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http://development.syllable.org/news/2012-03-14-20-30-RedSystem-bindings-with-C-cURL-SDL-SQLite.html

Well, some progress! I changed atexit to __cxa_atexit and now I can 
run cURL test (with "Couldn't resolve host name" error). Mandelbrot 
and Fibonacci tests from C-library examples give me "Illegal instruction" 
error.

The last info was that there are still bugs remaining in Red on ARM 
to get the bindings working, so that's probably the problem with 
cURL

All I know is that you didn't get cURL and GTK working on ARM Debian

Yep, GTK, not so far, cURL, I don't remember, will need to test it 
again.

No, I think Kaj produced a Curl binding for https

Henrik: something that works. I don't know what you want to use SSL/SSH 
for, but Red/System has a cURL binding. cURL usually uses OpenSSL 
and does most things you would want to do with SSL and SSH

Kaj - the last thing I want is to have to distribute Curl with each 
Red script. How big is the Curl library? Even tens of KB is too much 
.....

cURL is included in almost all open source based operating systems, 
including OS X

Not really, but for the cURL binding you could refer to my documentation 
for the R3 binding:

Actually, the 0MQ docs there include a guide for Red/System, but 
the cURL docs include programming documentation

Kaj wrapped some libraries, maybe those cover some ground there, 
e.g. Curl binding allows you to work with networking:

http://www.red-lang.org/p/contributions_20.html

cURL example script still crashing...

Ok, it seems we'll have to return to an explicit callback declaring 
syntax. In cURL, the callbacks passing (get-word! syntax) occur after 
the callback declaration, so when the compiler is creating the callback 
prolog, it has no way to guess that this particular function will 
be used as callback later....

When I put one of the cURL callbacks behind the function that uses 
it, the code size increases by four bytes, even for Intel. But when 
I then remove the [cdecl] it goes back to the original size

cURL binding should now work correctly (except the ending segfault 
caused by bad libc init call...I'm working on it).

Both cURL and SDL audio test are now working fine on my RPi.

The host name resolving is the same problem I had with cURL. Now 
that I know it's on other Windows', too, I'll try more libcurl binaries

I tried different versions of cURL on Windows 7, but read-we-page 
is still unable to reiolve the URL

cURL works from the prompt, so Windows is doing something awkward 
that keeps my Red/System program from working

I can run the Windows executables under WINE on Linux. Oddly, cURL 
and SDL sound work there, so for now I'll blame Windows 7 for their 
failure there

There's also standard input for Red there. Further, there's a wrapper 
for full-file I/O for both Red and Red/System that includes network 
I/O through the cURL binding:

Kaj, now that I've had a chance to do some work with Red/System, 
it's amazing to me how much work you've already done on adding features!


Here's something that I think would really help out a lot of us who 
want to make use of all your hard work.  Would it be hard to create 
http://red.esperconsultancy.nl/index.htmlwith a link to all the 
Red stuff you've done?  The only way I found what I needed to download 
was by searching through AltME for links, and had to manually enter 
in things like Red-common, Red-C-library, Red-cURL, Red-GTK, etc.

I could have used you in the past week, but I just fixed cURL networking 
on Windows, after setting up a Windows installation for the first 
time in almost a decade

While we're at it, I would really like you to confirm the availability 
and name of the cURL library, which I have penciled in as libcurl.dylib

Anyway, you can read/write including networking with Kaj's cURL binding 
already, but not to do something basic like 1.1 + 2.2 yet

I don't care about Curl, I regard it being an interim solution. Any 
REBOL-like language has to support what makes REBOL being a REBOL 
in a first place. And one of its concepts is abstracted interfacing 
- ports, schemes, that it :-)

The apps you see in your Applications use all sorts of Unix infrastructure 
underneath, such as the cURL library, Ruby language and Git tool 
you just found

Yes, and a cURL binding for network files

And Doc himself claims from very beginning, that R/S is mostly for 
integrators, as you are. Most ppl will look into Red, and find such 
features missing. I am really not interested into some Curl binding, 
I want Rebol level ports, etc. based networking. So our milleage 
might vary ...

directories under red.esperconsultancy.nl are according to the script 
download.r:

test common C-library cURL ZeroMQ-binding REBOL-3 Java SQLite SDL 
OpenGL GLib GTK GTK-WebKit OSM-GPS-Map GTK-Champlain 6502

I copied my list from my browser address field history. Should have 
noticed GLib (first I had tried GLIB and found nothing) was the one 
you asked for.

http://development.syllable.org/news/2012-03-14-20-30-RedSystem-bindings-with-C-cURL-SDL-SQLite.html

http://www.osnews.com/story/25716/Syllable_gets_Red_System_bindings_with_C_cURL_SDL_SQLite

For testing some of the bindings, here is information where to get 
the C, cURL and 0MQ libraries:

I've added Windows binaries for most dependency libraries to the 
above Red test program collection: cURL, SQLite, 0MQ, SDL and GTK 
and dependencies. With that, it becomes very easy to test them on 
Windows

I'm particularly interested in results for MSDOS/RedSystem/read-web-page 
and play-SDL-WAV. I haven't been able to use cURL to read a web page 
yet, and playing sample.wav appears in the Windows 7 mixer, but I 
haven't had audible sound yet

I moved the cURL and 0MQ bindings for Red/System into CONTEXTs. If 
you have written code on top of it, you need to adapt the interface.

I added support for URLs to READ and WRITE for Red, using the cURL 
library:
http://red.esperconsultancy.nl/Red-common/dir?ci=tip


Red can now read and write text files over the network. The same 
functionality is available for Red/System as READ and WRITE-STRING.


I've updated the console-pro interpreter in */Red/ with the new functionality:
http://red.esperconsultancy.nl/Red-test/dir?ci=tip

You need to have the cURL library available.

This is not really a Red binding for the cURL library yet. I didn't 
have to add any Red code, because the extra functionality is handled 
in the corresponding Red/System functions, so it's supported at both 
levels

All network protocols are available that cURL on your system supports:
http://curl.haxx.se/libcurl/

I fixed the bug that was breaking cURL networking on Windows:

http://red.esperconsultancy.nl/Red-cURL/dir?ci=tip


I've updated the binaries. This fixes READ in common/input-output, 
console-pro, GTK-text-editor, GTK-browser and RedSystem/read-web-page:

http://red.esperconsultancy.nl/Red-test/dir?ci=tip&name=MSDOS


The binaries for all platforms include the latest Red enhancements, 
particularly support in the interpreter for function creation at 
runtime and execution of those functions that are not compiled and 
thus only have source available. This enhances console-pro, GTK-IDE 
and GTK-browser:

http://red.esperconsultancy.nl/Red-test/dir?ci=tip

Because the Red compiler doesn't support preprocessor conditionals, 
I have split console-pro into red, red-core and red-base, to be able 
to supply different functionality per platform:


http://red.esperconsultancy.nl/Red-common/dir?ci=tip&name=examples

They each include different extra bindings:
red-base: ANSI C library, cURL
red-core: red-base + SQLite
red: red-core + GTK+


I've updated the test binaries. Different versions of the red console 
are supplied for different platforms:

http://red.esperconsultancy.nl/Red-test/dir?ci=tip


I rewrote the multi-line parsing in the console to be more accurate 
and straightforward.

The ReadLine library is available for Android, but hard to install, 
so I made an attempt to build a red console for Android that doesn't 
use it. I have no idea if it works, so I would really like someone 
to test it:


http://red.esperconsultancy.nl/Red-test/doc/trunk/Android/Red/red-core


There may also be issues with the paths to the cURL and SQLite libraries. 
They should be included in Android, but if the paths are different, 
I would like to know that, too. Remember Doc's blog about how to 
start Red executables on Android:

http://www.red-lang.org/2011/12/arm-support-released.html

I used the new encoding functions in all my Red bindings: those for 
the C library, input/output via files and cURL, 0MQ, SQLite and GTK+. 
In as many places as possible, data marshalled to the external libraries 
now supports UTF-8. File names on Windows support Latin-1. Files 
and URLs are always read and written as UTF-8, including on Windows. 
Red does not support loading Latin-1 strings.

I dropped the cURL dependency from my red-base distribution. This 
means that it now only depends on a few libraries that can be expected 
to be included in all platforms. This version of the Red interpreter 
can now be used on Windows as a single executable, without any extra 
libraries. The Windows version red-base.exe is here:

http://red.esperconsultancy.nl/Red-test/dir?ci=tip&name=MSDOS/Red


It has versions of READ and WRITE for local file I/O, but no network 
I/O. It also has the other functionality from the C library, such 
as INPUT, ASK, GET-ENV, CALL, NOW and RANDOM, but for more functionality 
you still have to use red-core and red, and download the extra libraries 
for Windows.

For relevant platforms, I added extra versions of my Red interpreter 
console distributions to my downloads:

http://red.esperconsultancy.nl/Red-test/dir?ci=tip


They provide versions that include my 0MQ binding for messaging. 
Previous interpreter distributions didn't include it, because on 
most platforms, you have to install the 0MQ library as an extra. 
Further, people may need 0MQ with the GTK+ GUI binding, or without 
it on servers and embedded systems. So there are two new distributions 
in each platform folder:

*/Red/red-core-message
*/Red/red-message


red-core-message is meant for servers and includes bindings for the 
C library, cURL, SQLite and 0MQ. In addition, red-message also includes 
the GTK binding and is meant for GUI programs. For Windows, most 
of these interpreters are in the MSDOS/Red/ folder, but I also added 
a version that is meant to start scripts for GUI programs, so it 
doesn't open an extra console window:

Windows/Red/red-message.exe

New World alpha release at
https://github.com/Geomol/World


- Added better networking using cURL library, libcurl (OS X and Linux)
- Added tasks incl.:
	- task! datatype
	- task-id! datatype
	- TASKS native function
	- task? and task-id? mezzanines

 - Task support for many functions incl. HELP, SOURCE, FIRST, SECOND, 
 PICK, COMPILED? and DISASM
	- KILL mezzanine to call TASKS/KILL

- Added inter-task communication using SEND and RECEIVE native functions
- Added support for messages to WAIT as: wait 'message

- Added preemptive multitasking using TASKS/TICKS to specify number 
of Virtual Machine instructions per task run (default is 200)

- Added timers for tasks triggered by WAIT native and READ native, 
when reading from url
- Task yield can be achieved by: wait 0
- Changed ;{ } comment syntax to ;( )
- Parens can now span several lines at the prompt
- Added system/console/paren
- Added support for pressing <Esc> to stop execution of main task

- Sending input via pipe to World started with a script will activate 
input without echo and without <tab>-completion etc.. (Not sure how 
and if this works under Windows.)
- Added support for picking 'Re and 'Im of complex numbers
- Better implementation of TRY

- New test versions of IF and EITHER, that can take other than block! 
arguments
- Added more tests

So, would this mean that you maintain eg. the one curl binding for 
red/system and then also use the same for R3 ?

Yes, I want to rebase my cURL and 0MQ extensions on the Red bindings

If you're using R3 or Red/System, you could use the cURL binding 
in multi-mode

I execute the following line and capture the HTTP packets using Capsa 
(or wireshark) I don't see any header information in the packets 
sent:
read/custom http://moldibi.com[header "X-hello:1"]


but when I run curl with same parameters, I can see the extra header 
information,
curl http://moldibi.com-H "X-hello:1"


does it mean I cannot add extra header information using REBOL or 
am I doing something wrong? (I'm using R2/View)

I think you should use cURL binding for R3.

thanks graham. 
endo - looking at cURL...thanks for the pointer

>> import %./cURL-binding.so

** access error: cannot open: %./cURL-binding.so reason: "not found 
or not valid"

i think so graham - did a yum install curl

and i can curl http://google.comfine

Here you can find some info:
http://rebol.esperconsultancy.nl/extensions/cURL/

>> import %./cURL-binding.so

** access error: cannot open: %./cURL-binding.so reason: "not found 
or not valid"

Sujoy, I've also had problems loading my cURL extension library

If all else fails, you need to compile the cURL extension on your 
system from the C source code

Also, the cURL binding for R3

The situation is the same for Red. Kaj or anyone other maight claim, 
that we have CURL networking. But for me, that is not the REBOL I 
want. I want port/schemes abstraction, period, or it is not REBOL 
like environment for me. It does the job, but so does ASP .net. You 
are one of the top developers for R3. I want you to know my opinion 
(maybe I am alone feeling that way, and that is fair enough), so 
- let's use what defined REBOL - ports as an abstraction mechanism, 
schemes upon that, etc.

R3 extension will open the door to many usefull extensions now. We 
should collect the current status of existing extensions and of course
new ones we like to see. 
Quick check on current extensions (lib based) :
cURL, ZMQ, ODBC, FMOD, IMagick...


Another area is what is the best practice to create and maintain 
embedded extensions, how to integrate a dynamic built for this how 
to organize the source tree.

Currently I am working on a embedded cgi extension as a testcase, 
this will lead also into questions like: mezz or native, embedded 
or lib?

Extensions on my list:
CGI, JSON, POSIX, PCRE and some math libs.

re: comments in 'core' on the plague of MI ...

multiple inheritance works rather nicely in Curl since you are required 
to provide 'secondary'  constructors - I prefer prototype-based with 
an option for class hierarchies, personally ( try experimenting with 
Logtalk if you can find time ).  I am watching Io, the language, 
evolve as Rebol3 emerges: what is interesting to me is that I ask 
'But is that Oz ?' in Oz. ( which is multi-paradigm )  I used to 
hear a lot of 'getting it' about Prolog and Smalltalk.  After almost 
2 decades in both, I think many of them "didn't get it" ( class hierarchy 
obsessed, as ST purists are/were ).  Ruby is so much like Smalltalk 
that I am quite enjoying watching Groovy play catch-up with Ruby 

Most issues in Rebol have a parallel in Javascript; where ( for the 
neophyte) experiments with 
	typeof

in a console is about the only way for the average developer  to 
'get  it' given
	d1 = Date  // now you use d1 as a function d1()
	d2 = Date()   // d2 is a string that looks like a number   

 d3 = new Date() // d3 is an object but it is UTC but it is presented 
 local time but it is compared UTC .... 
or
	s1 = "string"
	s2 = String("string")
	s3 = new String('string')

 s3[1] = 6   // s3 is an object, as typeof of reveals; String 'equality' 
 in JavaScript even with === is no end of grief  and  for what convenience 
 ?
	s3["size"] = 6
or
	a1 = Array(42)
	a2 = new Array(42)

I think the latter 2 show just how rushed LiveScript was pushed/forced 
out to market as "LavaScript" before the Sun "StrongTalk" folks had 
much influence on the Netscape folks ....  Rebol3 is in better hands 
than 'ActionScrtpt'  as it drifts into classes - because it is being 
kept 'in hand''

The changes in Groovy as it complied with the JSR for Java scripting 
are interesting ( Groovy is almost neat as Rebol would be if it were 
confined to, say, living on  top of VisualBasic ;-)  Now to avoid 
'Rebol on Rails' ...

I think some people who adopted Spring to cope with Java would appreciate 
Rebol ( there, too, you have to 'get it ' )

 MySubClassObject.prototype = new MyParentClassObject()   // now go 
 mess with THAT object before it is useful ...
	// ...

 MySubClassObject.prototype.superclass = MyParentClass  // to fake 
 having a superclass other than Object
cannot be much easier to "get" than anything about Rebol
	use    ; now mostly use /local
and

 bind   ; modifies the block it is passed; use COPY refinement to 
 preclude this side-effect

Smalltalk80 was like "Rebol4" as compared to the first passes at 
an O-O language ...  someone who actually understands Smalltalk contexts/blocks 
and JavaScript should 'get it' with Rebol ( some of those people 
are using Seaside with Squeak, Dolphin and/or VisualWorks ST )

  my 2 cents:  a1 should have been an array of fixed size and only 
  a2 should be a Vector object

I meant that I don't much ask ''But is that Oz?" the way we ask "but 
is that "Rebol?" or "But would that be Rebol?"  It comes from my 
aversion to the questions/attacks of  purists who insisted that Turbo 
Prolog was not really a PROLOG.  Neither is what Prolog became (Prologia 
IV)

The Slate team for Smalltalk3 ( if you think of JavaScript as Smalltalk2 
 [heresy] ) now have Self and Strongtalk to look over with 15+ years 
of hindsight.
It appears to have slowed them down a lot.

I can't wait to get my hands on that Rebol3 beta ...

PS  if you don't think JavaScript was Smalltalk2, just look at Io, 
the language ;-)

PPS  the author of CTM was probably asking himself "But will they 
see that this is not Oz? " with every chapter (Peter Van Roy,  'Concepts, 
Techniques and Models of CP', MIT Press) - the O-O chapter is arguably 
the worst flaw in a fine MIT intro book - unless it is the flaw of 
totally ignoring JavaScript as a functional prototype-based lang. 
( and I don't recall mention of Curl or Rebol )

Another language evolving: Cecil into Diesel

; the error from trying
>>  n: print mold m
; natually leads to
help print
; and since this fails
p: write %tmp.txt :anything"
; with
help write

; we get to clarify binding words to values, functions, procedures 
 evaluation and returned values

; I hope to get tutorials prepared for OCaml and Scheme as well as 
Haskell and Curl, Perl, Python, Ruby and Smalltalk based on my experience 
as a newbie while I am still a newbie ...

ODE
so I though mebbe
;{
 which would only end at a
;}
as }; will not do ...
To take a page from Snobol

  both would have to be unindented, i.e., occupy first and second char 
  of the line

I live in curly-brace land in CURL and a missing brace becomes a 
headache even in a editor with a scroll-u-there brace-matcher

It does mean messing with the shift key which is un-rebolish
But I can't see suggesting
;[
block-comment code falls in here
;]
In CURL we have tag-matching using
|tag-this#
there will not be a duplicate tag until we reach
#tagthis|
|| where |# until #| are vulnerable

|| I ask developer sto single line comment with double-bars but someone 
has to use
|# multi-line comment on a single line to show they know how #|

I tried my cURL binding on Syllable Desktop and it just worked

We introduced and handed out a sneak preview of our new Syllable 
Desktop live CD, introduced the REBOL 3 cURL binding and went through 
our planned demonstration of setting up a website provider on Syllable 
Server, running on Cheyenne, making a website on Desktop with my 
REBOL CMS, building it with REBOL 3 and uploading it to Server with 
the cURL binding, with a short demo of the graphical version of Syllable 
Server thrown in

The development build lacks some parts, though. Most notably cURL, 
so that the Webster browser doesn't work

REBOL 3 is now in there, as on the live CD, including my cURL binding. 
I upgraded Boron to the latest version. ORCA is also still in there, 
for the Syllable package manager. I also added Fossil and many other 
components

Yeah, I remember some tips you contributed to the rebolzine on posting 
to web forms, way back... Anyway, I think I won't tinker with the 
http scheme, kinda dpressing thought, especially since I have great 
hopes to achieve what I need using curl and the shell capability 
of Rebol. Let curl do that work, afte r all, that's what' it's meant 
to do best.

And the good news is: curl does it flawlessly. I just saved myself 
two weeks of headaches. I am a reboller, but not a purist, if I find 
a better tool to do something, that's cool with me.

In this context I am not going to offer the Curl examples for DSL 
and pass-the-proc except to say that ... no , I won't say that either 
;-)

Have u tried using curl ?

curl is a command line tool for transferring files with URL syntax, 
supporting FTP, FTPS, HTTP, HTTPS, GOPHER, TELNET, DICT, FILE and 
LDAP. Curl supports HTTPS certificates, HTTP POST, HTTP PUT, FTP 
uploading, HTTP form based upload, proxies, cookies, user+password 
authentication (Basic, Digest, NTLM, Negotiate, kerberos...), file 
transfer resume, proxy tunneling and a busload of other useful tricks.

Graham, any relation to the other Curl language/platform?  http://www.curl.com/

Completely different.  I think we discussed www.curl.com on the mailing 
list many years ago.  Someone was saying that they had a proposition 
for View to do a job, but it ended up being done by Curl.

There was discussion way back in 1991 http://www.rebol.org/cgi-bin/cgiwrap/rebol/ml-display-thread.r?m=rmlXQTK
about Curl, and the 30Mb download required.

Petr, I think you need to take a look into curl stuff for this.

Curl NITRO is now beta at http://www.curl.comwill be welcoming languages 
other than just Curl.  Expect a relaxed RTE license soon. Like Rebol3, 
Curl is now on  track to only have the core remain proprietary.  
Pekr:  think Rebol on the Surge RTE  AKA Nitro !

Robert - Curl is our competition - why should we be happy about it, 
if noone from us here has any intention into using it? The good thing 
is, that I am chief of IT here, so I never let tools like that to 
let-in :-)

I launched the Aule Browser today at http://www.logiquewerks.com/aule-browser/index.html
   I am also at work on a Qtask browser - but first I have to stop 
tinkering with my Evernote SSB  (you need to tolerate the Curl runtime 
to view my stuff )

Can you transform to Curl 5.0 instead ( http://www.curl.com) ?  
Or write a Curl macro to start  the task ?  I have a few curl notes 
at eclectic-pencil and eclectic-pencil.blogspot.com  ( I work in 
Curl at a s/w co.  servicing web browser needs of F500 + int'l ) 
    The macros  {example    and   {x-example-ref    are the coolest 
    Curl is kinda link Scheme+ Tcl too ... if you have looked at 
Groovy HTML-builder then Curl will look familiar.  The REGEXP is 
Perl-like    Curl is a web-content language in the functional-mold 
rather like a JavaScript with its own RTE.   There is also TiScript 
 ( www.terrainformatica.com  ) and of course XUL for Mozilla ....

The Curl Programming Language is FUN. http://www.curl.com/

Slowness is not the biggest problem of Curl, but pricing is.
Pricing for commercial deployments starts at $12,000.

Anytnig make Curl "Great?"

For writing a RIA research article, I've spent 10 hours studing Curl, 
that didn't make me an expert, but so far:

1. I like the content-centric programming, it's kind of like MakeDoc 
+ RSP + RTF.

2. The macro facility seems powerful, which makes homemade DSL possible, 
I guess.
3. APIs seem complete.
4. The 2D and 3D rendering engine uses hardware-acceleration.
5. It's a Functional Language.
6. Unicode, Yes, even Curl supports Unicode.

Like I said, I am not an expert, so any of the items listed above 
could be wrong. Here is a DDJ article http://www.ddj.com/dept/architect/184413224

The Curl doc is not in HTML/PDF formats. It's a Curl Applet itself. 
After downloading and Installing the Curl IDE, you'll have the Curl 
document, which is an applet, like I said. You can find some interesting 
2D / 3D Curl applets in the curl.com web site. I am impressed by 
its 2D / 3D ability.

The curl people spammed us a few years ago

CURL has got some good press links at www.curl.com         I am hoping 
to see a CURL presentation as a possible front-end to QTASK  (ducking 
quickly) because of its off-line abilities ( OCC or occasionally-connected 
computing )  I hope the VID3 folks take a look at CURL which I find 
so natural cmpared to TCL and TK ... around Rebolrs maybe CURL should 
be renamed DUCK ...  at least REBOL has a Dummies book out there 
...

RobertS: I think it would be fine to see other interfaces to Qtask, 
maybe we could learn from that too, but you surely can't expect us 
being interested in Curl, can you? :-)

Another RIA platform - Apple's SproutCore. So we have Flash, Silverlight, 
Google, Curl, R3 in the future, and now Apple is entering the game 
with interesting development - 


http://www.roughlydrafted.com/2008/06/14/cocoa-for-windows-flash-killer-sproutcore/


SproutCore not only makes it easy to build real applications for 
the web using menus, toolbars, drag and drop support, and foreign 
language localization, but it also provides a full Model View Controller 
application stack like Rails (and Cocoa), with bindings, key value 
observing, and view controls. It also exposes the latent features 
of JavaScript, including late binding, closures, and lambda functions. 
Developers will also appreciate tools for code documentation generation, 
fixtures, and unit testing.

So, as we just decided to make Curl guys to close the Nitro doors, 
because R3 will be much cooler, the last phase of two months plan 
started just 5 minutes ago - http://www.rebol.com/rebol3/next.html
  .... yes, we are back to VID 3, with prior phases more or less 
finished .... just to let you know ....

Ah, I forgot to provide a smiley to the Curl remark :-)

I am not sure I overestimate it that much. There is several layers 
to my statement. As for the technology and its quality, I can agree 
- REBOL is nice technology. But - from the marketing/adoption side, 
you have some open windows available. The first one was during the 
momentum of REBOL being new. We wasted it greatly. I can see another 
widnow being open, for some year or max two years back - RIA. I do 
remember when I first tried Adobe Air - it was a joke. Attempt at 
non system UI, and they repeated some mistakes of ours. Now we can 
see articles about Flash/Flex, Silverlight, Curl, etc., but no REBOL. 
In 2010 that market will be well established. Mobile players will 
choose their technologies and they will not be able to look back.

It is really important to get R3 out the door in 2008.

I guess I'd better download curl and use that to test with

curl seems to work

curl -k -F upload=@test.ps -F press=OK https://www.compkarori.co.nz/show.cgi