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to-binary treats its input as a string -- not a number -- and converts 
each byte to it's hex ASCII respresentation  -- not ar all an intuitive 
meaning for to-binary.
Even worse, perhaps is
>> enbase/base "23" 2
== "0011001000110011"

which appears to have converted to binary. But, again, it's the ASCII 
for "2" and "3" not the binary for 23.

>> debase/base to-hex 23 16
== #{00000017}

I've tried the recent linux alpha on Fedora Core 2 (redhat) and it 
works great - seems to be a debian base issue - has anyone tried 
it on a sarge build?  I've tested an old woody build and a new woody 
build with the same hang result.

execve("../rebol2558042", ["../rebol2558042"], [/* 18 vars */]) = 
0
uname({sys="Linux", node="dino.local", ...}) = 0
brk(0)                                  = 0x809b000

old_mmap(NULL, 4096, PROT_READ|PROT_WRITE, MAP_PRIVATE|MAP_ANONYMOUS, 
-1, 0) = 0x40017000

access("/etc/ld.so.nohwcap", F_OK)      = -1 ENOENT (No such file 
or directory)

open("/etc/ld.so.preload", O_RDONLY)    = -1 ENOENT (No such file 
or directory)
open("/etc/ld.so.cache", O_RDONLY)      = 7
fstat64(7, {st_mode=S_IFREG|0644, st_size=51977, ...}) = 0
old_mmap(NULL, 51977, PROT_READ, MAP_PRIVATE, 7, 0) = 0x40018000
close(7)                                = 0

access("/etc/ld.so.nohwcap", F_OK)      = -1 ENOENT (No such file 
or directory)
open("/lib/tls/libm.so.6", O_RDONLY)    = 7

read(7, "\177ELF\1\1\1\0\0\0\0\0\0\0\0\0\3\0\3\0\1\0\0\0\2405\0"..., 
512) = 512
fstat64(7, {st_mode=S_IFREG|0644, st_size=141236, ...}) = 0

old_mmap(NULL, 139712, PROT_READ|PROT_EXEC, MAP_PRIVATE, 7, 0) = 
0x40025000

old_mmap(0x40047000, 4096, PROT_READ|PROT_WRITE, MAP_PRIVATE|MAP_FIXED, 
7, 0x22000) = 0x40047000
close(7)                                = 0

access("/etc/ld.so.nohwcap", F_OK)      = -1 ENOENT (No such file 
or directory)
open("/lib/tls/libc.so.6", O_RDONLY)    = 7

read(7, "\177ELF\1\1\1\0\0\0\0\0\0\0\0\0\3\0\3\0\1\0\0\0\200X\1"..., 
512) = 512
fstat64(7, {st_mode=S_IFREG|0644, st_size=1270908, ...}) = 0

old_mmap(NULL, 1281292, PROT_READ|PROT_EXEC, MAP_PRIVATE, 7, 0) = 
0x40048000

old_mmap(0x40176000, 36864, PROT_READ|PROT_WRITE, MAP_PRIVATE|MAP_FIXED, 
7, 0x12d000) = 0x40176000

old_mmap(0x4017f000, 7436, PROT_READ|PROT_WRITE, MAP_PRIVATE|MAP_FIXED|MAP_ANONYMOUS, 
-1, 0) = 0x4017f000
close(7)                                = 0

old_mmap(NULL, 4096, PROT_READ|PROT_WRITE, MAP_PRIVATE|MAP_ANONYMOUS, 
-1, 0) = 0x40181000

set_thread_area({entry_number:-1 -> 6, base_addr:0x401812a0, limit:1048575, 
seg_32bit:1, contents:0, read_exec_only:0, limit_in_pages:1, seg_not_present:0, 
useable:1}) = 0
munmap(0x40018000, 51977)               = 0

rt_sigaction(SIGCONT, {0x804b6c4, [CONT], SA_RESTART}, {SIG_DFL}, 
8) = 0

rt_sigaction(SIGTSTP, {0x804b67c, [TSTP], SA_RESTART}, {SIG_DFL}, 
8) = 0

rt_sigaction(SIGINT, {0x804b700, [INT], SA_RESTART}, {SIG_DFL}, 8) 
= 0

rt_sigaction(SIGTERM, {0x804b700, [TERM], SA_RESTART}, {SIG_DFL}, 
8) = 0

rt_sigaction(SIGHUP, {0x804b700, [HUP], SA_RESTART}, {SIG_DFL}, 8) 
= 0

rt_sigaction(SIGCHLD, {0x804b718, [CHLD], SA_RESTART}, {SIG_DFL}, 
8) = 0
socketpair(PF_UNIX, SOCK_DGRAM, 0, [7, 8]) = 0

clone(child_stack=0, flags=CLONE_CHILD_CLEARTID|CLONE_CHILD_SETTID|SIGCHLD, 
child_tidptr=0x401812e8) = 21686
close(8)                                = 0
brk(0)                                  = 0x809b000
brk(0x80be000)                          = 0x80be000
brk(0)                                  = 0x80be000
brk(0)                                  = 0x80be000
brk(0x80eb000)                          = 0x80eb000
brk(0)                                  = 0x80eb000
brk(0x810c000)                          = 0x810c000
ioctl(0, TCGETS, {B38400 opost isig icanon echo ...}) = 0
ioctl(0, TCSETSW, {B38400 opost isig -icanon -echo ...}) = 0

open("/etc/termcap", O_RDONLY)          = -1 ENOENT (No such file 
or directory)
write(1, "R", 1)                        = 1

Oh, sorry, I don't know how many are not loadable in rebol.org. I 
just loaded my entire source base after fixing one that was unloadable.

Guys, is there any strategy of how to distinguish R2 vs R3 script 
base? I know that there are header/library fields available, but 
apart from that, I expect almost zero compatibility between R2 and 
R3 script base, and users might be confused, why scripts don't work 
for them? Would R2 vs R3 script-base split be a good idea?

Thanks for the advice and debugging.
I'll look at it more seriously tomorrow.

Meanwhile, does this experimental option make it bettter or worse:

    http://www.rebol.org/download-a-script.r?script-name=base-convert.r&mode=andreas

enbase/base #{...} 16

I have a problem with parse not terminating the parsing. Here is 
my code for parsing CamelCase words:

rebol []

; CamelCase Test


test-text: "FirstWord test. This is a CamelCase test Text. CamelCase2 
is the base idea for a WiKi. CamelcasE"

upper-case: charset "ABCDEFGHIJKLMNOPQRSTUVWXYZ"
delimiters:	charset " .,;|^-^/"
rest-chars: complement union upper-case delimiters

text: ""

parse/all/case test-text [
	some [

   copy camelcase-word [upper-case some rest-chars upper-case any rest-chars] 
   (
		 	if not empty? text [?? text clear text]
		 	print ["CamelCase word found:" camelcase-word]
		)

  | copy flowtext [any [rest-chars | upper-case] any delimiters] (
			append text flowtext
		)
	]
]

halt

rebol []

; CamelCase Test


test-text: "FirstWord test. This is a CamelCase test Text. CamelCase2 
is the base idea for a WiKi. CamelcasE"

upper-case: charset "ABCDEFGHIJKLMNOPQRSTUVWXYZ"
delimiter:	charset " .,;|^-^/"
rest-char: complement union upper-case delimiter

text: copy ""


camelcase-rule: [some [upper-case some rest-char upper-case any rest-char] 
delimiter]

parse/all/case test-text[
	some [ 
			copy camelcase-word  camelcase-rule
				(if not empty? text [?? text clear text]
		 		print ["CamelCase word found: " camelcase-word]
				)
			| 
			copy flowtext upper-case 
				(append text flowtext)
			|
			copy flowtext[any [rest-char | delimiter]] 
				(append text flowtext)
	]
]
halt

I am not sure about protocol handlers either ... I start to not understand, 
what is rebol - it is not language, nor it is stand-alon platform 
... I want clean design ... Base + SDK is the answer imo ...

Base == Platform imho

Seems one can enable passwords on a per-user-base? search on the 
page: 
mysql> SET PASSWORD FOR
-> ['some_user'-:-'some_host'] = OLD_PASSWORD('newpwd');

Uniserve is one of our base framework  (both for internal use and 
for our customers), so we're working on it actively.

We're moving to a new C library over the course of several releases. 
After introducing the new GLibC in the previous release, this time 
all of the Syllable base system is recompiled on top of the new library. 
The old C and C++ libraries are still included for compatibility 
with older POSIX applications, but the old versions of the higher-level 
Syllable and AtheOS libraries have been removed. This means that 
native Syllable applications should be recompiled. Several of us 
are currently releasing new versions of our applications

Yes, you can install on an extra partition. Same way as you could 
install in an emulator: you need to download the base Syllable package 
instead of the CD

The boot floppies are old. They may not contain the unzip executable 
that you need to unpack the Syllable base package. You may be able 
to extract unzip from the base package and add it to the floppies, 
or put it on a FAT partition and mount that from the floppies

Did you find the base zip and the floppies yet?

You don't extract the CD, you extract the base zip archive

So that's the base feature set. The Syllable wrapper around it is 
not very featureful yet

No, we couldn't. It would have to be open source. There's no point 
in Syllable being open source if we would accept closed source into 
the base system

We're now officially out of the 0.5.x series, which were meant to 
update our base technology and were thus fairly chaotic. We now have 
a good development platform for the innovations that we have been 
planning

there is a tailor.r in my folder on developer. it polls the tail 
of a file and calls a callback which each new line. uses /skip on 
file. may be a base for a daemon

Oldes you can retake rkini.r script for base your pluginised client 
...

Can anyone tell me where is rebol/cmd 2.5.125 on rebol.org/builds/ 
for linux??? On 15-Jun there are only Base, Pro and Core. But no 
command!

I see that all platform have since 6-jun Base, Pro, Core and Command, 
but linux is missing Commandµ

Carl told that the command build for linux was done on 15-Jun, with 
Pro, Base and Core, but I cannot find it!!

Dont know that eally well myself. what i firued out: usually (debian, 
suse) startup-scripts are in /etc/init.d. on debian there is a /etc/init.d/skeleton 
as base for own script. then there are the runlevels in /etc/rc?d/. 
links there go to /etc/init.d/ an tell the system what to start/stop. 
the numbers in the filenames are the priority, lowest run first. 
Usually there is a gui-tool like yast or ksysv which scans /etc/init.d/ 
for scripts and makes the appropriate links. tricky things are to 
write the startup-script, to figure out which runlevel to use and 
how the os figures out what to stop. although if you dont need that 
runlevel smartness, because you call it on boot and let it be killed 
by shutdown, you can just use a normal bash-script.

well in fact the problem is that rebol have been désigned more to 
be a cgi engine than  a real service / deamon capable  system. It 
depends too if  your REBOL application have been wrapped (REBOX,GREBOX, 
SDK/ENCAP,PAYLOAD) . With a wrapped version it's easier to run ...

I made for windows a Dyndns client in REBOL witch runs automatically 
on startup using register base  HKLM\SOFTWARE\Microsoft\Windows\CurrentVersion\Run. 
For linux /etc/rc*d files works like bash script.

http://www.gentoo.org/proj/en/base/amd64/howtos/index.xml?part=1&chap=2
thats how to run 32bit on 64bt gentoo. not too easy, but possible.

Maybe we should use something like 'liquid to base VID+ IPC upon 
:-)

We have a template based dynamic site here at work,  we use a base 
page to define the common logic, we use CSS "templates" to define 
the areas of different pages... the above code is Template 3 area 
3, which is the body area for a page that has a header, left navigation, 
body, and footer area.

CSS Workflow -- easy: create a concept based on information needs; 
plan how to acheive this with the box model; create a base HTML template 
and build up styles around that, incorporating background images 
as required; then test and revise, test and revise, test and revise, 
etc.  Simplified somewhat.  Basically the same as any legacy HTML 
project, only easier.

Carl sounds like 1.3 is new base for everything. so i hope IOS and 
SDK will follow quickly.

An updated REBOL/Base for some platforms was uploaded to where they 
put the View alphas/betas.

/Pro and /Command too. Base and Pro are part of the SDK.

I think /Base is for general distribution.

I wish. Betas of it have been freely distributed, but there is not 
yet any place that you can download a release version of Pro, Base 
or Face seperate from the SDK. It was suggested to Carl that Base 
be ported to more platforms (particularly WinCE) and he seemed to 
think it was a good idea.

I'm sure we'll see when the SDK is released, and I hope that Base 
is released seperately, and for every platform that has Core since 
it is basically a subset of that. It would help immensely on WinCE, 
and there must be other platforms that have memory requirements almost 
as low, such as embedded Linux.

Base is a little smaller (~250K), but that's close enough. If you 
need GUI stuff, it will be around ~550K minimum (using rebface) or 
~650K using all of view and VID..

Unless Carl has a way of stripping out rebol/base from the binaries 
...

Difficult, as trying to map:


 "I'll take base and not include any of the networking mezz source"

to:


 "Encap using latest rebview but exclude all the graphics and networking 
 code *I* know I'm not going to need"

doesn't sound too easy to me.

Ashley - as Graham said - use Base/Face ... include your mezzanines. 
Most of the time they will be compatible

Its the sdk, so security maybe is not such an issue? Runs only your 
own code, not rebsites. But Gabrieles suggestion would be best: when 
releasing alphas, build /base /face etc too.

1) Terminology: I'm starting to gravitate towards Window, Face, Attribute, 
Widget and Feel.

2) Widgets: will have simple VID-like names; e.g. button, icon, image, 
bar, progress, etc ... I'm compiling a list of the required base 
widgets and will publish here for discussion when done

3) Facets document: updated 'restore, 'activate and 'edge/image descriptions

4) Vincent's 'progress widget ... exactly what I was after; added 
it to next build

Did I miss anything? ;)

First stab at a list of required base widgets

	area
	bar
	box
	button
	check
	droplist - text display + drop-down list
	editlist - edit box + drop-down list
	field
	groupbox - encloses a group of gadgets in a titled border
	icon
	image
	list – single column
	listview – multi-column
	progress
	radio
	scrollbar

 spliter – a “spliter window” which affects the width / height and 
 position of other gadgets
	tab -  arranges multiple gadgets into logical groups
	text
	slider
	treeview

 updown – scrollbar minus the bar (used with a field to increment 
 / decrement numbers, etc)
	menu
	popup-menu - context menu
	status – status bar with one or more “segments”
	toolbar


The aim is to have as few widgets as neccessary to build the majority 
of required GUI's. Take a look at the applications you use on a day 
to day basis, what widgets do they use? Are they in the list above? 
How are they named? Are there any widgets in the above list we can 
do without? (not that *someone* won't need it, just that it isn't 
common enough to be part of the base widget set).

Latest release, incorporating all the above changes, available at: 
http://www.dobeash.com/files/RebGUI-012.zip

Documentation also significantly expanded to include:

	- Latest REBOL/View facet observations
	- Glossary of terms
	- Licencing section
	- RebGUI Display User's Guide
	- RebGUI Widget Designer's Guide

Get it here: http://www.dobeash.com/it/rebgui/


My intention with RebGUI is to foster a community project that can 
deliver a credible alternative to VID, with my role being one of 
project leader / sponsor. The licence stuff is just to clarify my 
legal position and the rights of contributors and users. I'm looking 
at how to enable co-operative development (using IOS) but this can 
wait until the base design has stabilized. It's just too easy to 
fork efforts at this stage. All of this is still Alpha so if there 
is anything you disagree with (technical, documentation or legal) 
then please raise it here and I'll do my best to accommodate your 
concerns.


I want this whole process to be as open as possible, but without 
the pitfalls of "design by committee" where nothing gets done! ;)

Pekr: "What is the concrete plan, if any?" ... shadwolf was on the 
mark.

1) Create a set of base widgets with the desired *functionality*
2) Select a look & feel to approximate
3) Apply this look & feel *consistently* to all base widgets


Vincent is correct when he says we should discuss this sooner than 
later as look & feel can effect how a particular widget is implemented. 
As an example, a 'button widget trying to mimic WinXP might use multiple 
images and / or effects to mimic the various states a WinXP button 
can be in; while a minimalistic approach might just make use of 'edge 
and 'effect to toggle between several states.


I'm leaning towards a minimalistic yet modern look & feel (perhaps 
even PDA-like) so put any useful links / comments / opinions / designs 
here for folks to look at. Here's one to get the ball rolling: http://projects.o-hand.com/matchbox/screenshots.html

Asley I know that it. But that's not beacause RT is working on it 
too that we can't work on it right now with yet existent technologies 
and try to figure out how to do it with the limited capabilities 
(bacause we don't have aaccess to entire VM source code) we have. 
In futur once we yet trully have a working solution and VM will have 
officiallly the new technology AGG we could help Carl on TDM  by 
apporting our RTE/IR (ritch text editor input renderer) code to him. 
it's a base of search for us but it means to be one implicitly for 
Carl If we want to save his time and focus it on the important things 
we have maybe to take in charge some od research work  ;)

I think list must be  multi colum is good, so multi colum must have 
a title (enable/disable), row design (enable/disable), sorted capability 
when clicking . Row is capable to display text, images, progressbar, 
checkbox, button all kind of widgets. Maybe as base we must have 
a dialect to format heavyly the content

Robert

 1) Widget observations: all noted. LED is the read-only functional 
 equivalent of 'check used for things like system status displays, 
 etc

 2) Tabbing (basic version) is slated for 0.1.8, more advanced features 
 will have to wait until the base widget set is complete.

 3) DATA is a required structural element to ensure widget specific 
 initialization is performed by init *not* the display function.

 4) Implicit face usage has two big advantages: a) allows you to cut 
 and paste code between widgets; b) different widgets can share the 
 same code.

 5) RebGUI still lacks a few of the more complex list / table / menu 
 / treeview type widgets.

 6) Re: new projects. RebGUI is still ALPHA and the basic design may 
 fluctuate as the requirements of more complex widgets becomes clearer. 
 I wouldn't be building any commercial applications based on it quite 
 yet (not until it goes beta at least).

Pekr

 1) Also remember that VID was created against a much earlier version 
 of View, and that it is only recently that View functionality has 
 stabilized. One example of this is the extensive use of 'draw by 
 RebGUI compared to VID.

 2) Tabbing, like key mapping, is less of a technical issue than a 
 convention issue; but my aim is to be able to "drive" all RebGUI 
 widgets both with and without a mouse (although the priority is to 
 get the mouse behavior right first).

in the LNS big picture it's says that LNS is the base systeme for 
VIEW 2.0 etc so why not associate carl to the discution and see what 
he plan for View 2.0

Last thing the pointer is slow on hudge text because of this F***King 
mad system base on caret  to handle the cursor position you store 
the current text that belongs after the cursor Writing and rewriting 
every time into this caret buffer the most part of the document is 
super slow  !!!

OK, integrated arrow style plus proto-type widgets that use them 
can be found here: http://www.dobeash.com/files/arrow.r(thanks to 
Chris & Gregg for the base arrow code).

I changed this line:
if not find ti: third third :in port! [append ti port!]
to:

if not find ti: first find/tail third :in 'word port! [append ti 
port!]
to be able run uniserv in Rebol/Base

If the internal representation is an object-base tree, what are the 
barriers to the 'get-elements-by-tag-name function?

For sure we shouldn't try to simply port something. But maybe it's 
anyway better to see what Christophe (Coussement) is doing (or his 
team). But XOM as a base for ideas might not be bad, as it's well 
designed based on some simple principles which I would sign at least. 
But it's completely object oriented, so there might be a more Rebol 
like way to go - don't know.

What I would be interested to know is how Christophe is going to 
handle Unicode files? There are some scripts to help converting utf8 
and the like, but I can'f oversee right now how well this will work.

But if you have 10 or more you can collect them, maybe they print 
some report (time, errors etc.) and you avoid things like this: carstens 
removes a "load", it works for him, but breaks another piece of code. 
And often nobody writes test scripts/code. And the test scripts, 
if available, are always a good code base to learn how the real script 
should be used. I'll look into rebol-unit (but only tomorrow)...

<xs:complexType name="MessageType">
<xs:sequence>

<xs:element name="Header" minOccurs="1" maxOccurs="1" type="HeaderType" 
/>

<xs:element name="Body" minOccurs="1" maxOccurs="1" type="BodyType" 
/>
<xs:element name="Error">
<xs:complexType>
<xs:sequence>
<xs:element name="Code" minOccurs="1" maxOccurs="1">
<xs:simpleType>
<xs:restriction base="xs:string">
<xs:pattern value="600|601|602|900" />
</xs:restriction>
</xs:simpleType>
</xs:element>

<xs:element name="DescriptionCode" minOccurs="0" maxOccurs="1" type="an..3" 
/>

<xs:element name="Description" minOccurs="0" maxOccurs="1" type="an..70" 
/>
</xs:sequence>
</xs:complexType>
</xs:element>


If I have the schema looking like this ( no examples I'm afraid ), 
is something like this what I have to generate
<header> ... headertype .. </header>
<body>
<error>
<code> 600 </code>
<Descriptioncode />
<Description />
</error>
</body>

Here is the snipped of XMl:   <?xml version="1.0"?>

<xts:sports-content-set xmlns:xts="http://www.xmlteam.com"query-date-time="20090724T011802-0400" 
query-string="http://fod.xmlteam.com/api-trial/getDocuments?doc-ids=xt.9140271-box"
hostname="fod.xmlteam.com" result-count="1" error-count="0" elapsed-time="64.2ms"><sports-content 
xmlns:str="java.lang.String" xmlns:dt="http://xsltsl.org/date-time"
xmlns:xts="http://www.xmlteam.com"xmlns:exsl="http://exslt.org/common"
path-id="baseball/l.mlb.com/event-summary/xt.9140271-box" xts:systemid="MLB_Boxscore_XML" 
xts:tsnid="9140271">

  <sports-metadata xmlns:fs="java.io.File" date-time="20090323T193000-0400" 
  doc-id="xt.9140271-box" xts:tsnslug="AAX%BOX-LOS-ANA" language="en-US" 
  revision-id="l.mlb.com-2009-e.26882-event-stats-sportsnetwork.com" 
  fixture-key="event-stats" document-class="event-summary" fixture-name="Box 
  Score">

    <sports-title>Boxscore: LA Angels vs. Los Angeles</sports-title>
    <sports-content-codes>

      <sports-content-code code-name="The Sports Network" code-key="sportsnetwork.com" 
      code-type="publisher"/>

      <sports-content-code code-name="XML Team Solutions, Inc." code-key="xmlteam.com" 
      code-type="distributor"/>

      <sports-content-code code-type="sport" code-key="15007000" code-name="Baseball"/>

      <sports-content-code code-type="league" code-key="l.mlb.com" code-name="Major 
      League Baseball"/>

      <sports-content-code code-type="season-type" code-key="pre-season"/>
      <sports-content-code code-type="season" code-key="2009"/>

      <sports-content-code code-type="priority" code-key="normal"/>

      <sports-content-code code-type="conference" code-key="c.national" 
      code-name="National"/>

      <sports-content-code code-type="conference" code-key="c.american" 
      code-name="American"/>

      <sports-content-code code-type="team" code-key="l.mlb.com-t.11" code-name="Los 
      Angeles Angels"/>

      <sports-content-code code-type="team" code-key="l.mlb.com-t.28" code-name="Los 
      Angeles Dodgers"/>

      <sports-content-code code-type="action-listing" code-key="complete"/>
    </sports-content-codes>
  </sports-metadata>
  <sports-event xmlns:fs="java.io.File">

    <event-metadata xmlns:xte="www.xmlteam.com/xte" date-coverage-type="event" 
    event-key="l.mlb.com-2009-e.26882" date-coverage-value="l.mlb.com-2009-e.26882" 
    event-status="post-event" duration="2:58" start-date-time="20090323T160500-0400" 
    xts:game-of-day="1">
      <sports-content-codes/>
      <event-metadata-baseball/>
      <site>
        <site-metadata>
          <home-location/>
        </site-metadata>
        <site-stats attendance="8704"/>
      </site>
    </event-metadata>
    <team>
      <team-metadata team-key="l.mlb.com-t.28" alignment="away">
        <name first="Los Angeles" last="Dodgers"/>
      </team-metadata>

      <team-stats score="4" score-opposing="10" event-outcome="loss">
        <sub-score period-value="1" score="1"/>
        <sub-score period-value="2" score="0"/>
        <sub-score period-value="3" score="0"/>
        <sub-score period-value="4" score="3"/>
        <sub-score period-value="5" score="0"/>
        <sub-score period-value="6" score="0"/>
        <sub-score period-value="7" score="0"/>
        <sub-score period-value="8" score="0"/>
        <sub-score period-value="9" score="0"/>
        <team-stats-baseball>

          <stats-baseball-offensive runs-scored="4" at-bats="36" hits="9" rbi="4" 
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This setup will be for software development and remote administration. 
It can be a big box, but I'm not opposed to docking a small machine, 
as long as I can use a good monitor and my ergo-keyboard.


What are your favorite setup configs? Have multiple monitors helped 
you? Lots of disk space? An in-house NAS? etc. On the software side, 
what general infrastructure bits do you use? I like Reichart's drive 
model, and have used it very well with Ghost and Partition Magic, 
but haven't gone to PGP or TrueCrypt (yet).


Hardware wise, after setting up a machine with a fast SAS drive, 
man, that's appealing, but expensive. What kind of KVM do you like, 
or do you avoid them (my epxerience is mixed)? Do you like separate 
machines or VMWare? Do you like a Mac base, and emulation, or a real 
Windows machine? Any converts from Win to *nix? Build your own, or 
who do you like these days? Plain Jane, or something special like 
they build for traders? Silent PC? Mini?

What have you tried that didn't work out?


Space is not an issue. I have a huge old surplus desk that will hold 
anything.

if you make an actuall product, i guess your base contributors would 
like some money too.

(i guess licensing could be a very good base for a soap opera, thought 
:)

property and robe are the base of our culture read the bibble it's 
full of those deprecated concepts ...

I make a base code but now I have to find a good code to exploit 
the relevent datas from the object tree

I should also comment:

These rebcode releases are intended to focus on the VM and opcodes 
themselves, plus the lower level expressions ("assembly code") necessary 
to make that happen.   We are not focusing on higher level expression 
methods (e.g. compiler) at this time.  We assume that many such things 
will happen (from many sources), but for now, we need the base VM 
to be solid first.

log base b (x) = log (x) / log (b)

Will be there any new Rebol/Base build? The last one is from year 
2004:(

I forked and did a lot of cleaning and rebolifying, but I think Benjamin 
must be real busy or on holiday, because I've been waiting for his 
email for a while. Also, the more I worked on it, the more I wanted 
to check the basis of code. Maybe there is better library than disphelper 
to base on ? I don't know because I didn't check yet. Anyway, I will 
most l likely continue with my fork as is.

...it should not be a luxury item either that you have to pay for

 Well, this all depends on the conditions.  You can expect this as 
 free stuff in Java world with much bigger developer base. But I don't 
 believe anyone here in our small comunity have enough time/resources 
 to spent hunderds hours on such project just to make some people 
 from the comunity happy and provide solution for their commercial 
 app for free ;)

I guess that's also why they now have Google Base.

I don't know which is better, or which will win, but both systems 
are not the best or desired final design in my opionion.


We need a completely open/free base that is a webased standard all 
devices can and do support by default.

  MySQL 5.0 Adds Features for Enterprise Developers and DBAs
by Ken 
  North

Baseball legend Satchel Paige is famous for having said 

Don't look back, something might be gaining on you." Companies selling 
a commercial SQL database management system (DBMS) know its MySQL 
that's gaining on them. With an already large installed base, MySQL 
is set to attract new users because of the feature set of version 
5.0. It includes capabilities for which developers have often turned 
to commercial SQL products.


The purposes for which we use personal, mobile, workgroup, departmental, 
enterprise and web databases are diverse. Application requirements 
are a primary determinant of the capacity and features we need from 
an SQL DBMS. For example, a high-volume transaction processing web 
site places greater demands on a database than a contact list manager 
for laptops and small business servers.


A Web Techniques magazine article, "Web Databases: Fun with Guests 
or Risky Business?" discussed features that characterize an industrial-grade 
SQL DBMS. It explained SQL security and mission-critical databases, 
defined as


    "A database is mission critical if its lack of data integrity has 
    serious consequences, such as causing the loss of customers or even 
    lives."


Maintaining data integrity is implicit -- that's a prime directive 
for a DBMS. The article explained other features that enterprise 
developers look for in an SQL platform:


    ... mission-critical applications require features such as intrinsic 
    security, transaction journaling, concurrency controls and the ability 
    to enforce data integrity constraints. Without those features, you 
    do not have secure, robust databases. Connecting a database to a 
    Web server adds other requirements, such as a multithreaded architecture 
    and the ability to do database backups without taking the server 
    down.


    Freeware and PC DBMSs are suitable for certain classes of applications, 
    but not for high-volume Web sites and mission-critical databases. 
    In any case, don't bet your business, or lives, on such software 
    unless you have the source code and the expertise to understand and 
    repair it.


Since that article appeared in print, improvements to MySQL have 
removed the "not ready for prime time" label. Features described 
in that article are now available to MySQL users:

    * transactions
    * concurrency control, locking, SQL standard isolation levels
    * intrinsic security
    * integrity constraints
    * thread-based memory allocation.

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MySQL uses separate threads to handle TCP/IP and named pipes connections, 
authentication, signaling, alarms and replication. The combination 
of threaded architecture and MySQL clustering provides powerful parallel 
processing capabilities. MySQL can process transactions in parallel 
with separate connections on separate processors using separate threads.
MySQL Milestones


A decade of development has moved MySQL out of the bare-bones DBMS 
category, enlarged its user base, and turned MySQL AB into a profitable 
company. One of the important milestones was integration of the InnoDB 
engine with MySQL 4.0. That upgrade gave MySQL multiple tablespaces, 
tables greater than 4GB and support for transaction processing. Other 
enhancements included OpenGIS spatial data types and hot backups. 
The latter enables a DBA to perform a backup without taking the DBMS 
offline. Hot backup software is available as a commercial add-on 
for databases using the InnoDB storage engine. 


MySQL 5.0, the newest version, is a major milestone. There have been 
enhancements to the tool sets, storage engines, types and metadata. 
 MySQL 5.0 includes features enterprise developers have come to expect 
from commercial SQL products. 

    * capacity for very large databases
    * stored procedures
    * triggers
    * named-updateable views
    * server-side cursors
    * type enhancements
    * standards-compliant metadata (INFORMATION_SCHEMA)
    * XA-style distributed transactions
    * hot backups.


MySQL has a demonstrated capacity for managing very large databases. 
Mytrix, Inc. maintains an extensive collection of Internet statistics 
in a one terabyte (1 TB) data warehouse that contains 20 billion 
rows of data. Sabre Holdings runs the oldest and largest online travel 
reservation system. It replicates 10-60 gigabytes per day from its 
master database to a MySQL server farm. The MySQL databases are used 
to support a shopping application that can accommodate a million 
fare changes per day."

Google/base is yet another uniquely simple offering from google that 
completely changes everything.

All your base are belong to Google

maybe it is a pity rebol can't do union and join on more per record 
base, but per item base ...

db/base-dir: %data/

RebDB does have a built in client / server mode if that will help. 
  db-client.r  can talk with SQL.r from just about anywhere.  Or 
try  set path  with an ftp url, it may just work, never tried but 
looking at the code and the use of base-dir it seems like a reasonable 
chance of success.

Correct,

	db/base-dir: ftp://user:[pwd-:-ftp-:-site-:-com]/public_html/
	db/lines?: false


The second line will help minimize the amount of traffic by turning 
line breaks off.

Table location is a global setting, so no. You can run two copies 
of %db.r (with different base-dir settings), but they won't share 
the same memory space.

I find that the db/base-dir is getting set to the directory from 
which the db.r is loaded.  Is this behaviour intentional?

>> what-dir

== %/Users/peter/Desktop/RebDBTest
/
>> do %~/Code/Library/Rebol/RebDB-202/db.r

Script: "RebDB server" (14-Jan-2006
)
== none

>> what-di
r
== %/Users/peter/Desktop/RebDBTest
/
>> db/base-di
r
== %/Users/peter/Code/Library/Rebol/RebDB-202/

they base their work on mySQL-protocol.r, which is imo BSD, or not?

I prefer Cal's version as it adds one word to the global context:

	set-tracing

as opposed to:

	sqlite-close
	sqlite-error
	sqlite-exec
	sqlite-open
	sqlite3
	SQLITE_BLOB
	SQLITE_DONE
	SQLITE_FLOAT
	SQLITE_INTEGER
	SQLITE_NULL
	SQLITE_OK
	SQLITE_ROW
	SQLITE_TEXT


and tightens up some of the code; so I'll use it as the base to optimize 
from. One of the things I want to add is automatic type conversion 
so you can store and retrieve REBOL values without having to worry 
about the fact that they may be stored as TEXT in SQLite.

What I don'T like about sqlite is that 1) it uses binary storage 
and that 2) it uses all-in-one-file aproach. I know it is low level, 
but I prefer directory/one-file-per-db aproach of RebDB kind of cool 
... I can watch/backup small dbs on per file base, not on going into 
sql base, to find out what internally changed ...

The file shouldn't be that much bigger--not like going from Base 
to CommandView--so I'd say include everything needed for commercial 
use. Of course, this opens up security questions too (e.g. lib access).

maybe using the checksum of a script as the base dir, which is hard-coded 
as the root path of your script.

with the same base class, you can create 3 kinds of nodes.

I finally started playing around with liquid.r   Having a little 
trouble conceptually with converting code that contains objects into 
the data-flow model.  For example, I was fiddling around with a D&D 
character generator.  I have an ABILITY! object class that I'm trying 
to convert to the model now.  SUM is just a function that adds up 
all the values in a block


ability:  [[1 -5] [2 -4] [3 -4] [4 -3] [5 -3] [6 -2] [7 -2] [8 -1] 
[9 -1] [10 0] [11 0] [12 1] [13 1] [14 2] [15 2] [16 3] [17 3] [18 
4]]
ability!: make object! [
	base: 0
	modifiers: [0 0]
	total: does [base + sum modifiers]
	ability-mod: does [ability/(total)/2]
]


It may be a lot to ask, but would it be possible for someone to convert 
this to liquid, so I can actually see how one creates this kind of 
hierarchy in data flowprogramming.

whoops, base needs to have a value above 0 in that example

the dataflow takes care of calling any aspect which are built up 
from linked nodes.  basically, you build up a stylesheet by connecting 
nodes together and can branch off at any point, simply reusing the 
previous styles as a base... the cool thing is that the styles aren't 
absolute, you can define more than one style for a single state, 
so that a series of nodes can handle only the edge, others the color, 
yet you can include both in another style  (in my case, the base 
style has both)

just thought I'd share this list I built while coaching someone in 
using liquid last night...

SANITY PRESERVING KNOWLEDGE WHEN USING LIQUID:
--------------------------------------------


#1:  liquid isn't a bully  - liquid shares its state, but asks for 
data (pulls, observes, etc) from its subordinates ("parents"), not 
the other way around (it doesn' push or force feed, like a highly 
inneficient signal messaging engine).


#2:  liquid is lazy by default - unless a plug or one of its observers 
 ("children") is stainless, nothing will process automatically (thus, 
faces usually are set to stainless, so that they refresh automatically).

#3:  liquid has several computing modes in a single base class.  
  * linking is for once sided dependencies
  * piping is for inter-dependencies or synchronisation
  * containment is for data storage
  * linked-containment is for processed data storage   


#4:  liquid mutates - plugs automatically change computing modes 
when you call some methods like linking, piping and filling.  depending 
on the order of these operations, a plug may "stick" to its previous 
computing mode.  e.g. a piped node remains piped, even you attempt 
to link it to something.


#5:  liquid is alive - remember that as you are setting up a liquid 
network, your plugs will start receiving messages as you are building 
up the tree, meaning that the process() (and other) functions might 
be triggered before every expected connections are done. always verify 
the integrity of the data before starting the process.  (i just got 
stumped by this one again, 5 minutes ago).


#6:  liquid is a collection of droplets - each plug should do one 
thing or manage one step of a process.  the more you break up the 
network, the better you will be at making it stable, reusable, flexible, 
and fast.


#7:  liquid is highly memory efficient - !plug uses shared classes. 
 so all the liquid operations are in a sub-object called a valve. 
 Thus, when you call internal functions, remember they are within 
the valve, and you must supply the plug as its first argument.  my-plug/valve/stats 
my-plug


#8:  liquid is volubile - its slim-based verbose & indented console 
printing engine (vprint) is YOUR BEST FRIEND.  use it profusely, 
to understand the chain of events and what the hell is going on.

SANITY PRESERVING KNOWLEDGE WHEN USING LIQUID:
--------------------------------------------


#1:  liquid isn't a bully  - liquid shares its state, but asks for 
data (pulls, observes, etc) from its subordinates ("parents"), not 
the other way around (it doesn' push or force feed, like a highly 
inneficient signal messaging engine).


#2:  liquid is lazy by default - unless a plug or one of its observers 
 ("children") is stainless, nothing will process automatically (thus, 
faces usually are set to stainless, so that they refresh automatically).

#3:  liquid has several computing modes in a single base class.  
  * linking is for once sided dependencies
  * piping is for inter-dependencies or synchronisation
  * containment is for data storage
  * linked-containment is for processed data storage   


#4:  liquid mutates - plugs automatically change computing modes 
when you call some methods like linking, piping and filling.  depending 
on the order of these operations, a plug may "stick" to its previous 
computing mode.  e.g. a piped node remains piped, even you attempt 
to link it to something.


#5:  liquid is alive - remember that as you are setting up a liquid 
network, your plugs will start receiving messages as you are building 
up the tree, meaning that the process() (and other) functions might 
be triggered before every expected connections are done. always verify 
the integrity of the data before starting the process.  (i just got 
stumped by this one again, 5 minutes ago).


#6:  liquid is a collection of droplets - each plug should do one 
thing or manage one step of a process.  the more you break up the 
network, the better you will be at making it stable, reusable, flexible, 
and fast.


#7:  liquid is highly memory efficient - !plug uses shared classes. 
 so all the liquid operations are in a sub-object called a valve. 
 Thus, when you call internal functions, remember they are within 
the valve, and you must supply the plug as its first argument.  my-plug/valve/stats 
my-plug


#8:  liquid is volubile - its slim-based verbose & indented console 
printing engine (vprint) is YOUR BEST FRIEND.  use it profusely, 
to understand the chain of events and what the hell is going on.

I'm not sure, if you can run it from Rebol/Base, you may try it.

is is parse base, each rule consist of a match block!, a transform 
block! and a logic! to continue thru next rule or break

Carl said he'll discuss R3 licensing/pricing later.. let's hope for 
some fresh air in this area, or I'm afraid R3 will become a specialty 
application for a very narrow user base, with a specific agenda.
3:20 a.m. here.. signing off.. enjoy the rest of the conference.

bse = base

obviously within each successive game session or "world" there needs 
to be consistency, so that your agents can aquire a sense of meaning 
base on how they perceive your agents.

For the Icons at the top: Blue = Crystal Mines, Green = Forests, 
Red = Gold Mines.  These are your base resources that reproduce each 
turn.  They create stockpiles of Energy, Wood and Gold respectively. 
 These stockpiles are used to activate cards in your hand.


card.png is the 'hidden' or deck card face.  This is used to hide 
the computer's cards and the deck and discard piles.  card1.png is 
a sample of the format that the card images are in.  This can be 
used as a basis for creating new cards to the correct size.  (86x64 
pixel size with a 7x7 pixel offset into the card1.png template). 
  I have a card editor that can add in the card details to match 
their stats etc.


Regarding image names - ill compile a full list and place it on the 
website later today once i finalise the deck size :)

Gabriele;  altme has no facial expressions.  Few get how jokey or 
how serious a posting may be.  The eyes and intonations make for 
at least half of the meaning.  It's my personal opinion that people 
can't drive well with cell phones due to the 3.4 kHz audio range; 
too many brain cycles are being used to fill in the missing intonations. 
  It takes a leap of faith in many posts when technical information 
is being discussed.  If people could see the look of fear and confusion 
that I usually express while typing something, I'd feel better that 
I wasn't leading people down the garden path when offering opinions 
and advice; my brain would know that they would know I was talkin' 
out my ass.  :)  So in short; in person is best by far, video is 
a distant second, audio even further down the chain and text way 
down at the bottom.  So given REBOL's awesome international user 
base, if I can't make DevCon, gimme viddies.