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I think it's a bad joke. The setting is not bad, people don't usualy 
walk on water, but then what? Does he catch some fish with bare hands? 
Or is there someone passing by, telling him "you can't walk on water" 
and after he realizes that, he sinks down? No, nothing. There's no 
punch line. Sorry, bad joke.

My take on rebolcentral.org - it is not a joke, but a blatant nonsense. 
I own rebol.cz for the same purpose, but in the meantime I am forwarding 
it to rebolweek at least.

Pekr, you have such a way with words...

I am aware what I said and with what attitude. I am used to be direct 
and stright, and I know that some ppl might have problem with my 
behavior. I got to such "state" with the work overload, which is 
not good, I know. But the less time I have, the faster I need to 
make my decisions, not having time for BS. So - your REBOL related 
domain redirection is really a bad move, no matter what. I do remember, 
how Amiga Inc. tried to protect their TM, so I wonder what would 
Carl say to above mentioned link. As a joke - OK, but other than 
that, I would not do it myself, from various reasons. And that is 
what I expect from others ...

Well it seems that  a lot of  you have a problem with the use of 
rebolcentral.org.  It only puts a disdain on REBOL, and I'm surprise 
that Carl would even favor the use of the name REBOL in such a manner 
even if he were an athiest.

...It is like when you buy a gift for a 3 year old, and they want 
to play with the box...

Reichart - and as for abbhorent behaviour. Interesting thing is, 
that ppl I work with, are never facing anything abhorrent. Some ppl 
(is it US specific?) are not used to "pressure" or how to call it. 
E.g. we are here in CZ used to look into one's eyes, ask private 
questions, whereas I believe in US it would not be appropriate, because 
you enter someone's "private zone". When few of us from CZ were at 
yoga training camp, we asked them some questions, and they felt offended, 
that we don't have right to ask for anything which could be regarded 
being a private matter. It took some time for them to understand 
it. One manager which taught me once told me - you can be harsh, 
you can fight - but don't fight ppl, fight arguments. And when I 
said that I regard something a blatant lie, it has nothing to do 
with you personally ...

Maybe, I can drop him a private question via RebDev and ask?

Paul - what Reichart probably meant by " ... 3 year old" is, that 
in fact it is not a big deal, and we are jumping onto something, 
which does not deserve such reactions ....

BrianH, do you really want to get in a discussion about Jesus with 
me?

Maarten, I'm the one that created it with that name for a reason 
that I knew it would end up containing BS.

Hi, is there a way to change fonts size (and even fonts) in AltME 
?

====================================^^ here if you're using a small 
font

Altme just  had this alert   showing "Server reported error in unknown-request 
because of: tatus"
that is a copy&paste so typos are not mine

For nerds that care.   http://www.rebol.org/aga-index.rLast I 
looked,  99917 posts archived.  Get busy on [web-public] and you 
could be the 100 thousandth poster.   Any bets on it being a "." 
  ;)

I have a problem with altme on linux... :(

Right mouse button no effect, CTRL+C no effect.... Is there a way 
to copy selected text from message window?
I'm on Ubuntu 8.10

Vladimir: CTRL+C works for me ( Kubuntu 8.10 ), but I only can paste 
( CTRL+V ) at any area of Altme ( New message area, Your current 
status area, Search area, ... ). If I want to copy one url to paste 
at other program, I export messages ( top-right button ) and save 
to a file ( I think html file is better ). Then I can open the file 
and copy the url

sorry..it's Altme gorup..:) i have to sleep a little bit.

Hello every body! I'm new to AltMe and I don't understand how to 
start a topic, is possible

Hi, MaxV and welcome. Topics don't really exist, but we have groups 
as you see in the left side of the window. Just browse through each 
group and select the group most appropriate for your question. If 
you have a language question, you can select "Core" or "Rebol School" 
and ask your question there.

If you can't find a good group, as if somebody else knows of one. 
If there isn't a good group, create one by clicking on the Users 
and Groups icon (the one with two "people" in it).


Also be sure to hover over the various buttons and look at the hints 
for them. The pencil icon is the one most people want to use. :-)

Did anyone else experience an AltME outage this afternoon around 
3 pm CST or so.  I could not get in no matter what I did.  If this 
should re-occur, is there a BBS or something to verify if AltME is 
down or not?

otherwise, if you're a qtask member ... you can go to the rebol sig 
there.

Also, the altme.com website has a place to check whether a world 
is accessible or not.

I was running multiple servers on a Win98 machine, so don't know 
if anyone else has had a different experience on the more recent 
Win OS's.

The way I see it.  If your IP is trying to register, the AltME world 
server checks to see what port to use.  If 5400 is in use (your other 
world running), then it would decide to use the next available port. 
 Maybe however it's using a random port in the series of 5400 - 5409 
(not my experience).  Maybe open them all and try again.

At least a form in a browser lets you go back if you accidentally 
delete your post before sending.

ALtme wish list...

I would like to have the abilty to batch update all files in a folder. 
I'm sitting here clicking on each one at a time...

Also, an ability to import a folder with contained files. It seems 
you have to create a folder manually,,I had to creat about fifty 
folders the other day...

And even if the folder already exists with files in it you still 
need to iport the files manually.
But atleat you can import multiple files at a time...

Here's another wish list item.   I am had a family only list going. 
 People would forget to login and check what was updated on occassion, 
and during slow periods with little entry, would miss that one or 
two days where something was added.  So, a nag feature that can be 
turned on and off by both the user and administrator.  It would send 
an email from the World server telling the person updates were posted 
to the World.

Is the code available to make AltME topics available on the web? 
 I'm starting a world with a sports team and want a Blackberry user 
to be able to check-in if updates have been made.

The code you need is very simple.... As Graham suggests, just check 
the timestamp on the nnn.set files.


If you want to tell your rellies how many messages are outstanding, 
check the timestamp on the entries in each .set file [teh file itself 
is a REBOL block, so very easy to load).


Just one possible gotcha -- you may not want to be disclosing details 
of your personal messages (eg don't tell your mom whenever you have 
had a private chat with your dad), nor of private groups (Gran should 
not even know about the private group arranging her 90th birthday 
party).

Is there a way to change a folder name in files?

Anyone else see around a 30 minute outage of this world, just now?

Thanks.

REBOL.net was inaccessible too....Maybe a short server break [this 
world and REBOL.net share an IP address]

rebdev chat is on a different server

Interesting thing about FaceBook.  I know someone (name private to 
keep the innocent from Big Brothers) who uses FaceBook and was forced 
by the policy of their employer to not let a friend join (who was 
fired) their facebook because the employer could peruse the person's 
facebook, and is doing so, and it is part of that employer's employee 
handbook.


That is scary.  It validates the IOS/AltME way of better privacy, 
in my mind.

I think like Carl's essay on the trouble with email, AltME could 
do a more strategic but pointed talk about Safeworlds fixes the problem 
with Facebook.

I just wanted to express this Ahha moment I had today, from a discussio 
with this person.

which means fixes won't be a priority

So - I am now running multiple worlds on a single machine succesfully 
....

I am a HUGE fan of handing over the source!  You will need to bring 
that up with Carl at this point.

Yes...may I suggest a ralley of the troops : )

Oldes, I'd be surprised if the link handler were dramatically different 
to the IOS Conference link handler.  You could use that as a base 
with which to offer a fix?

Pekr, that is why I will only run one world on a server.  I was getting 
that problem on a regular basis.  I had reported it to Safeworlds 
as well, bu they could see no reason for it.

I suspect it is due to the worlds not being 'reserved'.  But of course, 
haven't reserved a world to see if this is the case.  Bottom line, 
since I stopped all worlds but one, I have far fewer instances of 
my worlds expiring, but it still happens on occasion.

I have been having a bit of trouble with AltME. for a while it could 
not log on today, and all the time I have been using it I see it 
disconnect quite often.

It also often comes up with the message under my name of  "Internet 
busy" which I dont understand.  Now just now it said "depot update"

I logon to the rebol3 AltME world again for a while just now, but 
the check above said the world was ok.  Are the issues with AltME 
all known about or should I start submitting information from my 
sniffer about exactly what occurs?

I saw a break too. Did not check the check page.

I guess they need all the help they can if there are undiagnosed 
issues.

Is there a way to sync the state between two or more AltMe systems? 
I post this from OSX and just installed AltMe there. But, the initial 
sync makes everything red... I want to have it like on my PC system.

I did come up with a process for IOS so I could tell people the way 
to connect many clients without all keys in one to be able to coexist 
(Ashley, Scot, Chris...IIRC)...I wonder if I can still repeat that 
now...;-)

maybe there is a lease timeout like in DHCP

Have you thought of moving to a different solution?

My server that runs on 5403 works fine, but 5400, 5401 and 5402 I 
cannot get to work.  Anyone know a way to redo the worlds without 
losing the current information to get these 3 working?  Do I need 
to buy a computer or VM for each world served?

Maybe a port issue?

Downlaod this and take a look at what processes are using which ports 
http://technet.microsoft.com/en-us/sysinternals/bb897437.aspx

Hmmn, not sure how to make sense of it, My local machined do connect, 
BTW, within my own office space.  But the AltME check fails on 3 
of them, and I can't reach them outside the firewall.  But Paul, 
on your TcpView thingamajig, I see 5400, 5401, 5402, and 5503 ports 
open, but the process names are unclear which is which.  I guess 
I have to bring them up one at a time while watching, and turn all 
other net stuff off

On the check page, it shows up as "Active" but I think that means 
from a registration point of view.  Pushing the button delays and 
then says there is no connectivity

Paul, by bringing them up one at a time, I was able to identify which 
is which.  I see no problem in the ports being used, and my router 
allows 5400 - 5409 in DMZ

What about a windows firewall?

I will look, you will keep me busy for a while now...;-)  thanks.

Could be Pekr, I never ran more than one world at a time.

Steve, I had similar problems when I ran multiple worlds.  If starting 
the worlds in the order of the ports continues to not work.  I would 
suggest creating a new world, for each that isn't working making 
sure to not shut the other servers to gaurantee they take the next 
available port.  Then copy the data from the non-functioning world 
to the new world.

So obviously, this is a worste case scenario.

OK, I had 4 worlds, and I was trying the Brock hack, and generated 
a 5th to do a move of one world which would go to 5404, and it shows 
up happy on the  checkpage.


BUT...when I tried a 6th one, I got a crazy message saying that there 
had been too many worlds generated recently, so it wouldn't let me 
make the 6th one. (guess it is supposed to take seven DAYS to create 
a world, and I am trying to take 7 minutes, like the talk I gave 
at DevCon2004 ;-)

But then a server crash happened, and I just learned I can operate 
AltME server in console mode, like the IOS server, so I DON'T have 
to have graphics on the server running!  -c flag, so I can move my 
world to my server farm and be as happy as the PPC assembler command, 
"EIEIO" ("old mac donald had a farm, e i e i o" (those crazy motorola 
engineers))

question, what is the best way to move world data from Windoze to 
Linux over a connection, so permissions don't all have to be set?

If a new posting is receied I mean.

Robert, check settings. There should be an option to avoid flashing 
on a comment or some such.

Has anyone built a script to do calendar email notifications from 
the AltME calendar?

It was very difficult to add a couple people to a private group for 
many UI reasons, the worst of which is that the names weren't sorted.

Problems with the scroll bar and a lack of scroll wheel support also 
made it difficult.

You can at least start looking from the top of the list if you know 
they've been around a long time or the bottom if they're new :-)

It wouldn't hurt if some other the very long list of people who haven't 
logged in for over a year had their accounts deleted.

No, when we delete accounts their name turns to none here, and we 
lose the track of conversations. As it is we have a green none (Reichart's 
old account I think) and a powder blue none (Paul). More would be 
even more confusing.

I don't htink that you'd see any more nones if you deleted the accounts 
of people who haven't visited in more than a year.

No.....It's only the [web-public] ones.

But (confusingly!) there could be a [web-public] private group.....That'd 
be one that a select few could post to, but anyone could web-read.

You can sort on "Activity" date/time, which should make active users 
a bit easier to find.

Experimental goodie asked for by Graham.....Ability to execute code 
included in posts in this world.
eg to execute this script:
   http://www.rebol.org/aga-display-posts.r?post=r3wp210x509
Do this in a console:
  do http://www.rebol.org/aga-do-post.r?post=r3wp210x509

Of course there are some limitations:
 1. if a post does not have a
    rebol []

    to identify the start of the code, we may fail in executing text
 2. ditto if there is text after the script
 3. assumed to be ascii file (not UTF-8 etc) right now
 4. post may take 12 to 18 hours to appear on REBOL.org archive

For those who can't properly read the above posts (View+AltME sometimes 
makes a mess of posts with multiple URLs):
    http://www.rebol.org/aga-display-posts.r?post=r3wp151x3467

i just moved to the latest beta altme for debian linux x86 - even 
if I go off-line and come back it reports that session synced but 
most groups in rebol3 are empty; my R2-Beta world appears fully populated. 
 I bumped the chat limit up to 10000 (10k) but nothing appears to 
have been added ... grops that had new contents on my old OS ( i 
moved up to Ubuntu 9.0.4 ) even yesterday now sit empty ... am I 
bumping into a known issue?

The sync bug is a very old one.
Possible partial solutions:

-- leave world running for  a long time....some groups then resync 
if a message is posted to them

-- change your message limit, and then do a search for a fairly common 
word

-- send a message (just a dot is the convention) to every group you 
want to resync
-- delete all messages and restart the world.


http://www.rebol.org/aga-display-posts.r?offset=-1&post=r3wp151x920

Another possible solution (usually does not work):
--  send a message to yourself.

post hoc ergo propter hoc    a mail to me and now I have my mail

(I send RobertS a private message, and it seems to have triggered 
some resyncing.....So another partial solution).

but you need a fast connection or else the timeouts occur and when 
that happens, nothings syncs anymore.

Sadly, it is sometimes the only way to trigger a proper sync of that 
group.

It can be annoying, true......But while the resync bug exists, there 
is no other guaranteed work around.

I guess that  reinstalling AltMe and making a full sync would work. 
That way you don't have to spam-dot groups for others.

graham... did you wake up in a bad mood?
is it such a big endeavor to click on a few links ?

graham i understand what u saying that was bothering me too ^_^ I 
hate false joy. When you "." to sync what you provoke in me is "Ho 
there is something going on their lets see if they are talking about 
thing related to the topic and if i can apport to de debat the project 
et make the things move on" that joy for me. But you delusion me 
when i see only a "."

and some other groups turn red having conversation in them and i 
don't go in to read cause they put me in bad mood like "I'm a Cristian 
I love religion I'm best" kind of groups i give a description that 
way i don't point particularly individuals wich in fact don't deserves 
my bad mood ... that's well how i'm when i read those kind of things.

but i have a problem in general with religion they all try to say 
you how you have to manage your life in some way and to go against 
the ones who want to live differently. THis life is yours man being 
free means you don't let anyone telling you how to live your life 
well until your actions don't arms other individuals.

Plus this is a place I choose to speak about rebol and work with 
people around rebol not a place to speak about my religion or if 
I do love with man or woman etc...  personal life is personal and 
that's not the place to expose it to us you can do that everwhere 
else on the net so please not here.

r3 chat  is anti productive  and give me head hach i like spartiate 
interface but R3/chat is yerk and as I told you I have particed spartiate 
interface for a long long time (ok you want name ? Vi BitchX telnet 
etc..)

the commands are not mnemotechnic hard to remember for me if you 
have to read more than once the documentation the software is a failure 
lol

I've never used irc .. is it a chat thing?

IRC = Inetnet Relay Chat basically design by norvegian to exchange 
information during the long and boring winter they have it was a 
good way to speak with thousands of people at the same time make 
the thing really live. of course you have ways to select the kind 
of conversation you want to go on your channel

I thought it was just a way of controlling bot nets :)

creating a channel is easy it was automatically created when you 
type /join #name_of the channel

with /topic you could change the topic you were able to set password 
locks to only let in ppl you like