe" -s "my world"'-p 
5401


It seems to start the server as I get the little server window stating 
the name of the world and # of users total and online...

But I can not connect to the world.


Is it somekind of port problem or can you just not do this with the 
regular version of altme.


I get alot of brownouts and I would like to place the shortcut in 
my startup drawer to auto strat the world....

Do you think it would make sense to implement few AltME enhancements, 
which would not alter its messaging layer, but could help to make 
our lifes easier? Some few months ago I contacted Carl, and he was 
willing to post particular code sections for related areas. I read 
also some 2005 list, and picking from (apparently easy to fix) bugs/enhancements:

- DeRED - mark everything read
- fix URL display bug
- fix proxy
- fix msg loss during reconnect .... (might be more complex)


I just don't know, if it is good to bother Carl with those issues 
right now, when R3 is heading towards beta and we need to concentrate 
on it ...

Moderators currently have no ability to do that.
 

REBOL.org can blank posts on its archive, if requested with a good 
reason:
http://www.rebol.org/aga-groups-index.r?world=r3wp

These guys have been working on this for two years! WIth google resources? 
I guess ity takes a long time to make these thypes of apps when you 
are wedging technology not really ment to do it.

I'm not that impressed...(18 min. in to preseentation anyway...

So - do we move to Wave now, as apparently the rest of the world 
sucks? :-)

Yeah I'm sure it's just a false positive, I wasn't concerned or anything. 
I use Windows only for playing games, it doesn't have access to any 
important files and I use sandboxie for stuff I'm not sure about. 
Before MSE I used AntiVir and that one does report even more false 
positives, pretty annoying. Usually a company can contact anti virus 
software companies about these false positives in their products, 
do you know by any chance if that was done for REBOL in the past?
And thanks for the info about the file/group mapping :)

But I lost some messages on one of the computers, i use to access 
AltMe. 

And I don't mean the common bug, that I do net get the recent messages.

AFAIK, it was a network problem, not a software problem, so the size 
of the world has nothing to do with it.

Chrome works like AltME and works just fine with the Windows 2000 
security model. It does this by putting the program and its files 
in the local settings directory, then checking it before running. 
MySpace IM used to do this to allow students to load the program 
onto half-locked-down computers at their schools without getting 
permission from the admins (I was one such admin, so this was annoying), 
but Chrome seems to be much less of a security hole. AltME could 
quite easily work the same way.

the code with the do load mold... is supposed to insert a new object 
at the path position if the current value at that point is 'none. 
I removed some of that "if none?" logic for clarity.

yes. an example could be if rel-obj was empty:

add-relation [users male "Joe"]
add-relation [users female "Jenny"]

later on, when you look it up, it's supposed to look like:

get-relation [users]
== [male female]
get-relation [users male]
== ["Joe"]

You can go deep:

add-relation [users male "Joe" age-group "Senior"]

And you can do reverse relations:

add-relation [age-group "Senior" users "Joe"]

>> obj: none
== none
>> path: [obj]
== [obj]
>> code: reduce [to-set-path path 'make to-path path [new: 123]]
== [obj: make obj [new: 123]]
>> print code/1/1 = 'obj
true
>> ?? code
code: [obj: make obj [new: 123]]
== [obj: make obj [new: 123]]
>> do code
== none ; <-- what a strange result !
>> ?? obj
obj: none

obj: make object! []
path: [obj]
code: reduce [to-set-path path 'make to-path path [new: 123]]
print code/1/1 = 'obj
?? code
do code
?? obj

I do error? try [date: to-date date]