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(I'm typing on a very small keyboard, excuse those errors).

why is there is a per file size limit  for the shareing folder?  
I could almost understand a 2 gig historical limit -- but this is 
under 6Meg

so R who is to blame for hardcoding a filesize into altme fileshareing? 
 Qtask is all about accountability should be a gimmi.

maybe it's a limitation .. if you make the files too large, it kills 
messaging??

I just got a new Altme ... so what's new???

That you got a new Altme. ;-P

no no... just remove the pencil button and use the actual current 
"or press CTRL-S"  face as a toggle instead of just a label.

Graham, I don't like that. What about my important code snippet that 
was sitting in the clipboard? I'd just rather that AltME simply doesn't 
lose messages. Perhaps store them in a Sent Messages block

What about highlight words? If my name appears in a discussion, could 
the message be highlighted in the discussion as well as in the group 
list?

graham, ok that's probably the same as what I described with a block 
of sent messages.

Fifth request - a way to recall sent requests!

I want a filter for people called Graham

a kill file for people and words

I'd second your second request, Graham.

Fixing bugs that cause data to be lost should be a no-brainer for 
any software developer:

Ortherwise part of the user manual should read: "if you put your 
data [here] and [this] happens, we will destroy your data for you."

Ok, I should have generalised it to a personal kill file of people 
and words

Actually is there a way to hide yourself from others?

a stealth mode ...

I'd like a mode that prevents you from accidentally posting a line 
of reasoning with circular logic.

draw a spline between these points ...

otoh I think, that I could prevent most of my posts, if RT would 
turned into R3 architecture something like 2001, so five years ago 
.... it was clear to me such a design is needed, why not to RT and 
their investors? :-)

When someone wants to start a rebolution ..they don't want advice 
from others

yes, of course. I talked to one friend (who is not in rebol), and 
from external entity pov it seems, that Rebol has no chance, as it 
lost its momentum. It might be true a bit, as even if most parts 
will be open-sourced, it will be interesting to look, if some new 
coders join Rebol community ....

I'll third the second request, (which is now the "0"th) ... Don't 
loose any data!!!
and related subrequests ...

- don't drop me out of whatever I'm reading / writing, just because 
altme lost connection ... who cares? But I DO care, if suddenly the 
unread markings are lost

- If I start typing a message in one channel, then go to a second, 
clear the input field, and remember the message for the channel I 
started typing it, so that I can send it later, when I go back to 
that channel

- if I write a message, but don't have a connection, save it, and 
ask me whether I stil want to send, when the connection comes back 
(with a time threshold, send silently 5 minutes later, but not 5 
days) ( Yes, this is debatable, what if I realize, that I _wanted_ 
to send this to a different channel?

btw, on right clicking into a message I get the nice popup "Text 
copied", but no text in the clipboard ,,,

filters - i wanta softer version which does a rot113  in such cases. 
When i click  3 times  on it, that indicats  i want to read it  really.

Serious: would  like if  i could type a german word and have it looked 
up  in a dictionary. similar to a spell-checker.

Tom,  I'm a bit confused about your statement, What is Davis?, and 
what input was used for Qtask instead of AltME?

Is there a way to see old urgent messages?

do a grep on the messages

OK, it's time again for the twice weekly drive Reichart crazy competition 
to get your favourite bugs fixed ... ;-)

I'll just copy verbatim from one of my last entries ...


I'll third the second request, (which is now the "0"th) ... Don't 
loose any data!!!
and related subrequests ...

- don't drop me out of whatever I'm reading / writing, just because 
altme lost connection ... who cares? But I DO care, if suddenly the 
unread markings are lost

- If I start typing a message in one channel, then go to a second, 
clear the input field, and remember the message for the channel I 
started typing it, so that I can send it later, when I go back to 
that channel

- if I write a message, but don't have a connection, save it, and 
ask me whether I stil want to send, when the connection comes back 
(with a time threshold, send silently 5 minutes later, but not 5 
days) ( Yes, this is debatable, what if I realize, that I _wanted_ 
to send this to a different channel?

Not yet teamwork, but I _can_ be persistant ;-)

The great thing about a democracy is that it disfavours minorities. 
 So you can't get anything done until ALL of you agree.

Of, note, when we made the last back then, Carl updated this world, 
and we did indeed lose a bunch of info...

If there is a long converstation ro long posts in a topic, I either 
have to switch from Windows to Linux or, if the topic is web-public, 
read it at rebol.net

I have, always, found that when you have a lot of messages in a topic, 
one click on an arrow (up or down) will scroll past information no 
on the screen.

Accurate scrolling requires dragging the scroll bar status block 
in minute steps which gets beyond my patience.


It probably works well if you have a scroll-wheel mouse - but I don't.

that's a major peeve of mine too

Isn't that more of a problem with Carl's script that publishes AltME 
on the web?

Perhaps a feedback to him at RT would the trick.

my email address was obfuscated a little

I seems I got a new AltMe 1.2.11.

I crashed when I tried to see the offered url with the new features.
It is more slow.

Me too ..two updates in a day !!

is anyone else having trouble (re) starting a world on linux?  I 
have ports 5500 & 5400 open but it starting fails
iptables says 


ACCEPT     tcp  --  anywhere             anywhere           state 
NEW tcp dpt:5500

ACCEPT     tcp  --  anywhere             anywhere           state 
NEW tcp dpt:5400

Regarding crash on recycle .. I don't think that bug exists in recent 
builds.  Has anyone seen it in a recent build??

I keep mine down below 1k most of the time so I don't have a problem

I can see two reasons why a top 10 could have more than10 entries 
in it.....


.....First, it is about ranking -- if 100 people graduate from a 
class, and 30 of them all have identical top scores, then the top 
1 position is held by 30 people.
Depending then on how you define "top 10": the top 10 is either:
* the top 30 graduates; or

* some larger number (the total graduates with the highest distinct 
ten scores -- which could be all of them).


Second,. it could be an unconscious homage to the 10 reasons why 
Base Camp Sucks (It seems the Base Camp developers also chose to 
disregard user priorities, but they at least deny requests as they 
are made rather than play mind games with the user community):
http://www.whybasecampsux.org/

Reichart: <<The great thing about a democracy is that it disfavours 
minorities.  So you can't get anything done until ALL of you agree.>>

Similarly, I'll agree with your analysis  when we all agree with 
it.
Sound fair?

Seems some people can't count.  The top 10 wishes are populated with 
over 10 !
 


Is it a peeve or a wish that the number of entries isn't shown iin 
an AltME checklist?

By virtue of being foolish enough to start the checklists, I've taken 
responsibility for tidying them up in the hope that we can present 
Reichart with a useful list he will honour-bound to seriously consider.

I've downgraded the priority of Display of html links is a mess because 
no example of what a better display would look like is given.

I found that most of the items on the wishlist to be very cryptic. 
If we really want something isn't it worth  writing a short explanation?

I downgraded the Mac OS X Version becuase there is already a beta 
version available.

I actually forgot a pet peeve of mine: I hate the fact that red groups 
look very much like black groups on a bad monitor. I would rather 
have a graphic to show whichi group is read or not.

maybe possibility to do skinning (at least color settings) would 
solve this issue. But you must have really bad monitor if you have 
such a problem:-)

Oldes, maybe it can be because I'm also a bit red/green color blind. 
I really have to squint to see which group is red among a long list 
of black groups.

Is everyone upkeeping the top altme wishes checklist?   I just did 
a few little edits/changes... but I wonder if anyone is even aware 
they are there... does Reichart and gang look at this list?

There are still a lot of entries in the altme wishes list that have 
no description......the conclusion must be that they are not really 
wanted by anybody here as nobody can be bothered to write a couple 
of sentences to explain them.

hum, somehow the "runs on solaris", should be removed from top 10... 
its simply not a possibility.

A wish is a wish and my guess is that the "runs on solaris" is actually 
very similiar to the wish for a "Core-based Server".

but in the top 10?  and its also impossible... so why  leave it there 
since this is really now a top 9?

At the moment, there are 13 peeves (bugs) and 73 wishes......it seems 
the list of peeves is just about agreed ...I've pushed "display of 
html links is a mess" into the top 5 Oldes....

I really believe that just fixing those ten will noticeably improve 
AltME as a product.

I think that it will take us a little longer to achieve the same 
degere of consensus on the wishes.

As the full wish says "Run on Sloaris no X11" - it may be that Maxim 
felt that would make it more than a little tricky to run the AltME 
clinet.

hum... but I had understood that the client was the request... I 
guess a core only server would be better still  :-)

even for the client: well, since the detective worked, i assume altme 
could too; altme does not require draw wich could be a problem to 
compile on solaris, and as long as it does not require async dns 
i think there should be no problems.

i would be surprised if it took more than one hour... however, i 
would consider this a low priority thing, so probably after r3 :)

Scrolling under Windows
Gnome Cut & Paste (possibly should be X.11 cut & paste)
Clicking http links under Linux has no effect
The edit buffer is lost on disconnection
Display of html links is a mess

Use of graphic as well as red colour to highlight groups with unread 
messages
Message highlighting is lost on disconnection
Search shold show messages in the local archive
Message not "tied" to a topic
Better formatting ot exported HTML conversations.

..and if you could stretch to 12...

Everything red on a new installation
Crash on recycle 

(though I thought the last has already been fixed).

hmm... I just installed a security update to XP and AltME will sometimes 
disappear mysteriously, as if killed.

well, I just discovered that off-line browsing is now a failure in 
every case I have tried  I think that is a #1 bug candidate.

a reboot seemed to help here for now

I also can't offline browse under Win XP --definitely looks like 
a bug.

I just tried offline browsing with AltME 1.2.12 under Win/XP and 
got a "Intiernal Error" alert which i sendt ot feedback after sneekily 
going back online.

The top ten is now:
Offline browsing is broken
Scrolling under Windows
Gnome Cut & Paste (possibly should be X.11 cut & paste)
Clicking http links under Linux has no effect
The edit buffer is lost on disconnection
Display of html links is a mess

Use of graphic as well as red colour to highlight groups with unread 
messages
Message highlighting is lost on disconnection
Search shold show messages in the local archive
Message not "tied" to a topic

Proxy settings has a low priority in the AltME wishes list, mainly 
because it hasn't been important enough to anyone to add a brief 
description of what is wanted.

Then why don't you add a simple description of what you want to the 
item in the AltME Wishes checklist .


(In case, you haven't seen the checklists before click on the icon 
of a tick (check in the US) in the top left hand quadrant of the 
AltME window.

I checked this by using a proxy that worked fine with rebol. I then 
switched to squid, and it failed.

Graham, that's no reason for it not to be on the list. AltME might 
tackle this common user problem by linking to some documentation 
which explains the situation, problems and possibly automatically 
forwards a feature request for you to RT feedback.

Then RT might get a better idea of the numbers of people affected 
by this issue.

Is the requirement for an AltME client to access an AltME server 
from behind a firewall or proxy server?

Does anybody want to run an AltME server from behind a firewall/proxyserver?

May be Safeworlds wants to offer a nifty http re-direction service 
from port 80 on a server?

I'm running an altme server for family puposes on a Linux (debian) 
server at home. I would like it to start automatically, say after 
a power failure/reboot. I tried it under windows with command line 
options, but I did'nt get it to work.

My present solution is to login remotly when I notice altme is gone, 
and leave a VNC created xsession up with altme restarted manually 
on it. But I prefer my computers trained to do things for me ;-)

If you want to use Altme at work, you could set up a ssl vpn at home 
using a Linksys rvl200 eg http://reviews.cnet.com/Linksys_4_Port_SSL_IPSec_VPN_Router_RVL200_router/4864-3243_7-32015900.html?ctype=msgid&messageSiteID=7&messageID=2349010&cval=2349010&tag=uolst

no, not at work. at home. was hoping to have it restart itself after 
a reboot for when I'm out.

there is a (several?)  tool for windows which can generate events 
and select windows.  you could probably use that to simulate a manual 
login.

since all events are handled window wide (from the perspective of 
windows) It should be easy to trick rebol.  just record key sequence... 
put a few waits and you should be done :-)

denismx, if you're running debian thefile you want is probably  '/etc/init.d/rc.local' 
. Put your command in there and it will run after a reboot.

Maxim, I was thinking of a similar solution, some script that simulates 
keystrokes from the keyboard. I remember seing something like that 
under Windows. There's probably something like that under Xwindows.

Bobo: altme needs to have a world and password specified to start 
the local server. I tried command line parameters to do that, there 
are in fact parameters that can be passed to altme from the command 
line, but it did'nt start my world properly.

denismx: I have added "Launch  World on Start-up" to the AltME Wish 
List in the Checklists here. Please could you add a brief description.

denismx:  I'm not following very well.  Is your problem with the 
Debian server as I have this working for a family server hosted on 
a windows machine as I'm sure many people here do.  If you want to 
try again on a windows OS, place a shortcut in your startup folder. 
 In the target field the command should be similar to this...

there is a "server only" altme, but it costs money.

I noticed a small but costly redraw issue (particularly when using 
AltME through remote desktop): When I am in this group and then click 
the checklist button and I then click on RebServices, AltME first 
redraws this group again and then draws the RebServices group. This 
takes 1-2 additional seconds to do.

I'm surprise "physical path to altme" -s "WorldName" -p Port# works 
for you on Windows, Brock. It did'nt for me - but it's been a very 
long time and I don't remember the details of that problem. I'm on 
Linux for my servers, Debian Sarge, now. Not going back.

Well it now works under both windows and linux. Under linux you do 
a : "./altme -s Worldname" and it doen'nt even ask for the password 
! (?) - same for windows in fact. You can start any local world without 
the password from the command line.

Yep, you only need passwords for starting the AltME user-client. 
 I believe the intent of the "Start a World" window is to create 
new worlds where you need a password for the world.  I don't see 
a need for a passord to start a world, you still need a client to 
communicate and access the data inside the world.

Gabriele: is it because the password has been saved and is reused, 
or maybe that password asked when creating a world is jus the password 
for the "master" account?

I remember vaguely that when I had tried starting a world with the 
-s paramater, Alteme was not picking up the worlds user list, like 
it was not started in the correct directory. Anyway. I'm glad to 
have this solution now. So I'm preparing to setup my linux server 
to come up with X and altme running on my world after a boot up.