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Don't bother, I have loaded qml-ed already, wihtout changing the 
dir, and moving files manually after.

(I had the same error  than volker, but solved it by unchecking the 
images files in repack and downloaded only "template.html")

qml-ed not there
 -- How often is the Rebol index files rebuilded ?

sunanda I am getting an error from the server itself!  


whenever I press download, it starts the download (shows the green 
xfer data on the bottom, and then pops up an error:  here is the 
error as reported by LDS:

make object! [
    status: [100 20 "bad cgi data"]
    data: none
    diagnostics: [9003 9003 9.8084E-2]
    supply-date: 15-Sep-2006/1:03:41
]


have any idea where that is comming from?  I try to check it out 
from the code I have... but its been sooo long, A nudge on your part 
will help me get this working much faster IMHO!

well, I did all I can, for some reason, the same code under 1.2.10 
and 1.3.2 does not seem to request the same data on the server (I 
guess).

pow!  all fixed  :-)  just need to let slim  build the new release 
from all the included files and we are set !  I will also be doing 
just a little bit of cleanup within GLayout to reduce the size of 
the final single-file app...

Thanks Maxim,

I'll try to get the new version up and live in a few days -- I'm 
pretty busy myself right now.

I'm not sure people know the difference between the lesser GPL and 
GPL.

using official REBOL style guide and wrapping every lib within a 
CTX object and possibly an extra function which exposes the words, 
instead of forcing them directly using 'set.

and its pretty bot defensive  :-)  meaning there is little chance 
our work will be defaced.

http-tools is a good example.  I have some stuff, you have some stuff, 
there is A LOT of it here and there.

it would become public domain, meaning you relinquish rights to what 
you submit, unless someone wants to organize a rebol source foundation, 
and then we can have the foundation be the authorised copyright owner 
of the peer-reviewed libs.

I have advocated for this years ago... before rebol.org became organized 
by sunanda and team

well, there are some things that I've found to be astonishingly effective 
and that is asking questions in here. there is almost always an answer 
so you can get your code working.

but this is a closed world, it gets lost,  some ppl leave,  and it 
prevents the platform to grow.  seems like we are always rebooting 
the community every few years...

well, I guess that's how things are right now. I do find it to be 
a bit elitist, you have to ask permission to come in here and most 
of the people know each other somewhat.

There have been a number of initiatives in this area, but none have 
taken hold. I think it's *very* important, and have wanted it for 
a long time, but the hard part is coming up with a design that will 
work for everyone, since there is no standard for modules and libraries. 
I'm hoping R3's module design will address this, and give us the 
common ground we need to do something like this.

Part of the "problem" is that REBOL is really built for programming-in-the-small 
today, and being interpreted, you can't optimize out things you don't 
need--not without a preprocessor of some kind. It also lends itself 
to simple, direct word use, not the more verbose context/func approach. 
That makes it harder to build effective libraries. 


I've often thought that the best approach might be a simple library 
of "global" functions, which would basically add to the available 
words in REBOL, so they should be very generic, and there might be 
a lot of them. More complex modules would be contexts, and we'd need 
an agreed upon system for naming, exported words, etc.

Collecting things is a good first step, but then we quickly need 
to consider something like Ladislav's #include function  and a context/module 
standard.

I've been dumping functions on Big Bold's snippet repository; it's 
easy and provides visibility to non-REBOLers, but you can't search 
for stuff by tags and there is no collaboration system of course.

it has been used, I use it daily.  I have been using it for several 
years now.  and it does many things more than include.

it already handles all of what Carl proposes wrt modules.  except 
what can't be done like namespacing, and memory protection, which 
have to be hard-coded in the interpretor.

the basic premise is that any tool should be able to have several 
competing implementations and versions.  They are available, made 
free of license restraints.

All this would need is a few conspirators who manage the code submission 
in order to classify them and make sure they comply to a clear manifesto.,

rebol.org has many nice features.  but I feel (and sorry for being 
open and blunt) that its a tough resource to use.

We're now officially out of the 0.5.x series, which were meant to 
update our base technology and were thus fairly chaotic. We now have 
a good development platform for the innovations that we have been 
planning

We have just a few rendering functions, but they're deeply integrated 
with the video driver framework, now with backbuffering. When we 
add more functions they may need the same deep integration for the 
best result, and then we can't use an existing library directly. 
Of course, you can still use existing libraries on top of our framework, 
but that's not the most efficient solution

For example, I just ported SDL_gfx, a fairly powerful drawing library, 
but it's on top of SDL and SDL is ported on top of our system

No, just boot the live CD to try it. Only there's no live CD for 
0.6.0 yet, and the 0.5.7 one is taken offline until that happens

ok, so I will wait .... Syllable seems to be getting better and better. 
I will give it a try around Christmas, when I have some time to not 
work, but enjoy :-)

There are those people who seem to think that all good comes from 
companies, however small and whatever their track record

Why is software backed by a corporation a better route? Because in 
theory you can sue them, and decision makers are usually lazy and 
techically illetarate, so they prefer to have legal ways to assert 
themselves in case of need. I think thats part of the reason that 
RedHat succeed with Linux.

I would like to invite organisers here, as May is not so far away 
as it may seem, and to plan e.g. plane you need some time ahead ...

and to prepare conferences.

Could someone from organisators step-in here and tell further conference 
details? Some of us have to book plane or bus few months ahead ;-) 
So far there is only very little info released. Will there be any 
program prior to conference, as there was in Italy for e.g.? I would 
like to see hotel options listed/suggested etc. If noone responds 
here, I will try to contact organisers via email ... (email adresses 
could be listed there too, so far I know only how to contact Nenad 
;-)

sorry pekr, posted the link as there is some info not present on 
the official site but that page may be more internal organization 
stuff but at least there is the list of people involved. Hopefully 
some of them are listening and will come with updates.

i guess we all need to plan ahead (flight, hotel, i even have a friend 
who'd take the chance to come with me and visit paris).

Well, we've got it so far :-)  


Registration is open ! 

Just move to the Registration page on the 
Devcon 2007 site and follow the instructions. Conference prices and 
payment method are detailled in the Payment page.

And remember: no information published on the site means no information 
available...

Site has been updated with maps, iCal event and more ...

and the hotels informations are coming pronto !

excellent - most sites are just reference to hotel search portals. 
 It would be really nice guys, if you would manage some eventual 
hotel discounts for conference participants. Well, maybe a good idea 
would be to advertise DevCon a bit, to know how many ppl would attend. 
Or you can do it other way - reserve e.g. 30 rooms, and use FIFO 
(first in first out) - even email would work to book room, no form 
needed ...

Usually hotels will hold a block of rooms until about 2 - 3 weeks 
prior to the event.  We used a about 20 rooms in the previous two 
years so asking for 30 would work.  I did notice while in Paris last 
year that there are many small hotels and the larger hotels can be 
a bit pricey.  I think it does benefit to have the attendees stay 
in the same hotel.

and maybe ... this year is special, ppl are awaiting R3 to be born 
and change our future :-)

I should attend and have surprises, but I still have to clear the 
budget and the organisation, I should do this by week's end.

I just registered Carl and myself for the conf.  Does anyone know 
how many have registered yet? I wonder if we should have a list of 
attendees on the conf website or is that not a good idea?

somehow, the devcon should try to attract non rebolers of high profile... 
maybe even pay some of the fees for them... we need the industry 
to see just how proficient REBOL is, and now that its going to allow 
so much more by allowing us to compile our own tools within the interpreter.

Why not also attend general programming and technology conferences? 
Not to be too much off topic, but do REBOLers have a visible profile 
there?

yes and yes :-)

Well, the hotel data should come very soon... And, as said, no need 
any more to hold your breath :-)

See if we can do those flash gauges and put them up on a rebol plugin 
page.

all using notepad, and starting from scratch.

and I guess only a selection of files which anyone entering can use. 
 :-)

Instead of doing a "competition" why not just have a panel look at 
all that has been done and released in the public.  anyone wishing 
to submit stuff could also do so... if its not yet available or generally 
unknown....

I'm vouching for many of us who have famillies, jobs and other things 
which don't allow us to put much time on hobbies...

I would do it in following way - competition would be public. And 
winners would be announced/choosed at DevCon, at the banquet :-)

as I was saying on humour... I have many things to show off this 
time at the devcon... and I think, will release many of my tools 
there.

petr: me and Mario, mainly. (but of course many people from the rebol 
community helped)

hum pekr and me in the same room.. will people be able to stand such 
a tidal wave of "negativity"  ;-)

The people from Paris are now checking several possible hotels do 
achieve this. But it is likely that it will not be possible, because 
the conference is taking place in a period when many other colleges 
and universities (Sorbonne,...) are actually organising conferences. 
So are most hotels not able to welcome groups of persons.

I am wondering if there will be a place for people to meet, show 
off and exchange stuff as a group... later during the evening/night?

Carl and I are staying at the Hotel Excelsior on rue Cujas.  It has 
good prices, large rooms, internet access, and a patio.  An other 
good choice for the area is Hotel Desmines.

I'm planning to come to the DevCon (my lovely wife will be joining 
me).


Since I will be in Europe, and I can stay longer, if anyone would 
like to meet (for example about Qtask), this would be a good time 
to speak up.  Feel free to post to me privately….

Reichart: i'd love to have a long talk about qtask and all the other 
stuff :) but i assume you are planning that already.

ok.  new sessions and speakers added...

it's not possible :-( .... just 3 weeks in my new job, no vacation 
.... and I can't claim my boss, that rebol is part of our IT strategy 
.... but maybe once - who knows :-)

i think i will be bringing my camera, and i can shoot some videos, 
not sure i'll have the time to edit and publish them immediately 
though. i hope the organization didn't forget about creating videos 
:)

and german in the subwoofer  ?   ;-)

Some pics of Paris (and beyond) to whet the appeite for travel:

http://thrillingwonder.blogspot.com/2007/04/cool-murals-and-painted-buildings.html

Content of Carl's presentation was updated:

Introducing REBOL 3.0
 by Carl Sassenrath

(The content will be spread in probably more than one session)

Opening and a historical note.


What makes a system popular? Is it the language, the platform, or 
the applications? The bigger picture: the virtual OS. Moving beyond 
conventional OS models. Being a latform. The core of modern applications 
- it's not what you think.


The motivation for R3. The guiding theme. Portablity and extensibility 
- the R3 open foundation. Overview of R3 features.


Environments - embedding REBOL. Building your own version of REBOL 
- within a standard. Plugins - extending REBOL. The IO device model 
- how to create a device.


New datatypes. The Module architecture. Tasks, threads, and more. 
The new graphics system. All new port design. New debugging methods. 
New object tricks. DB access nd indexed files. IPv6 discussion. Compatibility 
- taming the lion. What's next? When and where can you get a copy? 
The goal of DevBase and DocBase.

and I am not brave enough to cheat and to claim my boss we need Rebol, 
so that they should send me over to Paris :-)

This is 2007, do you really need to be 

in" the office?" so true...  I work from home often, and its actually 
faster than the office cause I have better web and am alone using 
it  :-)

At this time, and I far as I know, there should be live video feed 
of the sessions available on the Net.

Th URL will probably be disclosed on the Devcon Website the thursday 
morning. And of course, on Altme.

I guess there will be also video recording, but can't say for sure.

i need to find some time and look at what i need to do (eg encoding) 
to put them there.

I think you just upload them, and they take care of the rest.

Your video is limited to 10 minutes and 100 MB. For more details 
about uploading videos, see the Help Center.

I remember reading on an Amiga gaming site that you can uplaod large 
files but need to go thru a process with youtube first and then all 
is good

ok, so quick poll. what do you want me to do? 1) split videos and 
upload to youtube, 2) upload to google video, 3) something else

youtube AND goggle video  ;-)

some guys are already in France :-) IIRC Rebolek and Cyphre travelled 
on Saturday already ...

I am now in Frankfurt, and will be in Paris in a few hours. (It has 
been a long trip - 18hrs.)

If the talk is not documented, it would be cool to have somoene serve 
as secretary, and get it all written down as points.

It would be very easy to do, and we *will* do that next time for 
sure.

Well, we've had above average temperatures in Denmark in April and 
May so far. It's been very dry. I suppose it could be worse in Frankfurt 
than it is here. :-)

I've set up a wiki at http://devcon2007.on-arran.com/(template to 
match the official DevCon site).  I'd be obliged if willing DevCon 
attendees would create pages with revelations and announcements from 
the conference, and also if non-attendees could help keep it organised.

I need some info on when or where and how I should do a video conference....

Thanks Chris: great idea!

I've updated  the Latest Info page, and added a page about the Library 
presentation ... including a link to the presentation itself. Please 
feel free to read it a ay in advance.

We are in Paris now.   Trying to locate Cypher and Gabriele.

(i didn't know about the pizza party tonight. it was announced to 
late and I had booked my flight already)

Yes, I hope to see you at the pizza party.... it is close to the 
DevCon, and to our hotel.  The other hotels are only about ten minutes 
away on foot.

Shucks, I wish I was there.  I was planning to go, but I have 3 REBOL-based 
products/projects going full steam which have been busy already for 
some months, and have no spare time for the next few months at least. 
 I wanted to show the wireless device I am working on at this conference. 
 I will try to post a video of it in the next day or 2.

It's a display and software which can go into many products, and 
does graphical messaging with very low bandwidth needs.

Absolutely...Once a REBOL addict, always one...no better way to do 
it!  My specialty is in proprietary embedded applications, so nearly 
all of my products never see the light of day of the public, but 
are industrial applications.  This one will be very public, however, 
but I have kept it under tight wraps.   I have several customer demos 
to do this week and next here in the USA.  We will be licensing it 
to various phone manufacturers and remote delievery areas.

Yes, and we have new mount for our observatory in preparation, gues 
what it will be driven by :-) Well, some mini-pc. The 16bit chips 
we use (Ubicom) are not powerfull enought to carry rebol, but never 
mind. VIA is now making pico-ITX format :-)

had a very wonderfull meal and talk with most of the attendees over 
pizza and beer...  :-)  


tomorrow will be very exciting...  R3 sounds like its going to be 
"kick ass"  (quoting Xavier Debecq here  ;-)

I can hear and see ...

Camera's on it's side.. that nice.. can lie on the couch and watch 
;) (after midnight here)

need to refresh every now and then

just keep the voice up, and it'll do fine

More hot news: Strategic partnership with Safeworlds:
RT develop the Language technology
SW will be the "platform and applet distributor"
Will merge REBOL/View, IOS and Altme  ===> Altme 3.0

Carl says Unicode is "problematical" and he'll be working with the 
community on it.

He said because he is in the US and Americans have little need for 
UNICODE, so he has little experience of working with it.  Hence he 
needs the wider REBOL community to help with it.