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now you can play  all is perfect in a fabulous world were we are 
all friend but your attitude toward me shows it isn't?

110 + alpha version shows that noone including Carl knows where is 
going R3 or in what stage of it Carl will decide that's now it's 
a releasable product. We don't know after that if carl has more idea 
of evolutions regarding rebol, if the past suspendend stuff will 
be back in work and at which périodicity they will be release.  It's 
said that once R3 will be released and "stable"  then all those in 
suspension side rebol project will be updated and adapted to R3. 
But we don't know nothing else more and meanwhile rebol/service, 
rebol port , rebol/plugin, didn't changed since at least 2006

if you considere that the information buried here  is anough as way 
to share information I'm sorry to informe you it's not. that's all 
look if you are not able to do the documentation for your project 
I would prefere you to spend 1 hours with me explaining me your project 
how to contribute it's goal etc and out of this hour i publish a 
documentation french /english. See that's the level Zero of comunautary 
organisation but we don't even reach that. Each of you think has 
the time to do everything and in the end it's not.

Shadwolf, you have a problem understanding. Pekr suggested you were 
off-topic and suggested the Advocacy group. But, I suggested, that 
for your rants, the group was inappropriate as well. My observation 
still holds.

ladislav problem is even going in the right group if any  existed 
then you won't talk to me neither :) basically you don't feel concerned 
by what I say all you want is the job done what ever means are used 
to achieve that basically I used to think that way too ...  But time 
passed things degradated and now r3 alpha is stuck and side projects 
like script library and View/Desktop are stuck too since they are 
related and on suspend until R3 is released ... So to me it isn't 
a miss placed  converstation since R3 futur is related to scriptlibrary 
futur ... We could is that down time to try to reflect on making 
this better but that's not a discussion you want to have anyway... 
 That's why the whole rebol world in 2011 is pretty much the same 
as it was in 2005..

I just submitted to rebol.org a 4 line script  and it took me 1 hour 
is it normal to spend 1 hours on the header formating  for just a 
copy past ?   Can't we in 2011 get ride of it and have a form that 
you fill and generate the header for your script ? This is the numberone 
pain in the ass thing that makes me vomit each time i use rebol.org 
....

I just submitted to rebol.org a 4 line script  and it took me 1 hour 
is it normal to spend 1 hours on the header formating  for just a 
copy past ?   Can't we in 2011 get ride of it and have a form that 
you fill and generate the header for your script ? This is the numberone 
pain in the ass thing that makes me vomit each time i use rebol.org 
....

so MAKE ME A FANCE BLINKING  WIDE  BUTTON ON THE MIDDLE OF MY PAGE 
AND BE SHORT NAME IT "UPLOAD A SCRIPT" !!! Focus on those 2 points 
and i will use rebol.org waaaaaaaaaaay much more. If you want to 
go crazy fancy and make it super cool you can add a picture + text 
describtion  for the GUI based script... Those are the details that 
separate a boring website noone use and a super website use widely 
!!

definatly there is too much text to read on rebol.org ... we are 
in 21th  century it's graphical and fancy eye candy era in case you 
didn't notice .. Less text Less Snobe description More images icons 
colors etc... and it's not only a CSS problem here is just I have 
to read alot and script alot scince all that could be resumed in 
1 nice looking icone bar ... pff ..

that's the problem when you pile up things one on top of another 
without never get a second thought of ok what do i want people to 
absolutle see when they log in ?

shadwolf you are looking really frustrated, I have got only two advices 
for you

1. visit a good psychologist who would help you with your daemons 
for a lot of money (the more money, the better help.) or

2. try to forget that rebol even exists and stop to do anything about 
it.

Oh and for your information don't tell me that this all text wonder 
site is done for small device !! I have small device  like a smartphone 
and this is stupidly unreadable on it !!!

pavel you want me to stop bitching rebol.org then do the changes 
!! even the worst blog of incompetent people looks better than rebol.org. 
you want to be taken serriously you want rebol to be considere as 
a profesional level than do things like in 2011 and not like in 1992 
thank you ...

when i enter on rebol.org it's like i enter in a cementary or a museum 
!! it's not a place that's engaging people to get there often !

pavel by the way my dear pavel friend this altme world is full of 
people that have completly forgot about rebol and don't give a damn 
anymore about it and it's more because of people like you than people 
like me :)

So does the rest of the world. Which means 10 billion people!  Pavel 
don't you find sad that the last year less than a hundred scripts 
have been submited to rebol.org ? don't you find sad the gurus main 
project around R3 are located on github and not anymore on rebol.org. 
Why they are using github and not rebol.org ? because rebol.org don't 
fit their needs that's the less we can say no ? Don't blame me because 
I notice things and instead of being the hypocrit way i choose the 
frantic way I notice too my dear pavel friend that you attack my 
mental stability but you don't  propose anything to reply to the 
points I notice and which are valid and widely noticeable.

So here are some stats to help you understand what we are talking 
about. Rebol.com exist since 7 years. there is 183 registred people 
apart Carl with 145 script and notchent with 105 script submited 
 the average script submition is 4 scripts per member registred. 
 Rebol.org was supposed to be the heart and the brain of rebol community 
7 years later we can notice that 10% of this is Carl Sassenrath and 
that in the last year less than a hundred scripts are uploaded.

So from those constatation and based on my personal experience  can't 
I try to explain why this is a faillure ?

Don't you see that all the terrific information and all the effort 
to link things up is broken because of the  sad and sorry way to 
show things ? If Carl really want this boring website which won't 
surprise me since he can't  understand we changed century and that 
eye candy is the first thing then verywell do a side set of page 
with Eye candy modern rebol.org and put a borring  text button on 
your main page. Something like "If your are not an elite snobe click 
here this version of our website is for you"

rebol.org is run mostly by ONE VOLUNTEER.  free, with hundreds of 
scripts, with thousands of features to support.  Adding a script 
to rebol.org doesn't *require* the full library header anymore.

I wonder how many hundred hours went into that huge site.   


I'm sorry if it took you one hour to write down 5 lines of text, 
but It doesn't take me that long.  I agree its not optimal, but the 
help page is simple and conscice.

like just about everything going on with the REBOL language and its 
community... right now...


 if you want to participate and actually DO something, (I mean doing 
 something else than bitch and moan), people will be happy for your 
 help, even Sunanda at rebol.org.


I used to be part of rebol.org team and it took me a single mail 
from me to get included in the team.  it might take a bit more from 
you now that you've just insulted its main (sole?) author pretty 
harshly.

maxim that's too easy to say that sunanda runs the things alone and 
that's the reason why rebol.org sucks ... when did sunanda call for 
help never ... when did he try to motivate people hating his website 
like me to participate. Last things my remarks about rebol.org are 
common sense. And they were made vastly in 2005 when it opens and 
when people style gived a damn. 6 years later rebol means nothing 
NOTHING it's lower than scrub and the recursive lack of work her 
killed rebol and any  initiative around it. Not only each time something 
cool is done in this community  Carl comes with a great announcement 
to ruin the effort but the  promise he makes never come to a reality.

If you can get the people that hates you to wrok with you to improve 
things then you are setting up a positive motion and that's what 
you all need here

you need direction. This means setting up priorities in things that 
need to change now. rebol.org since it's the central point of our 
very very veeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeery small 
community (we are less than 50 active people guys wake up ) then 
renoving it and upgrading it constantly is part of the main priorities; 
like supporting a console and R3/GUI and a new r3/web plugin and 
a new R3/desktop because desktop is related to rebol.org it makes 
 sense to serriously work on it.

Thanks for the problem report...... There is nothing showing on the 
Library error logs.....Have you got a failing URL?

Okay....that's a problem.....the downloader does not pace itself, 
so it triggers flood protection.


Best current work-around is to download the whole set as one file 
-- probably faster too:
   http://www.rebol.org/download-librarian.r

Let me take you off the flood trigger list first.....

You should be good now......but using the updater to download 169+ 
scripts wlll trigger the problem again.

(Another quick fix is to edit the script to put a wait 10 between 
each read of the library)

I have uploaded a new version of simple-test.r to the Script Library. 
The main changes were the addtion of some new assertions and a re-structuring 
of the code to provide an API for the function which evaluates test 
cases.


The assertions added are : equal with tolerance, not equal, not error, 
same, and not same.

My Logitech optical mouse pointer is getting harder and harder to 
control. It will be working smoothly and then for no obvious reason 
will stick to a certain spot for a moment and then jump ahead. Also, 
sometimes it will not work after starting the computer. Does anyone 
know what might be wrong?

Sunanda, I tried cleaning just now, but the problem remains.


Vincent, it is a usb mouse.  That may be the problem, as I have a 
WIFI USB modem running also.

Mine did that too. My newer (wireless) MS mouse will sometimes go 
to sleep and need a shake to wake up, but no jitter like the Logitech 
did.

I've had a number of Logitech mice do that to me.  Seems M$ doesn't 
like Logitech's drivers sometimes.  I removed the Logitech drivers 
and just used the generic wheel mouse drivers and that problem went 
away.

One of the mice was plugged into a KVM Switch and would randomly 
decide to freak out on me like that when I would change ports on 
the switch.  It even freaked out under Linux but that's no problem, 
you grab a console and type 'kudzu' and the problem went away...

Louis, I have the same problem with a USB MS laser mouse. It quivers, 
goes for a run, and sometimes jumps all over the screen, usually 
after I wake it up.

No, one who drinks enough always has a jittery hand in the morning. 
;~>

All Optical mouses can jump sometimes. It's due to the surface where 
you move it : reflexion or refraction cause parasite in the optical 
sensor. Using a non reflective surface is usually better.

Anyone tried an optical mouse on a mirror?

I've got a glass top computer desk ... and I have to be sure I put 
the optical mouse on the non glass surfaces if I want it to move

Graham  some years ago the first optical mouse I saw was gived as 
serial for sun mircosystem workstation. Sun was providing with tose 
optical mouse a mouse carpet (don't know if the term is the right 
one) with a metal cover but this metal cover was not uniform it was 
more like a grid. This show that the optical sensor to detect movement 
need to have unperfect reflection (on other optical technology like 
micrisift one engeneers have thinked that the surface must be omogenus 
so they make flash the lazer diode. In sun technology the lazer diode 
of the optical mouse was continous and that's why you will need a 
special surface to make it working ).

graham: I actually have one of those for my old Amiga. The mat was 
not in good shape when I got it so I scanned the pattern and printed 
it again on a sheet of paper. unfortunately the pattern was a bit 
too high resolution for the old 300 dpi laser printer, so the mouse 
got slow, but it was still quite reliable.

Yeah, Dale Luck sold a balless mouse.

I recently bought a bunch of wireless optical mice from Microsoft. 
 They make better hardware than software (or better said, they buy 
better hardware to resell than software).

I like it a lot, it is the travel moouse.  Actaully very well designed.

It's true, untill you install the software than come with the mouse. 
Intllipoint is a huge soft for so few functionnality and can causes 
some crash.

they are eating into Logitech's share.

having said that, I came across a 'joystick' mouse from 3M.. that 
claims to be less stressful. Have anyone tried that?

I am contemplating the horrors of setting up a dual-boot system (XP 
and I thought I'd try 'Breezy Badger') on a new (almost -- I've been 
procrastinating for months) hard drive.  Any advice?

On the face of it, it looks as if I need a primary partition for 
each OS and an extended partition for my data (which I'll break into 
two or three NTFS logical drives).  But what to do first?  Should 
I set up these partitions, then run the installs, or run each install 
hoping they do it for me?

Chris:maybe get a trial version of VMware and then try different 
distros till you find 1 you like and then set up an ext3 or the newer 
reiser  fs(spelling ? )

Actually, I'm surprised at the success I had.  Probably should log 
it somewhere.  I switched my drives' master/slave positions.  Ran 
XP setup first into a preset NTFS partition.  Then ran the Ubuntu 
setup, slicing up the remainder of the disk.  The most useful side 
effect is that GRUB lets me boot not only to XP and Ubuntu, but also 
my existing XP setup on the now slave drive (meaning no rush to get 
my new XP setup finetuned -- never a trivial task).

Chris:that is why I use Mandriva for a Linux distro,never had any 
problems installing View or Altme

Does a cell phone have enough memory to run View?

For the smartphones, likely yes, but it doesn't matter yet as there 
is no build of View for a cell phone.

My wife wants a computer so small she can put it in her purse and 
not even know it is there. But it has to be able to do all the work 
of a desktop with a 21 inch monitor.  You can see that her's is a 
real reasonable request.

Try a UMCP, or, Origami device.

PDAs can do as much work as a desktop (of similar speed) with a 21in 
monitor, but limitations in the input and output methods can make 
it so difficult to use that it will be less effective. Try an OQO, 
Microsoft's Origami platform, or maybe RT can make a build for the 
Nokia 770.

Is it possible to transfer the entire contents of the harddrive on 
a desktop computer to the harddrive on a laptop? I mean including 
the registry settings etc. I have Norton Ghost; would that do it? 
or are there hardware issues that would prevent it?

Thanks Reichart and DideC. I'm shopping for a laptop now. Once I 
buy it, I'll probably be back for more help.

You should, we can talk to you about how to configure your drive 
in the first place.  I have some simple tricks I do for my laptops 
(I only use laptops, and live on them). 

Quick list:

Put everything in PGP folders.

Install XP to a small partition, and have a ghosted version on the 
same drive (seperate partition).

Basic layout is C: = Boot and XP, D: = Data (your personal Data, 
E: = Extra applications, Z: = Archive og Ghost of C:.
Keep the custom Ghost CD for your laptop with you.


With this, if somoene steals your computer they don't get your data.
If C gets corrupted, you can recover.
And, it is REALLY easy to back up just your data fast.

The the laptop I have been eyeing:


http://www.xtremenotebooks.com/index.php?section=specs&model_id=1054


But it is too expensive for me. Does anyone know of a similar one 
at a cheaper price?  Or perhaps someone knows that  this would not 
be a good choice anyway. I'm open for suggestions. I just need a 
big, high resolution screen, large harddrive, and lots of speed. 
I'm not particularly worried about weight.

I also own an Apple Powerbook (still learning it).  And I have a 
great Toshiba.  I alos REALLY love both Toshiba and Fujitsu's tech 
support, and is worth giving up some cool feature from another copany 
in exchange for the support.

my kind of machine, I have a small ibm thinkpad, and wouldn't trade 
it for a bigger more powefull one... only thing I regret, is not 
having internal CD support... although I don't really need it... 
you can't do everything with a memory stick!

Yeah this little guy has a cool removable CD drive, 7-9 hours of 
batery life. kicks ass.

Louis, I don't think you are taking the issue of drivers seriously 
enough. Most laptops come with a lot of extra drivers and utilities 
to make the power management, keyboard, wireless and other custom 
hardware work. Many manufacturers only make these drivers and utilities 
available from a system restore disk, and their hardware doesn't 
work properly unless you install their custom version of Windows.


Avoid manufacturers like Sony if you want to reinstall Windows, or 
it won't work.

When I but a laptop (or any computer) the first thing I do is image 
the original drive, before I even boot up the computer for the first 
time. That way I can undo any mistakes I make, and even restore the 
computer to pristine condition and return it if that is necessary.

I usually image the drive by booting a live CD that has imaging sotware 
with networking support.

I should mention, I hate Norton Ghost, but I had spent the time to 
learn it, and it supported all the diff CD drives.  The next time 
I change laptops, I will check out something else. Since Graham mentions 
Acronis, I would probably try that.


What I don''t like about Norton is the crappy 1984 DOS interface. 
 It is confusing, and has menus where a simple single page would 
work better.

You could download a 30 day trial of Acronis True Image Server.

I strongly suggest getting a Toshiba over other makers.  I will never 
buy DELL every again.  They wasted too much of my time, and time 
is one thing I can't afford.  Toshiba tries to help with anything 
they can.  Thier tech support often speak several languages, are 
very pateint, and well informed.

I was one of many people that told him that the specific model of 
Toshiba I had was the best laptop on the market. I bought it two 
years ago, it has 1600x1200, 2 GIGs, 2 Ghz, 80gig HD, 2Kx1K extrernal 
video, and the best sound system on the market.  So good in fact 
it works as a whole room audio system!  The Qosmio has the same system, 
althogh the packaging is a little diff, and I have not heard it personally.

Do rebol programmers get a 50% discount on Toshiba computers?

Are there any advantages of one over the other?  I have only used 
PGP.  What I like is:


I can create a file (x.pgp) of any size, then mount it as a drive. 
 This allows me to do things like make a file that is the size of 
a DVD disk, and if I need to burn it I just copy the folder to the 
DVD drive.  Although, since Qtask exists, I stopped burning CDs and 
DVDs, since my data is safer on Qtask.

In fact, since this topic is Hardware, I should mention that I have 
heavily cut down my need of harddrives.  Part of why I used to have 
lots of mediums was that I needed back ups.  But every drive on Qtask 
is a) Raid 5, b) Mirrored, and then c) soon will be mirrrored again 
and again as more servers come on line world wide.  So the safest 
place to shove my data is onto the web.

I have an HP I got a while back (had to, for a gig; I hate laptops); 
it's worked fine, but I don't mess with things on it much, so it 
should. :-)

Only thing is that it's really heavy. Knowing what I know now, I'd 
probably try to go the way Reichart has--as small as possible--and 
just plug into a keyboard and monitor where I go.

Pekr, that is not true ($1000 diff).  You must be comparing Toshiba's 
list price from the site to HP's street price.  It more like a hundred 
bucks.


But...I agree the HP specs are much better.    Finding the right 
laptop is a lot of work.

It is the first notebook to support HD DVD. That is why it is so 
expensive. "Toshiba has been a leader in DVD technology since 1996 
when we introduced the world’s first DVD players. Now we’ve revolutionized 
the mobile world by creating the first notebook with an HD DVD ROM 
drive. As a leader in mobility and a member of the DVD Forum, we’re 
always striving to make the next leap in digital entertainment."

That's a nice looking laptop.

Where is a link?

That is a fast hard drive.

Console for my desktop is 588 however, and it is not a very fast 
desktop.

Must be a Seagate Snail.

Even a slow computer can edit video just fine.  It depends on what 
medium you work on.  For example, if work in Raw, everything is really 
fast.  When you finally move to a format (AVI, .MOV, .MPG, etc.) 
that is when stuff takes a LONG time.  You need lots of video space.

I don't know, it was housed inside a special case for underwater 
use, so I did not catch the model.

It is a NICE lens....

It has a special coating so that water repels.  We would dunk it 
in and out of the water, not a single drop in frame.

I'm looking at this:


http://www.bhphotovideo.com/bnh/controller/home?O=productlist&A=details&Q=&sku=385368&is=REG&addedTroughType=categoryNavigation

unfortunatly, probabaly not rebol related.

I want to try to use two (usb) optical mice as DIY motion encoders.
my first questions are: 

When you have three mice plugged in, how to get the os to ignore 
two of them?

How to get data from the two you have gotten the os to ignore into 
a program?

Anyone know of a reasonable (and cheap) USB KVM switch, just for 
Keyboard and Mouse?

Or, is Synergy a reliable substitute?

Any slowdown on either, say when using a gfx package?

chris, I had issues with repeat key events in some apps... from win 
to linux... in maya, it just goes wild when you use the space bar 
to open the menues.... and starts switching the panes instead like 
a mad man (usually, if you just tap the space key it switches the 
current view to full view)

(and in maya, holding the space will reveal a contextual menu)

If Vista has the capability to use flash drives for faster virtual 
memory, will new systems come with an internal/built in flash drive 
so one doesn't need a tick-like creature hanging out the back of 
one's PC to improve performance?

I've got a little 2gb sd card that I have slotted into my laptop. 
 When I access it, the whole system slows down.

btw, a friend told me that most flash memory has a finite amount 
of erase cycles, which is not very high... this is not an issue for 
using photos, as we usually erase them seldomly, but for things like 
using them for RAM... it could burn them out.  I don't know if usb 
sticks and sd like cards use the same sillicon inside though.

I've been thinking about getting a CF card to IDE adaptor and buy 
a 2 or 4 GB CF card, put it in my laptop and find a small Linux distro 
that doesn't use swap.

Does anybody know how I can find out if a network card is removable 
(like PCMCIA, USB (does this exist?))?

flash memory has a finite amount of erase cycles

 ... from memory [no pun intended] it used to be about 200,000 cycles, 
 raised to 2,000,000 or so cycles in current generation flash technology. 
 Note that flash drives try to distribute writes evenly across the 
 media and mark areas as unreadable once they approach/exceed certain 
 thresholds. Nothing wrong with using flash as a swap device as long 
 as it's doing several swaps an hour not several a second! ;)

2007 has been tough on my hardware -- first my iBook hard disk croaks, 
now my PC (following a brief power outage) decides it no longer wants 
to switch on.  It lights up for a second, then powers down again. 
 I don't know where to start (power brick, motherboard?)...

I've seen the symptoms you describe quite a few times.  All solved 
by replacing the power supply.