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Typical Scala systems cost between $500 (CPU), $650 (Scala License), 
and $$$$ for the LCD (A 50" can cost $10K).

No. Free Player. At least not until last year. I had all the reseller 
docs, but didn't become one. As I thought we could build something 
similar, and a lot cheaper.

BTW. I think rebol can be used for making a product similar to Scala. 
Using the proper libraries to control WMP or Quicktime. Rebol will 
be in charge on syncing with the Contente Manager, and Scheduling 
the Player.

Steve is right - if Cyphre or anyone else would build a Authoring 
tool for media rebol, it would be killer app ...

Pekr, I always will have a warm spot in my heart for Scala, it's 
landed me some great work.  BTW, 90% of the presentations were done 
with 100% REBOL tools, mostly some various global dialects...only 
a few legacy .ppt junk showed up.  But cool thing, most REBOLers 
had improved upon the presentation code.

Through a big processor at it. They are cheap now days.

Yeah, to get smooth animation on Windows we had to write a DLL.  
you can't get the clock from within in your own app (bunch of morons).

Jaime - the thing is - we are very near with Rebol, but not there 
yet, and that is a pity. Dunno what would be neede, but IIRC even 
Carl told us, that better granularity for events is needed and it 
was his plan, but not high on priority list. Dunno if opening View 
would help here ...

Chris showed a great presentation tool + presentation, custom crafted 
for DevCon2004, which looked so effortless, maybe some people did 
not know how cool it really was...;-)

the cool thing in my mind is that it didn't look like a presentation 
slide show.

but why not be kings, if we could be kings ... how would you do image 
transitions, if we will not have fast means of pixel changes? Pokeing 
at image is not the way to go ... hopefully Cyphre has something 
in mind and will influence Carl a bit as he did with AGG ....

you rounded the corners, you made it more tween a movie and a presentation...nice 
blend.

Pekr, you can be a king, if only you learn to wear the crown. "said 
in the voice of the Princess in

OK, my main point was - why use rebol for presentation, if 1) it 
can be used only by me, and adv company can't deliver its own content 
2) no Authoring tool exists (although dialect is a good start) 3) 
it will hardly produce better output that Scala

and that is a salient point which I make in sales pitches.

[OT a bit]

if you look at 'presentation' from the normal usage, like Powerpoint.. 
then there will always be a deficiency (my opinion).


But, presentation on a wider scale... think of your cable provider 
broadcasting 'ads' (or presentation etc) using some rebol based stuffs. 
iTV, STB... content provider will always abuse bandwidth. 


With bandwidth being commoditize, the key problem in the future is 
throughput. Concurrent demand for something some memory hungy content.

yes, but rebol can be efficient here - you do pass only a dialect 
... that is rebol's win

There you got it. PSX 3 great hw for what you need. Pekr, if what 
you want is to be able to display some flash and other type of static 
content. I already have a rebol remote controller for Firefox. With 
full screen support. I had work flawlessly for us. So content is 
product traditionally. We just let rebol synchro the files and tell 
the browser to display them.

Is there a way to type in an expression into Visual-Basic-Editor 
in Excel to get it evaluated? Something like the console in Rebol?

 -- Skipped a lot, may have been answered, but in VB (not VBA you 
 would use the debug window for this; sometimes called the "immediate" 
 window.

terry, woa! Why not a 7search box for moz now ? :-)

anyone else have a blog site up with Carl's blog script?

Charles, search will be a predicate.

Charles, I was looking at ConQuery for Mozilla and I'll definitely 
add a 'search plugin' for °7°.. looks handy.

Ok Charles, here's your 7 search plugin for moz...  http://powerofq.com/o7oCGR.zip

Unzip that into your mozilla/searchplugins folder.. restart Moz.


To use it, you can highlight any word, phrase or °7°, right click 
 and choose °7° (you can't miss it :)  This will perform a query 
on what you have highlighted.  For example, if you highlight "Carl 
Sassenrath" you will get all of the details regarding him.  Same 
goes for °Carl Sassenrath°  Of course, the result will be empty if 
there is no matching °7°.. have fun.

seems to have a lot of discussions going on these few days in various 
groups. Having  a hard time catching up ..

I'm skimming and skipping a lot to try and keep up.

Anybody know of a decent SDL-style gaming lib for REBOL?

ah, thanks. That gives me a good starting point

Don't think there is a built-in function for that.
Try this:
>> to-char base-convert/from-base "7c" 16
== #"|"
Base-convert.r is in the REBOL.org script library

You'll probably need a parse pass then.
Or a replace loop.

I have a block of value pairs, and can do a foreach [ascii chara][replace/all 
..] but that seems rather crude

I find it curious that nothing exists in the library for this?  Every 
web page sending a GET request to a Rebol cgi script escapes this 
stuff.  Am i the only one that needs to deal with it?

It's not a perfect solution, I still need a block of values to handle 
odd browser escaping.. for example, when you add a © to  a url, Mozilla 
escapes it with "%C2%A9"  .. adding that extra ascii character for 
some reason.

Add to that mess things like html forms replacing spaces with  "+" 
 .. "Carl+Sassenrath"  .. what a mess.

Take a look at 'dehex

Terry, for want of a better way to handle this -- if you add the 
'accept-charset' attribute to the <form> tag, it will encode the 
way you want it:
accept-charset="windows-1252,iso-8859-1"

Otherwise, it defaults to what I assume is a Unicode pair for extended 
characters.

I wouldn't worry too much what XG stands for .. we know that Reichart 
is a little dysgraphic at times.

So far I've been able to cheat just by creating a symlink called 
'netscape' to my firefox executable, but it would be nice to just 
use the currently open firefox session

Has anyone made a utility to download a complete web site?

that's not a very friendly thing to do.

and if you hit a website that is cgi based...you will be downloading 
from an infinite space.

Having said that, I think Bo has written a utility to spider a website

Do you have a link?

Carl's also written a links checker -- this may be easy to adapt 
to what you want by limiting it to internal URLs 

http://www.rebol.org/cgi-bin/cgiwrap/rebol/view-script.r?script=site-check.r

But as Graham says, if you run anything like this, be social. Many 
sites have banned things like HTTtrack (a website downloader) simply 
because they don't pace their requests.

Carl's link checker goes infinite if there's a "../" link anywhere 
in the website...

I have a patch for that ../  bug in carls link checker

Can someone give me a succinct definition of the term 'meta'? -- 
for example, in the context that it is used in an HTML document to 
provide additional information on the content...

I believe the term 'meta" is usually used as a short form of Metadata. 
Metadata is data which descrbes the data.


Eg A  value of 1000 is data, its metadata includes -  type is integer; 
it has 4 digits, it is positive.

Hope this is of some help

Here's a definition from http://biology.usgs.gov/nbs/meta/metadata.htm
:


-- Metadata describe the content, quality, condition, and other characteristics 
of data. Metadata help a person to locate and understand data.

hello everybody!

I'd like to store data in a block as follow:
[
	12 [name "John" phone "123"]
	14 [name "Carl"]
	bb [name "Bob" phone "222"]
]

is there a rapid way to get the index:
[12 14 bb]

would it be better to keep an index?
[
	[12 14 bb]
	[
		12 [name "John" phone "123"]
		14 [name "Carl"]
		bb [name "Bob" phone "222"]
	]
]

any better idea on how to better store data, welcome!
thx 8)

'extract
extract your-data 2 
returns a block with [12 14 bb]

What do you need the index for?  with a structure like that you can 
do the following...

data: [
	12 [name "John" phone "123"]
	14 [name "Carl"]
	bb [name "Bob" phone "222"]
]
data/12 ; == [name "John" phone "123"]
data/12/name ; == "John"

record: 12
data/:record ; == [name "John" phone "123"]

Ammon, I need to peek a random record 8)

in your case, a cheap (resource-wise) extract is:

index: make bloc! (length? data) / 2
foreach [value pad][insert tail index value]

Re. meta -- Peter, that follows the one dictionary definition* that 
seems to fit -- "used with the name of a discipline to designate 
a new but related discipline designed to deal critically with the 
original one" -- so metadata is new data used to describe (or deal 
critically with) data, right?
* http://www.m-w.com/cgi-bin/dictionary?meta-

If that holds -- does a Rebol header contain meta-values?  Is RSS 
meta-content of a web site?  Is this discussion meta-meta?  (ok, 
too far...)

Help: after 6 hours configuration I couldn't run rebol/pro on my 
dedicated webserver (IIs6). does anybody have a install tip ?ps: 
the taskmanager shows reppro.exe running but did'nt terminate the 
exe nor deliver the page. I tried also different script header and 
examples from the docs.

Seems a lot of people have problems getting rebol cgi working with 
IIS

Windows generally uses the registry for mapping to extension.
Try looking for something as follows under "regedit":


HKEY_LOCAL_MACHINE    System       CurrentControlSet          Services

W3Svc               Parameters                 Script_Map Once there 
you

wantto EDIT --> New --> String Value to add a new extension association 
of

   ".cgi" Then MODIFY the new ".cgi" entry to associated it with the 
   rebol
executable, eg

   "C:\rebol\rebol.exe %s %s" Here "C:\rebol\" may be different on your
system and note that you must end with .exe.

Now restart the computer to get the new setting.

After that any script in a directory that the server sees as EXECUTABLE 
(eg,

the default "scripts" directory) which ends in *.cgi will be sent 
to the
rebol interpreter.

Best
YekSoon, keeping my fingers crossed.

very frustating, the script is invoking the rebpro.exe but doesn't 
release it nor deliver anything. I have tried nearly all combinations 
without any result. I thougt rebol is a perfect cgi engine, so I 
miss a - up to date - step by step instruction for all major webserver. 
the message board content indicate a need for this.

yes, I wrote a exe with powerbasic, working fine. have added the 
webserver extension for .r -> rebpro.exe" -cs %s %s" and even the 
execute permissions...

Perhaps is not the same thing!. To execute a  cgi "exe" file, IIS 
don't need to know where is an interpreter like rebpro.exe or perl.exe

just downloaded a small php-script. this one is running.

%s %s does work. it's how mine is set up. Preferable to not use .r 
extension on IIS, otherwise it gets confused when when you just have 
a script for someone to download.

waiting for some more lazy rebol tools, for a lazy developer...

didn't someone .. Gregg maybe have a sanctioned  encapping service

If you set up your encapping service right then it falls within the 
limitations of the encap license.  I planned on setting up a service 
but never did.  I did talk to RT about it and they didn't have a 
problem with the structure that I was setting up.

What are you trying to do?  What is giving you the error message? 
 It doesn't look like a REBOL problem...

a good friend asked me to post this.   I have a nasty attack on my 
laptop.  esearch has taken over my homepage.  PC Cillin is going 
nuts...keeps flagging bad files but doesn't seem to be able to eliminate 
the source of the files.  Can you see if anyone in the rebol community 
has a solution to this?

What I generaly do to get rid of viruses when AV fails is open Task 
Manager and just start googling for the process names.  If you can't 
find any information on the process then it is most likely something 
you don't want.  Dropping any Windows process into google will pull 
up a number of result pages that identify it as a windows process.

Once you have located the suspicious processes then you remove them 
from the startup sequence.  You can do this via the msconfig utility 
if it is installed or via regedit.  In regedit go to HKLM/software/microsoft/windows/currentversion/run 
and remove anything that you don't want running.  You may see a number 
of utilities there such as AV software...

There are also more locations in the registry where programs may 
run, and if it's a service, it doesn't even show up in task manager, 
because it's hanging off svchost.exe, and you can't just terminate 
that.

A biological oil can...  http://www.priweb.org/ed/pgws/systems/images/diatom.jpg

An algae (diatom) that stores it's excess energy as oil... Most scientists 
agree that oil didn't come from dinosaurs, but from these.

Docosahexaenoic Acid (DHA) is an omega-3 fatty acid. It is needed 
for the regulation all bodily functions and the breakdown of dietary 
fats within the body. Several sources of information suggest that 
man evolved on a diet with a ratio of omega 6 to omega 3 fatty acids 
of approximately 1 whereas today this ratio is approximately 10:1 
to 20-25:1, indicating that Western diets are deficient in omega 
3 fatty acids compared with the diet on which humans evolved and 
their genetic patterns were established DHA is essential for the 
growth and functional development of the brain in infants.

my ex-collegue is using a script i wrote a couple years ago that 
just does some reads every few minutes. it has been working fine 
in the last couple years but now, after some W2K updates, it stops 
being able to access the network after running for a few hours

Hey everyone,

How about a group called "Inspiration" where we could put links to 
things that might serve as inspiration for futur REBOL apps or use... 
such as MoonEdit or Jotspot.etc.

I  just saw the "Opportunity" group. Has it been there for a while 
and I never noticed it or did someone just create? It is in fact 
very close to the use I had in mind for a "Inspiration " group...

Graham, is there somewhere I can see when a group was created?

ah yes of course...

would you put links to MoonEdit and Jotspot in a "Opportunity" group?

a: 6

I get a core dump  from rebol/altme every time I shut altme down 
on linux

so I just leave it up and clean out the cores once in a while

Tomc, I'm afraid that is a LINUX problem not an RT/SafeWorld problem. 
 The problem with Linux is that its so fragmented it no longer knows 
its head from its tail.

a single source would help  fragmentation that has already taken 
its toll in this small community

A: Im sure you are correct

I'm not trying to justify inconsistancies, just trying to point out 
that even applications that only run on Linux experience a great 
degree of inconsistancy between distros...

Exactly, I hate to have information not centralized.  It should be 
intersting to see if we can bring all three of these (to start) together 
(meaning AltME, Email, QTask).  They each do something different. 
 but they should be compatible.  And in this context "Email" realliy 
refers to a relay Server.

to be a lowest common denominator it would have to be web based text

odd, I've never yet had a coredump with altme

It could be as simple as a Console setting...

.oO(actually, it's a mutant originally based on RH7.2, so I probably 
shouldn't include that in the list)

I experienced a number odd behaviors with AltME and REBOL in general 
on FC2...

when all worlds are unavailable from everywhere it is because safeworlds 
is having network/hardware/software problems  on the machine that 
looks the current address of a world

I wonder, if Altme a) uses at least TWO machines to connect to for 
lookup purposes like DNS does b) can remember IP address so next 
time look-up server is not available, it can try direct IP connection 
.... if not, it is imo plain stupid as at least b) imo would not 
take more than few hours for programmer to add .... now Peter will 
come once again, and call it - "unreliable" :-)

From my observations of pkt trace.
a) No it doesn't
b) No caching either
Pekr "unreliable" assestion correct.

safeworlds did have a good long run with no downtime, but stuff happens 
eventually

Pekr- it is more a policy / bussiness pratice than praciical programming 
problem

I'd be really embarrased right about now if I had promoted Altme 
as a corporate communications tool.