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Oh boy. 


First, I *have* been contacted to ask if I could take certain actions, 
but not by RT. RT made me a world master here, which *I* consider 
to be form of moderator (with the main task being to assign and maintain 
accounts), though there is not a definite job description sitting 
on my desk. Now, I am also a regular user in this world, and there 
are definitely conflicts for me WRT those positions.


As I've said before, I enjoy a good chat as much as anyone, and I 
*don't* want to censor people here, but that may be necessary at 
some point, wouldn't you agree? If someone were quite obviously, 
in the opinion of 99.9% of the people here, abusive, rude, offensive, 
etc. should they be allowed to run rampant and ruin this world for 
everyone else? I don't think so; maybe you do.


When I joined the REBOL community, one of the main attractions was 
the high level of mutual respect, the generosity towards newcomers, 
and the complete *lack* of the venom you sometimes see unleashed 
in other language communities. *That* is what kept *me* coming back. 
The more argumentative discussions and personal jibes people see, 
the less likely they are to post, IME, because they don't want to 
be attacked themselves and if that's the tone they often see, it's 
what they will expect. 


When it comes to content, as a world master and a user *I* think 
that *most* channels here *should* be REBOL related. The world is 
called "REBOL", and I think RT created and sponsors it for the REBOL 
community. That's my view; that's how I view the ML as well. There 
are probably at least 20-25 non-REBOL, non-Technical groups here 
now; that's quite a lot IMO. There are times that I would really 
like to clean this world up a bit, and as a user I could, but as 
a world master I don't feel that I can because someone will complain 
that I'm trying to censor or control things here (so if I ever do 
that, get mad at me as a user, not as a world master :-).  


Petr, I'm sorry you feel that I'm trying to limit free speech here, 
or to control anyone's behavior; I made some *suggestions* I thought 
were appropriate. I spent a *lot* of time writing and editing my 
posts in the hope that they weren't too strong, but still got my 
view across. If you think that you should be able to use this world 
for anything you want, personally, I disagree; it's RTs world and 
we are guests in their house. If there is something specific in my 
posts that offended you, please let me know what it was.


As a user, I haven't been around much lately. Mostly my schedule 
is the cause, but maybe it's also because the technical value of 
the world has been diluted (IMO) by noise, so I'm just not as "driven" 
to come here and make time to participate. I'm normally on dial-up, 
so that affects download time, yes. Right now, I'm on a fast connection 
but the noise is still a problem because I have to visit all the 
groups that come up red to see what's new, and if I only have a small 
amount of time to spend, it may all get eaten up just skimming what 
others posted. Also, the more noise there is, and the more we get 
in the habit of talking about non-technical stuff here (again, this 
is all *my* opinion), the more chance there is for it to leak out 
into other groups, and it does. 


The camaraderie comes from the people; the technical value comes 
from the experts  who often focus on that aspect and may stop coming 
if there's too much noise here. When that happens, the value of the 
world is diminished. 


Well, my time is long gone for writing here, but I hope that helps 
clarify my position.

AShley there is a problem rendering this in MDViewer
<c red>t</c><c orange>e</c><c orange>s</c><c yellow>t</c>

But with the same engine that works perfectly in MDP-GUI (with a 
little bad redering on the s caracter I don't know why..)

I agree Graham.
A community that drives away members is not a good model.

I'm glad Gregg has taken the initiative to remind us why we are here 
in the first place.

Peter, your announcement at the top of the Announce group is abuse. 
  I did delete the old announcement group because I accidentally 
made a few errant posts.. I looked at the FEW old posts that were 
already there, and seeing that they were all now irrelevant (time 
based), I deleted the group to clean it up.  I then made the single 
post that I had intended to make.


You took it upon yourself to delete the group again.. with my single 
post, and then make accusations towards me (at the top of this group) 
as if i had some kind of alterior motive?  Why did you feel to delete 
my one post?   Shall I cry 'personal abuse'?

Eitherway, I'm gonna bail.  Instead of intelligent debate, I'm spending 
more time defending myself.  Besides.  The whole Rebol dynamic seems 
to be continuously grinding towards a halt.  

Have a nice life. 

(PS - Calling anyone a 'god' IS apple polishing)

Agreed, I had a little chuckle too :-)

interesting thing I use a html/php interfaces netgear eth/wifi routeur 
but I think with rebol this kind of config interface could be very 
much interesting

Wouldn't it be a much smaller load on the router as well? Seems that 
way to me, anyhow.

I just joined up my office with a wireless provider

jaime that was not a bad remark not at all in fact I like the RASTA 
acronym it's pretty fun  ;)

it's a hight range difusion interface  ;)

Sounds perfect for where I'm at right now...  Small community with 
several friends nearby.  I'm always helping them with their computers 
anyhow.   With a couple of these I could have us all connected. ;-)

As matter fact I had build a lot of those networks close to 100 sites.

One of the networks is spread over 50 km radius connecting the stores 
of a retail chain in the city of bogota. This is going to be the 
next case study.

what's the cost of a broadcast unit, and a receiver?

For Small Biz LAN we are coming out with a unit that will go around 
$400. I am trying to make it close to $200, but still struggling 
with some costs.

2.4 Ghz with 2400 series. We will have in about a two months the 
5800 series which operates at 5.8Ghz, possibly at 4.9Ghz too.

With a good antenna the small biz lan can do 30 km

Yes, and a lot of other stuff, telephones, meters, etc.

My father's house is about 50m down the road .. so if I were to get 
one of these small biz units, mount it outside on the roof, and he 
were to get a radio modem, I would be able to provide him with access 
to my cable internet?

I have friend here in CZ, who did very GOOD AP, where you can use 
card of any arbitrary chipset producer (Atheros, others). He uses 
IP2K CPU from Ubicom. The same one we use for our projects. But he 
has a bit difficulcy to sell here. It is much better but also more 
expensive than e.g. Ovislink.

Well I have issues with UBICOM. Our AP does a lot more that just 
route the pkts.  We can provide a lot functionalty because we had 
a real processor.

he uses the "Rebol" way - not typically a webserver to configure, 
but externall app (currently for linux and Win)

btw - we were looking for ideal router, proxy, traffic shaper, wireless, 
etc. kind of system, first we played with BSD based m0n0wall, then 
we found what we regard nearly ideal, although not necessarily free, 
but way cheaper than SmoothWall etc. Have you ever heard of Mikrotik.com? 
Guy from Latvia IIRC, very clever design, go and study a bit, maybe 
you will find some good things in there. What is cool with their 
system is scripting language for dynamic creation of some rules/configuration 
on the fly ... they use externall app too, which is downloaded to 
your machine from router though ...

jaime for linux GUI you get a lot of possibilities rebol.view, WX, 
GTK+; QT, X11, TK

Pekr. I think you will find our configuration tools really cool. 
 I will be releasing some updates to the website in a next month. 
 So keep your eyes open.

So for me it is close to what a router does. It tell the packets 
which way to go. And the the kernel put them in the right street, 
I mean interface.

Jaime, I sent you a private question regarding your quote.

BTW. Pekr we have some graphical tools that let you construct this 
type of instructions very easily. My objective has been that anyone 
should be able to manage a unit. But I am getting ahead the game 
here this is coming in our next releases. I think is going to blow 
the eyes of some of our competitors.

Tomc, I'm not sure how that would work ... apart from sticking it 
on to a public utility lampost ... I wouldn't be able to get a wire 
to it.  

Or, perhaps I could use power other ethernet and just get a very 
long ethernet cable :)

saying you use REBOL will not explain  how you use it and how you 
manage to use it .. it would show that REBOL is a viable solution 
for this kind of applications

Graham 100m is a very easy link for us to do. You don't need any 
special equipment. One of the cards that I mention will suffice.

Only thing you need is a Rasta in your roof. But I must say that 
it depends on the terrain and if there are too many obstacles.

We are deciding on making a press release a mentioning obsd and rebol

I can afford a $200 RASTA :)

sure and if you share your cable link with 10 people that paid you 
10 $ a month then you will rentabilise your invest in 2 month ,)

The $200 is not an access point it is a client device.

graham you can turn to a provider ;)

GRaham the basic card and a one to one config of the DHCP (oui server 
192.168.0.1 and one client with no ip ;))

A Rasta 2421-D or 2421-T. Maybe I should think about a single radio 
unit. So far in the market that I had sold it has not being requested.

And these cost a lot more??

I am in the process of closing a deal with Jaime on the purchase 
of a D and a T Rasta unit.  Looking forward to testing the units.... 
 I was impressed with the Rasta Jaime allowed us to connect with 
at the hotel during the Rebol DevCon last year.

Nice tutorial Brian.

One way to notice very fast if you are reusing  words is to start 
a session with
  protect-system
or add it to your user.r file.
It can prevent stoopid coding errors --  like the time I wrote
    return: true
rather than
    return true

(that failed much later than you'd expect, and in a very strange 
way)

but a printable view could link to a single page view ?

Actually, the fact that 'difference was taken forced me to think 
of a better name. Much appreciated :-)

Great article. Kudos, eFishAnt & Gregg :-)


Question - is this program intended to run against the official REBOL/View 
or a beta?

I don't get a menu on top of the spreadsheet window

there will be a download...not everything is up yet.  The one-page, 
then a more complete one and the two spreadsheets will be in a downloadable 
archive.

It will work on View 1.2.1.. but without the buttons, although it 
could be made to show the buttons with a bit more work, but runs 
on the alpha as well... http://www.efishantsea.com/nano-sheets.zip

Gregg did a lot of the work, he just was busy this past week so I 
finished the legwork on it.

work on it for a couple of more weeks and you'd have a spreadsheet 
that would be fully usable. this is so impressive.

go for a quantrix style spreadsheet

the Quantrix Modeler is one of those tools that lift productivty 
to a new level and is ignored by the public. just like rebol :-(

For the record,  REBOL.net and REBOL.org both look good for the next 
three years.


But a useful reminder for all of us to check our domains before it's 
too late.

And not to lose the email address to which the registrar sends reminders.....Email 
may be dead, but it's heart hasn't stopped beating yet.

huh, did not try rebol.com untill now, that is really a bad for RT 
to forget to renew domain ;-)

shouldn't anyone in US give RT a call to notify them?

I had to wait a week or more with my domain lapsed before networksolutions 
gave it up and allowed me to register it again with new registrar

Help, Help, its a runaway spreadsheet!

however, functionality is an important critieria in the contest...so 
everyone knows the competition is still open...I have seen a calendar, 
some web stats, etc that have been done thus far...

copy value to end (trim value)


I always have problems with these types of statements in real world 
data, cause if 'value becomes none, then 'trim will throw a wobbly

Thanks. From a beginner, for beginners :-)

Graham - What is a better way to create the battery-file filename?

Maxim: Spreadsheet  and/or Announce....just make a spreadsheet for 
nano-sheets.r from article, and winner gets $50 prize.

I think if I were to rewrite I would use 'rejoin instead.


Still, it's sort of a marker of my knowledge right now. I want to 
let it simmer for a bit before I go in and start trouching it up.

Okay, i went ahead and changed "to-file join ..." to "rejoin [ ..."


Also threw in a little check for zero bit in calculating remaining 
time.

Graham, the overview was mainly so I had a single page linking to 
documentation :-)

It's not a short paste...
[HTTPd] ================== NEW REQUEST ==================

                                                         [HTTPd] Request Line=>GET /testapp/ HTTP/1.1

                                                                                                     [HTTPd] Request Headers=>
Host: localhost:8080

User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; U; Linux i686; en-US; rv:1.8.1.3) Gecko/20070310 
Iceweasel/2.0.0.3 (Debian-2.0.0.3-1)

Accept: text/xml,application/xml,application/xhtml+xml,text/html;q=0.9,text/plain;q=0.8,image/png,*/*;q=0.5
Accept-Language: en-us,en;q=0.5
Accept-Encoding: gzip,deflate
Accept-Charset: ISO-8859-1,utf-8;q=0.7,*;q=0.7
Keep-Alive: 300
Connection: keep-alive


[HTTPd] Phase url-to-filename done ( mod-alias )

                                                [HTTPd] Phase url-to-filename done ( mod-rsp )

                                                                                              [HTTPd] Phase url-to-filename done ( mod-fastcgi )
   [HTTPd] Phase url-to-filename done ( mod-static )

                                                    [HTTPd] Phase access-check done ( mod-action )

                                                                                                  [HTTPd] Phase set-mime-type done ( mod-action )
    [HTTPd] Phase make-response done ( mod-rsp )

                                                [HTTPd] Response=>

                                                                  HTTP/1.1 302 Moved Temporarily
Server: Cheyenne/0.9.11
Connection: close
Location: /testapp/login.rsp


[HTTPd] Phase logging done ( mod-static )

                                         [HTTPd] Phase clean-up done ( mod-rsp )

                                                                                [HTTPd] Connection closed

[HTTPd] ================== NEW REQUEST ==================        
                                        /

                                                         [HTTPd] Request Line=>GET /testapp/login.rsp HTTP/1.1

                                                                                                              [HTTPd] Request Headers=>
Host: localhost:8080

User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; U; Linux i686; en-US; rv:1.8.1.3) Gecko/20070310 
Iceweasel/2.0.0.3 (Debian-2.0.0.3-1)

Accept: text/xml,application/xml,application/xhtml+xml,text/html;q=0.9,text/plain;q=0.8,image/png,*/*;q=0.5
Accept-Language: en-us,en;q=0.5
Accept-Encoding: gzip,deflate
Accept-Charset: ISO-8859-1,utf-8;q=0.7,*;q=0.7
Keep-Alive: 300
Connection: keep-alive


[HTTPd] Phase url-to-filename done ( mod-alias )

                                                [HTTPd] Phase url-to-filename done ( mod-rsp )

                                                                                              [HTTPd] Phase url-to-filename done ( mod-fastcgi )
   [HTTPd] Phase url-to-filename done ( mod-static )

                                                    [HTTPd] Phase access-check done ( mod-action )

                                                                                                  [HTTPd] Phase set-mime-type done ( mod-action )
    [HTTPd] Phase make-response done ( mod-rsp )
[HTTPd] Response=>
                  HTTP/1.1 200 OK
Server: Cheyenne/0.9.11
Content-Length: 482
Content-Type: text/html
Connection: Keep-Alive

Set-Cookie: RSPSID=EISPOMAZTPDFKVIWJAFONZDE; expires=Sat, 02 Jun 
2007 11:54:30 GMT; path=/testapp; HttpOnly
Pragma: no-cache
Cache-Control: no-cache, must-revalidate
Expires: Thu, 01 Dec 1994 16:00:00 GMT


[HTTPd] Phase logging done ( mod-static )

                                         [HTTPd] Phase clean-up done ( mod-rsp )

                                                                                [HTTPd] Phase task-done done ( mod-rsp )

[HTTPd] ================== NEW REQUEST ==================        
                                                       \

                                                         [HTTPd] Request Line=>POST /testapp/login.rsp HTTP/1.1

                                                                                                               [HTTPd] Request Headers=>
Host: localhost:8080

User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; U; Linux i686; en-US; rv:1.8.1.3) Gecko/20070310 
Iceweasel/2.0.0.3 (Debian-2.0.0.3-1)

Accept: text/xml,application/xml,application/xhtml+xml,text/html;q=0.9,text/plain;q=0.8,image/png,*/*;q=0.5
Accept-Language: en-us,en;q=0.5
Accept-Encoding: gzip,deflate
Accept-Charset: ISO-8859-1,utf-8;q=0.7,*;q=0.7
Keep-Alive: 300
Connection: keep-alive
Referer: http://localhost:8080/testapp/login.rsp
Content-Type: application/x-www-form-urlencoded
Content-Length: 23


[HTTPd] Phase url-to-filename done ( mod-alias )

                                                [HTTPd] Phase url-to-filename done ( mod-rsp )

                                                                                              [HTTPd] Phase url-to-filename done ( mod-fastcgi )
   [HTTPd] Phase url-to-filename done ( mod-static )

                                                    [HTTPd] Posted data=>login=test&pass=letmein

                                                                                                [HTTPd] Phase access-check done ( mod-action )
 [HTTPd] Phase set-mime-type done ( mod-action )

                                                [HTTPd] Phase make-response done ( mod-rsp )
[HTTPd] Response=>
                  HTTP/1.1 301 Moved Permanently
Server: Cheyenne/0.9.11
Connection: close
Location: /testapp/

Set-Cookie: RSPSID=YDADUIONKJPHLFBWEDZDFCXN; expires=Sat, 02 Jun 
2007 11:54:37 GMT; path=/testapp; HttpOnly


[HTTPd] Phase logging done ( mod-static )

                                         [HTTPd] Phase clean-up done ( mod-rsp )

                                                                                [HTTPd] Phase task-done done ( mod-rsp )

                                                                                                                        [HTTPd] Connection closed
    [HTTPd] ================== NEW REQUEST ==================

                                                             [HTTPd] Request Line=>GET /testapp/ HTTP/1.1

                                                                                                         [HTTPd] Request Headers=>
Host: localhost:8080

User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; U; Linux i686; en-US; rv:1.8.1.3) Gecko/20070310 
Iceweasel/2.0.0.3 (Debian-2.0.0.3-1)

Accept: text/xml,application/xml,application/xhtml+xml,text/html;q=0.9,text/plain;q=0.8,image/png,*/*;q=0.5
Accept-Language: en-us,en;q=0.5
Accept-Encoding: gzip,deflate
Accept-Charset: ISO-8859-1,utf-8;q=0.7,*;q=0.7
Keep-Alive: 300
Connection: keep-alive
Referer: http://localhost:8080/testapp/login.rsp


[HTTPd] Phase url-to-filename done ( mod-alias )

                                                [HTTPd] Phase url-to-filename done ( mod-rsp )

                                                                                              [HTTPd] Phase url-to-filename done ( mod-fastcgi )
   [HTTPd] Phase url-to-filename done ( mod-static )

                                                    [HTTPd] Phase access-check done ( mod-action )

                                                                                                  [HTTPd] Phase set-mime-type done ( mod-action )
    [HTTPd] Phase make-response done ( mod-rsp )

                                                [HTTPd] Response=>

                                                                  HTTP/1.1 302 Moved Temporarily
Server: Cheyenne/0.9.11
Connection: close
Location: /testapp/login.rsp


[HTTPd] Phase logging done ( mod-static )

                                         [HTTPd] Phase clean-up done ( mod-rsp )

                                                                                [HTTPd] Connection closed

                                                                                                         [HTTPd] ================== NEW REQUEST ==================

                     [HTTPd] Request Line=>GET /testapp/login.rsp HTTP/1.1

                                                                          [HTTPd] Request Headers=>
Host: localhost:8080

User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; U; Linux i686; en-US; rv:1.8.1.3) Gecko/20070310 
Iceweasel/2.0.0.3 (Debian-2.0.0.3-1)

Accept: text/xml,application/xml,application/xhtml+xml,text/html;q=0.9,text/plain;q=0.8,image/png,*/*;q=0.5
Accept-Language: en-us,en;q=0.5
Accept-Encoding: gzip,deflate
Accept-Charset: ISO-8859-1,utf-8;q=0.7,*;q=0.7
Keep-Alive: 300
Connection: keep-alive
Referer: http://localhost:8080/testapp/login.rsp


[HTTPd] Phase url-to-filename done ( mod-alias )

                                                [HTTPd] Phase url-to-filename done ( mod-rsp )

                                                                                              [HTTPd] Phase url-to-filename done ( mod-fastcgi )
   [HTTPd] Phase url-to-filename done ( mod-static )

                                                    [HTTPd] Phase access-check done ( mod-action )

                                                                                                  [HTTPd] Phase set-mime-type done ( mod-action )
    [HTTPd] Phase make-response done ( mod-rsp )

                                                [HTTPd] Response=>

                                                                  HTTP/1.1 200 OK
Server: Cheyenne/0.9.11
Content-Length: 482
Content-Type: text/html
Connection: Keep-Alive

Set-Cookie: RSPSID=RTJSUKAVYBNOLCJCJBSTNUHP; expires=Sat, 02 Jun 
2007 11:54:37 GMT; path=/testapp; HttpOnly
Pragma: no-cache
Cache-Control: no-cache, must-revalidate
Expires: Thu, 01 Dec 1994 16:00:00 GMT


[HTTPd] Phase logging done ( mod-static )

                                         [HTTPd] Phase clean-up done ( mod-rsp )

                                                                                [HTTPd] Phase task-done done ( mod-rsp )

; To add a new virtual host just duplicate and fill the following
; example host :
;
; my.vhost.com [
;	root-dir %/www/			; documents root directory
;	default [...]			; default files
; ]

You're right, I get caught a few times too :-)

I've been playing.

login.rsp

<%
	user: "test"
	pass: "letmein"

        print [<html> <body> <pre>]
        help request
        help request/content
        help session
        help session/content
        print [</pre> </body> </html>]

	in-user: select request/content 'login
	in-pass: select request/content 'pass
	
	if all [user = in-user pass = in-pass][
		session/content/login?: yes
		response/redirect "/testapp"
	]
%>

REQUEST/CONTENT is a block of value: []

Everytime through...first time and after filling in the login form.

Brian: are you using a local proxy or special plugins for Ice weasel 
?

I know that this is going to be a  DOH!  when it starts working :) 
 Something my eye
isn't catching...

Tried a few times.   Start Session, redisplays as Start Session... 
 I've plopped a few
help lines in the manual.rsp.

did you try only on localhost ? can you add something like "127.0.0.1 
domain.local" in your /etc/hosts file and in the http.cfg add a corresponding 
domain preference

Sorry gentlemen, I'm being dragged away for a bit.  Thanks for all 
the help.  Should be

back within the hour, but please don't waste any more time on my 
account.  I'll pester
people with more info shortly  :)

look at the headers first there must be a difference between what 
cheyenne and other webservers send, or maybe the problem is localhost, 
or the headers orders, in your case ;-)

Good point Will, this looks like a domain mismatch between the browser 
and the server (that would explain why the session cookies are not 
sent back to the server).

Hello again.  Tried the following...

dev [
    root-dir %www/
    default [%dev.rsp %dev.cgi %dev.html]
]

added to httpd.cfg  (dev is  192.168.1.102 in /etc/hosts)

%dev.rsp is
<html>
<head>
	<title> Manual Sessions</title>
</head>
<body>
<img src="logo.png">
<center>
<h2>Manual session mode</h2>


<% help session  help request session/start  help session response/redirect 
"show.rsp" %>
 
<BR><BR>Your ID is :  <%=session/id%><BR><BR>

<a href="show.rsp">Test RSP script</a>
</center>
</body>
</html> 

%raw.r is
REBOL []

port: open tcp://dev:8080
insert port {GET / HTTP/1.1
Host: dev:8080
User-Agent: REBOL/Core
Connection: close

}
result: copy port
close port
print result

Output from a Ice Weasel  http://dev:8080       - dev.rsp redirects 
to show.rsp...
Back

Timestamp: 2-Jun-2007/19:37:48-4:00

Request parameters :

    * HTTP Method: GET
    * HTTP Port: 8080
    * Client IP address: 192.168.1.102

Request headers :

    * Host : "dev"

    * User-Agent : {Mozilla/5.0 (X11; U; Linux i686; en-US; rv:1.8.1.3) 
    Gecko/20070310 Iceweasel/2.0.0.3 (Debian-2.0.0.3-1)}

    * Accept : {text/xml,application/xml,application/xhtml+xml,text/html;q=0.9,text/plain;q=0.8,image/png,*/*;q=0.5}
    * Accept-Language : "en-us,en;q=0.5"
    * Accept-Encoding : "gzip,deflate"
    * Accept-Charset : "ISO-8859-1,utf-8;q=0.7,*;q=0.7"
    * Keep-Alive : "300"
    * Connection : "keep-alive"

Request variables :

    * No variable passed

Session :

    * No session

Yep, I've been thinking the same thing...the 'killer app' that everyone 
talks about may

just be a melding of many REBOL apps in a 'killer development environment'.

It would be nice if someone created a vmware linux image with vmware 
tools installed, and a rebol server environment.

This is a pretty nice system Doc has given us...I still can't get 
sessions to work, but
I'm leaning to RSP for all future pages...

Nope.  I'm stubborn.  I'll be a Debian till the end...

Cool.  I'll spend some more time on this tomorrow.  I know that it'll 
be a simple little
thing that I'm not seeing.  :)

But I'm learning quite a bit tracking it down... so s'all good.

I'm getting a few crashes using rsp with debug turned off :(

I think the whole asp, php, rsp model is done.  Embedding code into 
a standard page will be replaced by dynamically generated pages.

Nenad, which modules are required for basic operation?  I'd like 
to build a single module that intercepts every request.

Terry;  I'm still a level 1 webmaster...anything beyond .html  is 
rocket science  :)

Nenad, can you give a brief explanation on how module's first, normal, 
and last operate?

tcpflow doesn't do ipv6 thought, I would go wireshark (new name for 
ethereal), it's a good learning tool 8-)

are you passing a file! type to INCLUDE-FILE ?

<html>
<head>
<% include-file %button-header.js %>

	<title>Welcome to TestApp web application</title>
</head>
<body>
<img src="logo.png">
<center>
<% include-file %button-form.js %>
<a href="logout.rsp">Logout</a>
</center>
</body>
</html>

hey Doc.. while you're here...  I want to trap all 404s and process 
them (in other words, there's no such thing as a 404 where I am).. 
how would I do that?

Another way to put it.. I want to map all urls to a single module

Also I tried a make-response phase in  a module, but it never fired?

yeah.. I got to this part.. 

Here's a typical phase implementation :

url-translate: func

doesn't do much except authenticate and produce a menu

right: FALSE will let other module a chance to process the phase, 
TRUE will close the phase.