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I might miss some basic OS understanding. Guys, how do you work with 
all the path? I have JAVA installed, REBOL installed, yet what I 
am strugling with, is path. When I follow docs, it always seems to 
be easy. Docs state:


do/args %rsc.r "-dlib %bridges/java/JNIdemo.reds -o %bridges/java/JNIdemo"


well, for normal user, in order to try that, user needs to understand, 
he has to start Rebol for that. So there are basically two options:


- running REBOL from icon. Then you have to change-dir to where Red 
is - in my case, something like C:\!Rebol\Red

- I thought, I might use just "pressing ENTER" upon Red.r, which 
launches console for me. But above still will not work, unless I 
change-dir into red-system subdir. It should be imo either stated 
in the docs, or some shortcuts provided, e.g. red-system.r, allowing 
me to launch console directly in that subdir, and then above command 
would run just OK.


I am not stating anything is wronk, it is upon user to improve the 
workflow, but surely it is an obstacle for occassional user.

Now back to docs:

2. Compile and run the JNIdemo.java app from console:

        $ javac JNIdemo.java
        $ java JNIdemo


Well, when in console, my console does not recognise javac, nor java 
executables. Apparently a path problem, but I have JAVA installed 
via installer. So I have to go inside JAVA dir, which means:

cd c:\Program Files (x86)\Java\jdk1.7.0_21\bin\
javac c:\!rebol\!Red\\red-system\bridges\java\

Any tips? :-)

(compiler command-line option)

It's just one command line, at the bottom of their front page

Then the command should be correct. But you should upgrade Xcode 
first

You can start a script when you give its name on the command line, 
even a URL

On OS X, there should be a time command in the terminal

Click <start> and type cmd.exe another hint is to have a textfile 
at hand with a suitable cd command.

You just need to unzip it in a dedicated folder, install ADT (Android 
Development Tools) which contains both the SDK and Eclipse, install 
a JDK, open the project in Eclipse and compile it. For the Red part, 
there's a precompiled eval.red version in libs/armeabi/libRed.so. 
You can recompile it with the following command-line options: "-t 
Android -dlib". Ensure that you replace it with exactly the same 
name at the same place, then recompile the whole project.

I don't want to use Eclipse, nor any other SDK :-( Willing to use 
command-line tools as javac etc. Btw - I use Android Studio, so actually 
wonder, if I would be able to do it using it instead of Eclipse ...

Believe me, Eclipse is actually much easier to compile/build/test 
an android app than manually calling the command-line tools.

I don't know if I am using it correctly but I attempted to run the 
build.r file (w/o any arguments...I think it builds the "eval.red"). 
I end up with:
Signing apk...
'jarsigner' is not recognized as an internal or external command,
operable program or batch file.
Aligning apk...
Unable to open 'builds\eval-signed.apk' as zip archive

No console input command yet for Red or Red/System
prin "Number of sweets:" number-of-sweets: input
number-of-kids: ask "How many kids?"

Is the support planned? Will work nice with the kids sharing candy 
storyline making their program better.

SC is the service control manager command line utility

Geomol: I think encapped Red means that you can compile Red programs 
from the command prompt instead of having to launch Rebol2 and then 
compile the Red program.

I don't know, what do you mean? Full story of what? Well, maybe I 
will say it arrogantly - but Carl faced the reality we all were facing 
in our companies - if your tool does not fit the company's toolset, 
you might be tolerated, if it is open sourced or free. I remember 
my issues with my boss, trying to convince him why should I buy /Command 
to get access to shell and ODBC, if other free tools can do it. And 
that was it - REBOL lived in isolation and Carl, joining Roku, found 
out about the outer world working under different conditions of reality 
:-)

I had the same argument as you with a boss of a company, I did free-lance 
work for. I was able to convince them to buy REBOL/Command though, 
because the develop time went down by a factor 10 or so.


A bit along the same type or argument, I convinced a business partner 
of that company to implement XML-RPC instead of using SOAP based 
calling method across the internet. It saved us months of development 
time, and the other company could implement XML-RPC feature within 
days.


Just keep on arguing, also from a cost viewpoint. Don't give in! 
:) It pays.

Geomol - my boss bought me an SDK, because he know, that I would 
not program in anything else. It was not so expensive after all, 
not for a company running systems like SAP :-) I personally bought 
SDKs, Several command versions (prior to SDK), Pro version, and one 
IOS for 2K USD .... but nowadays I can state, that sponsoring stuff 
on voluntary basis is even better. So I actually put more money in 
Red than into REBOL SDK for e.g. :-)

I saw the discussion about windows path names.  If you need to convert 
a path to not have spaces then windows uses a tilde ~ for truncating. 
 To see your path converted just open a command prompt and type dir/x

I see your point, but it just raises some concerns in relation to 
REBOL. For example, /* is a valid refinement:

>> type? /*
== refinement!


So some might wanna make a shell command in REBOL to be used at the 
REBOL prompt, that reads /* as all the files in the root directory, 
like

	LS /*

That will not be possible, if /* is part of a comment.

this being said, if it can be done as part of your rewrite, the ability 
to run altme on command-line to be able to post to a group, would 
be VERY powerfull.

Component: "REBOL Mezzanine Extensions" 1.2.0 (1-Aug-2004/22:34:12)

Component: "REBOL Internet Protocols" 1.71.0 (4-Nov-2004/21:08:24)
Finger protocol loaded
Whois protocol loaded
Daytime protocol loaded
SMTP protocol loaded
POP protocol loaded
IMAP protocol loaded
HTTP protocol loaded
FTP protocol loaded
NNTP protocol loaded
Component: "Command Shell Access" 1.9.0 (3-Jan-2005/21:08:57)
Component: "System Port" 1.4.0 (1-Aug-2004/18:58:28)

well now i know better how to handle REBOL -> C and C-> REBOL the 
idéal thing could be a convert-reb-to-c multi type, multi size native! 
function in Command and in REbol/view Pro (I think it will be added 
to core any way than accessible if you have the licence.key file)

I figure, the problem is with strings, not with to-block or any other 
command.

write-io call-port command length? command
        read-io call-port result 4

Sunanda, what usually creates problems is the shebang line ending. 
If it's CRLF, the CR becomes part of the command line.

I am trying to add a newline to separate blocks of hashs I add to 
a file withe the save command.

[idkey: 1 objectname: "article" creator: "Lec, Norm" fulltitle: "Title 
1" pageread: "1"] {#"^^/"} [idkey: 2 objectname: "article" ...
with the line: append bib mold/all newline

Unfortunately I dont find the way to dispose the blocks in a pleasing 
format because the newline separating them is in source format.

I did try a dozen of combination with reduce, form mold and compose 
and the various newline forms I know ^/ "^/" but to no avail.

It shure is stupid but I am stock with this.  If I use write I am 
OK, but would like to learn the trick with save. Thanks.

uuoop, i don't know this command :-)

If you're familiar with a Unix command line, there are a lot of standard 
CLI and Curses apps you could use to fill the gaps

ok I'll have a look. Is there a tree command of some sort that can 
do the looking for me ?

No tree command in the standard distribution

Then I typed 'reboot', set my bios to boot from C only, and now it's 
just sitting with
	GRUB _
and a blinking command prompt, but no interactivity possible.

The thing to remember about the file system is that journaling works 
well, unless you had a lot of file activity just before hard booting. 
This can damage your file system. A good thing to do after heavy 
file activity like big copies or downloads is to issue a "sync" command 
in the terminal

It is missing important apps like CVS and SSH for instance, and I'm 
not a typical Linux user who can spend hours to find and download 
the GNU sources for an app, configure the build, and compile it.

 <--- don't know how Mandrake handles packages other than it's RPM, 
 but Debian handles these things in seconds with a single CLI command, 
 and it surely isn't necessary to hunt down sources manually. :-)

I always regarded Debian as a bit harder to start with but many times 
easier to maintain once it runs.

Shouldn't urpmi command be easy to use?

seems iptables can be changed on the fly from the command line. i 
guess you can switch things on and of, or just change them to what 
they are.

I thoght it's the nohup command but it stops anyway

I see that all platform have since 6-jun Base, Pro, Core and Command, 
but linux is missing Commandµ

Carl told that the command build for linux was done on 15-Jun, with 
Pro, Base and Core, but I cannot find it!!

www.rebol.net/builds/042 -- but, you are corrrect... I see no rebcmd 
there, just pro, etc. Will upload command soon (perhaps the transfer 
failed).

encap? that could be way to go ... but I am not sure what SDK I have, 
not probably /Command sdk - do I have shell enabled? :-)

All SDKs have shell, library and encryption. Command adds ODBC/Oracle 
and SSL (client side)

50mb and includes.. 


XMMS (MP3, CD Music, and MPEG), FTP client, Dillo web browser, links 
web browser, FireFox, spreadsheet, Sylpheed email, spellcheck (US 
English), a word-processor (FLwriter), three editors (Beaver, Vim, 
and Nano [Pico clone]), graphics editing and viewing (Xpaint, and 
xzgv), Xpdf (PDF Viewer), emelFM (file manager), Naim (AIM, ICQ, 
IRC), VNCviwer, Rdesktop, SSH/SCP server and client, DHCP client, 
PPP, PPPoE (ADSL), a web server, calculator, generic and GhostScript 
printer support, NFS, Fluxbox window manager, games, system monitoring 
apps, a host of command line tools, USB support, and pcmcia support, 
some wireless support.

Robert, you may find the right glibc rpm here: http://rpmfind.net/linux/RPM/index.html

Be sure to read about the different ones, so you get the right one.

You should be able to have more than one version of glibc installed 
at the same time (so everything will work). There are programs with 
GUIs in RedHat Linux to install rpms, or you can use the rpm command 
from the command line.

It's been a while, since I used Linux, and it can be a hazzle to 
update sometimes.

Q: How to know witch Distro I have in command line ? What is the 
command ?

robert, when you have circular dependencies the only way is to install 
both pkgs with the same command (i.e. rpm -i pgk1.rpm pkg2.rpm)

Rondon: I think he's referring to the fact that the Shebang, ( the 
first line of the CGI) is a Shell command to tell the OS to load 
the Rebol interpreter.

But I could be wrong.

Holy moly, I just changed the rebol command line switch to -csq (q 
to suppess usage) and the problem went away. I will upload to

http://www.johnsons-web.com/cgi-bin/test1.rso that you can see the 
difference.

what do you get calling it from the command line

The command line output is towards the end of my plea for help up 
above

IIRC correctly command can do that, without text. and there are some 
betas published, maybe they run?

Oh wait, I don't have the money for command. Drat.

I mean, I am getting okay results from the command line (no aborted 
message), but still get the same error message when run as cgi.

The Rebol Directory Project (www.rebolgique.net/rdir/) is an exemple 
of application developped with FastCGI and Rebol/Command. This application 
is in its early stage, but is intended to become a database with 
as much inforamtion as possible about the members of the rebol community...

well, rebol will take a url as a command line parameter

ah, but the console would have to get that command (wait 4) - do 
you think it is passed to it?

not sure what dependencies are there ..... there might be some library 
missing, as happened with my Command due to AGG

When I tried it, View seemed to want to try to install itself, and 
errored out when it tried to show an installation window. Various 
combinations of command line options were no help. I didnt try using 
old versions of view, or tricking view into thinking its already 
installed.

Ryan, are you sure that the -i or --noinstall command-line argument 
option does not help ?

usually PHP uses the sendmail command directly, not SMTP, so it can't 
be compared unfortunately (ie the fact tha php can send mails does 
not guarantee that rebol can). but, you could use CALL and call sendmail 
directly too if there is no other option.

this should the best way (I just don't remember the correct command)

my friend uses MSSQL with its command line tool ....

Even the command line tools connect through oledb or odbc.

If you have Command or the SDK write a wrapper using C Callbacks 
(google for that + rebol) and the /Library component

I read that you could start it from teh command line and get it save 
in .wav but I could not get it to work..


THere are a lot of annyoing things about vista...but I have it on 
my wife's laptop and I'm forced to use it now and again..

how is that? Core Command View ... how-tos, cookbook, reference to 
outer docs - e.g. Viktor Pavls rebol-tutorial (iirc he is a teacher 
too or something like that ...)

For example:



Find | Select | Pick | First | Second | Third | Forth | Fifth | and 
Sixth are all really the same command:


If you picture a master command with lots of settings (refinements) 
and even some conditional code (if refinement set, do x).

>> source send   ;you can get the source code of a function by using 
the source command.  Documentation is built-in.

Version 2.10.0 - Now with new command ImageStream which creates Sprite 
with sequence of images on each frame

Usage example is here: http://box.lebeda.ws/~hmm/rswf/example/mx-imagestream
(more will be soon)

And I have Import-swf command in the dialect (not documented yet 
as I still change it a little bit). I'm using it to include large 
animations made in IDE. As I have a caching mechanism already, I 
can include it in my dialect and control it in miliseconds, don't 
have to wait many seconds to compile all the animation in the IDE 
every time when I change a bit of a code.

Version 2.11.0 - Improved ImportStream command, new example here: 
http://box.lebeda.ws/~hmm/rswf/example/swf8-bbpositioner

Oldes, is there something special about the getURL command. I have 
a function in "doAction" and it clearly gets to it as the cmsg is 
displayed, but I can't get it to actually go to another URL. My flash 
settings are good because your "horse" link works. Any ideas? Thanks,

Alberto: AFAIK, that is correct. Only CLOACK if you don't have /Pro 
or /Command.

Louis - php uses its "own function", called iconv. AFAIK, iconv is 
unix utility, maybe you can use that command-line tool or maybe it 
is available as a library? Dunno ...

I found this: http://www-306.ibm.com/software/globalization/icu/downloads.jsp


Now I'll have to see if I can get it to work with REBOL Command SDK.

Documentation here: http://icu.sourceforge.net/userguide/icu.pdf

Does this look to you pros that it will work with REBOL command.

I do all of my command line scripting in REBOL, why not more?

Brett, I've noticed many of the code examples have small delays in 
between each command (eg. wait 0.1) which supposedly makes it more 
reliable. Don't know if that can help you.

just ask DocKimbel to release his xy years old version. He did not 
do that, because RT asked him not to do so. IMO fastcgi is not feature 
which would ruin RT sales. Except secure mode there is very little 
value in the rest of Command - outdated ...

for continous value in Command, you'd need something bigger. a different 
business strategy comes to mind.

Is there any way to get around the fact that Rebol faces are not 
native Windows "windows"? (i.e. don't have a handle on the system). 
Speech recognition command & control does not work with Rebol apps 
as long as that is the case and I need that...

Hmm.. the system port can be used to trap windows messages, perhaps 
if the command & control uses windows messages you can handle them 
that way... Can you give more information about the speech recognition 
software used ? (Is it MS software ? etc..)

Speech recognition command & control does not work with Rebol apps 
as long as that is the case and I need that...

 Terry claims speech recognition worls pretty well with his products.

is it in any way tied in with the SDK? is it possible to do /pro 
or /command stuff?

Not sure on that, I need to check with Carl....I think I understand 
your overall question though, can we make a version of the plugin 
that supports pro/command right?

I had this (wild?) idea that the plugin would be able to run normal 
rebol scripts, but with signed scripts encapped with the SDK would 
turn the same plugin into /Pro or /Command. I'm just brainstorming, 
but that would be a nice way to keep everything within one plugin. 
I don't know...

I have the sdk/command.

I agree with Maxim as well, there needs to be UI somewhere to stop 
automatic downloads.


With that said, is it possible to clean this whole thing up and reduce 
it to one place where you either have what you need or you don't.


Using Adobe Acrobat as an example, they have one plug-in interface.

When you download stuff, it asks you if you want any of the other 
modules Adobe has for you.  In fact a close friend of mine created 
one of those modules (Atmosphere), which is funny that Adobe's interface 
even asks if you want this, since almost no one know what Atmosphere 
is.


So a single consistent dialogue should pop up with something like 
this:

You have:

Rebol command 1.3 for OSX
Rebol view 3.0 for OSX

New modules that are available:    

[_] Rebol view 3.0 for OSX
[_] VID2 interface Alpha for OSX


[X] Always ask before downloading

[Skip] [Download all now]

Or take security/licensing......we could have the plugin DLL automatically 
download the correct version EXE (View/ViewPro/Command/etc.) based 
on the version the script requires (so the initial download could 
be quite small, with a "download as needed" architecture)

there's a -p command line option to set the listening port (80 by 
default). Example: cheyenne -p 8000

Maxim: I plan to support SSL natively in REBOL. I'm waiting for Carl 
to send me a test version of /Command with server-side SSL enabled. 
In the meantime, I recommand using a SSL proxy rather that Apache. 
See STunnel for example.

The SSL support will be available only in Cheyenne binary releases. 
You'll need a /Command or /SDK license to make it work with the sources.

Pekr: The protocol is not specific to Cheyenne, but you'll have to 
"extract" it from the module to be able to reuse it. But, we're talking 
about a FastCGI CLIENT implementation, and what you have in mind, 
I guess, is a SERVER implementation (like in /Command)...

It connect to a server application, like php-fastcgi or a REBOL FastCGI 
server built with /Command, or any other server accepting FastCGI 
clients. Then it sends the HTTP request and wait for a response back.

The trouble is with Windows, we still have no-solution. Command Windows 
fastcgi was never fixed - 'external mode is pretty useless

Doc: there is a SSL serverside command version (I know bcause I can 
see it...somewhere) so you should really push it.

On windows, a 2.6.2 Command version, no encap

does fast-cgi need /command license?

No, it's a client implementation of my own (/Command implements a 
server-side FastCGI protocol)

It's a command-line tool acting as a SSL daemon frontend for any 
server requiring SSL decryption.

There are 2 OpenGL implementations for REBOL already. One by Cyphre, 
that require REBOL/Command (I think), and mine requiring GLServer 
(compiled C program, only for OS X so far).