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'format has a name clash with the undocumented 'format though

Hmm.  good question!  I must have loaded up a 'format from somewhere 
else ...

Looking at the code for the scripts you link to there, it looks like 
they could use a little cleaning up and optimising. Still, nice!

Formatting problem on this page ?

http://www.rebol.org/cgi-bin/cgiwrap/rebol/view-script.r?script=ftpgadget-package.r

;;  To download and install the files in the package you need to
;;  run a installation program.  

;;  If you are running View (1.3 or later):

    do http://www.rebol.org/library/public/repack.r

;;  If you are running Core:
 

    do http://www.rebol.org/library/public/repack-core.rhalt
         ; <------ space missing

What version is FTPGadget expecting? ran main.r and got
** Script Error: away needs a value
** Where: context
** Near: move: offset: over: away:

There is a bug in Repack script.


Each time I use it and I try to set the target directory, then clicking 
OK in the selection window terminate the script !!
ANNOYING !!!

Note : I launch Repack by typing this in the console (by example, 
while trying to get QML-ED) :

do http://www.rebol.org/cgi-bin/cgiwrap/rebol/download-a-script.r?script-name=qm
l-ed.r

Thanks for the error report.

It works for me.....At least on the versions of REBOL I am running.
What rebol.exe or view.exe are you running?
---

As a stop-gap, you could try running repack-core.  it's an ugly console-only 
version of repeck, but it should be less version-sensitive:
   do http://www.rebol.org/library/public/repack-core.r

starts, but a %template.html is missing.

Thanks.
That looks like a different problem to DideC's.

Your problem seems to be a traditional REBOL annoyance with paths 
that contain spaces....

qml-ed.r is tripping up over those spaces in "Dokumente und Einstellungen 
"
---

Could you try it in a folder whose path and name do not contain spaces 
to test that assumption?  Thanks!

looks more like a missing file to me.

Tried download again, there is a bug:
|| Downloading:   qml-ed.r/RS-NE+.gif
|| REQUEST FAILED...
|| REBOL.ORG says file not in package

seems the "+" is a problem? (Overlokked that message the first time)

You replied as I was typing....
I think you may be right.......

Looks like the downloader has failed to find the files that contain 
a + in the file names.

Must be -- + in the HTTP spec is escaped to a space at times. So 
i suspecet we're creating or receiving badly escaped URLs in this 
case.

but a "+" in a filename looks weird anyway :)

That's true -- and it may recreate some cross-platform issues on 
platforms that don't allow + in a file name.
But we should be able to deal with it.
Thanks for the help in isolating the problem.

A bigger errormessage would be good, and some hint on upload.

The upload obviously worked -- "+" is not an illegal file name character 
on either Edgars machine or REBOL.org's current host

The notes on contributing a packgae do have detailed guidelines on 
file naming to avoind problems -- see 2.1 here:

http://www.rebol.org/cgi-bin/cgiwrap/rebol/boiler.r?display=cons-upload-package-files-help.html

But, of course, the author probably wrote the application before 
they had any idea it might be rolled out as a package for use on 
a wide range of platforms.
***

The bottom line is that + ought to work in a file name for the downloader, 
so I'll get it fixed.

View 1.3.2.3.1 on WinXP.
%user.r only contains set-net line.
%rebol.r contains nothing but the header.


I have tried it too from the WWR ( rebol.com / Public / library / 
scripts / type / package / calendar-install.r  cause qml-ed is not 
there for the moment).

Just click the [ ... ] button to choose a different folder, then 
clicked [ OK ] and it quits !!

the image and css files where not done by me, and although i had 
some suspects while uploading them to rebol.org i didn't want to 
change everything just for that :) i can add a zip file to the package 
if you need me to.

we have looked at it and at the same time looked at phpsavant 
 http://phpsavant.com/yawiki/index.php?page=StartExample


for us, our key concerns is maintenance from the developer point 
of view. We want the team to stick to one language (or markup)... 
there will be times in a project, that you may not have the luxury 
of a designer...so the developer still end up working on the apps 
GUI (or look-n-feel).

I still work faster on vi(m) than nvu.. have tried that in a recent 
project... old habits die hard

Max has a web site builder .. don't know how much separation he has 
achieved though as he has never released it

You can see a brief overview of Remark (Maxim's site builder) here... 
http://www.rebol.it/~steel/retools/remark/index.html

Is there a reason you don't have it publicly available?

you can basically have the artist doing the pics and layout, and 
 a developper doing the code part...

something I was waiting for anvil to make less of a job...

I've seen what it can do, even as a Alpha.  We need it. ;-)

Well, there are plenty of web site building tools .. and sometimes 
a huge learning curve to get what the demos show.

well anyone wanting to pull up his sleeves a little and who doesn't 
mind getting started by chatting over the course of a week, to figure 
out things is welcome to try it out.   Remark is my most finished 
tool of all.  It has been release level for a long time...

practically, you could VERY easily add a tag (like in an hour or 
two or receiving remark) which lets make-doc add the content within 
your site which is comprised of m-d formated text...

I send a zip and can give guidelines, then after a little while you 
come back with a few questions and maybe someone can document the 
stuff...

that is also why I am only logging on to altme once or twice a week, 
unless I really have a reason to...

ok then... let me create a group for Remark and maybe that can be 
used as a common chat room.  then whoever feels enclined to do so 
can just compile the stuff in whatever means he like and we can start 
some collaborative work on the beast...

I'll zip it, post it on my steel site, and I'll actually give out 
the steel web site as an example to work from... note that it has 
VERY advanced capabilites within its retags, but I guess its a good 
way to show how scalable the engine really is....

post info tomorrow.  (its already 1h00 AM here, so I've got to log 
off, and work a bit on liquid before I get some shut eye)

To Web guru : is it possible to have a page without frame but with 
some content glued to the top or the bottom while the rest scrolls 
?

http://hyperworlds.org/rebolxanadu.htmla web page I did not run 
across before...

DideC:  Heres some sample CSS that creates  a box midstream and provides 
scrollbars automatically....
	.T3area3
	{
		padding-right: 10px;
		padding-left: 10px;
		left: 160px;
		padding-bottom: 10px;
		margin: 0px;
		vertical-align: top;
		overflow: auto;
		width: 642px;
		padding-top: 10px;
		position: absolute;
		top: 0px;
		height: 490px;
	}

We have a template based dynamic site here at work,  we use a base 
page to define the common logic, we use CSS "templates" to define 
the areas of different pages... the above code is Template 3 area 
3, which is the body area for a page that has a header, left navigation, 
body, and footer area.

Why doesn't my browser (Opera) refresh CSS files if I hit reload? 
I get a refreshed HTML page but the CSS isn't refreshed... any idea 
how to enable refreshing?

Sometimes I need to refresh twice -- but usually CSS is well cached 
(so you only have to download a stylesheet for a site once)

Usually F5 works  a hard refresh in Opera.

Otherwise check your setting for tools/preferences/history and cache/check 
documents/always  (precise path may vary according to version of 
Opera)

Try control-F5.  In IE it is a "stronger" refresh than just F5. So 
it might be similar on Opera.

keyboards should be velocity sensitive .. like some midi keyboards. 
 hit them harder to get a stronger effect!

Keyboards leave a lot to be desired. I would like to see the often-used 
technique of copy and paste to be given more prominence on the keyboard 
(and supporting OS).

I have some patent work started on an internet keyboard some time 
back...if there is some seriousness, I am interested to start a joint 
project/business with a few interested people.

BTW, funny these keyboard ideas poured in today...like Terry's * 
circle key idea...I was just trying to select-all and copy ... is 
there a key shortcut for this?

besides cntrl-A then Cntrl-C

I am interested to find a good Mechanical person who wants to work 
on a manufacturable version with me.

The mouse has always been a rather clumsy context shift for the user...;-)

mouse <--> keyboard is too much of a context shift the way they are 
at present.

One of the very, very rare cases a left-handed person has an advantage...

Tablet's (or better all hand recognition) software is something that 
doesn't work for a left-handed. I write the characters the other 
way. The SW can't handle it :-))

I tried to train speech on tablet by reading the fairy tale in the 
XP tablet tools...it never recognized anything I spoke (I know my 
speech is tough to understand) but even if I said "blah blah blah 
blah" the tablet acted like it understood me reading the fairy tale. 
 Maybe there is a better version.

ah, I have tried some other keyboads, like with the special buttons, 
the wireless part of WebTV was nice...but for sure we need to have 
REBOL embedded in a wireless keyboard...that would be nice.

just found out that Logitech does have a 'diNovo'  but the retail 
price is on the high side 

http://www.logitech.com/index.cfm/products/details/CA/EN,CRID=1,CONTENTID=7321

it is a lot faster to input text this way when it comes to things 
like instant messaging

especially when using a tablet that has no keyboard -- that can be 
a big problem

the raisin on a one to get rid of the number pad is that it makes 
the keyboard off center

What do you prefer on notebook - touchpad as a mouse, or that IBM's 
- how to call it - stick between the keys?

a Korean contact of mine has tried to penetrate the US market with 
Tablets for nearly 8 years...and it is still not a winner.

this throws your whole body off center  for hours at a time-- this 
becomes eight more serious problem if you put the keyboard in your 
lap

eight    a speech thing?

I think the Tablet needs 95% graphics operated computing before it 
becomes a market winner.

by a normally use a $60.00 keyboard that has an ergonomic split and 
is also wireless but the company , logitek has stopped making it 
-- unfortunately

Pekr, you can take a look at IBM Thinkpad's keyboard. They have manage 
to make it balanced with the arrow keys and stuffs.


A lot of the other laptops manufacturers don't get it, even Apple. 
(and I use Macs as well)

the reason it is a big problem is that when you're sitting in the 
same place for ten or more hours in a little thing in every little 
thing will eventually effect you

all all all Microsoft likes adding a lot of other words all all all

I have been using speech recognition off and on as a test case or 
more than twenty years all

unfortunately all it is not a lot better today than all it was all 
all all all twenty years ago

so can you speak a REBOL script into here? Oops forgot, not Messenger 
where do [ view/new layout [ box ] ]  can be done...

OK but see if this is better -- I don't know what insane programmer 
decided that you should ring the bell whenever a word is recognized 
by the speech recognition software -- that is about as stupid as 
it gets

that is where that word all was coming from -- two bill gates a ding 
sound has the same sound as the word all

wow...that sounds like a GREAT QUOTE for a WEB PAGE ... LOL

if that is as good as speech recognition gets I think I could do 
better in probably about a month of programming -- I have been thinking 
about this problem for more than two decades -- while at apple computer 
by a push to get speech recognition to be part of every Macintosh 
-- but was unsuccessful

Seen it too, thanks, Petr......So won't work easily on a train or 
plane.

Designs coming and going .....That's why I'd like to keep the keyboard 
that works for me........But only after I find it.

But then I still use a personal fountain pen rather than utility 
biros.  May be I'm old-fashioned.

what we probably need is a weekend chat room

if they made this text recognition software in little better -- and 
I think they do but it does not come from Microsoft -- it would be 
a good way to communicate in All the old me hold me all the fault 
may

should it launch a program to send the email or should it write the 
code?

it is amazing to see the sentence is that speech recognition software 
composes when there is a lot of random noise in the background -- 
as a radio frequency engineer this  is very puzzling-- the waveforms 
of speech are very distinct and clear compared to random background 
noises

let me just tried using the word [in a sentence -- interesting

I think see programmers would have a problem -- because brace does 
not show up as punctuation

wrt speech recognition: I use Dragon Naturallyspeaking quite some 
time, and it works very well. Takes some training but after a few 
horus it is really good. http://www.scansoft.com

I use it when writing reports etc. Just work one day at home and 
a report is finished. What's funny is that I get less remrk on my 
reports/plans when dictated than when written. That's reason enough 
to use it :-)

With regards to keyboards that don't have a numeric pad (or indeed 
function keys), I'm using a "Happy Hacking Lite 2"; a bit pricey 
though but the preferred keyboard of many Linux enthusiasts. Check 
out http://shop.store.yahoo.com/pfuca-store/haphackeylit1.htmlfor 
a picture.

efish & yeksoon - numberpad not a problem for left handers. Perhaps 
a right-handed keyboard should be made ;-)

numeric pad is used a lot in accounts. Recently I saw a keyboard 
where the number pad was separate from the main keyboard (wireless 
too!) A good solution.

& once it is separated.. it may as well have a calculator display 
too, so it can function with or without the pc.

About keyboard centeredness:

I think it is a problem, I usually position my keyboard in a way 
that the typing space is centerd for me, and the numeric keypad sticks 
out to the right.

Of course then you have trouble reaching for the mouse. So now I 
use the mouse lefthanded ...

I had a perfectly good colour setting until I had to move to rebol3 
world ...

but not a shade on me.

If there's a boxy-limitation, it isn't in CSS.  HTML currently only 
supports rectangular boxes.
Spend a bit of time at
http://www.csszengarden.com/
to see how different CSS can be with the HTML.


Not to say that CSS doesn't have limitations -- lack of variables 
and calculations is an obvious one.

h1,h2,h3 {color:red} is simply a shorthad to avoid writing
h1 {color:red}  h2 {color: red}  h3 {color:red}

p b {color blue} means a <b> as *any* descendant of a p is blue 

p>b {color:blue} means a b that is an immediate descendant of a p 
is blue [so doesn't apply to <p><ul><li><b>not blue</b></li></ul></p> 

The > notation is CSS2 only -- but that is widely supported these 
days.
There is also + but that is not widely used.


Anything by Eric Meyer is a good place to start for leaning CSS. 
My copy of the O'Reilly guide is battered from constant use.

Thanks.....that's a limitation of the approach taken by that design 
then.

Probably best not to use the same classes and ids as are being used 
the the templates for data editing. You'd need a list of the "reserved" 
names -- or ask him to use a special prefix to distinguish them from 
the ones you use.

I really don't understand, how ppl can use whatever existing template 
system not working in a Temple way ....

That aproach must be done by programmers, not designers. It imo missess 
fundamental thing - desinger is not a programmer and he/she does 
not need to know anything about it.

Petr, stil not sure I understand the template issue.
A tag can have more than one class:

<p class="warning large"> would assign the p *both* classes "warning" 
and "large"