AltME groups: search

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Reichart, am I still the only person who ever indicated problems 
running multiple worlds and having the world all of a sudden become 
inaccessible?  The only thing I can relate this to on my computer 
is possible the world server getting mixed up with the multiple worlds 
I was hosting from my old win98SE box.  Since I have been only serving 
one world and not the three as before I have not had a reoccurence 
of this problem.

We have one guy running OS X in our World. So far so good. This morning 
we saw a message that he wasn't a member but I restarted the World 
and all is well. My thought is that this was caused by my computer 
going to sleep sometime during the night. I get other issues with 
other programs so that's probably it.

Mmm.. Some of these groups are web-public, so they are obtainable 
through the web here
http://www.rebol.net/altweb/rebol3/


otherwise with a bit of analysis maybe we could try to transplant 
some chat files over to your computer.

Just one question; what version of AltME do you have written at the 
top of your window ?

Actually, that only affects your local computer.

Reichart: I'm pretty sure that this crash is in no way related to 
AltMe or REBOL. Something mysterious happened to my computer and 
lot of things that were working are not now. I don't know the reason, 
but I'm sure it must be some HW fault.

Anton: Actually the only change I made was, that I moved my computer 
by a meter or so. I've checked RAM with memtest and both GFX and 
soundcard looks OK.

:-) I think, Rebolek's computer case is always open:-)

I was clicking at a lot of groups just a few seconds ago after installing 
altme on a new computer .... :-) ..... but I'm getting faster everytime 
and if one is fast one can see pretty nicely that the event-queue 
is working, because even though altme is not fast enough in keeping 
up with setting groups to "read", it doesn't miss any groups already 
clicked on. :-)

My computer is really low on RAM, which might have something to do 
with this.

My second feedback/request was asking to only have to type in user 
credentials once per AltMe session.  I don't auto-populate my userid 
and password as this computer is a multi-user computer that doesn't 
take advantage of the built-in OS multi-user features (setup as single 
user).  So, switching between Worlds requires me to login each time 
I visit worlds I was already logged into.

Aah! Smart user,  exhausted computer. Could work :)

In trying to move some worlds to a new computer, everything is gone. 
I copied over all the files (I still of course have the old drive 
image). Is there some other trick? It just seems to ignore the copied 
files. Thanks in advance.

Ah, fixed it. On old pc the directory was safeworlds on the new it 
was altme and it seemed that Altme on this new computer favored the 
altme folder. I'm just glad it works. : )

The funny thing is……………….


I run several AltME worlds on several computers(Mac, PC).  All my 
computers in a given day move from wired to wireless.  Not just that, 
but I go from a wired home to a wireless home (if I have to save 
big files I plug the wire in).  I then gt in my truck where I jump 
to Sprint Cell PCMCI card (about 70K bytes per second).  Which I 
use to talk to people on Skype.  In my office I pick up the local 
wireless, and bring up a second copy of AltME on a second laptop.


With all that, not once in all these years have I lost even a single 
message in AltME, not been able to log in, etc.  Obviously there 
have been a couple of Server outages, but I'm not even near the servers, 
and I have never even had trouble from Maui.


It is odd.  The sad reality is that a strong percentage of problems 
are simply the local computer.  Even if it is "only" AltME (or replace 
with any other application) you are having trouble with.

there isn't even a requester saying "do you really want to run this 
app? could be dangerous. your computer could go boom." like webbrowsers 
do nowadays.

Anyone know how many world servers AltMe World servers will communicate 
while polling for changes?  I am just running a demo of a packet 
sniffer package  PRTG Packet Grapher and I get about 6-12 IP addresses 
connecting regularly with my computer.  The IP addresses all seem 
to end in either .69 or .223.

REBOL /View (or AltMe)  just crashed on me..when I do the following 
on WinXP.

1. My Computer->Properties
2. Advanced tab->Performance

3. Change from "Let Windows choose what's best for my computer" to 
"Adjust for best performance'

4. Apply..... WinXP 'pops' up a dialog saying /View has crashed and 
ask for information to be sent over to MS.

Can someone try the above and see if it duplicates?

NOTE: I have AltMe running when I did that.

I want a suggestion, but otoh I don't give you much chances of how 
to change my mind, as some things are simply wrong with new-computer-View-initial 
behavior ...

well, but I was at computer, which was never touched by Rebol and 
I have to say, that my annoyance is not over and that we better change 
some things sooner than later ...

I want to launch the scrip, without Desktop popping-up, if I use 
-i option, but that is not the case. I also want it to work, without 
choosing or not to install rebol first, simply on new computer, untouched 
by rebol yet ...

Maybe they join, the next RAMBO is about entering some bad computer 
and sqush all the bugmonsters there?

The new Core 2.6.0 in View 1.3 is running the user.r found by the 
environment variable APPDATA, it seems. On my Windows computer, it's 
in C:\Documents and Settings\John\Application Data\rebol\ , even 
if I install REBOL/View in E:\rebol\view\. Is it a good way of doing 
it? I find it a bit confusing.

Hey! The rebol.org mail search is pretty good ! Faster than my computer. 
:)

Thanks Anton! We had some fun tuning it (it's done with just REBOL 
objects and blocks by the way)--- It should be even faster if implemented 
on your computer as REBOL.org runs (as far as I can tell) on a shared 
1ghz machine with the slowest hard drives outside of a museum.

Good question! It's in a tough corner of REBOL - parsing. REBOL is 
in many ways more like a human language, than a computer language. 
Strictly speaking, you can argue, that those examples have a bug 
or two, but can you live with it? The behaviour might make it difficult 
to parse input strings, written by humans, because people write all 
sorts of things. (If it can go wrong, it will.)


Try change the quotation marks to something else and see the results 
change, like:

>> parse/all {Xsome wordsX}Ê{X }
== ["" "some" "words"]

Final off topic;  Now I'm slowly replacing all my computer heroes...Names 
like Kernighan, Pike, Moore, Griswold, Lovelace... are now Sassenrath, 
DocKimbel, Anton, Cyphre, Graham, Maxim, Ladislav, Henrik, Oldes...et 
al.  Thanks guys.  You are making my world a better place.

Too small a sample for a busy computer.

Kaj, that's very good info, thanks !

I could still use Mepis as a simple "don't change much" install for 
friends who just want a basic computer.

had the same problem with using different computers with the same 
account. One computer would not upload all the messages...both windows 
XP

Does mounting a filesystem change anything on the filesystem ?

I'm on Kubuntu and I've taken a new laptop's 80GB internal disk into 
an external drive enclosure and connected it via USB to my computer.
Kubuntu detected it and automounted the filesystem.

My task was to duplicate the disk, in the pursuit of which I've used 
various combinations of dd and gzip.

However, I can't get a straight 80GB image to compare equally (using 
cmp or diff) with a compressed image.

(I decompress the compressed image on the fly and pipe it into cmp.)

After many hours, it occurs to me that having the filesystem mounted 
might be changing it slightly over time... which would make my images 
different. (This would make my mission a failure, as I wanted a pristine 
image.)
So can anyone answer the above question ?

That's true, actually, the remote computer could be compromised and 
then keylog me. But I set up the "remote" computer, being my flatmate's 
in the next room. I can't remember if our firewall allows ssh between 
local and wide area network...

This is meant as an implementation of BBC BASIC originally found 
on the BBC Micro from british Acorn. It's not an emulator of that 
computer. For emulation of the BBC Micro, I recommend BeebEm.

Geomol, the problem with such a computer is that it would only appeal 
to geeks, and geeks already have a pc anyway. for developing countries, 
there's the OLPC eventually.

i think, time would better be invested in an OS (both for geeks, 
and non-geeks). then you can make cheap computers for the OS to run, 
once it has been recognized, so parents could buy a $100 computer 
to childs (one each) instead of one big $1000 pc for the family.

It's rather difficult to implement functions (user functions, which 
the BBC BASIC language support), with the implementing method, I've 
choosed. Problem is, that the return point need to be saved, while 
the function code is running. The problem is the same with statements 
like GOSUB and PROC (procedures), but so far, I've just put some 
restrictions on those. In this basic, more than one statement can 
be on each line, if they're separated by colons, ':'. The way it's 
implemented, this example give a syntax error:
GOSUB 100:PRINT "I'm back"

My implementation require, that the return point is the next line. 
That isn't good enough with functions, because they're used in the 
middle of other statements. Examples:

PRINT FNone_function, FNanother_function
IF FNmyfunc=42 THEN PRINT "It's 42!"


The return point for those need to be in the middle of a statement, 
in the middle of a line. So I'm at a point, where I consider another 
implementation of all the statements (more like a real emulation 
of the BBC computer) or if I just should say "the heck with it" and 
move on to some other language or another version of a new BASIC 
language.

Comments, hmmm.  You've done an awesome job John.  I learned Z-80 
assembler back on my TRS-80 before I did much BASIC.  When they finally 
got a computer class in my high school for ninth graders, I was already 
in grade 12 and laughed at the BASIC.  So, instead of having me whining 
and whinging all class, I got to write a student database program 
in assembler for my electronics teacher on the Commodore PET.  Never 
been a fan of BASIC, but what you've done can only attract a larger 
REBOL audience so well done.  If you can make it compatible enough 
to run old DOS frogger.bas you may have a demo that gains worldwide 
attention.


Technically, back to your point, (having sadly only glossed over 
your codebase), what if you tricked the "line" internals say with 
pair! or decimal! keeping your own sub-lines invisible to the user?


And if you start up a Forth dialect...I'm in.   Or at least will 
show a keener interest watching a guru at work   :)

REBOL [
	Title: "SMTP daemon"
	Author: "Graham Chiu"
	Version: 0.0.2
	Date: 5/3/2005
]

install-service [
	name: 'smtp
	port-id: 25

	multi-line-end: rejoin [crlf #"." crlf]
	stop-at: crlf
	
	server: make object! [ user-data: none ]

 clear-server: server/user-data [ state: "command" email: computer: 
 none ]
	
	maildir: %mail/ ; store mail here
	domains: [ "@compkarori.co.nz" ] ; list of accepted domains
	
	save-mail: func [ data /local mailbox ][

  if not dir? mailbox: rejoin [ maildir server/user-data/email "/" 
  ] [
			if not exists? mailbox: join maildir %misc/ [
				mailbox: make-dir join maildir %misc/
			]					
		]
		if not exists? join mailbox "mail.txt" [
			write join mailbox "mail.txt" "" 
		]
		write/append join mailbox "mail.txt" join crlf to-string data	
		; print dehex data
	]
	
	on-new-client: has [su] [
			su: server/user-data: context [
			state: copy "command"
			email: computer: none
	 	]
		stop-at: crlf
		write-client join "220 mail.compkarori.co.nz SMTP" crlf
	]

	smtp-rule: [
		"HELO" copy name thru newline
			( write-client join "250 mail.compkarori.co.nz SMTP" crlf 
				if not none? name [
					trim/head/tail name
				]
				server/user-data/computer: form name
			) |
		"EHLO" thru newline
			( write-client join "500 not implemented" crlf ) |
		"MAIL" thru newline
			( write-client join "250 OK MAIL FROM" crlf) |
		"QUIT" thru newline
			( write-client join "221 Good Bye" crlf close-client) |
		"RSET" thru newline
			( write-client join "250 OK RESET" crlf clear-server ) |
		"NOOP" thru newline
			( write-client join "250 OK NOOP" crlf ) |
		"VRFY" thru newline

   ( write-client join "252 send some mail, i'll try my best" crlf ) 
   |
		"EXPN" thru newline
			( write-client join "500 not implemented" crlf ) |

  "RCPT" [ thru "<" | thru ": " ] copy name to "@" copy domain to ">" 
  thru newline 
			( 
				either find domains domain [

     server/user-data/email: form name write-client join "250 OK RCPT 
     TO" crlf 
				][

     write-client join "553 sorry, that domain is not in my list of allowed 
     rcpthosts" crlf
					server/user-data/email: none					
				]
			) |
		"DATA" thru newline

   ( 	stop-at: multi-line-end server/user-data/state: copy "body" 
				write-client join "354 start mail input" crlf
			) 
	]
	
	on-received: func [data /local su] [
		su: server/user-data
		; print join "Data: " data
		switch su/state [
			"command" [
				if not parse data smtp-rule	[ 
					write-client join "500 command not understood" crlf
				]		
			]
			"body" [
				; reject if we don't have a RCPT command first
				if none? su/email [
					write-client join "500 no email address received" crlf
					stop-at: crlf
					su/state: copy "command"
					return
				]
				
				; write the body of the message somewhere

    save-mail rejoin [ "Received: from " su/computer " ( " su/computer 
    " [ " client/remote-ip " ]) " to-idate now newline dehex data newline 
    newline ]
				stop-at: crlf
				write-client join "250 OK MAIL received" crlf
				su/state: "command"
				su/email: none
			]	
		]
	]
]

hmm

clear-server: does [ server/user-data/state: "command" server/user-data/email: 
server/user-data/computer: none ]

Just one - I'm sending it from my computer to the server

ffmpeg: more than 5 seconds of late video -> dropping frame (computer 
too slow ?)

This is the erros that I was getting from VLC.

ffmpeg: more than 5 seconds of late video -> dropping frame (computer 
too slow ?)

ffmpeg: more than 5 seconds of late video -> dropping frame (computer 
too slow ?)

nsv: invalid signature 0x4f87b2d5 (some weird chars here wer erased)

nsv: invalid signature 0xb43e69b0 (some weird chars here wer erased)

nsv: invalid signature 0xeac692dd (some weird chars here wer erased)

nsv: invalid signature 0x1ef6e9da (some weird chars here wer erased)

My Logitech optical mouse pointer is getting harder and harder to 
control. It will be working smoothly and then for no obvious reason 
will stick to a certain spot for a moment and then jump ahead. Also, 
sometimes it will not work after starting the computer. Does anyone 
know what might be wrong?

I've got a glass top computer desk ... and I have to be sure I put 
the optical mouse on the non glass surfaces if I want it to move

What is presently the smallest computer that will run rebol view?

My wife wants a computer so small she can put it in her purse and 
not even know it is there. But it has to be able to do all the work 
of a desktop with a 21 inch monitor.  You can see that her's is a 
real reasonable request.

Is it possible to transfer the entire contents of the harddrive on 
a desktop computer to the harddrive on a laptop? I mean including 
the registry settings etc. I have Norton Ghost; would that do it? 
or are there hardware issues that would prevent it?

You should, we can talk to you about how to configure your drive 
in the first place.  I have some simple tricks I do for my laptops 
(I only use laptops, and live on them). 

Quick list:

Put everything in PGP folders.

Install XP to a small partition, and have a ghosted version on the 
same drive (seperate partition).

Basic layout is C: = Boot and XP, D: = Data (your personal Data, 
E: = Extra applications, Z: = Archive og Ghost of C:.
Keep the custom Ghost CD for your laptop with you.


With this, if somoene steals your computer they don't get your data.
If C gets corrupted, you can recover.
And, it is REALLY easy to back up just your data fast.

Check the manufacturer's web site before you but the laptop. If you 
can download all necessary drivers and utilities from their web site 
you might be in luck. Make sure that all bundled applications have 
installers included with the laptop, rather than restore disks. Before 
you wipe the laptop, check it for install directories and archive 
them - and run test installs on another computer to make sure the 
installers work.

When I but a laptop (or any computer) the first thing I do is image 
the original drive, before I even boot up the computer for the first 
time. That way I can undo any mistakes I make, and even restore the 
computer to pristine condition and return it if that is necessary.

Even a slow computer can edit video just fine.  It depends on what 
medium you work on.  For example, if work in Raw, everything is really 
fast.  When you finally move to a format (AVI, .MOV, .MPG, etc.) 
that is when stuff takes a LONG time.  You need lots of video space.

About noise, as Pekr wrote about. Even if my iBook has a fan, it 
very rarely starts, so my computer is totally noise free, which I 
really enjoy. The new MacBooks are the same, and battery lasts for 
6 hours. I'm not sure, if the MacMini is the same!?

Yep...I'm with Ashley.  If you want a computer to use, get a Mac. 
 If you want to stick it to the man, use GNU/Linux, but do so knowing 
that whizbang feature X will be lacking or require gnome level tinkering.

If you want to be a lemming, go Windows, sorry I mean, if you like 
mainstream, go Windows.

I'm building a computer system for my friend. The motherboard comes 
with a magnetic ring which is supposed to reduce interference. But 
which cables is it supposed to go on ? (I think I've seen it in another 
system around the front led/power/reset cables.)

Maybe you can use Rebol and  try to implement a curriculum similar 
to HtDP.  

The Structure and Interpretation of the Computer Science Curriculum 
http://www.cs.brown.edu/~sk/Publications/Papers/Published/fffk-htdp-vs-sicp-journal/

It needs Chat (writte), Talk (Spoken), Video, and several Whiteboards, 
and a way to view somoeone's computer screen.

To everyone:

What characterize a good learning book? Do you prefer thick books 
with deep explanation and many examples, or do you prefer the thin 
book with the essentials? Look at your collection of technical book; 
about computer languages, OSs, databases or what you have. Which 
ones do you like, and which ones is no-good?

It'd be fun to get REBOL into the classrooms.

But it'd take some plans and (probably) some pedagogically oriented 
libraries to beat a language like Turing that is described as "Designed 
for computer science instruction".

Uhm.  The window layering problem has nothing to do with how much 
the script was slowing down my computer because I killed the script 
and windows still isn't layering my windows properly.

Yes! Being an experimental physicist it always strikes me as funny 
that we don't have a branch called "experimental computer science". 
Computers may be predictable, but humans (you know, that design XML 
formats, or have a ship cut an Internet cable in the Pacific, or....) 
are not.

Actually I based it on your skype.r app. All it does is set the audioin 
and audioout settings. I have a Plantronics bluetooth handset and 
earpiece but it doesn't support Skype voicemail messages so every 
time I received one I had to go to the tools and switch out the audio 
to my computer speakers and back again. It also seems to cause some 
slight interference when I had to enter touchtones so I wrote this 
little gui that simply lets me change those. Nothing special but 
it is a real time saver and with the touchtones a call saver since 
you have to enter tones pretty qucikly sometimes.

Strange isn't it?

Most people wouldn't dream of pimping their plumbing or their car.....They 
just know that those things need to work, and messing around with 
them will lead to breakages.
But they'll mess with their only computer day and night.

I'm guilty. But I think below a certain threshold, people tend to 
spend all their available money on the one computer, in order to 
make it as good as possible. That's my reasoning from years ago. 
These days, I feel quite different. I don't feel like playing games 
much anymore and I'm pretty careful installing new software.

  MySQL 5.0 Adds Features for Enterprise Developers and DBAs
by Ken 
  North

Baseball legend Satchel Paige is famous for having said 

Don't look back, something might be gaining on you." Companies selling 
a commercial SQL database management system (DBMS) know its MySQL 
that's gaining on them. With an already large installed base, MySQL 
is set to attract new users because of the feature set of version 
5.0. It includes capabilities for which developers have often turned 
to commercial SQL products.


The purposes for which we use personal, mobile, workgroup, departmental, 
enterprise and web databases are diverse. Application requirements 
are a primary determinant of the capacity and features we need from 
an SQL DBMS. For example, a high-volume transaction processing web 
site places greater demands on a database than a contact list manager 
for laptops and small business servers.


A Web Techniques magazine article, "Web Databases: Fun with Guests 
or Risky Business?" discussed features that characterize an industrial-grade 
SQL DBMS. It explained SQL security and mission-critical databases, 
defined as


    "A database is mission critical if its lack of data integrity has 
    serious consequences, such as causing the loss of customers or even 
    lives."


Maintaining data integrity is implicit -- that's a prime directive 
for a DBMS. The article explained other features that enterprise 
developers look for in an SQL platform:


    ... mission-critical applications require features such as intrinsic 
    security, transaction journaling, concurrency controls and the ability 
    to enforce data integrity constraints. Without those features, you 
    do not have secure, robust databases. Connecting a database to a 
    Web server adds other requirements, such as a multithreaded architecture 
    and the ability to do database backups without taking the server 
    down.


    Freeware and PC DBMSs are suitable for certain classes of applications, 
    but not for high-volume Web sites and mission-critical databases. 
    In any case, don't bet your business, or lives, on such software 
    unless you have the source code and the expertise to understand and 
    repair it.


Since that article appeared in print, improvements to MySQL have 
removed the "not ready for prime time" label. Features described 
in that article are now available to MySQL users:

    * transactions
    * concurrency control, locking, SQL standard isolation levels
    * intrinsic security
    * integrity constraints
    * thread-based memory allocation.

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MySQL uses separate threads to handle TCP/IP and named pipes connections, 
authentication, signaling, alarms and replication. The combination 
of threaded architecture and MySQL clustering provides powerful parallel 
processing capabilities. MySQL can process transactions in parallel 
with separate connections on separate processors using separate threads.
MySQL Milestones


A decade of development has moved MySQL out of the bare-bones DBMS 
category, enlarged its user base, and turned MySQL AB into a profitable 
company. One of the important milestones was integration of the InnoDB 
engine with MySQL 4.0. That upgrade gave MySQL multiple tablespaces, 
tables greater than 4GB and support for transaction processing. Other 
enhancements included OpenGIS spatial data types and hot backups. 
The latter enables a DBA to perform a backup without taking the DBMS 
offline. Hot backup software is available as a commercial add-on 
for databases using the InnoDB storage engine. 


MySQL 5.0, the newest version, is a major milestone. There have been 
enhancements to the tool sets, storage engines, types and metadata. 
 MySQL 5.0 includes features enterprise developers have come to expect 
from commercial SQL products. 

    * capacity for very large databases
    * stored procedures
    * triggers
    * named-updateable views
    * server-side cursors
    * type enhancements
    * standards-compliant metadata (INFORMATION_SCHEMA)
    * XA-style distributed transactions
    * hot backups.


MySQL has a demonstrated capacity for managing very large databases. 
Mytrix, Inc. maintains an extensive collection of Internet statistics 
in a one terabyte (1 TB) data warehouse that contains 20 billion 
rows of data. Sabre Holdings runs the oldest and largest online travel 
reservation system. It replicates 10-60 gigabytes per day from its 
master database to a MySQL server farm. The MySQL databases are used 
to support a shopping application that can accommodate a million 
fare changes per day."

Gaining root access to a Mac is 'easy pickings', according to an 
individual who won an OS X hacking challenge last month by gaining 
root control of a machine using an unpublished security vulnerability. 
On February 22, a Sweden-based Mac enthusiast set his Mac Mini as 
a server and invited hackers to break through the computer's security 
and gain root control, which would allow the attacker to take charge 
of the computer and delete files and folders or install applications. 
Within hours of going live, the 'rm-my-mac' competition was over. 
The challenger posted this message on his Web site: "This sucks. 
Six hours later this poor little Mac was owned and this page got 
defaced".

The windows registry is probably the most "crappy" (native english 
speaker, please replace this word by the word that is in my head 
and I can't find) invention of all the computer history.


If you have a problem and it's not hardware, then it's 99% chance 
it's a registry problem. The 1% rest is for files and DLL problem.

My boring all day experience.

Bill already own the high score in "Bird names" (direct french translation 
for  a non offensive manner to represents offensive words ;-) given 
by all the world computer guys who tried to make Windows X Y working.

I think he is rising over Adolph H. in this area (no, ok, bad joke 
here).

To me, it is all very simple. I just install a program that protects 
all content on my computer before *anything* comes on my PC. Now, 
every piece of software that tries to get anything of my computer... 
of course the protection I offer is cumbersome, so most software 
will circumvent it... and I can sue them. Of cousre I can publish 
something to protect me, espscially from a non-US country.

I do believe that the competition is great, and by the way for a 
much as I love Rebol. I don't see the like the ultimate end of computer 
science,, as matter of fact I see some drastic limitations like Rebol 
can't bootstrap Rebol, because rebol is not compilable.

http://www.computer.org/portal/site/computer/menuitem.5d61c1d591162e4b0ef1bd108bcd45f3/index.jsp?&pName=computer_level1_article&TheCat=1005&path=computer/homepage/0506&file=cover1.xml&xsl=article.xsl&
<--- interesting link from that site.

Regarding multitasking and REBOL, how far is it possible to go using 
communication between tasks over the TCP protocol? I've implemented 
multi-user locking this way with a relational database in REBOL, 
and it works quite well. I haven't done stress-test, so I have no 
real measurement, how effective it is, and what the performance is 
compared to other inter-task communication methods. I'm working on 
an OpenGL implementation, where OpenGL commands are sent from a REBOL 
task to an OpenGL server task (written in C), which will execute 
the OpenGL commands, so I'm about to get more experience in this. 
Both tasks will run on the same computer, but can easily be on different 
computers, of course.


Anyone with more experience in task communication using TCP? Where 
is the limit?

As of May 2006 The Encyclopedia of Computer Languages by Murdoch 
University, Australia lists 8512 computer languages.

more apt to dash a computer playing solitaire with my car

Perhaps they should be archiving old computer languages and source 
code?

IEEE Computer - July 2006, has an article by Bertrand Meyer on componentizing 
the Visitor pattern, and talks about components versus patterns in 
general. Here is a related link: http://se.ethz.ch/research/patterns.html


Coming from VB, which was "object based", not true OO, and succeeded 
largely due to its component-based model, I believe that patterns 
are good, but components are better, and language features are better 
still. That's another reason I think dialects are the way to go.

I don't know. I use IM, IRC and AltME way more than email. For me, 
email is a rather clunky communications tool. It seems to me that 
for many people, IM requires you to be at the computer all the time, 
which of course it doesn't. I guess it's heritage from the even older 
phone era. :-)

and with MorphOS, you've got your not so powerfull, but still more 
powerfull than any amiga AmigaOS compatible computer ...

Both closure examples are actual console records from my computer 
in Rebol2 console using my (non-native) CLOSURE implementation

Reichart, with any downloaded file, including a .swf or .pdf, the 
end-user must first have the application installed on their local 
computer. Therefore, it is the responsibility of the locally installed 
REBOL EXE to register itself as the handler for .r files.

An improved Mozilla installation experience is coming, no promises 
on when. The effort we put into this is directly determined by how 
many "novice" Mozilla users there are. Most Mozilla users tend to 
be computer-savvy, so it might not be worth the effort for a super-seamless 
install. Thoughts?

Brain - are you suggesting so tight security for us rebollers only, 
or do also other plug-ins use such limited environment? (although 
I am starting to understand, that there should be NO way of how to 
harm your computer, or it will be regarded - unsecure)

Volker, the advantages to the browser cache are:
- There is already a management interface

- There are security restrictions as to what can be done with the 
content

- You can't count on data in the cache to stay there, it is a cache, 
not storage


We don't want persistent storage that can be used without permission, 
not without being able to track down the one using it. There are 
whole classes of data, the presence of which on your computer can 
get you arrested in the US and other countries, and you can't count 
on the assumption of innocence when the ones who find the data may 
not be technical enough to understand the difference. There are documented 
cases of people getting arrested for having someone else's child 
pornagraphy on their computers, and having their lives ruined as 
a result.

I've installed the Rebol plugin (hand installed by copying the *.dll 
files to the rebol directory) for Firefox and it is listed in the 
"about:plugis" page and shows that it is enabled but I'm still not 
showing a red-blue image on the .../web-plugin-install.html page. 
  I've restarted the computer (W2K-SP4).  Any suggestions?  Do I 
need to install an ActiveX plugin for Firefox as well?

I'm running Cheyenne so I can test the plug in on my local computer.

Pekr, you shouldn't run a windows PC and expect a nice functioning 
computer - doesn't matter if rebol is running on it.

My fav feature is our scratchpad.  You log in on your cell hone, 
and can simply type what ever you want, hit send, and it appends 
it to your scratchpad, so now it is on your computer.  and if you 
put something on your computer (browser), and likewise, something 
you add to the web is instantly on your cell phone.

We are currently building SMS interfaces, ie.  Calendar in/out messeging. 
 Type "meet Norman 7p" on phone and instantly it appears on your 
calendar both on call but also on computer (browsers).

RebTower 0.0.7 has been released.
- All art is now completed.

- Card Builder is included with this release so you can make/modify 
your own cards.

- Added turn pause mode so you can get a better look at the cards 
the computer plays.
Get it at: http://rebol.mustard.co.nz/rebtower-0.0.7.zip(657kb)

Sorry to hear that btiffin, but I find once you grasp the idea behind 
rebtower it is a hoot.  I wish the other player could be a person 
instead of the computer and if I were you I would approach offering 
it to one of those online sites or somewhere they offer internet 
based games and adapt it for such.

Davide: I am :) Very cool game. Inspired me to create a virtual computer 
game that teaches programming. Haven't finished the game yet but 
I played it for a couple of hours until I got stuck.

...virtual computer game that teaches programming...
 
Interesting, written in Rebol?

Mostly Ruby and a bit Java => http://rubility.heroku.com; It's in 
very early stages though. At the moment I am creating the underlying 
technologies for the game and the virtual computer it runs on. Well, 
let's call it a virtual virtual computer since I use a very easy 
trick to simulate a virtual computer :p (the game is an MDI app, 
and "apps" in the game are just MDI windows)

well, there was a big shift in games about 2-3 years ago.  they where 
holding back because of a lot of older computers... but when vista 
came out  it had DX11 and computer users where forced to upgrade. 
 even those that didn't need to before.

I don't think I mentioned what I wanted the colours for - a progress 
bar. After consideration, I've pretty much decided that a large range 
of colours such as cooling metal might go through might actually 
be bad for the user interface (unless extreme measures are taken 
to make it really look like molten metal, like a computer game programmer 
might do), because all those colours might be confusing, and some 
of them (eg. red) may signal warning, etc. (especially if the user 
hasn't seen the progress bar before - I don't want to present the 
user with a circus of colours). Fading from white to solid blue is 
what I'm using at the moment, and I'm thinking white might be too 
bright.

Wow - you guys. This is very interesting, but, going too far for 
my purpose at the moment. I *really* like the idea of having the 
simplest, most robust code possible. Adding so many visual effects 
and detail is something for a computer game.

The value="" disables saved passwords. I don't want to have to load 
up my password database if I am on a trusted computer that I can 
just let the browser track my passwords.

Did you reboot your computer since you changed default browser?

And then I still wouldn't be able to use it on this computer - too 
much RAM and screen space.

Sunanda, agreed...

Basically there are for stream techs we need:

- Camera
- Computer screen
- Text
- Audio.

All of this needs to be captured.


Text is still BEST in AltME, it was designed for this, this is also 
a way to bring people into the fold.


Computer and Camera are not the same concept, since video is fine 
at 320x250 (even if stretched), while Computer needs to be exact. 
 


We still have some tweaking to do here, but this is coming together....

Remember that the procedural model of Postscript meant that a Postscript 
printer was a computer, and definitely a more powerful and more expensive 
computer than most people could afford. Even faking Postscript support 
required a computer of at least the same scale.