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console :))

If you paste the above code straight into your console, the problem 
is present in the first VIEW as well as the second VIEW.

If you type/paste each line individually into your console, the problem 
is only present after the network access.

Once a console has the problem, it remains "contaminated", and you 
will need to open another console to continue testing.

to me it looks like that the problem happens if there are pending 
characters in the console yet to be read.

I have seen different behaviour from typing in the console and loading 
from a file

for example
>> func: [;  []]
** Syntax Error: Missing ] at end-of-script
** Near: (line 1) func: [;  []]
>>

eg. the descriptive text of rebol 

--

It's a messaging language ` 'rebel' not 'ree-ball' ` code is data 
and data is code ` CGI? Yes ` 40+ platforms ` only 250K-500K ` console 
or GUI ` Yes, just a single file ` commercial versions = same core 
+ ODBC, SSL, and more - shallow learning curve, amazing depth ` keep 
IT simple ` if you liked "The Matrix"...
--


is lengthy and not focus... it also do not need to be at the top 
of every page...maybe it should go below 'About'

Could add/replace some of that with "cross-platform, CGI, console 
and simple GUI dialect etc.."

Back in February (!), Anton wrote:

<<By the way, something that I never really liked is the short rebol 
description at the top of rebol.org.>>

OLD TEXT: <<It's a messaging language. 'rebel' not 'ree-ball'.

 code is data and data is code. CGI? Yes. 40+ platforms. only 250K-500K.

 console or GUI. Yes, just a single file. commercial versions = same 
 core + ODBC, SSL, and more -

 shallow learning curve, amazing depth. keep IT simple. if you liked 
 "The Matrix"...>>

We may be slow, but we get there:   http://www.rebol.org

The banner text has been updated to ready pretty much what Anton 
suggested.

Thanks Anton!

Regarding Carl's blog about hiding rebol scripts in web pages, I've 
always wanted a way to directly execute a rebol script from the library 
from my rebol console.  I used this trick of embedding a rebol script 
between [ .. ] in my offline mail reader, and wonder if it can be 
used in the library as well.

Note : I launch Repack by typing this in the console (by example, 
while trying to get QML-ED) :

do http://www.rebol.org/cgi-bin/cgiwrap/rebol/download-a-script.r?script-name=qm
l-ed.r

Thanks for the error report.

It works for me.....At least on the versions of REBOL I am running.
What rebol.exe or view.exe are you running?
---

As a stop-gap, you could try running repack-core.  it's an ugly console-only 
version of repeck, but it should be less version-sensitive:
   do http://www.rebol.org/library/public/repack-core.r

Volker: can you show me the full console log of what you did, thanks?

as usuall, type the following in a rebol console to open up the tool.

do http://www.rebol.org/library/public/repack.r


also note that I put a lot of effort in optimizing the file's final 
size, including a lot of hacking out, removing comments, compressing, 
etc... its now a much smaller download.

We are glad to announce that a newer version of the rebol.org package 
downloader is now available for people using REBOL|view 1.3.2

as usuall, type the following in a rebol console to open up the tool. 
it now adapts to version automatically
<pre>do http://www.rebol.org/library/public/repack.r</pre>

also note that I put a lot of effort in optimizing the file's final 
size, including a lot of hacking out, removing comments, compressing, 
etc... its now a much smaller download.
This version uses a slick 
new version of GLayout which has gfx largely based on Henrik's tests 
which he supplied a few weeks ago...

Sunanda, I can tell you where does chars come from. if your page 
is set as utf-8, then the script as been uploaded by the browser 
as utf-8. when you view it in the brower, it shows correctly as utf-8. 
when you download it, it is still utf-8, but if you view it with 
something that believes it's latin1 (eg. the rebol 2 console on windows 
set as latin1), it won't show up correctly.

Except for R2 console, of course.

R3 console seems to handle it better.

If the offending downloaded script is executed in Rebol/Core, the 
extra ASCII chars are also present in the executed code.  The script 
defines ½ to be 0.5. If "help ½" is typed into the console, the result 
is "Found these words:   ½              decimal!  0.5". However, 
if the script is executed in Rebol/View, the result is "½ is a decimal 
of value: 0.5". It seems that View handles it correctly, while Core 
doesn't.

sunanda:  I have a feature proposal for you  :-)


it would be nice to be able to supply a single picture to link with 
the scripts. this image (jpg, png, gif) would have hefty size limitation 
and I think only one image per script should be enough, but having 
this alongside the various listings of the application and within 
searches, new scripts, etc would be really cool.


sometimes, if you see a thumbnail (ui grab, console example, logo, 
output gfx, whatever), it will help raise people's curiosity.  this 
could probably benefit quite a few scripts, which are possibly overlooked.


having a simple search filter of scripts with pics, could also help 
people to quickly find usefull things at a glance.


what do you think?  it could start out really simple, and slowly 
thumbnails could creep into various listings of scripts.

Hi, I am very new to Rebol so appologies if my questions are very 
simple.


I have been trying to use functions & examples from the library by 
pasting them into the REBOL/View console. When I do this I find most 
of them produce errors or lock up the console so I have to restart 
it.  What am I doing wrong please? Is there some trick to this that 
is so obvious that no one has mentioned it?

Thanks,

you can also, if you have a console running in the background, restart 
a "stopped" view window with DO-EVENTS

Can someone recall me what function to call or where should I indicate 
a new download default directory of the console.  By default, it 
seems set to C:/Documents and Settings/AdminHome/Application Data/Rebol/public. 
 I would like to change that.  Thanks.

I like your idea of combining AGG text in there.  I want my console 
to be better than the console in a Peugot car.

speeding up keyboard input is a good way to accelerate the Porsche 
console

the rules work when tested at the console.  So, I'm thinking something 
else is wrong.

try this from your rebol console.. 

do load http://powerofq.com/start
°load° "°mysqlprot°"


a: read join mysql://yourName:[yourPassword-:-localhost]/yourDatabaseName 
"show tables"

worked from the console, but I'm not getting in with the cgi program. 
hmmm ....

when I created it from the console, I got a properly encrypted password 
like yours

I can see that mysql console has no problem in reconnecting where 
rebol and mysql-admin fail

1) Load the REBOL mysql console : do %mysql.r
2) Connect to the server
3) Command: show tables
4) result ok
5) Stop/Start the server
6) Command: show tables
7) result ok (the driver has reconnected transparently)

I can run the script starting rebol and in console using do %script.r

that rebol works here to. also when i start it from real console 
and logout. did you try really try the redirects of stdin and stderr?

(runlevels tell which servers etc to run. so there is one with everything 
off for maintenance, one for console-use, console with network, console+network+gui-login, 
these with and without network, maybe some others)

Jonathan, try to launch rebol from the console rather than by double-clicking 
on the icon. Also, make sure you launch rebol from a place you have 
write access. For example, i installed rebol within /opt/rebol-cmd/bin 
but I do not have write access on this folder. So, from my home folder, 
i launch rebol like this: /opt/rebol-cmd/bin/rebview

They use Debian. I have Fedora at home. What would I like to ask 
is - where to put rebol interpreter on Debian? Where to put things 
like user.r or mysql-protocol.r or whatever other script I produce 
to them? The path is almost always trouble for me. I e.g. start console 
and I have to define set-net once again, as it does not use my user.r 
settings etc. Any insights?

Ok, thanks for the comments. What's this terminal-server stuff? Is 
this a special console I connect too?

the terminal server is used by the hosting company to access multiple 
servers consoles without having physical consoles. When they reboot 
a machine the can get the bios boot messages because there is a console 
cable to the terminal server and they normally access the terminal 
server via ssh

you cant run View in console mode?

ah, I got syntax error in my sql statement, sorry. Now CGI runs in 
linux console by pressing enter in midnight commander, but not from 
the browser :-)

you can't call it CGI if you run it from the console can you?

Yeah, I was a little surprised that such a script could run at all 
from the console.

no ... but I face some strange problems. I put print "Content-type: 
text/html" print newline at the beginning of the script and now it 
does not run even under console, it just says "REBOL - security violation"

when I run script from console, it of course runs, as I am root, 
and then sqlite.log is of root owner ....

More newbie questions .. how come i double click on Rebol and the 
desktop comes up.  I click on console, and it all shuts down.  No 
console, and no desktop?

interesting... reading test.cgi from rebol console just gives me 
100% cpu power and no output

Brian has console -output at bottom of his post.

no affect. I even tried shifting over to another virtual console 
and ran from there with no bad luck.

3) I would not put rebol in cgi-bin. If it is there, one can call 
the rebol-exe from the outside, without it doing a string. Never 
tried that, but it may think post-data is console-input. rights should 
be 755, only you can modify, but everyone can read it. the server 
may call it as "somebody else", and so it must be readable for that 
"user"

if i post something, that goes to "console". I do not know how rebol 
handles that. Hopefully it is smart enough to do nothing.

when you start rebol without script, it takes commands from console.. 
at least with from a real console..

but console ends imo, no?

he's trying to start it up and leave a console running

ah, but the console would have to get that command (wait 4) - do 
you think it is passed to it?

Volker: but usually you don't get console access, only ftp to copy 
your web to ...

I susoect View may be trying to pop-up an installation window......And 
so that appears on the server's console (if any). meanwhile, you 
wait at the end of an Internet connection unable to see anything.

Possible work-around: manually install whatever files View is trying 
to configure?

Hello, I need to send multipart/form-data to a server for uploading 
a file from the console. I've been googling and searching the script 
archive, to no avail. Can anyone help?

One of my clients updates his site via some tool, which always seem 
to add some space between the lines. After some time, the page is 
instead of 400 rows something like 13K rows - the size goes from 
cca 25KB to 100KB. So I wrote a cgi script, which reads index.html 
and removes blank lines. Everything is OK, when I run the script 
from the console. But when I run it via a browser as a CGI script 
call, it can't write the file. Dunno why - cgi-script is being run 
using -cs switch, I even put secure none in there, cgi-script has 
the same own, grp set as index.html, but I can't write it ....

Hi Folks! How to solve to not open the console window or to change 
the window title for no-windows applications?

Console window: use header word "encap". See in docs/encap.html of 
your SDK.

you can't change the title yet for console windows .. I've asked 
carl to fix this.

you can't change the title yet for console windows

 -- You can probably do it with API calls. Haven't tried, but it should 
 work NP.

Works at least in Rebol/View console :)

It works for all console windows of Rebol, if you can load a .dll

changing the title of a console window

well, that's not really what I would want... all I would need would 
be proper encapping of my small Rebol/View scripts so that friends 
can run them with a single click, which is one of the major gripes 
I have when I need to distribute hobby scripts. They don't want to 
mess with the console or the viewtop (believe me, I tried).


If I were to use functions in my scripts that are /command only, 
the service should not allow encapping of source that contains /command 
functions. This way you'd need to own /command and/or the SDK to 
make /command capable exe's.

I don't think this would be a good idea as the SDK lets you choose 
what mezz code you wish to include, and things like console help 
and desktop are excluded by default.

Mm, I have the opposite problem ... I just want to double-click the 
script and when I close the window I don't want to then have to close 
an additional console window. ;)

Windows keeps track of all the programs used to open a particular 
file extension. Just right click the script then choose:

	Open With | Choose Program


and browse select the file you want to open it with (checking the 
"Always use ..." option if you want to permanently associate it). 
Thereafter, this file is displayed whenever you right-click and bring 
up the "Open with" menu. On my system I have multiple REBOL versions 
and editors available so I can easily choose how I want to open a 
script.


Anton: if your .R scripts are associated with your editor, how do 
you run them? Console session and do?

I have my .r associated with editor as well.  I run a console session 
to run rebol scripts.

Yes, I spend my life in the rebol console.

I'm either in a rebol console or a dos shell :(

I have a tendancy to fall in front of a video game or two but other 
than that I'm usually behind a rebol console as well. ;-)

Anyway, I think it we have an option to drop to console ... that 
would be good.

Latest release available at: http://www.dobeash.com/files/RebGUI-014.zip

Highlights include:

	- Several new widgets (15 in total now)
	- A simple WinXP-like look (not final, just something to model)
	- New %tour.r script to view all widgets in action
	- ESC to return to the console (for Graham)
	- Numerous minor improvements and fixes
	- Documentation update (the Display User's Guide in particular)

It's not a biggie.. but like Anton, some of us use the console preferentially.

yes, I can confirm that closing window does not return back to console, 
but quits rebol ...

I am hoping that when REBOL/Coop goes online, we will have a good 
way to deal with these issues.  We will be posting a lot of REBOL 
code (and C code too) for developers who feel that they can make 
them better in various ways that are most important to them.  In 
other words, if Pekr wants the REBOL console to scroll better, then 
he will have access to make that happen.

Carl, I don't want better scrolling for console, but better keyboard 
navigation - ctrl arrow for skipping words, ctrl shift for hilighting 
...

is there a one-liner I can type on rebol console I can use to see 
something built with rebGUI. just curious how it looks and feels...

and look at debug output in console

Now that's interesting ... 

if I paste your example into a console, I get a very short high beep

if I paste it into a script and do the script, I get a math error! 
(Math or number overflow)

pm-101 reminds me of an aircraft console ;)   once it stops scaring 
me ill look more closely :)

probably the fastest way to find out is to try console help system, 
it does also partial searches ... it could help novices .... >> help 
fo ..... and look what is printed .... that is how I started to see, 
if there is some named function according to what I think such a 
name could be ...

a: b: 4 -> 4 is evaluated -> result 4 -> 4 is copied to slot of b 
in the context of b -> result 4 -> 4 is copied to the slot of a in 
the context of a -> result 4 -> console display 4

Words, however, even though they are values, cannot be destroyed. 
If you go into the console and type some random words like "aklsdf", 
you can see them at the end of  first system/words, and they will 
never disappear from this list, even if the words are unset.

Anton, Maxim: noted. Hum... will have to test what happens if I use 
"début" with the accent. In VC++ console mode, the output doesn't 
use the same character table as the editor. Didn't think of checking 
this yet, but the classe will be held in French so I should check, 
although this is not vital.

P.s both of these I tried at console and I think I did try a wait 
at the time.

help db-update is a good start. ;) For a full list of db functions 
just enter "help db-" at the console.

Following works fine:

	db-update/where names name "Jane" [rowid = 1]

and reversing the find is saying:

	find "e" name -> where name appears in "e" ... so [] is corect

 find "Foe" name -> where name appears in "Foe" ... so ["Foe" ...] 
 is correct

is this behaviour a specification of RebDB

 ... this is how the REBOL find word works. Type "help find" at the 
 REBOL console for more information.

It is easier for the console parser

Hello Josh! I have one request. Try to run this:

under IE:
http://www.rebol.cz/~cyphre/plugin-ie.html

under Mozilla/FF etc.:
http://www.rebol.cz/~cyphre/plugin-moz.html


Drag the green box using mouse and try to move it quickly over the 
screen. You can see the time lag when the green box is updating the 
position.

Now try this from normal Rebol/View console:
do http://www.rebol.cz/~cyphre/plugin-moz-test.r


You can see there is no lag and the green box is updated very quickly.

Do yo have any idea what could cause this difference?

my specualtions: 

1. Are you always blitting the whole screen in the plugin versions? 
This could cause the slowdown as there should be updated only the 
part with green box on the screen.

2. Could be the slowdown cause by different(higher)  amount of mouse 
events which are pumped from browser to the plugin?

I think there should be a way to suppress console output when a script 
crashes

console = popup window and some users hate those

Extra Security, some thoughts:
- 'secure for ips, eg: secure [net ask tcp://rebol.com allow]
- don't share sandbox-folders between hosts.
- if possible memory-restriction, hd, cpu?
- clipboard-restriction somehow?

- check for memory-access, specially disable struct! . IMO real hackers 
will figure out how to inject code by poke. 

- reblets can store executable code by naming the file *.exe. Does 
not run immediate, but script can open folder in explorer by browse, 
and one wrong click runs it. (or is windows smarter now? Maybe you 
could add an own extension always, and maybe store everything as 
64#{} ?

- Make sure untrusted reblets don't run invisible, can snoop clipboard, 
or at least users online-times. I guess creatives can find other 
uses.

- Maybe some kind of log about starts/stops, with urls? To have a 
little chance of tracking. Some kind of global console.
- Running out of thoughts for now.

Haven't studied it properly, but can console be avoided?

Console: add no-window in the Encap header in cheyenne.r before encapping.

I haven't downloaded your latest versions yet .. is a console visible 
?

Only for the main process, console are hidden for bagckground processes.

This is working for IE and FF and should be added to Carl's blog 
as well:

pre {font: bold 10pt "courier new", monospace, console; width: 630px; 
overflow: auto; background-color: #f0f0f0; padding: 16px; border: 
solid #c0c0c0 1px;}

I especially liked R3's move to device model with a note, that you 
could get rebol console to serial port - I thought to myself - holly 
hell, that would be something :-)

I did an engine to play NIM:

http://www.rebol.org/cgi-bin/cgiwrap/rebol/view-script.r?script=nim-engine.r
It plays the game at the console prompt.

But I never got around to adding a View front end --- feel free any 
one.