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Dockimbel -- could we have some way of searching (or sorting results) 
according to Submitter name?

I just tried to have a quick scan of all my contributions to the 
R3 bugs (see discussion in REBOL3 group).
It was not easy.

I'd especially like an easy way to find FIXed bugs by submitter name......That'd 
remind and encourage me to test the ones I'd raised.

Did anyone tried to play with CureCode's API yet? Should be fairly 
easy to make a VID-based popup notifier for new or modified tickets.

Should be also easy to integrate in RebDev, so you could see a ticket 
content without going in the browser. Or maybe just by extending 
the 'bugs function to accept an issue! ID and display the ticket 
in console...

I thought about doing that for the last release, but didn't had the 
time. I should be able to work a little on that next weekend. IIRC 
Gabriele wrote a small popup notifier app in View (was it for incoming 
emails?) with a nice slide in effect.

does anyone think it would be even remotely possible to write a one-time 
exporter from bugzilla to curecode?

I have a question for CureCode users : do you think that adding a 
rich text editor for Description and Comment editing areas would 
be a usefull addition? See an example of such integrated rich text 
editor in the bottom of the page there : http://www.cheyenne-server.org/blog.rsp?view=19&cmt=on

One drawback of such change would be that these fields would be stored 
as HTML in the database making them less easily usable for external 
non-HTML renderers (like making a View-based client, or integrating 
in a IDE).

I'd rather see a possibility for wrapping code in preformatting tags. 
Rich text is not important in comments.

I sometimes use a few HTML tags for CureCode tickets like : <B>, 
<U>, <I> and <A>, but not much more. Having to type HTML code inside 
text areas is not a clean method, that's why I proposed an integrated 
WYSIWYG editor. But it seems not adequate to R3 users. I might add 
it as an option for our customers in a future CureCode version, thought.

yes, for links it's also helpfull.. I agree that <a href=...> or 
other html stuff inside of comments field is not that great

Bugzilla exporter: sure, it's possible, but requires a significant 
amount of work to make the mapping between the Bugzilla and CC data 
models. 

Bugzilla: http://www.bugzilla.org/docs/2.16/images/dbschema.jpg

CureCode: http://softinnov.org/dl/DB-schema.png(not the latest version, 
but close enough)


Btw, I did some similar work when I migrated tickets from AltMe tracker 
to CC. You can find the migration script in R3-alpha world (cached 
locally at altme\worlds\r3-alpha\files\Users\DocKimbel\migrate.r)

Brock: well, I guess that's maybe because, sometimes, the "cure" 
can be worst than the desease, so you might want to call it a "curse". 
;-)

I'm about to release a new CureCode version in a few hours, let me 
know if you have some bugs/issues to fix.

If I click Detail and click a header, it just jumps back to Preset 
and doesn't sort. There is an orderby=N in the header though.

oh, you're right. I wonder if there could be a UI tweak done here.

I could refresh the list below when you jump in Detail mode (and 
clear it when jumping in Search mode), but that means doing a quite 
big SQL query on all the tickets each time you switch from one mode 
to another...I tried to avoid that in exchange to a little less intuivite 
UI. Maybe there's some better solution.

An alternative would be to blank the list when switching mode. That 
perhaps will lead the user to see that an action needs to be done 
to display a list that corresponds with the search query.

Most of Preset filters are supposed to show you the ticket list in 
a particular order. Letting users change the order would make the 
resulting list inconsistent with the displayed filter.

Default to blank: sounds like a good and simple solution (I would 
keep the auto-listing when jumping back to the Preset filters mode).

Found this interesting little thing in Chrome but not Safari:

Go to Presets
Set Unreviewed Submissions
Select bug#481

I get a redirect loop error message.

Chrome puts a lower limit on the number of redirects than any other 
browser.

For now, but that may change. CureCode is built on a multi-project 
model.

Nick, I'm throwing my questions into a wiki, which will eventually 
become the Wiki to tell people everything they need to know to jump 
into the DevCon.

This is a public syndicated version of the Wiki


https://www.qtask.com/qwiki.cgi?mode=previewSynd&uuid=89Q6MQ8PFN5YU27HNSV87LWB22QT


If you want to edit the Wiki, you simply need to be a member of the 
REBOL SIG project in Qtask.


If anyone wants in, just shoot me a message with the email address 
you want me to use.  There are already about 70+ people in the project.


Here is the link to the editable Wiki  https://www.qtask.com/quilt.fcgi#qwiki-8382?project=198

I'm getting a 404 ... odd.

I just bounded a bunch of pings around the world, they all work.
Also just tested Sprint's network to it, they work too.

Graham, I remember such a problem. Did you check the filetypes in 
explorer?

Graham, what happens if you in Windows start a cmd and type:
start http://www.rebol.com

(I can't remember, where the problem is, so I'm just giving ideas.)

Note to self: when designing an OS, don't create a registry!!!

I would, because the memory and screen usage are a better fit for 
the netbook I do most of my stuff from nowadays :)

I'm a fan of Chrome, but it is too buggy for me still.  If FF speeds 
up JavaScript, I'll stick with it.  However, we are thinking of releasing 
a custom version of Chrome for Qtask.

(I was aware this was public, but hte Qtask link that is public is 
public, and the other link requires a password).

Pekr, I think you jumped to a conclusion.  It is not that one needs 
to release their own browser, but rather that you can do some fun 
skinning, and also offline more, which all browsers don't support 
yet.

For example, you can program Chrome to hold the contents of HTTPS 
between sessions, which FF does not do.

Sure, you can change settings, but giving people a single "thing" 
that does it correctly works for me.

Pekr, your anti-web stance is...uh...a little out dated.  no?

Offline  mode - interesting. I studied it a bit, because we needed 
off-line client for CRM, but along with data. We found some FF framework, 
but it is not W3C standard (yet).

Qtask (for exmaple) supports ALL browser, since www.iQtask.com is 
simplly HTML. 

Qtask did some tricky things with JavaScript to control tables, which 
is why Safari and Chrome fail.  We should have this fixed by the 
end of this month.  It is a small set of fixes.
So we then will support all browsers.


But still I woudl build a custom version of Chrome to do some "extra" 
tricks.  We also plan to support Flash plug ins, for audio support, 
etc.  These are all extras.

I love your "killing REBOL schtick" .


REBOL is a language, the x-internet concept is one of the many cool 
things about it.  BUT, for now, I'm going to keep my marraige in 
place between REBOL + HTML + JAVASCRIPT.

If you enable virtual memory on a SSD, you can count the life of 
the SSD in months on one hand.

This cost me $350 in a Black Friday sale - any more and I wouldn't 
have been able to buy it at all. I really like the battery life though 
- I never have to turn it off, just suspend. This model has much 
better battery life than the larger alternatives. Plus, I find the 
limitations helpful for my job, particularly the testing phase.

I bought a 901 1Gb 20b linux yesterday

the ssd is a plugin card I believe

2 SSDs in the 901, one soldered in, one internal plugin. Plus a SD 
card slot.

the 901 has bluetooth and a 4 hour battery so that's a plus

it was a joke ...

The 901 has a 4.5 to 8 hour battery, no kidding.

I have a FAQ, it is a Wiki.  I'm turning much of it into a set of 
books...so joke or not, good idea.
We need a wiki for everything!

We must be really in strange situation, when Carl invites someone 
like me (which I call a mistake :-) to r3-gui, to actually get some 
real feedback!

Brian - I know what you do. What I mean by R3 core work is really 
a low level work - finish Unicode, finish modules, finish plug-ins, 
finish tasking, etc., so that projects like Cheyenne (which could 
turn in kind of killer app for REBOL) can proceed (move to R3).

Cyphre's work on REBOL is paid work, and they tend to accumulate 
a whole batch of fixes for him to do in one job.

You can't expect everything to be done at once. Right now we are 
focusing on what needs to be done for a developer release. The rest 
can be put off until after that release. It's triage.

Pekr, I know you keep pounding on this, but you a really wrong here... 
 Brian knows my stance on REBOL, and can attest to this.

Qtask is their primary work, no? I am not accusing Qtask of anything, 
just that it is a primary job, which keeps guys busy. It is not only 
about REBOL, but those guys vanished from public REBOL life almost 
altogether. Can't remember Cyphre's post here, or to ML, Gabriele 
is here sporadically too.

I talk to Gab almost every day....and to Richard several times a 
week....Gab is actually very "social", but only in small groups.

As Reichart can tell you, my standards for "social" might be a little 
much...

This has broadcast area on the left (comfortably fits 640x480), text 
chat on right - with name login (and private text/video/audio chat 
between any audience members), links include a file area, with file 
area, and a separate text/video/audio room for random group discussions. 
  According to today's activities, this should satisfy our needs.

Looked good on a quick try out. Goodnight!

My FMS server is hosted, so I need to prepare for the event by ensuring 
enough connections, bandwidth, and storage space reserved on the 
server.  I currently have a 40 connection limit, but it's no problem 
to raise that as high as needed - I just need to do it soon.  I'd 
appreciate some help getting a concensus of the number of people 
to expect.  Right now 4 people are signed up at http://rockfactory.us/events/devcon.html
 for December 27th, 3pm EST.  Is that when we've decided to hold 
the event?  We had an additional 10 people signed up for yesterday's 
prep meeting, and 16 people came to visit.  Signing up at http://rockfactory.us/events/devcon.html
 would help me get a better estimate.  I could set up a registration 
process and hand out unique user/pass combinations, but would prefer 
to leave it as open as possible for those interested to just join 
in...  If anyone has ideas about how to estimate a head count, I'd 
appreciate any suggestions.   Thanks!

Even though this is a virtual DevCon (DevVerCon), we should treat 
it like a full DevCon, with a page for people, like this http://www.colellachiara.com/devcon05/

REBOL DevVerCon 2008 
REBOL DevCon (virtual) 20008
REBOL Devcon 2008 (World wide virtual attendance)

Not to confuse anyone but Nick has set up a better signup procedure 
at http://rockfactory.us/events/devcon.html. Thanks to Geomol, Reichart 
and Btiffin for putting their names on the checklist. I think we're 
still waiting for a 3.0 Presenter.

Reichart, I'll be happy to put up a page about devcon 2008, and afterward 
host any recordings that get made.  My design skills are terrible, 
though, so if anyone wants to prepare a nice looking layout, it'll 
surely look better than anything I come up with...

If you're presenting, screenshots and any other files that you want 
to make available can be uploaded to the file area at http://rockfactory.us/rooms/room22/transfer.html
.  I also prepared a temporary ftp account  to help upload multiple 
files - same username and pass.  Please let me know if you have any 
questions!

Sorry if it was answered before,  but does the meeting will be available 
to unregistered user (publicly available) or registration is a requirement 
to see it ?

Is there a tool to demo an app so everyone can see it? (like remote 
desktop or "go to meeting"). 

I understand there will be video and audio and chat, screen grab 
and display. Anything I missed?

Guys, this is why I want to put up a webpage.

I think in the spirit of crowd sources, no one person should be expected 
to do more than one thing.


Nick, don't worry about the webpage, Gab, or someone will host.
Chris, or I, or someone will do the art and design.
etc.  


I plan to pound on this tomorrow in fact.   There are no egos here...who 
ever can help or do the best job, step up.

My request for whom ever hosts the page is that they "think" they 
can keep the page in place for a long time in the future.  My hope 
is to eventually get all these devcon pages over to one place for 
historical reasons.

OK...I knocked out a very quick mock up of a DevCon page that should 
work.  

The logic is, everything on the main page, but if you want the details, 
you can drill in one more level.


https://www.qtask.com/files.cgi/REBOLDevCon.png?actions=get&projectid=198&fileviewid=52216&filename=REBOLDevCon.png
(if you need a membership to Qtask, just post to me your email)

Pekr,  I did post here and the mailing list.  The whole idea of the 
virtual DevCon evolved quickly and informally, so I apologise if 
it's been confusing.   Since the idea was suggested very near the 
proposed DevCon date, I tried to help organize things a bit at http://rockfactory.us/events/devcon.html
, but my efforts have been personal and not necessarily agreed upon 
by any of the community.   We probably should have appointed an official 
group of organizers and created a web site first, but in the interest 
of trying to things done, I just moved ahead and posted my suggestions 
here and on the mailing list - I hope there've been no disagreements 
or concerns about any of that.   DideC,  as it  stands, my intention 
is to make 100-150 connections available to http://rockfactory.us/rooms/room22
.  At this point, it seams reasonable to leave it open - if anyone 
thinks we should expect more than 100 people, then I'll need to know 
soon.   I'd appreciate a head count of people in the French community 
who plan to attend.  Amacleod, the broadcast system at http://rockfactory.us/rooms/room22
seems to be the best available solution.  I'm leaving that room available 
until the event, so that presenters can become familiar with it. 
 To make it easier for others to use the system, please remember 
to close the broadcast page when you're done using it, and please 
try to conserve bandwidth to only what's necessary to become familiar 
and comfortable with the system.  Please let me know if you have 
any questions!

Reichart, I received an error page "I'm sorry, you seem to be attempting 
to access a file to which you do not have permission to access"

Nick, are you a member of Qtask?

And a Member of REBOL SIG?

Amacleod, as it stands, I've taken the screen grab app out of the 
presentation setup.  It was a Windows only solution that seemed to 
add potential complexity.  It appears that the best solution is to 
prepare screen shots beforehand, and upload the images to the file 
area.  Of course, screen shots could also be uploaded to that same 
area in real time...   If any presenter needs help with that part 
of the presentation, or if that solution will not work for anyone, 
please let me know.   I also have a whiteboard app installed at  
http://rockfactory.us/rooms/other/livepresenter/LivePresenter-admin.htm
  http://rockfactory.us/rooms/other/livepresenter/LivePresenter-viewer.htm
 .  I haven't used that application much more than just to try that 
it's installed properly, but I'm happy to add it to the setup if 
anyone wants to use it for the presentation.

It is like asking if you are a member of 0. AltME - 1. REBOL3 - 2. 
GroupName (where 0. Browser 1. Qtask 2. REBOL-SIG)

Post a private message to me with your Email, then you have access 
to all sorts of other features too.

Thanks, Chris is more talented than me, he ight take a swipe at it. 
 I think this one is a little too "blocky" and a bit childlike. But 
it might be a good start, and it is designed to be SUPER simple to 
build as a site, with nothing but flat HTML files.  In fact, I could 
build this out of just several Wikis.

Yes, very conference-like and it screams (in a nice way) fun fun 
fun, come play with us! Qtask is getting better and better it appears.

Reichart, I'm getting the same "iI'm sorry, you seem to be attempting 
to access a file to which you do not have permission to access"
I have an account already...

I am at my parent's (or stated different: travelling back from my 
parents') on dec 27th because they are taking all their grandchildren 
 to a play. So I might be there only partiall, or not at all. I will 
do my best to make it though. Maybe I can lure the wife in picking 
up the kids but she is in all kinds of end-of-years trading markets 
selling this time of year.

Now is the time for presenters to please let me know of plans to 
present.  I'm reserving a special amount of bandwidth for the event, 
so want to get as close an estimate as possible.  Even a few hours 
of constantly streaming video, to many viewers, ends up being hundreds 
of gigs, so I'm hoping to estimate the presentation times as closely 
as possible.  Thanks!

I feel bad as there was a list setup asking when it should be.  However 
the only real date provided was the 27th.

... with an option for anyone to suggest another date.  I didn't, 
and things just started falling into place.  There will always be 
someone who isn't going to like the date and will have to miss.  
The only reason I bring it up now is that it's pretty obvious that 
this is not an IDEAL time for a larger number than any non-holiday 
weekend.

You guys may have missed it, there is already a way to vote.  Which 
is in the checklist here.  Post the best day and worse day(s).

I think moving it out a little might be a good idea for a few reasons, 
not the least is that "2009" on the page will make it "current" for 
12 months!

If we try to make this a bi-yearly event, atleast one virtual and 
another live event (or both virtual), it might make it better suited 
for people to prepare for and show some of their recent work, finished 
or not.  The talks don't have to be major pieces or an hour plus 
in length, but could simply demonstrate a concept of interest to 
a group of newbies or some of the advanced rebolers, 15 - 30 minutes. 
  I'd really like to see some simple demos of Max's work and Oldes 
Flash dialectt o see these tools "make a difference", not to mention 
countless others.

The checklist was put up, with a request for people to add their 
preferred dates.

Not many of us did, and 27-dec was the favorite from a very short 
list.

I think now it'd be Nick's decision if he wanted to throw the date 
back into the open.

Any of us could of course start the hunt for an eDevCon date in 2009.

I really like the idea of the virtual DevCon.  It would be neat if 
we could then build ourselves a site similar to this Microsoft's 
LEARN site.    http://www.asp.net/learn/default.aspx?wwwaspnetrdirset=1

I think we will have a small turn out (less than 20) right now.........but 
this could be a GOOD thing, in that if we do this, then we will learn! 
 
And then doing it AGAIN is easier.

Then a conference once every 3 or 6 months.

fixed times a year, so people can get used to the schedule.

I'm completely open to whatever the community decides to do :)   
It's probably not such a bad thing to keep this first presentation 
smallish, and to consider it a learning experience.   One thing that's 
clear so far is that it'd be good to decide on one or several people 
to manage operations officially, and to create a web site to organize 
future events.  For the time being, this event does appear to be 
shaping up well, for the short matter of days we've spent contemplating 
it :)  There are 19 live attendees signed up at http://rockfactory.us/events/devcon.html
.  We appear to have a viable way to make the presentation, and I'm 
looking forward to seeing anyone who has the time and motivation 
to speak about REBOL related topics :)

Agreed...


I'm open to.  My goal is to get some of the Qtask team to be present 
for a simple and real time Question and Answer session.

As you saw from the number Sunanda's source code counter showed, 
Qtask is a GIANT REBOL program.  


It may not be the best or the smartest code in the world, but we 
have learned a lot, and would like to share some of it.

Sunanda, this is still a web-public group. Every time you post a 
username and password here it may need to be changed.

Good point......I think Nick is aware of that in this case....He's 
publicised those details here and on the Mailing List.

I am sure a securer sign-up will be needed once the room is in active 
use.

We really need a place we can send everyone.  I'm going to vote a 
public Wiki, but if no one steps forward with that...then I will 
simply take the art I made, make a Wik on Qtask out of that, and 
sydicate it (make it public).

Anyone in the REBOL DevCon project in Qtask can edit it...

Thanks Sunanda, looks good and functional.  I would be very interested 
in attending the devcon as a viewer, at what time will this be going 
on? I looked at past chat but didn't notice it.

Hi Janko and RobertS :)  I added your names to the list of attendees. 
  The event will take place at 3pm EST December 27th, at http://rockfactory.us/rooms/room22
 .  As stated, user/pass is devcon/devcon  (those pages will all 
be deleted after the event, and I'll be monitoring to kick/ban unwanted 
visitors from any of the chat/audio/video communications as needed, 
so that first line of security is not a big concern - it's primarily 
just to deter random lookee-loos :)

I do need a final list, by Wednesday, of all presenters, along with 
an estimate of  the amount of time required for each presentation. 
 If any presenter has a particular requirement for when in the order 
their presentation needs to take place, please let me know.  This 
must to be finalized now so that I can reserve necessary bandwitdh 
for the event.  Thanks!

Nick, tomorrow I will help push a final call for everyone.  I guess 
right now this will be on the small side.

I've put an announcement on REBOL.org, but the link is not to the 
geatest place in the world for follow up....Have we got a better 
page to point it to?
http://www.rebol.org/

OK, I can chop up my art, and turn it into a syndicated Wiki, which 
we can then update quickly.  But I need content:


https://www.qtask.com/files.cgi/REBOLDevCon.png?tab=get&uuid=SUEG8343C26V82PWP5BLFKSMU4QT&filename=REBOLDevCon.png

t would be good to have:


- 3 items of news (Perhaps an update on R3, something about products 
that are being worked on, and something else)?

- A list of speakers (is it really just Chris and me, and perhaps 
a couple of the Qtask team?)
- List of when they want to talk
- Exact sign up instructions

I can put this all together easily enough.

Thanks Reichart :)  Unless I hear differently, I'll reserve enough 
bandwitdh for 50 attendees to attend a 4 hour event, and enough storage 
space to record the whole thing.  That should give us plenty of wiggle 
room.

I've set up a wiki at http://rebolconf.info-- I'll leave it open 
for editing until the morning, after which only approved users may 
contribute.  The design is not as intricate as I'd prefer -- it is 
what it is for now.  Contributions use a slimmed-down make-doc format. 
 Let me know of any problems...

http://www.dxing.com/utcgmt.htm- UTC = GMT .... there is a clock, 
which will show current time counter in relation to your timezone 
...