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I have a problem with a program, I build with enface. I include source/view.r 
and use ALERT. It works fine, if I click the ok button in the alert 
dialog with the mouse, but I get an error, if I hit <Return>:

** Script Error: find-key-face has no value
** Where: wake-event


A little research tell me, that wake-event is defined in source/view-object.r 
, but that isn't included in source/view.r , so it probably is automatic 
in, when enface is used. If I include source/view-object.r (before 
including source/view.r), I don't get the error, but then the alert 
window is placed partly outside the screen (because screen-face/size 
isn't set correctly. I can set it manually in source/view-object.r 
, but then I force a certain screen-size, and it won't work with 
other screen sizes. I'm wondering, how REBOL in the first place get 
the correct screen size, probably with some hidden system call!?

Suggestions?

Problem solved. It was because I included source/view.r within a 
context. Doh!

Graham mentioned it was a bug with "request-download" or similar...

I have a application that is spread over around 15 files.. I use 
>>do %file<< to "include" them now. Now I am making a encapped version 
of app. do still tries to do the .r files but they don't exist when 
single exe is created so I get errors. I tried naming all files when 
doing encap but it behved the same. I read about prebol and understand 
that I have to  #include the files but I suppose that won't work

when developing and executing from it directly with >>rebol mainfile.r<< 
because it will need to be prereboled each time? 


Is there a way to make a script that I can encap and run directly 
via .r files? If there is no other way I was thinking about making 
>>either encap [ #include %file.r ] [ do %file.r ]<< but it's not 
the most elegant solution .. Is there any better?

I find it to be far less cumbersome than trying to come up with fancy 
methods of using a single file for do and #include. Especially if 
you are using multi-level includes.

Be sure that you don't do much else but includes in those files. 
This will make sure that after a while, working on your project, 
both files will get steady and no more changes occur, and then you 
won't see there are two different files.

yes, I have multi level do-s a file does app-specific lib file which 
do-es more generic libs etc .. hm I will think about it..

In the build system I use now for my projects, there are two separate 
files. The one I use for development is the 'do, and the one my customer 
gets is the #included version. Then I have a make-file, that builds 
the project and puts it where it needs to be (local webserver), counts 
up the build version. I can build it whenever I want and there are 
no hiccups.


My earlier attempts at a build system was by trying to be fancy, 
i.e. build with as few keypresses as possible. It never worked as 
well as this one.

why not create a target source file and run that?

but then I have to encap everty time I make a change :)

ok .. encap or prerebol every time I make a change .. I could automate 
it so that when I want to text-run app I have some batch file that 
prerebols it and runs it instead of just runs it

I use a .cmd file myself ... to build my sources and then run them.

Sunanda, the "#include: :do" suggestion won't work as #include is 
an issue! not a word! ... I like the line of thought though.

It would not work for me anyway as I use other PREBOL syntax as well. 
Personally I like the issues for such a syntax. I use PREBOL for 
single projects scripts and 'require spec in the script's header 
for other scripts/projects which are required for the single script/project.

I have what I need :) I'm just not sure why the #include should be 
replaced. BTW.. I have one own addition into PREBOL - #include-block 
(which includes data as a block as it's with #include-binary)

Anybody know a workaround for this?

from rebcmdview.exe and/or old desktop:

REBOL []
print length? read/lines http://www.google.com	;; works
print length? read/lines http://www.rebol.com	;; works
print length? read/lines https://www.google.com	;; works
halt

11
242
11

encapsulate (encmdface.exe) above and run the exe:

11
242
** Access Error: Invalid port spec: https://www.google.com
** Near: print length? read/lines https://www.google.com
halt
** Press enter to quit...

happens on any https page

I'll send a message to Rebol.  I have 2.5.6. Thx.

I tried with enface.exe and encmdview.exe  both give a  tile like 
 "REBOL -      "

can you give me the full header? ... I'll just try it as-is to see 
if its a side-effect of the complete header... & or other encap options.

thanks ... knowing that the header was not in cause... alllowed me 
to find the true culprit .... some prerebol oditty which wrapped 
my entire code in a block (my fault in how I was using it).

there is a nice feeling about seeing a 450kb 20 file REBOL script 
being linked as one source , then add another 400 kb of view encap 
code over it and it all works... 

850 kb of REBOL is a hell of a lot of code... I can't imagine how 
much code that would be in C  !!!

:-)

Some customers also get a little weirded out, when they see that 
my biggest programs take 2-3 seconds to download and about 0.1 seconds 
to install and start.

I've had that a few times, "where's the rest of the application ..."

I guess I could use resource hacker...but is there a way to automate 
it during ENCAP

I wrote a function that called encap followed by reshack to solve 
the problem.

What did you use a reshack script?

I tried to make a reshack script to change the icon image but I could 
not get it to work...will have another look..

I simply used CALL to call encap and reshack sequentially. Kind of 
a make-file.

in the SDK docs, there is an example of a reshacker script call.

I've been able to change my icon with res hacker's ui but not via 
a script...i'll have another look at the SDK doc example...

Getting a weird behavior with an encapped app....


It works fine on most computers but on one computer an image in the 
face is not displaying properly...

its as if white space is being added to the right  and bottom sides 
throwing of the layout. 

I tried placing in a box with specific size. THis retains the basic 
layout but the image is squeezed up into a part of the box.
Only a problem on one computer so far ...

as a script I do not see this issue...

I originaly just had teh pic displayed in a layout with "image pic"

I later put in a 'box with specified size (matching the resolution 
of image)

The image was creaed from a layout (to-image)

But the layout also contains a jpg

I can't play with different images now as the offending computer 
is at work...I'll play with it tomorrow night..
Just wanted to see if it was a common problem..

Thanks

there is a strange bug in view where face with edges need a color 
to be specified.  if color is none I've seen screwy thing happen 
with the edges.

try making sure each face has a color, if you see the problem again, 
with another image.

Is the offending system set to use large fonts, or does it have a 
funky video setting (different DPI) that might be the culprit?

In my old VB days, large fonts was a major bugbear.

Is this a bug in rebol encap? Or do other platforms have this same 
issue?

Not sure where to put this so asking here:


I downloaded a web script and it has a  snippet I don't understand:
buffer: make string! 1024         ;; contains the browser request
file: "index.html"
parse buffer ["get" ["http"  |   "/ "  |  copy file to " " ]]

what does:

copy file to " "

mean or do?
tia

copies everything after the http till it reaches a space to a variable 
named file

well, the corrollary of that is .. do existing sdk/command users 
get a refund ...

Well, generally when you buy a TV 1000$ and the price get to down 
to 800$ 2 month later, the shop does not refund the difference. So 
why RT whould ?
Or maybe just those who buy this month (if there is some) !

Yes but only if you bought the TV a short time before tre price goes 
down. Not years.

Is this longest period we have not had a SDK follow a new release?

perhaps, it will be a good idea to make a link with purchase condition 
for sdk buyer before last year.

This need to purchase the sdk if you bought it over a year ago seems 
a little arbitrary ... normally this implies that there has been 
a year's worth of upgrades and fixes over the one year period, but 
the last sdk release was over 2 years ago.

I would want a clear upgrade system. For some reason I ignored the 
yellow box at the top. Now it's more clear, but I still think it 
needs some work.

Graham, in principle, Carl could be speculating in not doing upgrades 
for 366 days, which I think is too easy to perceive as sinister. 
Everyone else do it on version numbers, not time period. Time periods 
are used during the final weeks before an upgrade, so a purchase 
right before an upgrade doesn't seem unreasonable.


Also he says "within the last year", but from what specific date? 
Is this a one time offer?

a better karma and some extrapoints für you kudos-system graham :-))

Well, time donations don't give him food on the table. A better option 
would be licensing of proprietary tech, rather than selling products.

RT should look into how Luxology does it with the 3D modeler, Modo. 
That model is worth copying parts of and is probably possible to 
graft onto RT.

Here's how they do it:


- Create a strong and unique product from scratch using people with 
many years of experience in the business.
- Keep a community forum on the main site.

- Keep a community creation portfolio on the main site. That's important, 
perhaps more than the forum.

- Have a charismatic front person who is daily in touch with the 
community. Creates a weekly podcast that also includes personal content 
and interviews.

- This person is so close in contact with the community that he can 
discuss product pricing and licensing with the community.

- Being a private company, they are free to opine on the policies 
of other companies, and Adobe and Autodesk are often criticized openly 
by Luxology.
- Make it really, really, really, REALLY easy to buy the program.
- Make upgrade paths really, really clear.

- Make the licensing scheme very loose. Don't bind it to a platform, 
but to a computer.

- Create content, tutorials and other items that are purchasable 
for a small amount (10-20 USD or so).

- Paid content is really cleverly done as an extension of the program. 
You can buy "kits" that for example let you easily set up studio 
lighting. This allows people to use the program in ways that were 
not originally intended or would be laborious to build on your own. 
In a sense, the 3D modeler is suddenly not only attracting 3D artists 
but photographers as well. It works similarly to how modules would 
work in R3. I suspect this will be one of their main income sources.

- Keep proprietary tech to yourself and license it to various vendors. 
This seems to be what they are mainly making their money on now.


This model works really well for them and they are growing constantly 
and with a fanbase about as strong and loyal as RTs. Luxology feels 
like a distinctively non-corporate entity, and like more a bunch 
of people having fun. Purely through years of word of mouth they 
got their program visible in one of the featurettes for the Avatar 
movie and on the Apple website demoing the Mac Pro. They even have 
guys from Pixar on the forums and making tutorials. Modo is known 
for being different than other 3D modelers much like in the same 
way that REBOL is different from other programming languages, making 
it fun to use.


In a sense REBOL as a product is not dissimilar to Modo (it's fun 
to use) and with their business model already working, I think it 
could be grafted onto RT's business model.

RT is a single person ... I don't think it's possible for one person 
to do all of this

Graham, the changes doc doesn't include most of the changes yet. 
It's a permissions issue on the new rebol.com site.

It would be nice if there was a bundle option ... "Buy all SDK's 
for only ...".

Is this a bug ?

hello all, as a long time licensee of rebol SDK, I upgraded to 2.7.7 
for

Sorry, I repeat... I upgraded to sdk 2.7.7 for $50. I am a very old 
Command and SDK legally licensed user. I am a macosx and windows 
user. My original license was for windows. According to a mail from 
Cindy, when upgrading to 2.7.7 existing license file would work for 
all platforms. I am willing to support rebol development and this 
why I choose to upgrade even if I do not really have the use for 
such a minor update. But, it looks that current sdk 2.7.7 release 
is not really bullet proof: under macosx, rebcmd et rebpro complain 
they could not find a valid license key file, while encap binaries 
seem to recognize my license key. Under windows XP, my license seem 
to be recognized, but rebcmd returns the following error: 'REBOL 
Internal Error: Boot error: 316' Anyone enconutering such problems? 
Thanks in advance.

I have also been having problems with the Windows SDK. I was supposed 
to be sent a new license for all platforms, but never received it.

The 2.7.7 release wasn't originally going to be an SDK update, but 
we realized the changes were quite minor, so did it anyway. "A mistake." 
The 2.7.8 release will be correct for the SDK/Command etc.

I have command sdk license for Windows and also a separate sdk license 
for linux.  So, there is no point in upgrading both ??

probe the keystrokes events within a face to see just what is happening.

So, do we have to wait for 2.7.8 SDK to upgrade ? What about the 
upgrade command inside Rebol? When R3 is finished, do we have to 
buy a new sdk for R3?

2.7.7 sdk seems to be a mistake.

I would expect that you either won't need a sdk for R3 if you have 
host kit ... or, it will cost you :)

the message is that it costs $50 to upgrade and that's good for a 
year

Making $$ from languages is a dead end

It's a micro economy .. the $$ is to be made from consulting

and you don't get consulting requests unless you have ( usually ) 
a popular language

noop,  I'm doing wonderful things with rebol.. Take a look. http://www.tse.gov.br/internet/cd/tse/index.html

I seem to have misplaced my linux sdk license key purchased a few 
years ago.  I thought maybe I could use my windows license key instead 
.. but sadly, no go.  Oh well, emailed sales  to see if they can 
resend it to me.

If you mean debugging an encapped app, there is no single best way. 
It depends on the app. If you have a system in place for catching 
errors, and logging them, that can help a lot.

I have an encapped program that has worked for years.  But it contains 
a password, and the password had to be changed. Now it won't work 
when encapped. I get:

Louis, were you using a function named 'funct in your encapped application? 
As of 2.7.7, there is now a FUNCT mezzanine.

The error message says can not use a path on none! so there is a 
problem with view ...

Oh, I just got it, 'funct is a local parameter - that won't even 
be a problem eventually, nevermind my first message :)

yes.. it's a parameter to insert-event-func ... as I mentioned above!

ASSERT is supposed to be added in 2.7.8, as a native.

is there a reshack.r wrapper anyone has done?

if I drag a script onto enface.exe and it encaps successfully, where 
is the script put?

Yes, I never do that Henrik. I've used a number of systems over the 
years (I think I posted my enlist script on rebol.org), and now generally 
use build and encap scripts, with Ladislav's INCLUDE as the foundation. 
In the encap script I include all the reshacker stuff to set the 
icon and version info.

I even prebol stuff manually before calling the encap it allows for 
a bit more flexibility and control over the whole process.

Gregg, that would be a good tutorial on encapping with the Gregg 
method. I don't do much encapping so each time is a hit or miss and 
I reshack manually which adds to the time.

I have a quick and dirty project generator that spits out the basics 
for simple REBOL projects. I'm not sure it's worth publishing, but 
I'm happy to pass it on to anyone who wants to review and comment.

Gregg, your work is always appreciated. And yes, I spent a few hours 
with version info myself the last time I had the great idea to change 
that. Which just reminded me that I wonder if I bothered to write 
down what did work... Oh, the insanity, oh the inanity.

Thanks Ashley. That was the info I used a few weeks back to get out 
of jam.

I haven't run a lot of them, but the main things I've hit were permission 
related.

Is it a View window or the console that doesn't open?

Just tested a couple here, and they worked fine. Is it a normal PC, 
or could there be some odd video driver issue going on?

I had a report from a user that it did not work on his sys (do not 
know his sys) so I asked my brother to try it. He is using a laptop.

When it first runs (if) it will download some support files and a 
large database (100megs).

I think that I've had this issue even in xp when I was starting the 
application using "capture output" of my text editor or something 
like that. 

so that the window app hangs while its trying to connect to the console 
ports.


IIRC you can setup a CALL command in REBOL which ends up doing the 
same thing though I don't remember how.

Thanks Gregg...Now what! 


I'll have to get my hands on a win 7 machine and play with it I guess...

just thought I'd share my positive experience with a little app I 
just downloaded which *finally* makes creating icons for rebol easy 
and free:


the editing is simple, but its batch mode is really fast and it works 
very well!   just select one file, select all the resolutions you 
need (check out the rebol icon first) and go.

in 2 seconds you have an icon for use by rebol!

I checked a few sites and they all claim it to be free of malware 

http://icofx.ro/

I've used IcoFX for quite a while. It works well for my simple needs.

not enough memory

 ... I'm getting either that one right now or a decompression error. 
 I'm fairly sure the only change I've made is to source code. Ideas?