AltME groups: search

i've had the chance to chat with one of their developers.

can't remember some other products, I never saw it working in real-life. 
I just knew one consultant who did this kind of stuff and we had 
some chat about it.

This world is hosted by REBOL Technologies, and we are all guests 
here. When you create groups, please consider if they belong on this 
world. This should be mainly a technical world, focusing on REBOL. 
If you create a non-technical group, make it private and allow people 
to opt in.


Social and chat groups are welcome, this is our community after all, 
but please keep the signal-to-noise ratio high. 


If you are abusive or excessivevly confrontational, you may be removed 
from the world.

Happy REBOLing!

I think this falls into chat - non webpublic, non rebol :)

hi Carl!  long time no chat  :-)

Oops, we should be in Chat ... didn't notice.

moved to Chat;  we're kinda polluting the All group.

There was a lot written in R3 Chat.

Heading back to R3 Chat "world". Have a good weekend all.

as community we failled we failled to convince others to join us 
we even failled to convince the main God Guru to stay and keep doing 
things and why he don't do things nothing advance ... you can chit 
chat all you want about the bugs you find the way you want things 
to be done in the end since carl don't do them noone do them and 
that's just endless talk that even the first concerned stopped watching 
a long time ago guys think of it Carl 5 years ago invented a new 
Chat system to not have r3 project  disrupted by altme blablering 
...

Graham - I found Gavain's Mckenzie's scripts usefull some two years 
ago. I had also some chat with him, and it seems his work covers 
80% of usual programmer needs. You could build object with his code 
...

going to lunch, thanks for the chat ...

At the risk of moving the chit-chat conversion here, shouldn't  the 
result be 1 BC?


Perhaps  -1 would be an appropriate result to signify one year before 
the year zero rather than the year 65535 as at the moment.

regarding chit-chat, then you  need dates going  back at least  6k 
years, maybe even some billion!^^

regarding  bc,you have to figureoutwhen the  calendars changed. Andhaveto 
 agreewhich calendars to  use^^

we want the whole truth ,   NOW  ,  (sorry... chit chat seems to 
infect me somtimes)

Or,  say there is a chat window as part of the application.  How 
does one refresh the chat window without losing the focus on whatever 
the user is currently doing?

well, the data will be sent if there is a chat like aspect to it.

dont know. remember it from some chat. :)

I've got an area field and am using ^S to send text in my chat client. 

I clear the field with face/line-list: none, and face/text: copy 
""

but the cursor ends up not at the left edge.  How does one fix that?

I've got a new version (0.0.9) version of the chat client at http://www.compkarori.com/reb/

which incorporates Henrik's list ( not used yet though ), and Allen 
has added his link parser :)

** Script Error: case has no value
** Where: read-msg
** Near: case [
    parse clientmsg ['cmd set usercmd block!] [
        case [

            parse usercmd ['set-userstate set chat-users block!] [
                update-chatlist]]]

    parse clientmsg ['action set userblock block! set cmdblock block!] 
    []

    parse clientmsg ['chat set userblock block! set payload block!] [
        if error? set/any 'err try [
            payload: load payload
            insert tail payload now
            if all [payload/1 = "Eliza" f-10/data] [
                return]
            repend/only chat-list msgline: copy payload
            either viewed? chat-lay [

                f-chat/pane/size/y: append-msg reduce msgline f-chat/pane/size/y

                f-sld/redrag f-chat/size/y / max 1 f-chat/pane/size/y
                f-sld/step: 1 / max 1 (length? chat-list)
                if f-sld/data = 1 [
                    slide-chatpane 1]
                show [f-chat f-sld]] [
                display-chat/new 10x10]] [
            probe disarm err]]
    true []]
foreach channel chatroom-peers
>>

prelude to private chat.

synapse chat 0.0.16 at http://www.compkarori.com/reb/pluginchat9.r

hm... beer chat has locked up

just go and read plug-in chat from yesterday, you will understand 
:-)

Oldes reports this error in my chat client 

make object! [
code: 303
type: 'script
id: 'expect-arg
arg1: 'index?
arg2: 'series
arg3: [series! port!]
near: [index? find out-cols sel-col]
where: 'attempt

There was some work on a progress in "RebGUI" group arround 24-nov-2005.


For those who don't like setting Altme message limit too high (sync 
bug) there is :
http://membres.lycos.fr/didec/rebol/altme-chat-reader.r
Save it to your %Altme\ folder for easier use.

--->> Chat group.

I want to sound an audio cue for incoming messages if I don't have 
focus on the chat program

hmm, many ideas is lost with lots of surrounding chat ... maybe docs 
plus chat ....

i have 3 R3 consoles (one for the chat, on for test, one for... i 
don't remember)
I have 1 R2 console for testing

I only do it here. In R3 chat I move the messages.

I really need to get my R3 chat setup... I'm fearing loosing to much 
time if I start chatting there...

it's incredible how many people we never saw there are registered 
in R3 chat


   1 admin      Administrator              17d             [admin rank

   2 Carl       Carl Sassenrath            4:04h           [rank 80]

   3 BrianH     Brian Hawley               0:14h           [rank 70]

   4 Henrik     Henrik Mikael Kristensen   0:05h           [rank 70]

   5 btiffin    Brian Tiffin               3d              [rank 40]

   6 pekr       Petr Krenzelok             0:23h           [rank 50]

   7 feeds      Remote feeds               0:43h           [rank 10]

   8 Giuseppe   Giuseppe Chillemi          29:04h          [rank 40]

   9 Oldes      David 'Oldes' Oliva        0:01h           [rank 50]

  10 richard    Richard Westlake           29:59h          [rank 50]

  11 Graham     Graham Chiu                76d             [rank 50]

  12 tester     Example Tester             73d             [rank 10]

  13 Jerry      Jerry Tsai                 83d             [rank 50]

  14 Sunanda    Sunanda                    11:34h          [rank 50]

  15 Kaj        Kaj de Vos                 41d             [rank 50]

  16 DideC      Didier Cadieu              36:48h          [rank 50]

  17 maarten    Maarten Koopmans           102d            [rank 50]

  18 rebolek    Boleslav Brezovsky         61:27h          [rank 50]

  19 Robert     Robert M. Münch            6:30h           [rank 50]

  20 DocKimbel  Nenad Rakocevic            111d            [rank 50]

  21 cyphre     Richard Smolak             16d             [rank 50]

  22 giesse     Gabriele Santilli          122d            [rank 50]

  23 Gregg      Gregg Irwin                3:35h           [rank 50]

  24 Brent      Brent Fessler              51:13h          [rank 50]

  25 Edgar      Edgar Tolentino            52d             [rank 50]

  26 acook      A. Cook                    122d            [rank 30]

  27 Allen      Allen Kamp                 58d             [rank 40]

  28 Steeve     Steeve Antoine             0:01h           [rank 40]

  29 warp       Will Arp                   99d             [rank 40]

  30 joshua     Joshua Shireman            109d            [rank 40]

  31 Paul       Paul Tretter               12d             [rank 40]

  32 mick       nicolas schmidt            92d             [rank 30]

  33 PeterWood  Peter W A Wood             4:54h           [rank 40]

  34 sean       Sean C. Johnson            5:32h           [rank 40]

  36 fergus     Alan Macleod               11d             [rank 30]

  37 sqlab      A.Reisacher                3:17h           [rank 40]

  38 qwerty     michal tarkowski           60:38h          [rank 40]

  42 ErosZ      Eros Zoltan                108d            [rank 5]

  44 RobertS    Robert Shiplett            26:44h          [rank 40]

  45 rchifflet  G. Robert Shiplett         108d            [rank 30]

  46 perekk     Perekk                     28d             [rank 30]

  47 whispa     Jon                        108d            [rank 30]

  48 manum      Manuel Moreno              22:10h          [rank 40]

  49 mchean     Michael Chean              18d             [rank 40]

  50 claude     ramier claude              108d            [rank 30]

  52 kib2       kibleur christophe         56d             [rank 40]

  53 adrians    Adrian Sampaleanu          40:37h          [rank 40]

  54 jocko      Joseph Colineau            37:56h          [rank 40]

  55 ken        Kenneth Collins            3d              [rank 40]

  56 kealist    Joshua Shireman            76d             [rank 40]

  57 abolka     Andreas Bolka              3d              [rank 40]

  58 icarii     James Marsden              16d             [rank 40]

  59 Ammon      Ammon Johnson              19d             [rank 40]

  60 jimrichard Jim Richards               70d             [rank 30]

  61 garya      G A                        74d             [rank 30]

  62 pavel      Pavel Kebort               7:36h           [rank 40]

  63 franck     Franck Le Bihan            23d             [rank 30]

  64 claudebe   ramcla                     43d             [rank 30]

  65 Geomol     John Niclasen              22d             [rank 40]

  66 arthur     Arthur Chang               10:10h          [rank 40]

  67 zap        Ben Brannen                25:28h          [rank 40]

  68 gerard     gerard cote                61d             [rank 40]

  69 gagee      gagee                      73d             [rank 30]

  70 horscht    Reinhard Hochstein         72d             [rank 20]

  71 hasy       darek                      72d             [rank 20]

  72 nicka      Nick Antonaccio            72d             [rank 40]

  73 rebkodeur  Oehler                     72d             [rank 20]

  74 scottt     Scott Thode                31d             [rank 40]

  75 patrickp61 Patrick Potter             27:50h          [rank 40]

  76 iho        Ingo Hohmann               16d             [rank 40]

  77 bobik      Robert Paluch              69d             [rank 20]

  78 cipri      ciprian                    42d             [rank 30]

  79 shadwolf   Alphé Salas-schumann       16d             [rank 20]

  80 cwardell   Charles Wardell            67d             [rank 20]

  81 ernst      Ernst Niska                5d              [rank 40]

  82 rod        Rod Gaither                66d             [rank 40]

  83 digipal    digipal                    66d             [rank 20]

  84 awi        awi prayitno               8d              [rank 30]

  85 rich       Richard Blundell           60d             [rank 40]

  86 onetom     Herman Tamás               45d             [rank 20]

  87 anton      Anton Rolls                5d              [rank 40]

  88 jjmmes     jose                       59d             [rank 20]

  89 nicolas    longjacket                 58d             [rank 20]

  90 blazs      Blaz Segavac               7d              [rank 30]

  91 tw00167789 Liou ChinMing              7d              [rank 20]

  92 cindy      Cindy Sassenrath           52d             [rank 60]

  93 ssandrew   andrewng                   47d             [rank 20]

  94 mario      Mario Cassani              46d             [rank 20]

  95 th72       Tim Hendriks               46d             [rank 20]

  96 JohanAR    Johan Aires Rastén         4d              [rank 30]

  97 philippe   Philippe LE GOFF           44d             [rank 20]

  98 fatemanme  jonathan                   43d             [rank 20]

  99 wffsg2008  examele tester             43d             [rank 20]

 100 tk         neo                        37d             [rank 30]

 101 bardo      bardonnenche               42d             [rank 20]

 102 minkui     minkui cai                 40d             [rank 20]

 103 mikoden    Nicolas Schmidt            12d             [rank 30]

 104 fraya      Fernando Raya              23d             [rank 20]

 105 nicolasf   Nicolas Fournier           31d             [rank 30]

 106 goldevil   Karim El Founas            39d             [rank 20]

 107 louis      Louis A. Turk              38d             [rank 20]

 108 andyc16us  Andy Cragg                 37d             [rank 20]

 109 che        Christian Ensel            3:26h           [rank 30]

 110 jankom     Janko Metelko              36d             [rank 20]

 111 alanwall   Alan Crandall              35d             [rank 30]

 112 kensinglet Ken Singleton              34d             [rank 30]

 113 bga        Bruno Albuquerque          29d             [rank 10]

 114 aiwen      aiwen ming                 28d             [rank 10]

 115 james-nak  James Nakakihara           28d             [rank 40]

 116 gaagaaga   Y.C. Ling                  27d             [rank 10]

 117 morler     Morler                     27d             [rank 10]

 118 devl       Lennart Fridén             26d             [rank 10]

 119 brondoman  Greg Brondo                26d             [rank 10]

 120 ladislav   Ladislav Mecir             1:13h           [rank 50]

 121 scot       Scot M. Sutherland         15:21h          [rank 40]

 122 meijeru    Rudolf W. MEIJER           3d              [rank 30]

 123 czoller    chris zoller               11d             [rank 30]

 124 rfenske    Robert Fenske              11d             [rank 30]

 125 cofyc      Cofyc Jackson              7d              [rank 10]

 126 jackseay   Jack Seay                  4d              [rank 10]

 127 kuler      Keith Robertson            4d              [rank 10]

 128 kpeters    Kai Peters                 3d              [rank 10]

 129 acasado    alberto casado             3d              [rank 10]

 130 giancarlo  Giancarlo Valente          8:52h           [rank 10]

the list is public anyway by curtesy of R3 chat webversion.

But in the interim I'd lost my AltME password, and Rebol's community 
had become something of a moving target anyway.  So I looked at R3 
chat.

moving to Chat, I guess?

My point behind this forward/backward compatibility chat is primarly, 
that I'd like to see a way to stop average user on accidently loading 
old scripts on R3.  I'm sure the top-100 gurus of Rebol can dance 
their way around differences at will, but at the moment R3 (and R3/view) 
is released there will (hopefully) be considerable number of new 
users for Rebol.


Secondary would be giving an idea of a toolkit ( lint like script 
for Rebol  or perhaps some debug-mode at runtime? )  that would allow 
developer to see which parts of the code needs to checked/rewritten 
for R3 compatibility.

Joanna: "My point behind this forward/backward compatibility chat 
is primarly, that I'd like to see a way to stop average user on accidently 
loading old scripts on R3." - this issue already exists even in R2 
- there already are scripts, that work in older versions of R2, but 
not in the newest one (ask Peter, how many of his tests have problems 
in the latest R2), and, vice versa, some scripts written for the 
newest R2 don't work in older versions

This is a great example of where these docs NEED to be a WIKI!


Then we can come along and break this down, give more than one example, 
and put notes and dicussion (chat) with it.

Anyone with an R3 chat account with enough rank can update the official 
manual. You get rank by knowing what you're talking about and not 
being a jerk who wants to mess things up. Not difficult criteria 
to achieve, so far.

That's why we have two wikis, so the manual can become more official, 
like a book. We only want answers in the manual. We have other places 
for questions: The community wiki, chat, CureCode.

After this month the plan is for "R3 chat" to be an obsolete term, 
since R2 will have it too. Just "chat" I suppose, or DevBase.

Reichart, CHAT shouldn't be a barrier to entry. We are trying to 
make it more accessible.

CHAT in this case just being the function that brings up a DevBase 
client - it doesn't even implement the client itself.

Brian, who is currently working on  a new chat client ?
You annouced that several times but...

I plan to write an R2 chat client this month (with as much help as 
is made available). At first it will be a clone of R3 chat, but there 
is nothing in the DevBase server API that requires the clients to 
be in text mode.

Hmm I really shoudl try to use R3 , at least to see that chat..

Reichart, CHAT shouldn't be a barrier to entry. We are trying to 
make it more accessible.


The key to me here is once Carl "ok"s this one thing, then the rest 
of us can "help".

(delay, phone call) I agree about the input system, definitely, which 
is one of the reasons I encourage people to write their own chat 
clients. I'm not too good at writing REBOL GUIs, and don't have a 
web server to host a client. DevBase could work very well with a 
web client interface, afaict, if someone wants to write one of those. 
Heck, it's scriptable enough to integrate with Qtask, in theory.

The current chat client interface works well enough for me, but that's 
likely an outlier thing.

Most of the other PARSE docs are strewn amongst the conversations 
where we just redid the whole thing lately. It was quite a project. 
Those discussions are in the blog comments, CureCode and that parse 
project wiki, very little in chat.

I prefer R3 Chat (and WIP wiki) Carl did, because there is user ranking, 
and only users of certain ranking can do changes. Maybe it can be 
done with the MediaWiki too, I don't know ...

About 53 MB chat files in the REBOL 3 world alone... a lot.

In any way, you are imo wrong. Since the mid of december, we can't 
see any single release, nor any single question towards extensions 
aswered on R3 Chat. This is not to criticise, but to state facts 
- the development of R3 is imo not happening right now ...

David, you might also want to look at the r2-forward script by BrianH 
- it's intended to retrofit a good amount of the newer R3 functionality 
into R2. You can dowload that using R3 chat.

My Russian is pretty basic ... but sometimes OK for chat as I read 
more than speak .. gets me by listening to Serb and Czech films (no 
ethno -lingual flames, SVP :-)   Polish should come next once I settle 
in here  ( also relatively easy for IT chat )

thnks guys really gr8 community unfortunately my timezone says:go 
to bed or don`t bother at all" :D so i will leave the pc now but 
i will leave the chat on if i think os something in my sleep

Reproduced it, very odd. Looking at it now ...


re dynamic translations. Reading Gabriele's comments in the chat 
group on his TRANSLATE func got me to thinking we could do something 
similar, as in:

	display "Test" [
		button "Old Text" [face/text: translate "New Text" show face]
	]


'translate would return a string translation if passed a string, 
otherwise a block of translated strings if passed a block.

Pity Jaime can't code up a chat program now ...apparently he was 
going to do this while at Devcon during his talk.

skype has chat inbuild too, that works.

A language shootout on an actual application - such as building a 
p2p chat that passes thru school firewalls - would be more useful.

maybe we should switch to more "reliable" and proven tools as IRC? 
:-) Even back in 96 I do remember moderated Amiga shows on IRC, where 
hundreds of ppl were logged to chat with Amiga representatives. IMO 
in fact it is a mistake of organisers not scheduling e-QA session 
with Carl ... that should imo become natural part of such events 
...

i've taked a closer look to this dll also i've put some comments 
in Plugin chat, as i said there this dll exports only a couple of 
functions it's more like open an instance of the exe nothing too 
intresting in this dll, BTW carl yes the dll is there,  but what 
about the wrapper to use it ?

No, not really - lot's of questions, because my personal experience 
is, that the most interesting news are usually being said behind 
the scenes, during non-formal chat, banquet etc. - and those ones 
will not be covered by your video :-)

Yup, I suggested this in detail at the DevCon.
The question is, how public to make it?


We could Use Qtask right now for this.  Use the Project Chat to discuss 
features, and the Tasks to outline specific items.

With Qtask, you can assign Carl as the Doer (LOL), and you can set 
yourself as a watcher so that if there is any action on a task you 
know about it.

Cons:


Qtask is by invite only right now (which makes it a bit a elitist, 
which I apologize for).


It is a slow interface, although it will get faster each month, until 
we reach the point it has client apps, which will be very fast.

posted the link to kib2's cheatsheet in Chat/R3/Docs. we'll see if 
Carl likes it.

I asked on R3 chat and got this answer:


Re #3821: T won't make it to the final distribution - it's for the 
test phase.
It's not even documented. I expect that the function 
will go away inn the code
reorganization.

test the chat:
http://logan.logansteeve.operaunite.com/the_lounge/lounge.html

Hardly any chat here anyway these days ...

I think the development of Boron is a bit of a shame. The effort 
should be directed towards R3 instead.


Isn't diversity a good thing in many cases? There isn't really any 
other REBOL-like, modern, internet-ready language out there used 
at large. (I also think about the "despair and anger" about programming 
languages, that was linked in the "Chat (not web public)" group.) 
I think, competition might actually be a good thing in this situation.


I was looking for, what project "Wildman" really is/was, and I found 
this page:
http://www.rebol.com/priorities.html

That's written 5-January-2007. I think, language competition is needed.

Geomol - sometimes I wonder about your ignorance(?), sorry. You are 
very clever guy, so I really wonder, what is the reason to hear argument 
like in point 2) Henrik is right - who is more informed than the 
community members? I remember the time when Carl invited me to R3 
GUI world. You all gurus were there, yet he had to invite person 
like me (causing a noise many times), because of lack of input. So 
what are we complaining to? Replies to blogs are similar matter. 
Just don't tell me, you are not informed.


Te link to beta project plan - http://rebol.com/r3/docs/project.html
was posted here, was posted in November status update IIRC. Twitter 
message says, Carl is working on Host code NOW. Yesterday we posted, 
that Carl reported on R3 chat succesfull separation of Host vs kernel 
and that he is working on MinGw support. The host code is being worked 
on NOW.


So how can you post argument like you posted in point 2)? Isn't it 
a bit ignorant and disrespectfull to those who care to work on R3? 
How much support do you expect? I do care to remind Carl to update 
blogs, we do care to spread info even here, yet you claim "do you 
expect ppl to wait forever?". 


And even more so - do YOU expect anyone to wait for mysterious ORCA 
like project to be closer than R3 is? ORCA actually IS open sourced, 
for many years. How is that it did not bring competing environment 
to R2 at least to date? (not to mention its architecture is arcane 
compared to what R3 provides us?)


We are really small community. Everyone of us, can weight his own 
free time. So now decide for yourself, where do you put your free 
time REBOL wise. Boron, or R3? As for me, the answer is clear - my 
energy goes to project, which currently has chance to be completed 
in close future. Splitting our efforts at this stage can't bring 
anything usefull imo ...

For people reading this, that might not know. There was a R3-Alpha 
AltME world running from june 2007 with lots of discussion incl. 
many well known REBOL developers. The chat take up more than 9 MB 
of disk space. Activity died out early this year, and some of it 
continued in R3 chat.

The reason for it dying out? Carl created R3 chat and moved there. 
Many didn't follow, I guess.

The reason was that AltME didn't turn out to be a good tool for having 
a focused development discussion. Add more than 5 people and it degenerated 
into useless flamewars. This is why a separate R3 world was created 
with just 5 people in it, until we could get to the point of creating 
a development communications infrastructure that would be able to 
handle more developers. That was R3 chat (formerly known as DevBase) 
and CureCode (formerly planned as BugBase, but implemented by a third-party 
instead).

Geomol - please stop complaining about R3 alpha or R3 GUI world. 
You were one of the invited top developers, yet you was one of those 
failing to provide a feedback. I remember how you all preferred to 
chat about science here, instead of providing any reasonable input. 
So what actually are you complaining about?

Talk in R3-Alpha started 3-Oct-2008. The reason R3-Alpha didn't get 
much attention? I guess, the same reason many didn't went to R3 chat.

I named the group wrong. I should have written:


Talk in R3-GUI started 3-Oct-2008. The reason R3-GUI didn't get much 
attention? I guess, the same reason many didn't went to R3 chat.

Better to ask Carl on R3 chat and or directly using feedback or submiting 
it as a wish on CC -> www.curecode.org/rebol3/

Facebook opened its chat system to 3rd clients. Now it is clear it 
is based on Jabber's XMPP protocol. Now who does Jabber protocol 
for REBOL? :-)

I'm going to move my reply to ~ Chit Chat

I'm going to move my reply to ~ Chit Chat

yes, perhaps move to chat.

We should not also forget the driving force, which Carl once was. 
Even if Carl would release Android compatible dll, it might not be 
enough, if he does not show to the outer world, that R3 development 
is vital. And not updating twitter since November, ditto for blogs, 
R3 Chat (few messages here or there does not hide the facts) speaks 
for itself ...

My chat program based on Maarten's rubgy used swatch time

don't know. there is a live chat here:

http://ing.dk/live

but this is mostly in Danish.

That was the whole RAMBO group chat made short :-) Now the longer 
version ....

Sorry, forgot yours Anton; so much chat here lately.

I think this chat also applies to the general interface to apps, 
and how you expose commands. e.g. how you would programmatically 
control an app; think ARexx.

More coding less chat please!!!!

I have heard that you, Cyphre and Carl had some chat about new VID? 
Is there any consensus? Or, path-to-follow defined? Will it be your 
proposal implemented?

that probably mean at least one thing - you are part of early testing 
group. So, now off to private chat and prepare for being investigated 
:-)

As most ppl from here are already in alpha world, I suggest releasing 
for the rest of this world. I could even imagine voluntarily prepare 
some summary of tests/opinions/bugs in special channel here, so that 
Gabriele or others could bring it to alpha world, to prevent flooding 
main testing group with lots of chat ....

Gab, do you think Rebol could support one of those online real time 
multi-player sites with chat like Yahoogames?  Perhaps using LNS 
?

anyway - this discussion has nothing in common with initial ideas, 
so regard it just being a normal chat, not that I try to suggest 
what is more important. Once again - my mention of protocols was 
there only for the case, if Carl would not agree to "full" release, 
so I just mentioned it, what could be completed in some sane time-frame 
and released e.g. for Christmas, nothing more. That is no more valid 
or so it seems, but we will see what next week brings to the table 
:-)

Nah, that's chat, isn't it?

I should note that it is a bit preliminary. RT did not accepted me 
as a community representative. It is just that I chat with Carl from 
time to time and he seems to listen to some ideas. Not just mine 
ideas, but from other ones too.

For those not being on r3-alpha world. R3 development was "resumed". 
Not that it was halted, but I hade private chat with Carl for few 
days, and we got into agreement into how to proceed. I wonder, if 
I am working as an marketing RT guy already? :-) Well, it was nice 
and realistic chat. We identified, that priorities have to be sorted. 
And I suggested Carl to blog about it. Developers were polled for 
the priorities, and we found out, that there are mostly two groups:


- one that prefers View/VID plus schemes being done, so that ppl 
can continue with their app development

- and the other group, who would like to have surrounding infrastructure 
implemented. You probably will not be surprised I belong to this 
group :-) 


As for infrastructure, I simply asked Carl, if we get any improvement 
to dll component, and he admitted, that that might be task for us, 
using plug-in API - simply a cleaner and abstracted aproach. But 
- in order for plug-ins to work, we need modules. So - the next focus 
is to get module system working. It is a logical step imo.


RT working on modules does not mean VID should be halted. VID (whole 
View) will be most probably fully open source, so it is more of a 
community aproach. Ah, and we were scared a bit by consideration 
of dropping of R3. Due to architecture changes for R3, Rebcode might 
not be so fast as in R2, but developers said their NOOOOOO, so I 
hope Rebcode will come too in some form :-)


Ah, and as developers complained a bit about rebol console, Carl 
said well then, as you wish, and uploaded C source code for stdio 
device into DevBase.


Guys, my belief is, that things will start to move faster and faster 
with DevBase and cooperation.


Disclaimer: none of above is direct quote from my talks with Carl. 
It is just my understanding of current situation ....

Kaj - yes, it is going to happen. In fact - I had some private chat 
with Carl, trying to explain him, that we should do something concrete. 
That is why I pushed for core-like release sooner, than full View 
release later, while initially most other users were against my proposition. 
Carl decided, that it will be that way. The plan was set, and now 
Carl is heading towards the core-like initial alpha release.

Check your private chat then.