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Looking at moblin now for a netbook for a 7-year old (school requirement). 
Anyone tried that?

well, i went to distrowatch, tried a few of them, and mint seemed 
the best for me. i'd love to use gobo instead, but when i tried it 
everything self-destroyed on the first update.

I guess I can read a bit about it.

As well? Does that include 64 bits? Then you can't do that without 
a 64 bits installation

Mint includes the 32bit libs - one of the many reasons it is a great 
Linux distro :)

they have a number of GUIs but i've never used them. (like for sharing 
files with other people etc.)

(and a better non-brown theme)

Hmm... ok. What I need is a debian based simple distro. So, it sounds 
like MINT is a good choice.

robert, as a rolling release system ARCH could be a solution as well. 

it is not DEBIAN based (closer concept to BSD and GENTOO) but it 
is very fast, stable and alway fresh. 

the configuration e.g. is central and very logic. I am using it with 
a small footprint XFCE
for desktop-virtualisation, just running...and running...

I don't think Robert would like Arch for a desktop (too much configuration), 
but as a server, maybe

Correct, I just need a simple (not much to configure) system so that 
I can compile some code, that will than be transfered to my server 
system. I avoid compiling on my server.

I would like to switch to debian but don't know how I can do this 
on a running system...

Ok. I found a how-to for changing the distro on a live system via 
SSH. I think I will give it a try over the "clam x-mas days". Than 
I have enough time to fix it if I screw things up.

Installing Jolicloud on a netbook, that I borrowed. We'll see how 
well it works...

Actually i thought it was a clone of the iPhone, but it turned out 
to be a thin shell above Ubuntu with a less usable browser and Gnome 
windows constantly popping up in a jarring way above the UI. I hate 
these papermaché solutions that only superficially tries to do something 
for usability.

with a constructed URL

parameter, so presumably that would have to contain a code for the 
REBOL refinement

Well, quite a bit of extra consideration is needed here. There are 
no error codes returned, either

Maxim is right that they are not bugs, but a very primitive implementation

pekr... one problem today is that people have come to an assumption 
that software programs itself.    I don't know where that is coming 
from, but in ALL real projects... 


at some point, you actually do have to raise your sleeves and put 
a little effort into it.

Kaj - but the overall situation of VLC might be a bit different, 
no? OS-X is kind of multimedia system. It uses iTunes, Quicktime, 
so maybe it is not problem of VLC community itself, but maybe just 
on OS-X, there is not enough of users interested in VLC?

on mac VLC is very usefull... it plays all the stuff Apple doesn't 
want you to look at  ;-)


its actually one of the few softwares installed on my mac (I've only 
had to install 4 so far, 1 being a game I bought)

Anyone know how to allow a windows user to deelete files off a samba 
share?

But the issue can be any ot a whole series

I'm logged on to the windows 2003 box as Administrator, but samba 
won't let me add Administrator as a samba user

Oh, the source. It's probably not a problem here, but it's a bit 
dangerous because the source file may need processing

I just found out that the .deb distribution packages are in a weird 
format: ancient ar format which contains a few .tar.gz files

Is anyone familiar with the debootstrap process? I used it to setup 
a Lenny that I can use via CHROOT, which works. Now I want to make 
it bootable. I added it to GRUB and can boot into the version. But 
I can't get the network up & running.

I have spend most of the day to find out how to setup a network. 
I have done most things:
- /etc/networks/interfaces has an entry for eth0
- /etc/networks strangly only contains if-up.d/

- I'm somehow missing /etc/init.d/networking but don't know how to 
install it or why it's missing

IMO there is not a lot missing but I don't know how to fix it.

you need to chroot and install more packages, I guess. you need to 
do an actual installation, and not just a bootstrap.

On the Free Software Foundation site I read about gNewSense linux 
based on Debian. The gNewSense Laptop and Netbook Guide 
http://wiki.gnewsense.org/Main/LaptopGuide#toc1

lists a laptop, the Lemote YeeLoong
http://www.tekmote.nl

Has anyone seen or tried this laptop?

Does anyone have a solution to run encapped 2.7.6 View on Ubuntu 
9.04 or 9.10? I'm stuck with our new server, Cheyenne binary (with 
built-in View) requires libstdc++.so.5 which is obsolete. Making 
a symlink to .so.6 doesn't work.

I'm not able to get a correct installation of libstdc++.so.5 deb 
package, it messes up the gcc lib dependencies.

I guess that a 2.7.7 SDK should have cured that, View 2.7.7 seems 
to link to .so.6.

I've always thought that a gfx engine built in Cheyenne would have 
brought a nice added value, but it seems that using View is just 
too much trouble on anything else than Windows.

Send Carl a priority feedback ...

for windows it's very nice to have a taskbar icon and all, but when 
you run on server I want no view.. I have just command line on all 
servers anyways

My intent with providing a View kernel for Cheyenne was to use it 
as a general purpose image generation library. But as it fails to 
accomplish the most basic job of making decent thumbnails, and is 
quite painfull to run when the required dependencies are not satisfied, 
it's maybe better to get rid of it.

CALL on a third party exe works, but that's not a solution able to 
scale high (not talking about the induced delay of creating and closing 
a process)

might be missing a library file...check the list of required libs...find 
it somewhere on rebol site???

I also installed it on a server version of ubuntu with xfce loaded 
on top...iirc had to add some libs

linuxians try to be always different, hence such a resolution :-)

it was a while ago...not using that box anymore.

Hello. How can I create a REBOL service in Linux (i.e, something 
that can be run as a background process much like httpd via init.d)?

I suppose you first try to create a script that is launchable via 
shell, and from then on, it should be the same as for any other service, 
depending on the distribution.

I have the #!/usr/local/bin/rebol line and such in there. The problem 
is that I'm not sure how to make the script then go into the background 
again like a daemon would do. It stays at the foreground when I call 
it from something like init.d.

Let me take a look at dtach.

I also use

./cheyenne &

in a shell script

Might be an implementation issue for me then. Would the & trick work 
with a non-compiled REBOL script in the same way?

Bolek: REBOL is not going to start a terminal program for you. However, 
if you have a icon, you can usually open the icon properties and 
tell the "desktop" (XFCE in your case) to start the program inside 
a terminal (ie. it will start a terminal and then the program inside 
it).

If I run a simple REBOL script (with just a forever loop), I notice 
that "ps -a" gives me two REBOL processes in the process list. Why 
is this?

The question has been asked a few times recently. I had not noticed 
this before until Carl talked about how R3 doesn't need an extra 
process for DNS.

That's very odd. It should just install as a compatibility library. 
Did you really try the Ubuntu package, or just the Debian one?

I tried to download the LIbc6 View 2.7.7 from the main download page 
to check. The file name is http://www.rebol.com/downloads/v277/rebol-view-277-4-2.tar.gz
but it contained this :
REBOL/View 2.7.6.4.2 15-Mar-2008
Copyright 2000-2008 REBOL Technologies.  All rights reserved.
REBOL is a trademark of REBOL Technologies. WWW.REBOL.COM

I post a message to Carl on R3 when I'm back at the Linux machine.

Hi Gabriele, thats working for me. No segmentation fault. Open a 
window, with a white box and a blak triangle. Kubuntu 9.10, Rebol 
View 2.7.7.4.3

Manu, thanks, so it's probably not a "simple" bug.

REBOL/View 2.7.7.4.2 6-Jan-2010
Copyright 2000-2010 REBOL Technologies.  All rights reserved.
REBOL is a trademark of REBOL Technologies. WWW.REBOL.COM

REBOL/View 2.7.7.4.3 5-Jan-2010
Copyright 2000-2010 REBOL Technologies.  All rights reserved.
REBOL is a trademark of REBOL Technologies. WWW.REBOL.COM

Some Plug-computer experience: I use one as the replacement for DroboShare 
(which is crap and damn slow). So I have set it up to be my file-server 
where a Drobo Storage Array is attached too. All conected via Giga-Ethernet, 
using AFP and Bonjoure.

If you click on the send button N times, it will submit the message 
N times. Not a great feature.

About your font problem: It's been a while, but do you have the correct 
fonts installed? I'm not sure which ones are needed.

This is a stock CentOS 5.4 install running GNOME. Not sure which 
fonts are needed. However, things like h1, h2 in vid do change the 
font size of the text, but using font-size with say the text command 
does nothing.

it may help if you switch to a particular font. the X11 fonts are 
bitmapped fonts AFAIK and if there are no fonts in between in a particular 
size, it will look bad.

I'm not sure. It makes a distinction between sans, serif and mono 
fonts, but beyond that it uses some built-in default names, if the 
font requested, can't be found.

I don't know, but:

? font

and:

source set-font

look a little interesting

IIRC, 'face is a generic face used for creating the others in VID

Use this to determine which [scaleable] fonts are available:

			fonts: copy []
			call/output "fc-list" s: copy ""
			s: parse/all s ":^/"
			foreach [fn style] s [
				all [
					not find fonts fn

     (size-text make face [text: "A" font: make font [name: fn size: 10]]) 
     <>

     size-text make face [text: "A" font: make font [name: fn size: 12 
     style: 'bold]]
					insert tail fonts fn
				]
			]

How does the 'browse' command in REBOL now which browser to open 
a URL in? I can't seem to get it to open any browser at the moment.

Barik: replace browse with
browse: func [
    "Open web browser to a URL or local file"
    url [url! file!]
] [
    if file? url [url: to-local-file url]
    call join "xdg-open " probe url
]

Ahem, maybe even without the probe :):
---
browse: func [
    "Open web browser to a URL or local file"
    url [url! file!]
] [
    if file? url [url: to-local-file url]
    call join "xdg-open " url
]
---

i think that BROWSE is calling "netscape" or something like that... 
so it's also possible to create a shell script with that name.

R3's BROWSE is currently calling "open" on Linux, as far as I know. 
It should probably call "xdg-open", until then, symlinking xdg-open 
to e.g. /usr/local/bin/open should also do as a workaround.

I think that's also about the only reason why BROWSE is a native 
at all. With CALL generally available, I think BROWSE should really 
be a mezz.

Wait, that is the HOME directory. That is a fallback that is checked 
after looking for REBOL-HOME.

Unfortunately R2 only does the search for %rebol.r and %user.r once, 
not once each. This means that you can't have a %rebol.r in REBOL-HOME 
and a %user.r in HOME, so it's not very secure or multi-user friendly. 
Fixed in R3 though: %rebol.r is only loaded from the same directory 
as the executable, nowhere else, no environment variables necessary.

Apparently it's supposed to be spelled REBOL_HOME, and it needs to 
be a full path.

I don't want to steal your time any more.. I will try this again 
.. sometimes when you return to the problem after a whike you solve 
it imediatelly

to not do something stupid wrong. I created a user.r file with REBOL 
[] print "123456" . 
- I put it in same folder as rebol executable
- I put it in ~/.rebol and ~/.rebol/core
- I put it in the folder where rebol script is that I run
- I set REBOLHOME and REBOL_HOME to these 
  - export REBOLHOME=/usr/share/cheyenne/
  - export REBOL_HOME=/usr/share/cheyenne/
  - export REBOL_HOME="/usr/share/cheyenne/"
  - export REBOLHOME="/usr/share/cheyenne/"
  - export REBOL_HOME=/usr/share/cheyenne
  - export REBOLHOME=/usr/share/cheyenne
  - export REBOL_HOME="/usr/share/cheyenne"
  - export REBOLHOME="/usr/share/cheyenne"

it doesn't print 123456 when I start. I am a little insane on all 
this, so at the end it will probably some very stupid mistake on 
my part

set-net message is printed, because it is printed even if you start 
bare-bones rebpro kernel. This is imo a bug. But - couldn't you use 
other kernel?

Petr: I don't think other kernels on linux give me access to /Library 
(pdf/Sqlite). I can't run View because it's a VPS server without 
X.

And what do you want set-net anyway for?  It's a mezzanine and so 
you can just look at the source

No Solaris group .. so ...

Installed OpenSolaris on an old laptop I had here.  Removing Vista. 
 Doesn't seem to be any slower than Windows in booting up.  Oddly 
Firefox died with an update, and even though it appears to allow 
you to revert to a previous boot environment, that does not fix it. 
 Had to install Opera instead to find that Opera is dropping support 
for Solaris!

I've tried REBOL with 3 Linux distributions now (Arch Linux, Puppy 
Linux, Ubuntu) and the Fedora version of REBOL is always the one 
that works best. Is there even a Linux distribution that works with 
the Libc6 version? Maybe it would be a good idea to mention on the 
download site "You probably want to download the Fedora version" 
to make this easier for new users and maybe also rename the Fedora 
download since it doesn't work for just Fedora.

help!   how do I get rebol on linux to start without trying to open 
a setup window?
I get:

** User Error: Bad face in screen pane!
** Near: size-text self


everytime I start any /view capable rebol from a remote terminal 
(I'm not in a desktop).   


I need the view capabilities (to-image, draw), but not the windowing.

I think that's due to initializing system/view/screen-face - it may 
not actually be trying to open a view window...

I ended up just downloading a /core version to avoid it

I'm trying to get rebcmd running on Suse Enterprise 10 and it complains 
of a missing libXaw7.so.7
Where can I get this from?

debian has a libxaw7 package... http://packages.debian.org/lenny/libxaw7

The file is in those debian packages ..but how to open a deb in Suse?

Give up ... wasted a few hours on this

Hi, I have just joined. Is there a way to increase the font size 
on my screen. I can barely read this text?

try clicking the A icon in the icon bar above the text area.

Clicking on the A icon? Ahah! Got it. Thanks Henrik.

I found this at http://www.wikipublisher.org/wiki/Wikipublisher/InstallationExperiences


Well - I’ve just tracked it down. As you predicted in your comments 
on 00098 this is nothing to do with the XSLTPROC errors - it is all 
to do with PDFLATEX. The script was being prevented from doing the 
necessary by SELINUX, which controls access not just by permissions 
(which were sufficiently open) but by running process. A command


chcon -R -h -t httpd_sys_script_rw_t /usr/share/texmf/* has opened 
things up enough to sort it out.

On the twiki site http://twiki.org/cgi-bin/view/Plugins/GenPDFLatexAddOn

I found this

#  Setup the Latex rendering software


    * Ensure that a latex document preparation system is available to 
    the user name (uid) running the twiki web server.

    * Install any custom latex style files needed. The best suggestion 
    is to create a local texmf tree accessible by the server. For example, 
    for an apache server running as 'nobody' on a linux system:

          o create the directory /home/nobody/texmf/tex/latex, with reasonable 
          permissions.

          o Place the custom .cls and .sty latex files in this directory

          o as user root or nobody, run texhash /home/nobody/texmf to create 
          the ls-R latex database file for the /home/nobody/texmf/ tree.

What is a pity is that this software uses Apache2, php5, and perl 
scripts to achieve the outcome when potentially it could all be done 
by Rebol.

a perfect example of why I love to hate linux in general.