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MaxV: that bad face error message happens when u r trying to start 
a rebol/view without an actual x11 server. i was trying to trick 
it with xvfb and xvncserver but no luck

install xfonts-100dpi and xfonts-75dpi and the problem should be 
gone

(and you'll most certainly have to re-login to your x session after 
installing those packages.)

install the bitmap fonts and you'll be fine

SOLVED!!! Added dependecies xfonts-100dpi and xfonts-75dpi !!!! Thank 
you very much Adnreas!!!!!!!!
You can download last linux packages from: 
http://www.maxvessi.net/rebsite/Linux/

Max, have you looked into what would be required to get a proper 
repository for R2 and maybe R3 set up in multiverse?

Launchpad doesn't accept only binaries, it  wants the source and 
the it builds the binaries. I'll investigate on Multiverse...

MaxV and Andreas, great work on solving the 11.04 problem. So, that 
means these xfonts were on previous versions of Ubuntu, but not 11.

Rebol 2.7.8 not working on Kubuntu 11.04

I have installed xfonts-100dpi and xfonts-75dpi but same result
I have installed MaxV .deb package but still the same result.

I look at ldd command and I get a similar output that I got at Kubuntu 
10.10 ( where Rebol 2.7.8 works ok )
Any advice?


[ubuntu-:-ubuntu]:/media/CAJON/SoftwareKubuntu/software/LinuxMaxV$ rebol
** User Error: Bad face in screen pane!
** Near: size-text self

[ubuntu-:-ubuntu]:/media/CAJON/SoftwareKubuntu/software/LinuxMaxV$ uname 
-a

Linux ubuntu 2.6.38-8-generic #42-Ubuntu SMP Mon Apr 11 03:31:50 
UTC 2011 i686 athlon i386 GNU/Linux

[ubuntu-:-ubuntu]:/media/CAJON/SoftwareKubuntu/software/LinuxMaxV$ ls 
-la
total 7888
drwx------  2 ubuntu ubuntu   16384 2011-05-08 19:39 .
drwx------ 22 ubuntu ubuntu   16384 2010-12-14 11:15 ..

-rw-r--r--  1 ubuntu ubuntu  650478 2011-05-08 19:40 rebol-2.7.8.4.3-4.i386.deb

-rw-r--r--  1 ubuntu ubuntu 3907696 2011-05-08 21:00 xfonts-100dpi_1.0.3_all.deb

-rw-r--r--  1 ubuntu ubuntu 3464308 2011-05-08 21:01 xfonts-75dpi_1.0.3_all.deb

[ubuntu-:-ubuntu]:/media/CAJON/SoftwareKubuntu/software/LinuxMaxV$ ldd 
/usr/bin/rebol
        linux-gate.so.1 =>  (0x00f45000)

        libX11.so.6 => /usr/lib/i386-linux-gnu/libX11.so.6 (0x00c80000)

        libXext.so.6 => /usr/lib/i386-linux-gnu/libXext.so.6 (0x004ee000)

        libXt.so.6 => /usr/lib/i386-linux-gnu/libXt.so.6 (0x00985000)
        libXaw.so.7 => /usr/lib/libXaw.so.7 (0x005d4000)
        libXmu.so.6 => /usr/lib/libXmu.so.6 (0x00285000)

        libstdc++.so.6 => /usr/lib/i386-linux-gnu/libstdc++.so.6 (0x003bb000)

        libfreetype.so.6 => /usr/lib/i386-linux-gnu/libfreetype.so.6 (0x00110000)
        libm.so.6 => /lib/i386-linux-gnu/libm.so.6 (0x0059e000)
        libdl.so.2 => /lib/i386-linux-gnu/libdl.so.2 (0x00196000)

        libgcc_s.so.1 => /lib/i386-linux-gnu/libgcc_s.so.1 (0x00fcf000)
        libc.so.6 => /lib/i386-linux-gnu/libc.so.6 (0x00631000)

        libxcb.so.1 => /usr/lib/i386-linux-gnu/libxcb.so.1 (0x0025a000)

        libSM.so.6 => /usr/lib/i386-linux-gnu/libSM.so.6 (0x00933000)

        libICE.so.6 => /usr/lib/i386-linux-gnu/libICE.so.6 (0x00c65000)
        libXpm.so.4 => /usr/lib/libXpm.so.4 (0x00bff000)
        /lib/ld-linux.so.2 (0x002f9000)
        libz.so.1 => /lib/i386-linux-gnu/libz.so.1 (0x0019a000)

        libXau.so.6 => /usr/lib/i386-linux-gnu/libXau.so.6 (0x001af000)

        libXdmcp.so.6 => /usr/lib/i386-linux-gnu/libXdmcp.so.6 (0x001b4000)

        libuuid.so.1 => /lib/i386-linux-gnu/libuuid.so.1 (0x0080a000)

Any suggestions with Rebol 2.7.8 and Kubuntu 11.04 problem?

Just reboot? Ok, I was trying with a CD-Live so I have never restarted 
after installing the rebol.deb file.  I'll try it tomorow with a 
installed Kubuntu 11.04 and I'll post any new. Thank you for your 
help.

Tested with reboot after installing rebol-2.7.8.4.3-4.i386.deb and 
it works perfect. Thank you Max

I have tested with a CD-Live too, and after installing rebol-2.7.8.4.3-4.i386.deb, 
I log out the session, then restart the X Server from the login screen 
( a hidden option at shutdown icon ), and log in again with ubuntu 
and blank password. And it works perfect. Thank you Gabriele.

I put dd-wrt on a router once, and I heard of fedora on a router, 
and various linux based router os's. I suspect there is three options; 
1. use an x86 pc as a router, 2. use an x86 router, 3. use an arm 
type router with an arm rebol ($$$).

@DocKimbel: Thanks! There is a README file in the /etc/rc3.d/ directory 
that indicates to rename the file to a Knnapache2. I'll do it and 
see what blows up. :))

Thanks James. I heard someone had done it before. I have pretty much 
decided to scrap the idea for the time being. I seem to be stuck 
on the x86 platform for the time being, and x86 routers are expensive.

Under $200 for the router and server (or just router).  Syllable 
sounds tempting.  Can I run stunnel or something else for SSL support?

That package is `ia32-libs` on amd64 (pre-multiarch) and `libstdc++5` 
on i386 (and multiarch amd64). Except for Ubuntu 10.04 "Lucid" (the 
current LTS), for which it was decided to drop this ancient version 
of libstdc++ (a decision which was later reversed).

tilda = your home directory instead of typing /home/blah/

./ is an abbreviation of the current directory and is required, because 
the script is not in your PATH environment variable.

ok, thanks. I thought that once I am "standing" in the directory 
(shell shows /home/user/beagleboard_xm), then script in "current-dir" 
is going to be visible. But that is sometimes tricky, I use Midnight 
commande and ctrl+o to switch to console, which puts me sometimes 
in different directory ...

Google ( and Gabriele ) is your friend :)

I have an Ubuntu Linux 11.04, and altme does not start. I did

I did

sudo aptitude install xfonts-100dpi xfonts-75dpi

and altme042 gives:

** User Error: Bad face in screen pane!
** Near: size-text self

I've skimmed the log above and saw a .deb solution, will try it.

It's a disaster. You have to select, then middle click to paste, 
and often you first have to clear the target field even before you 
select the source field

Haha correct! But more than that. You have to select text at AltME, 
you have to right-click the selection at AltME, and then use the 
middle-click at the target text editor at OS (where your text is 
safe to be copied using usual means). As a text editor, gedit can 
be used.

lubuntu (light ubuntu) problems.

sudo green_meadow/computer_house/AltME/042/altme 
[sudo] password for gouslar: 

green_meadow/computer_house/AltME/042/altme: error while loading 
shared libraries: libXaw7.so.7: wrong ELF class: ELFCLASS64
Ok
ldd green_meadow/computer_house/AltME/042/altme 
	linux-gate.so.1 =>  (0xf77b5000)
	libX11.so.6 => /usr/lib/i386-linux-gnu/libX11.so.6 (0xf766a000)

 libXext.so.6 => /usr/lib/i386-linux-gnu/libXext.so.6 (0xf7657000)
	libXt.so.6 => /usr/lib/i386-linux-gnu/libXt.so.6 (0xf75fa000)
	libXaw7.so.7 => not found
	libXmu.so.6 => not found

 libstdc++.so.6 => /usr/lib/i386-linux-gnu/libstdc++.so.6 (0xf750f000)

 libfreetype.so.6 => /usr/lib/i386-linux-gnu/libfreetype.so.6 (0xf7478000)
	libm.so.6 => /lib/i386-linux-gnu/libm.so.6 (0xf744d000)
	libdl.so.2 => /lib/i386-linux-gnu/libdl.so.2 (0xf7448000)
	libgcc_s.so.1 => /lib/i386-linux-gnu/libgcc_s.so.1 (0xf742a000)
	libc.so.6 => /lib/i386-linux-gnu/libc.so.6 (0xf72ae000)
	libxcb.so.1 => /usr/lib/i386-linux-gnu/libxcb.so.1 (0xf728f000)
	libSM.so.6 => /usr/lib/i386-linux-gnu/libSM.so.6 (0xf7285000)
	libICE.so.6 => /usr/lib/i386-linux-gnu/libICE.so.6 (0xf726b000)
	/lib/ld-linux.so.2 (0xf77b6000)
	libz.so.1 => /lib/i386-linux-gnu/libz.so.1 (0xf7256000)
	libXau.so.6 => /usr/lib/i386-linux-gnu/libXau.so.6 (0xf7252000)

 libXdmcp.so.6 => /usr/lib/i386-linux-gnu/libXdmcp.so.6 (0xf724b000)
	libuuid.so.1 => /lib/i386-linux-gnu/libuuid.so.1 (0xf7244000)
Ok
lsb_release -dr
Description:	Ubuntu 11.10
Release:	11.10
Ok
uname -asm

Linux greenmeadow 3.0.0-14-generic #23-Ubuntu SMP Mon Nov 21 20:28:43 
UTC 2011 x86_64 x86_64 x86_64 GNU/Linux
Ok


How do I fix missing "libXaw7.so.7" and "libXmu.so.6"?

A report about my adventures:

sudo aptitude install libxaw7 libxmu6
[sudo] password for gouslar: 

0 packages installed, updated or deleted. 0 bytes of archives received.
Ok
sudo aptitude search libxaw7 libxmu6

i A libxaw7                         - X11 Athena Widget library  
               

p   libxaw7-dbg                     - X11 Athena Widget library (debug 
package) 

p   libxaw7-dev                     - X11 Athena Widget library (development 
hea

i A libxmu6                         - X11 miscellaneous utility library 
        

p   libxmu6-dbg                     - X11 miscellaneous utility library 
(debug p
Ok
sudo ldconfig
Ok
ldd 042/altme 
...
	libXaw7.so.7 => not found
	libXmu.so.6 => not found
...
Ok
ls /usr/lib/i386-linux-gnu/libXmu*
No such file(s).
Ok
ls /usr/lib/i386-linux-gnu/libXaw*
No such file(s).
Ok

Then, I installed rebol-2.7.8.4.3-4.amd64.deb from maxvessi.net.

(GTK-DEBI installer was saying to 47 additional packages, then it 
hung before downloaded anything. I killed some processes it created. 
Then I re-ran gdebi, it said all dependencies of 'rebol' are satisfied 
and installed 'rebol' quickly.)

Then, I re-ran:

ldd 042/altme 
...
	libXaw7.so.7 => not found
	libXmu.so.6 => /usr/lib32/libXmu.so.6 (0xf75c3000)
...
Ok
sudo aptitude install libXaw7 libxaw7-dbg libxaw7-dev
...it installed 21 new package...
Ok
ldd 042/altme 
...
	libXaw7.so.7 => not found
...
Ok
042/altme 

altme: error while loading shared libraries: libXaw7.so.7: wrong 
ELF class: ELFCLASS64
Ok

And I am using a 64-bit OS.

Hmm. Was hacking a bit more. I cannot get ldconfig to be sane and 
include all file names into its cache, tried all ways it seems.

And ld.so.conf includes /usr/lib32/

I re-ran it when all *Xaw7* were already present and /usr/lib32/ 
was present at ld.so.conf.d/biarch*.conf. After that re-running, 
*Xaw7* was still missing from its cache. Why? And how to force it 
into a cache?

it must show 0.0000(0)1 cpu usage on optimal OS and fs and tar implementation

Are there desktop gadgets sitting on the screen background and screen 
foreground etc available on Linux, who knows?

SHIT. GTK+ 3.x now supports CSS.
machines get slower and slower with all of that
stupid architects

The design also has limitations with threading/multi-core and hardware 
rendering

hardware rendering --- it has OpenGL, FrameBuffer and some other 
no-X ways... i don't know

I mean no-X OpenGL and no-X Framebuffer. Maybe that diagram is misleading 
but maybe it is not misleading

Also, GTK is cross-platform. The EFL diagram vaguely mentions Win32/CE 
but mainly it still seems to be tied to Linux and maybe BSD

Well. With tweaking configs and stuff maybe. Out of the box, it doesn't 
work.

The image and .cfg are easily extractable from the archive.

And Kaj already mentioned DirectFB.

One of the details I left out in the above overview is how clients 
actually render under wayland. By removing the X server from the 
picture we also removed the mechanism by which X clients typically 
render. But there's another mechanism that we're already using with 
DRI2 under X: direct rendering. With direct rendering, the client 
and the server share a video memory buffer. The client links to a 
rendering library such as OpenGL that knows how to program the hardware 
and renders directly into the buffer. The compositor in turn can 
take the buffer and use it as a texture when it composites the desktop. 
After the initial setup, the client only needs to tell the compositor 
which buffer to use and when and where it has rendered new content 
into it.


This leaves an application with two ways to update its window contents:


   1. Render the new content into a new buffer and tell the compositor 
   to use that instead of the old buffer. The application can allocate 
   a new buffer every time it needs to update the window contents or 
   it can keep two (or more) buffers around and cycle between them. 
   The buffer management is entirely under application control.

   2. Render the new content into the buffer that it previously told 
   the compositor to to use. While it's possible to just render directly 
   into the buffer shared with the compositor, this might race with 
   the compositor. What can happen is that repainting the window contents 
   could be interrupted by the compositor repainting the desktop. If 
   the application gets interrupted just after clearing the window but 
   before rendering the contents, the compositor will texture from a 
   blank buffer. The result is that the application window will flicker 
   between a blank window or half-rendered content. The traditional 
   way to avoid this is to render the new content into a back buffer 
   and then copy from there into the compositor surface. The back buffer 
   can be allocated on the fly and just big enough to hold the new content, 
   or the application can keep a buffer around. Again, this is under 
   application control.


In either case, the application must tell the compositor which area 
of the surface holds new contents. When the application renders directly 
the to shared buffer, the compositor needs to be noticed that there 
is new content. But also when exchanging buffers, the compositor 
doesn't assume anything changed, and needs a request from the application 
before it will repaint the desktop. The idea that even if an application 
passes a new buffer to the compositor, only a small part of the buffer 
may be different, like a blinking cursor or a spinner.

In computing, the Direct Rendering Infrastructure (DRI) is an interface 
and a free software implementation used in the X Window System to 
securely allow user applications to access the video hardware without 
requiring data to be passed through the X server. Its primary application 
is to provide hardware acceleration of the Mesa implementation of 
OpenGL. It has also been adapted to provide OpenGL acceleration on 
a framebuffer console without an X Server running.

 http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Direct_Rendering_Infrastructure_(DRI)

So it seems that DRI and DRI2 are way to go.

Unrelated thing: "The Linux framebuffer (fbdev) is a graphic hardware-independent 
abstraction layer to show graphics on a computer monitor, typically 
on the console. The word framebuffer means a part of video memory 
containing a current video frame, and the Linux framebuffer means 
\u201caccess method to the framebuffer under the Linux kernel\u201d, 
without relying on system-specific libraries such as SVGALib or another 
user space software." http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Linux_framebuffer

More DRI info: "Wayland display server, hosted by freedesktop.org 
and developed by several X.Org developers, both addresses criticisms 
of X by replacing it completely and works directly with the hardware 
via DRI. It is planned for Wayland to eventually replace X in Ubuntu[10] 
and Fedora,[11] the two most popular Linux distributions.[12] Wayland 
handles backward compatibility with X by optionally running an X.org 
server as a client, which can be rootless (having one Wayland window 
per X client).[13]"  http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/X_Window_System

And more DRI and DirectFB: "Other competitors attempt to avoid the 
overhead of X by working directly with the hardware. Such projects 
include DirectFB. The Direct Rendering Infrastructure (DRI), which 
aims to provide a reliable kernel-level interface to the framebuffer, 
may make these efforts redundant.[14]" (same article)

Faster DEs: "Q: How much faster is fluxbox compared with XFCE? A: 
Fluxbox will certainly load much faster after the login screen, and 
will consume probably 1/2 to 1/3 of the RAM that xfce will, but if 
you have lots of RAM you probably won't notice much speed difference 
after the loading process. However, if you only have 256MB of RAM 
fluxbox is the way to go..." http://forums.linuxmint.com/viewtopic.php?f=142&t=30599
(Untested by me)

AltME. I installed RHEL-based 64-bit Linux. And yum shows no 32-bit 
emulation libs. Anyone knows is it possible to set up RHEL64 for 
32-bit altme? The disto is ScientificLinux http://scientificlinux.org

As far as I know, DRI requires 3D support. DirectFB supports 2D hardware 
and drivers. It can be combined with OpenGL

sudo apt-get install xfonts-100dpi xfonts-75dpi
[sudo] password for gouslar: 
Reading package lists... Done
Building dependency tree       
Reading state information... Done
xfonts-100dpi is already the newest version.
xfonts-75dpi is already the newest version.
0 upgraded, 0 newly installed, 0 to remove and 0 not upgraded.
Ok

I usually do it the other way around. Find a favorite editor and 
attach R2 or R3 to it.

I hope that they get the slides or static copies of the streams up 
soon. With my schedule, I have not been able to be awake and online 
during any of the presentations, even to chat here.

and is it still going on?

I will ask RT to host the site archive and the videos. My host at 
rebdocproj.org does not allow too much HD space....

hehe, by the lack of new info about R3 from the DevCon (due to my 
insufficient ability to follow spoken English, as well as due to 
no slides released), I wen to http://www.rebol.net/cgi-bin/r3blog.r?index=0
and re-read most of the blogs and its comments, and now I feel that 
so much was said already about R3, that I feel satisifed :-)

normally you'd have the timer on your laptop display and not on the 
presentation

I can imagine complete cute app for DevCons. Not video and sound 
till Rebol 3 and proper plug-ins, but imagine this - kind of server 
(Cheyenne), accepting outer connections. Each presenter would have 
to send his slides to conference organisers, who would put it into 
structure - Schedule, with time slots. I know that schedules are 
missed, or skipped, but once connected, you could see what session 
is actually broadcasted, you could see progress bar of the estimated 
time left till the end of the session, and as presenter would go 
via slides, it would be "broadcasted" to outer world ...

pekr, to supplement your idea, it could go outside and in as well, 
presenting your stuff on the big screen from home

Maybe we would need two beamers - e.g. how Reichart presented his 
stuff. On one screen you could see face of presenter right corner, 
and slides, the second one could be used for live demo or something 
like that :-)

I just looked at flight prices and it is like 1000 Euro just to get 
there :-(

Tax: Not if I stay two weeks ;-) But anyway... my tax accounting 
consultant should know a good trick. And how long is the flight? 
From Frankfurt to San Francisco it's 11h. And than another 6h?

My vote is Sydney or Brisbane (Sydney easiest for air connections) 
due to the diversity of things to do there during the conference. 
 And maybe next year my project load won't be so heavy and rushed.

Arran, also a choice spot (seriously).  How could I have left it 
out?  (And while we're at it, let's give Ireland back to the Irish!)

I can't wait until I have time to watch every single Devcon video 
and absorb what all was presented.  Italy was fantastic last year. 
 One dose lasts me for a whole year.

Robert, fly to LA, stay at my LA place...enjoy LA, then fly to Maui 
(5 hours).  I tend to fly out in the morning, and arrive by noon 
in Maui.

Of note, I don't push hard for Maui because I live here, I push because 
I have traveled around the world, and I think YOU GUYS would have 
the most fun, do the most "different things" and collectively have 
a more rich experience.


Since Maui is a place of the sun…we would play in the day partially, 
and do the DevCon in the afternoon and evenings.  Everything would 
be done differently…it would be very cool.


Swim with turtles and dolphins and perhaps whales in the morning, 
learn about comparative languages and new programming tricks in the 
afternoon.  Eat the freshest fish you will every have for dinner, 
then enjoy a lecture outside in the warm air with the sky completely 
filled with stars you did not know were even there!

She snorkled out too far into the ocean, and was brought back by 
two dolphins. Apparently a common occurrence there

if DevCon would be in Europe, I vote for Amsterodam - 1) Maarten 
could help with organisation 2) I listen to two Dutch bands 3) you 
can legally smoke marijuana there - that would be cool beginning 
of innovative ideas to devcon - to smoke Carl and talk about Rebol 
possibilities ;-)

Im realy proud actualy to see Rebol grow the way it has (sounds silly 
but it is), there are susch a load of people doing so many intesting 
things with Rebol its realy refreshing to see the time and science 
they put it their projects..fantastic...

Hi, back from DevCon. It was AMAZING!

Re: next DevCon location, there was a push from the so-called 'czech 
connection' for next DevCon to be in CZ, but Maui is really nice 
idea.

But I have to sell both my liver and kidney to get there, so I'll 
wait for some closer location in following years :)

One kidney and a piece of liver at most  :)

I started a checklist here for people to put their favorite highlights 
from Devcon into it (maybe useful in the future for ideas, and also 
a way for people to learn more)

ladislav, sorry to hear that. it was a bit difficult to make out 
what you said, and it didn't help that the camera hardly ever pointed 
at the screen.

no, and I worry Carl went for other priorities already and we will 
not see the slides :-)

we have 2.7.6 almost ready... and R3 will be in alpha in a little 
more than a week

btw - what is the plan for initial release? will it be released only 
to some selected developers initially, and July, 15, to the public?

Gabriele - from your pov ... is it usable? You know, when 2.0 "project 
Contra" was released, it was more than fine and stable ... :-)

networkind and vid, yes.

it's being developed next week ;) the native part is done and Carl 
does that.

we need just http for june 1st and that should take a day or two

but there are many issues to discuss and documents to write...

petr: that's something the "wrapper" should do. grab some windows 
expert and you'll have a solution - you won't need rt to do builds 
for you anymore ;)

so it should be...  a few lines and you have a fully functional user 
interface, for all the common cases.

I would like to ask, re. posted slides - why is rebin a problem and 
hence is deferred?

and the new event datatype will be good for this too.

OHH and at a great high quality 8-)))

and you are on window right?

Can we just move them all to Rebol.org (for example)?
Throw them on a page in a simple clean table


[Date and time of talk | Name of speaker | subject | link to movie 
]

I'm not sure there is a way to save the udp stream, they shuld enable 
tcp/http so we can dowload and save, then maybe transcode to a more 
friendly format

yea then I could dl and batch convert to multiple formats if needed, 
at least could try to.. 8-)

I made a task on Qtask Rebol Devcon for Didier.  They can upload 
them all to Qtask.  Qtask has syndication of Qwikis and Files coming 
today (in fact).

So Qtask can now host public files.

(François Jouen and Pierre Sahores)

The on demand broadcast seems not dumpable as with the ultraverbose 
vlc -vvv rtsp://195.220.133.26:80/iStream/01_opening1.mov

I can see the video and see the "SETUP <url>/trackID=4" and PLAY 
RTSP commands while, with the dump parameters:  vlc rtsp://195.220.133.26:80/iStream/01_opening1.mov 
:demux=dump :demuxdump-file="01_opening1.mov"

the SETUP and PLAY don't work (actually they are not even tried) 
and I get 
VLC media player 0.8.6a Janus

[00000288] main input error: no suitable access module for `rtsp://195.220.133.26:80/iStream/01_opening1.mov'
[00000279] main playlist: nothing to play
I also tried some vlc scripting but with no success

nope, i don't have the 2007 ones, actually i wanted to dowload them 
to archive together with the 2004 and 2005 ones... i did rtsp + http 
back in 2004, so it's not only possible but quite easy.

Anyone a member of Amigaworld?

Could you update this thread so it doesn't end on such a downbeat 
note?
http://amigaworld.net/modules/news/article.php?storyid=3699

Last post, pre-DevCon, says <<Unfortunately, server that is hosting 
the REBOL devcon site has been changed and is experiencing some trouble.>>

it uses partial downloads and even if it fails, it starts from that 
place and continues .... not sure where I have it. But someoneš mentioned 
Anton did some batch downloader?

and yeksoon blogged about it 10th Sept 2006

on Windows I use ffdshow (really best imo) and I will try one suggested 
splitter (from Matroska), which might resolve the issue. Then I will 
try VLC, or look for QuickTime update, but I have version 7 already 
and I don't want to go for Pro version ...