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It would be great for us to have a little "rent-a-reboler" site, 
at which anyone wanting REBOL features like this (or even scripts 
- any sort of development work), could post a job and developers 
could reply with bids.  That could give RT motivation to add features 
that only certain users are interested in initially, and I bet we'd 
see lots of features get added to REBOL3 as extensions.  I'd love 
to support REBOL by paying for little features that I need/want. 
 Animated GIFs are not a priority for me, but I can think of at least 
10 low level functions that I'd buy.

Make a list and let us know. And attach a number that we have a baseline 
to discuss about.

A bit OT here but: IMO what's required is a cooridnated approach 
for this. If everyone is doing a bit here and there, movement is 
to slow and spend efforts won't have the highst possible impact.

... conversely if the pieces are small enough, and can be done by 
one coder in a relatively short amount of time, many small pieces 
would get completed.  You know the saying, "pennies make dollars".

Yes, but it should be visible in one place that it's happening and 
things move. The results can be put into Rebol.org

bounties have to be worth the time.  if I work  at X$ an hour and 
a bounty offers 1-2 hours worth of work for something that may take 
a day... its not worth it

I'd also like to see the download link so I can copy and paste into 
the rebol console

So I have to right click on the download link and copy link location

I'd rather just you fix the direct link so that it's usable by Rebol 
... or, put the download on the page so I can double click and control 
C

We did try to make the direct link usable by REBOl......But that 
is not easy as we have to escape chats like & and <

well, just detect what client it is and send the right thing

Nice idea, Graham..... But the REBOL script might be a spider/inder 
like RIX; and so expects a HTML page.
We can't second guess cases like that.

(and I don't run with javascript most of the time).

And I just retested the 3dmoney.r page, now money.r is first in the 
suggestions list.
Nice one.

Thanks for retesting.

We use a couple of the algos, and then weight the results.


In addition, we do some other stuff -- like give additional weight 
if the first char matches; or if the lengths are similar.


And we gave some extra weight if the search string was fully contained 
within the script name (eg some bonus when matching "Apple.r" against 
"an-apple-script.r" (ignoring the .r of course).

What was missing was some extra weight if the script name was fully 
contained in the seach string (Money.r is fully wthin 3dmoney.r)....Adding 
that test raised its relevance.

Sometimes users ask for things that are not practical for other users, 
and thus us poor developers have to make choices that can leave some 
unhappy :)
Suppose I wanted this code to execute the first code block....

  do http://synapse-ehr.com/forums/showthread.php?120-RebGUI-table

....That's a reasonable request for me. But is it for all users, 
such as Rixbot?

It would just convert a "view-script.r" link into a "download-a-script.r" 
link, so that users take, for example, the money.r link and type 
this into their console:


 do get-rebol.org-script http://www.rebol.org/view-script.r?script=money.r

Simpler for _you_ if we change the source; but perhaps not simpler 
for _others_ who expect it as it is.

Another even easier solution (easier for me, anyway:)


....In theory, REBOL does hunt through verbiage looking for "REBOL 
[" and starts executing from there.


So If the R2/R3 interpretor also de-escaped strings like < then 
the view-script would be executable.
Why not curecode/RAMBO that as a request!?

You want an argument??  Let's step outside and discuss this!

Ah, and there's a single leading LF as well, right before the script 
library-inserted header.

We've had all sorts of fun trying to get the line endings to work 
for everyone.


There's a magic, undocumented URL parameter you can add to the URL 
that might make a difference on your platform.

It is MODE=????


I'll just cut'n'paste the comment from the download-a-script source... 
it may help explain it:

;; mode=windows -- the default. Makes LF or CR into CRLF
;; mode=binary  -- sends file as binary
;; mode=carl    -- saved and reloads file first as Carl thought
;;                 this would fix the problem
;; mode=text    -- the old default. Works in most cases. Just
;;                 prints the file (so sends whatever line
;;                 terminations work on the platform the library
;;                 is running on.

Yeah, and you are achieving that.

But somewhere on the way something inserts a single LF as the very 
first and very last character.

You see the `0a` at very start and end?

Inside
 those LFs, everything is nicely and consistently CRLF'd.

Certainly a bug .... and a bit of a mystery. not obvious where they 
come from (not yet, anyway)
The dev server does it right, live does it wrong.

Hmm, if by "the dev server does it right" you mean the dev server 
has CRLF instead of LF at the start and end, I can tell you what's 
going on.

And the download-script script generates the output by using PRINT. 
Which leads to a terminating LF on Linux and a CRLF on Windows.

Switch the output generation to use PRIN instead (and add a `prin 
crlf` at the start/end if you really want the extra whitespace), 
and it should be fine.

Possible.....But if you add &mode=binary, then do not do a PRINT.
We do this instead
   set-modes system/ports/output [binary: true]
    insert system/ports/output script-source
And that also looks wrong on live.

Most likely you have a PRINT before and after that.

Thanks for the advice and debugging.
I'll look at it more seriously tomorrow.

Meanwhile, does this experimental option make it bettter or worse:

    http://www.rebol.org/download-a-script.r?script-name=base-convert.r&mode=andreas

:)
And that hasn't changed at all.

But yes, mode=andreas looks good. No leading and trailing whitespace!

Thanks Oldes, Peter and Petr for the Rebbies nomination. If I win, 
I will of course use my year to work with children and animals for 
world peace. However, it would be better to honour someone who has 
been more active in 2010; my REBOL work has been a bit sparse this 
year. So good luck to all the nominees!


Anyway, enough of self-promotion. Oldes nomination citation notes 
that he does not like the look of REBOL.org. That's a widely shared 
sentiment, and I have much sympathy for the view.


However, REBOL.org is to some extent skinnable – look here, if you 
are logged on, for user-contributed alternative CSS schemes:
    http://www.rebol.org/css-available.r


The current look'n'feel came about by a competition for a better 
look (won by Roland Hadinger) a few years ago. And it is MUCH better 
than what we had before!


If anyone wants to craft an alternative look'n'feel, please feel 
free.


Of course, just changing the CSS is not everything: contents of menus, 
access paths, etc may need tweaking to work well with a new look. 
I am happy to play along with any suggestions that may help anyone 
who is devising a site make-over.

The goal is for them to be there and useful to those who need them. 
And polite.

usefull without the R3 support and without having desktop soft in 
R3  humm can I doubt about that ?

rebol.org liked to rebol/view 2 desktop is something we will never 
see in R3 anytime soon so who cares R2 is deprecated and R3 will 
never be as great and inovative as R3 used to be... My main claim 
about R2 is that the technologies proposed in it were great but unfinished 
... and simply in R3 those are not even talked about anymore (reb/service 
reb/plugin reb/console reb/desktop) I know if not happy I better 
shut my mouth but I wouldn't so what ?

If someone finds it useful and worth working the bugs out of, cool. 
It doesn't have to be useful to everyone.

BrianH ok I know R3 was made to make the world a better place blah 
blah etc... AMen,  but thing is since t least those past 5 years 
not a world on the futur possible for those technologies and now 
it's even worst you are all tuned with the same borring song "If 
you are not happy do it yourself yoh!!!"

it's gone at a point that french community some month ago was represented 
by me, didec, maxim, steeve and Dockimble  and Greg that's all

Shadwolf: <fine 1024 script burried one on top of another :) nice 
!!!>

They are all tagged in various ways to help catalog and find relevant 
scripts, eg:
   http://www.rebol.org/st-topic-details.r?tag=type//game

The tagging could do with an overhaui, so if you want to contribute 
to the quality of the Library without contributing scripts, then 
being a retagger is one way to achieve that.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Criticism#Negative_and_constructive_criticism

Cyphre asking for more clarity in R3 and R3/GUI after 2 reboot of 
R3/GUI project and 5 years of Alpha isn't an insult you know ...

110 + alpha version shows that noone including Carl knows where is 
going R3 or in what stage of it Carl will decide that's now it's 
a releasable product. We don't know after that if carl has more idea 
of evolutions regarding rebol, if the past suspendend stuff will 
be back in work and at which périodicity they will be release.  It's 
said that once R3 will be released and "stable"  then all those in 
suspension side rebol project will be updated and adapted to R3. 
But we don't know nothing else more and meanwhile rebol/service, 
rebol port , rebol/plugin, didn't changed since at least 2006

if you considere that the information buried here  is anough as way 
to share information I'm sorry to informe you it's not. that's all 
look if you are not able to do the documentation for your project 
I would prefere you to spend 1 hours with me explaining me your project 
how to contribute it's goal etc and out of this hour i publish a 
documentation french /english. See that's the level Zero of comunautary 
organisation but we don't even reach that. Each of you think has 
the time to do everything and in the end it's not.

Shadwolf, you have a problem understanding. Pekr suggested you were 
off-topic and suggested the Advocacy group. But, I suggested, that 
for your rants, the group was inappropriate as well. My observation 
still holds.

ladislav problem is even going in the right group if any  existed 
then you won't talk to me neither :) basically you don't feel concerned 
by what I say all you want is the job done what ever means are used 
to achieve that basically I used to think that way too ...  But time 
passed things degradated and now r3 alpha is stuck and side projects 
like script library and View/Desktop are stuck too since they are 
related and on suspend until R3 is released ... So to me it isn't 
a miss placed  converstation since R3 futur is related to scriptlibrary 
futur ... We could is that down time to try to reflect on making 
this better but that's not a discussion you want to have anyway... 
 That's why the whole rebol world in 2011 is pretty much the same 
as it was in 2005..

I just submitted to rebol.org a 4 line script  and it took me 1 hour 
is it normal to spend 1 hours on the header formating  for just a 
copy past ?   Can't we in 2011 get ride of it and have a form that 
you fill and generate the header for your script ? This is the numberone 
pain in the ass thing that makes me vomit each time i use rebol.org 
....

I just submitted to rebol.org a 4 line script  and it took me 1 hour 
is it normal to spend 1 hours on the header formating  for just a 
copy past ?   Can't we in 2011 get ride of it and have a form that 
you fill and generate the header for your script ? This is the numberone 
pain in the ass thing that makes me vomit each time i use rebol.org 
....

so MAKE ME A FANCE BLINKING  WIDE  BUTTON ON THE MIDDLE OF MY PAGE 
AND BE SHORT NAME IT "UPLOAD A SCRIPT" !!! Focus on those 2 points 
and i will use rebol.org waaaaaaaaaaay much more. If you want to 
go crazy fancy and make it super cool you can add a picture + text 
describtion  for the GUI based script... Those are the details that 
separate a boring website noone use and a super website use widely 
!!

member's loundge ??? OMG it took me 1 more hour to find it ... can't 
you please use things that ring bells into the commoners and stop 
using snobe description ?

definatly there is too much text to read on rebol.org ... we are 
in 21th  century it's graphical and fancy eye candy era in case you 
didn't notice .. Less text Less Snobe description More images icons 
colors etc... and it's not only a CSS problem here is just I have 
to read alot and script alot scince all that could be resumed in 
1 nice looking icone bar ... pff ..

in my "member's loundge golf club for only snobish people that are 
snobe enough to still code in rebol"  ido you find normal to get 
the new about rebol community at the end of this page ??? I'm registered 
since 7 years in rebol.org and that's just now I notice it ..

shadwolf you are looking really frustrated, I have got only two advices 
for you

1. visit a good psychologist who would help you with your daemons 
for a lot of money (the more money, the better help.) or

2. try to forget that rebol even exists and stop to do anything about 
it.

Oh and for your information don't tell me that this all text wonder 
site is done for small device !! I have small device  like a smartphone 
and this is stupidly unreadable on it !!!

pavel i'm frustrated and people are happy with this insane rebol.org

pavel you want me to stop bitching rebol.org then do the changes 
!! even the worst blog of incompetent people looks better than rebol.org. 
you want to be taken serriously you want rebol to be considere as 
a profesional level than do things like in 2011 and not like in 1992 
thank you ...

pavel by the way my dear pavel friend this altme world is full of 
people that have completly forgot about rebol and don't give a damn 
anymore about it and it's more because of people like you than people 
like me :)

So does the rest of the world. Which means 10 billion people!  Pavel 
don't you find sad that the last year less than a hundred scripts 
have been submited to rebol.org ? don't you find sad the gurus main 
project around R3 are located on github and not anymore on rebol.org. 
Why they are using github and not rebol.org ? because rebol.org don't 
fit their needs that's the less we can say no ? Don't blame me because 
I notice things and instead of being the hypocrit way i choose the 
frantic way I notice too my dear pavel friend that you attack my 
mental stability but you don't  propose anything to reply to the 
points I notice and which are valid and widely noticeable.

So here are some stats to help you understand what we are talking 
about. Rebol.com exist since 7 years. there is 183 registred people 
apart Carl with 145 script and notchent with 105 script submited 
 the average script submition is 4 scripts per member registred. 
 Rebol.org was supposed to be the heart and the brain of rebol community 
7 years later we can notice that 10% of this is Carl Sassenrath and 
that in the last year less than a hundred scripts are uploaded.

So from those constatation and based on my personal experience  can't 
I try to explain why this is a faillure ?

and why this main community central point interest so fiew people 
around the world?

Don't you see that all the terrific information and all the effort 
to link things up is broken because of the  sad and sorry way to 
show things ? If Carl really want this boring website which won't 
surprise me since he can't  understand we changed century and that 
eye candy is the first thing then verywell do a side set of page 
with Eye candy modern rebol.org and put a borring  text button on 
your main page. Something like "If your are not an elite snobe click 
here this version of our website is for you"

another example of insane thing that makes me crazy .. why the script 
syntaxe color isn't done by default ... Why is there an anchor link 
to this feature ?? what is the need of it ... It's like you are saying 
"hu you know we did this syntaxe color feature but we are so elite 
and snobe that by default we don't use it because only plain text 
is for us"

can you some times be aware of the things you do and how you do them 
?

Wolfie: Its strange because I often agree with the "essense" of what 
you are saying, but the way you stuff and the anger in your tone, 
always means I just skip all the posts.

rebol.org is run mostly by ONE VOLUNTEER.  free, with hundreds of 
scripts, with thousands of features to support.  Adding a script 
to rebol.org doesn't *require* the full library header anymore.

I wonder how many hundred hours went into that huge site.   


I'm sorry if it took you one hour to write down 5 lines of text, 
but It doesn't take me that long.  I agree its not optimal, but the 
help page is simple and conscice.

like just about everything going on with the REBOL language and its 
community... right now...


 if you want to participate and actually DO something, (I mean doing 
 something else than bitch and moan), people will be happy for your 
 help, even Sunanda at rebol.org.


I used to be part of rebol.org team and it took me a single mail 
from me to get included in the team.  it might take a bit more from 
you now that you've just insulted its main (sole?) author pretty 
harshly.

maxim that's too easy to say that sunanda runs the things alone and 
that's the reason why rebol.org sucks ... when did sunanda call for 
help never ... when did he try to motivate people hating his website 
like me to participate. Last things my remarks about rebol.org are 
common sense. And they were made vastly in 2005 when it opens and 
when people style gived a damn. 6 years later rebol means nothing 
NOTHING it's lower than scrub and the recursive lack of work her 
killed rebol and any  initiative around it. Not only each time something 
cool is done in this community  Carl comes with a great announcement 
to ruin the effort but the  promise he makes never come to a reality.

If you can get the people that hates you to wrok with you to improve 
things then you are setting up a positive motion and that's what 
you all need here

you need direction. This means setting up priorities in things that 
need to change now. rebol.org since it's the central point of our 
very very veeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeery small 
community (we are less than 50 active people guys wake up ) then 
renoving it and upgrading it constantly is part of the main priorities; 
like supporting a console and R3/GUI and a new r3/web plugin and 
a new R3/desktop because desktop is related to rebol.org it makes 
 sense to serriously work on it.

well, just talk about it with him and surely, if you have the time 
he may let you help him.   you can already re-skin the site to make 
it look better.  I just don't have the time nowadays.

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You've probably triggered flood protection.....Leave it five minutes 
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That does not help. Even after downloading the library and installing 
in the same folders, the librarian still tries to download 169+ scripts

I have uploaded a new version of simple-test.r to the Script Library. 
The main changes were the addtion of some new assertions and a re-structuring 
of the code to provide an API for the function which evaluates test 
cases.


The assertions added are : equal with tolerance, not equal, not error, 
same, and not same.

My Logitech optical mouse pointer is getting harder and harder to 
control. It will be working smoothly and then for no obvious reason 
will stick to a certain spot for a moment and then jump ahead. Also, 
sometimes it will not work after starting the computer. Does anyone 
know what might be wrong?

In addition to the problem already discribed, the pointer will sometime 
start quivering and moving across the screen on its own power.  Distracting.

Mine did that too. My newer (wireless) MS mouse will sometimes go 
to sleep and need a shake to wake up, but no jitter like the Logitech 
did.

I've had a number of Logitech mice do that to me.  Seems M$ doesn't 
like Logitech's drivers sometimes.  I removed the Logitech drivers 
and just used the generic wheel mouse drivers and that problem went 
away.

One of the mice was plugged into a KVM Switch and would randomly 
decide to freak out on me like that when I would change ports on 
the switch.  It even freaked out under Linux but that's no problem, 
you grab a console and type 'kudzu' and the problem went away...

Louis, I have the same problem with a USB MS laser mouse. It quivers, 
goes for a run, and sometimes jumps all over the screen, usually 
after I wake it up.

I've got a glass top computer desk ... and I have to be sure I put 
the optical mouse on the non glass surfaces if I want it to move

Graham  some years ago the first optical mouse I saw was gived as 
serial for sun mircosystem workstation. Sun was providing with tose 
optical mouse a mouse carpet (don't know if the term is the right 
one) with a metal cover but this metal cover was not uniform it was 
more like a grid. This show that the optical sensor to detect movement 
need to have unperfect reflection (on other optical technology like 
micrisift one engeneers have thinked that the surface must be omogenus 
so they make flash the lazer diode. In sun technology the lazer diode 
of the optical mouse was continous and that's why you will need a 
special surface to make it working ).

graham: I actually have one of those for my old Amiga. The mat was 
not in good shape when I got it so I scanned the pattern and printed 
it again on a sheet of paper. unfortunately the pattern was a bit 
too high resolution for the old 300 dpi laser printer, so the mouse 
got slow, but it was still quite reliable.

It's true, untill you install the software than come with the mouse. 
Intllipoint is a huge soft for so few functionnality and can causes 
some crash.

R: I agree, the Microsoft mice are pretty good.  Very comfortable. 
 D: I assumed that, and haven't installed their software :^)

I am contemplating the horrors of setting up a dual-boot system (XP 
and I thought I'd try 'Breezy Badger') on a new (almost -- I've been 
procrastinating for months) hard drive.  Any advice?

On the face of it, it looks as if I need a primary partition for 
each OS and an extended partition for my data (which I'll break into 
two or three NTFS logical drives).  But what to do first?  Should 
I set up these partitions, then run the installs, or run each install 
hoping they do it for me?

My new hard drive is set to slave on the same controller as my current 
hard drive, so I can format and partition while using my current 
XP install.

Chris:maybe get a trial version of VMware and then try different 
distros till you find 1 you like and then set up an ext3 or the newer 
reiser  fs(spelling ? )

Yep, I probably should have done that, but curiousity in hype and 
fads led me to try Ubuntu.

Actually, I'm surprised at the success I had.  Probably should log 
it somewhere.  I switched my drives' master/slave positions.  Ran 
XP setup first into a preset NTFS partition.  Then ran the Ubuntu 
setup, slicing up the remainder of the disk.  The most useful side 
effect is that GRUB lets me boot not only to XP and Ubuntu, but also 
my existing XP setup on the now slave drive (meaning no rush to get 
my new XP setup finetuned -- never a trivial task).

Brian, I mean physically, like little and light weight. :>)

My wife wants a computer so small she can put it in her purse and 
not even know it is there. But it has to be able to do all the work 
of a desktop with a 21 inch monitor.  You can see that her's is a 
real reasonable request.

PDAs can do as much work as a desktop (of similar speed) with a 21in 
monitor, but limitations in the input and output methods can make 
it so difficult to use that it will be less effective. Try an OQO, 
Microsoft's Origami platform, or maybe RT can make a build for the 
Nokia 770.

Graham  and Brian, thanks!  I'll check out those devices.

There are too many drivers that will fail, and some low level programs 
need the MAC address not to change.

But it IS worth trying.  You might be able to correct all the errors, 
and since it is ghosted (both sides) you can return everything.

There is many issues when you do that.

Appart from what Reichart said, there is also SID and other things 
like that.