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I've turned off Modified Time detection. Can you tell me if that 
makes a difference in the warning?

syllable server seems to have msntp available. running "msntp -a 
ntp1.nl.net" would sync your server's time against.

-r set it back a bit

from this on, a -a once an hour via a cronjob would keep it in sync

msntp -x
 would make it run as a daemon

Does that have a configuration file, or how often does it adjust?

(so the full cmdline would be: msntp -x -v -a ntp1.nl.net)

msntp -x -a ntp1.nl.net

or "msntp -x 1440 -a ntp1.nl.net" to have it check no more than once 
daily

a meager ~800kB in this case :)

Yes, but a bit much for just looking at the clock every five hours

what's wrong w the cron approach then. it would take up that 800kb 
for a fraction of a second every 5hr

I think for daytime all you need to do is open a port on 13, read 
what is returned and close the port.

indeed, thx GrahamC

$ nc time-a.nist.gov 13

55676 11-04-25 16:30:36 50 0 0 433.9 UTC(NIST) *

Good idea, do you have a link?

Show them HELP (?) and SOURCE, which are strong tools to get you 
going as a programmer.

Is it really a good idea to go deep into R3, with the situation?

REBOL has fostered ideas in many people, and I'm sure, whose ideas 
will evolve into a future with better programming tools, than the 
world has today. So yes, I'll say there is a future.

I only have 6:40 mintues. So, I concentrate on REBOL as a language, 
not so much on R3 / R2 the products.

Robert, code, including gui's,  created by other code and then executed, 
is a great feature of Rebol.

Robert: here is a proposition for presenting View + VID + REBOL coding:


1) Show this code on a slide, explain briefly what it does and run 
it: 
REBOL []

view layout [
	code: area 300x200
	btn "Run" [view/new layout load code/text]
]


2) Enter some VID code in the textarea, click Run and listen to the 
"wow" in the audience ;-)

You can type, for example:

across
text "Name:" f: field
btn "Say" [alert join "Hello " f/text]

but one thing you need to highlight, is that for all of your needs 
(code, style, layout, server, client, templates, controls, localization, 
etc) you are using a single highly natural language.    This is the 
power of Dialects, (DSL). 


datatypes are also a great differentiator of REBOL... just run code 
and leave an HTML tag in the code, as-is... that is cool.  most languages 
require literal data to be assigned, but in rebol data IS an expression 
so as long as there are no syntax issues, you can just embed data 
within the code (for whatever reason you need it in source managing 
tools).

show that you also use the same language for creating style sheets, 
new controls, sending a VID layout over tcp, etc.  just showing how 
small the code snippets are is enough I guess.


Make a little parallel between the web nonsense, and the simplicity 
of doing the same thing in rebol. (5-7 different languages, vs one)

I think I will save the last 40s to even include a Q&A section into 
my pecha kucha :-) because  Rebol is just that compact and simple, 
that I don't need 20 slides ;-)

It's length? system/words/lib right in a fresh console, otherwise 
there might be new words added.

Than D2 is a good choice

Hmmm strange I don't have a plugins directory (firefox + Win 7 x64)

MaxV: Sounds great.  Is this an implementation of a REBOL plug-in 
without resorting to ActiveX?  I thought earlier attempts hit the 
wall on providing a solution that did not pose an unworkable security 
exposure.

@WuJian: I'm not a software expert, just a Rebol enthusiastic user! 
But it should be possible.

@oldes: Facebook started to freeze groups, during tha next week "worthy 
groups" will be updated to the new style/feature, "unworthy groups" 
will be archived. In both cases all users will be deleted and users 
wil have to join again to the group!
P.S. I sent you a message trough Facebook

wow what a fail!  they could have built it as an "update this group" 
button which the group owners have a time lapse to activate or then 
its archived.

It's like that, I'm an administrator, but not the creator, so I ndot' 
see any button! Is a creator push the button, you loose all users, 
BUT you maintain postos, phots and videos... It's stupid! How can 
you invite again thousands of users?

you know.. managing a single dimension array is quite complex for 
programmers coming out of school nowadays.   


where is the iterator class for "update facebook users list" in jquery, 
 .net,  or java?    ;-)

I pushed the button and it's updated probably... FB is stupid as 
you can have many groups with the same name. I visit it just a few 
times pre year.

Oldes: It seems to have worked, I got an email saying that it's been 
upgraded, and I'm still a member of it

WOW! All went ok for Rebol group, but if you look at Facebook help 
forum there are a lot of people angry about loosing ther memebers! 
Ehy! Where are the videos I uploaded??? NOOOOooooooo!

Do you think, that Google+ might become a competition to Facebook, 
or will it just fade-out as their Wave did?

I think that many people won't drop their facebook account, so somehow 
there will be an integration between them, in a middle term..

people I know who know about google + tend to prefer its ideas so 
far.     A lot of people I know don't like facebook at all (it just 
wastes so much time) but don't really have an alternative.  


The fact that Google plus is tackling the problem of separating your 
social circles *FIRST* is, to me, a good indication that they've 
done their homework into how they can compete which facebook.

my biggest complaints are the lack of groups and also some silly 
UI bugs. If I choose to follow a popular person and he posts something 
with 500 responses, those 500 responses cannot be collapsed. I have 
to scroll through them.

for sure their interface will improve, But I think Google has a much 
better record for making things better in time... 


IMHO, Facebook hasn't really changed at all in years.  Its all cosmetics, 
and even then I can't really tell you what its improved.  I've still 
got a useless stream of hundreds of posts a day which I can't *easily* 
manage.  configuring **anything** in FB is tedious to say the least. 
  


And the idea of "annoy everyone you know" and "give your personal 
data to unknown companies, without my conscent" is not something 
I readily enjoy. 

even friend lists are limited in length!   basically, the whole UI 
is a disaster.

I'm sure google will do a lot of things better by integrating with 
other google sites like google docs, maps, gmail,  android-things, 
youtube, news etc.

facebook cannot integrate with them easily and they have a loooong 
way to build similar stuff.

Here is a poll result from techtree.com for the question: Will you 
leave Facebook to join Google+?
http://www.techtree.com/techtree/jsp/pollResult.jsp?poll_id=633

Robert - thanks a lot, I really enjoyed run-tests.r3 demo, watching 
how GUI moves around in an automated fashion :-)

World Programming Language: is that a REBOL clone?

Yes, you can say that. Or a REBOL replacement for some applications, 
where REBOL isn't suited.

Will this language be an open or closed source project?


Question has been noted. I'll collect questions and make a QA here 
in AltME around release time. The countdown might answer questions 
and/or inspire people for new questions.

Geomol, if don't have any other target, why don't you work on Red? 
Or fork a project from Red?

World is written in C. The Red bootstrap is being written in REBOL. 
This may explain why Geomol didn't fork Red.


Boron is written in C but is an evaluator like REBOL rather than 
a JIT compiler.

I think that if World is a real project, we should make a !World 
group here

Maybe. Anyway - it is a bit confusing name, as we know Altme Worlds. 
Maybe a World language woul be better, but - dunno ...

Interesting anyway, because Boron is a more classical REBOL (architecture 
wise, and well, just my wild guess), Topaz is very different aproach, 
and RED takes different aproach too. But maybe it was in a making 
even before Topaz and Red were announced, who knows. And maybe it 
is just a hobby project :-)

I don't think that World is a hobby project, it is like Boron, Red 
and Topaz which I believe are being developed to meet the authors 
want for a tool that meets their specific needs.

And was REBOL itself so different?

We don't know anything about a World yet, or do we? :-)

Hopefully Geomol will tease us each day with a bits of a new info. 
Today we learned there is a compilation :-)

compiled into bytecodes (a la java)  or machine languages ?

It says it uses a VM though, so it must be some bytecode language

I expect it to be a bit like Lua.

Thank you :)  (altme hadn't quite finished loading messages on a 
new machine - blush :)

Thanks -- it was Reichart's idea that we have a visual marker for 
these languages. Thanls to their developers for agreeing to the name 
change.

Congratulations Geomol. That was a lot of work over what seems like 
a few days.

It would save a step and some thought.

Pity Carl resumes his hobby, and still leaves whole community without 
a single word of explanation for 13 months already:


http://mendoradio.wordpress.com/2011/11/20/resuming-the-mendoradio-blog/

He has a ham radio call sign ... call him up!

Isn't this a rather erroneous message ?

>> now - 365
== 27-Oct-2009/23:03:45+13:00
>> now - 365.25
** Script Error: Cannot use subtract on date! value
** Near: now - 365.25

email? [name-:-domain-:-com]
== true
>> email? [name-:-domain]..com
== true
>> email? [name-:-domain]...com
== true

Is this a bug?

I was going crazy trying to send to a long list getting errors...finally 
found the faulty address...how do you validate email then?

Amacleod - there was a discussion on ML or elsewhere, about how useless 
email dtype is, if it can't work as email RFC suggests. I was told, 
that I should not mistake datatype, with complicated parser for possible 
correct emails. I still insist - the datatype is useless that way. 
I found some grammar, I even posted it back at that time, but I think 
that someone at RT was simply too lazy to implement it :-)

its a common error I make ever so often in code.

because ?? is a lit-word argument.

yep.. usually a better alternative... and put a prin "test3: " on 
the previous line.

I have redefine my probe so it uses mold/all instead... it also only 
dumps the first 500 chars when I try to probe something which is 
way to big (like a nested set of faces)

all patients who have had more than one office visit over the past 
year with a diagnosis of hypertension :)

so you want to remove singletons from a block?

ok working on a solution (I like these quick riddles)

I'm going to have to use a loop :(

since set2 is a unique version of set1, it will always find and always 
remove

there is also a really usefull missing "set" function


duplicates:   returns items in a series present multiple times in 
that series.


without this function, right now there are many missing combinations.

so return those in a block where there exists more than one?

when managing data sets, you often want to know what is unique "within" 
that set.   

duplicates and singletons are often-required things you want to know 
about a data set.

i guess make a wish on curecode for R3

Has anyone a simple algorithm for calculating the last day of a month? 
 Or is a lookup table easiest?


get-end-month: func [ d [date!] /local tmp ][ tmp: d while [ tmp/month 
= d/month ][ tmp: tmp + 1 ] tmp ]

>> append [] 'now/precise
== [now precise]

is there a better way?

Is this better? To get an unevaluated now/precise into a block:
    append [] [now/precise]

found a different way, so won't be needed.

I wanted a nice way to produce fragmented message strings that will 
be translated later, using a TRANSLATE function. So I made this function:

tell: func [blk /local out s] [
	out: make string! 10000
	parse blk [
		any [
			[
				set s string! (append out translate s)

    | to any-type! copy code [to string! | to end] (append out to string! 
    reduce [#"'" mold/only do code #"'"])
			]
			(append out #" ")
		]
	]
	join trim out #"."
]

>> file: what-dir
== %/c/program files/rebol/view/

>> tell ["File" file "cannot be found"]
== {File '%/c/program files/rebol/view/' cannot be found.}

a better one would probably input the string like:

File %1% cannot be found.

Maybe I should do that...

(I think that <filename> or %filename% etc. helps the translator 
a lot more than %1% or anything like that. Of course, Qtask uses 
%1%. :-)

Anyone got a suggestion on how to flatten the results of a SQL query.
Got [ [ "xxx" ] [ "yyy" ] [ "zzz" ]]
and want 
[ "xxx" "yyy" "zzzY ]

sure I could iterate over the whole lot and create a new block ...

well, I thought we should really have a native for this ....  where's 
Cyphre's JIT compiler??

cause its going to be A LOT faster and for things like database queries, 
this can become quite a bottleneck.

Give me some numbers. Show me scenarios where it's a bottleneck. 


I should have a second log in here. P.O., because I'm sure I Piss 
Off a lot of people by always questioning Premature Optimization. 
:-)

How about a LINE-NUMBER? function yielding a line-number of a string, 
would you want such a function to be a mezzanine?

I want pretty much *everythihng* to be a mezzanine until we know 
the gains are worthwhile and will benefit enough people. That still 
gives us room to be subjective. ;-)

I am the author, so if somebody different from myself wants to have 
the function as a mezzanine, fill in a CC ticket

gregg. such simple functions cannot be optimized in rebol simply 
because the lowest-level loops are VERY slow.  this is a simple function 
which requires no special treatment.


for such a function, the moment its written as a mezz, we can't say 
"premature" optimisation... its done.   the only improvement is to 
make it 20 times faster.

Heck, we don't even have it as a standard function. :-)

Post it to the idioms group in R3 chat #754, either the file, a link 
to the original, or as source in a message.

My preferences are, that HALT should be catchable, since that would 
allow us to e.g. write a REBOL console in View.

catch halt could be a nice wish