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And yes, congratulations to you, too, Robert !!!

congratulations to the new fathers and the best wishes to the babies 
and their mothers

Congrats Jaime and Robert!!

Blessings to you and your family Robert

congratulations to both. may you be blessed with children's laughter 
and.... as few diapers as possible. :-)

A little late from me, but congrats to Jaime and Robert and anyone 
else I missed

And here I thought you guys only had time for Rebol ;)

jaime congrats to you and yours, all the best.

this is a good way to market Rebol. nice and subtle.

The website was done by my partner and I think it's based on a product 
called Community Server.

In Altme, the message should be in bold and in color of the nick 
to mimic IRC behaviour

improved systray support .. viz. support mouse overs. and different 
icons

Sorry, got too excited and remarked in Announce Group (A big no-no). 
Anton, man, that is very cool.

Thanks :)  and I am here to solve any problems that crop up.

Very nice toolbar utility and documentation Henrik.

(and thanks everyone!)

Not nice enough... I've updated it to version 0.0.4 which basically 
is a rewrite to get rid of a lot of "magic numbers" and almost all 
VID dependencies. There's a new manual and the method for creating 
a toolbar has been changed. Demo has also been updated with a couple 
of new functions. The URLs are the same so look in Announce for those.

One comment on the sample 'face for the search field.  If you turn 
off icons in your demo you are only left with the text for the icon 
- 'search' - and the field has disappeared with the other icons. 
 What are your plans in this case?

My two cents, in this case you should have a way to either tell the 
field not to disappear.  Maybe align the text followed by the field 
 ie.  Search [______]  , or add/change this option to represent the 
icon and text horizontally and force the face portion to remain on 
screen when the 'Text' view mode is selected.

I've been thinking about this and studied MacOSX behaviour which 
simply is to popup a window with the face contents when clicking 
on the "Search" text in the toolbar. This will come later.

It's easy, you choose some character and can see france translation 
and how to write it and listen (in more of them) But it probably 
require some knowledge of chinese

And here is doc: http://www.rebolution.net/aide_sinogrammes.html

and the animations using draw

Louis, if you use now/precise instead of now/time/precise, and then 
difference end-time start-time instead of end-time - start-time, 
it will also work across midnight.

Oldes: slight optimization there :-) That's what I like about AltME: 
You put code in and optimized code comes out. :-)

merge and name them http-tools2.r :)

Please don't remove it Graham; at least not without us thinking about 
it some more. If things refer to it, and they get a different script 
now, it will cause confusion.

Well, all styles which use scroller obviously inherit the behaviour. 
I just tested my scroll-area and scroll-table styles (- it's so cool. 
I didn't think it would have this effect on me after all this time.)

(and docs are on their way shortly)

and btw, GLayout is a layer over VID, so any VID styles you have 
can pretty easily be imported straight into GLayout.  All they need 
to do is react to one or more callbacks, for which many presets are 
already built up, which you can just pick and choose.

and, I must also add that some of the visuals are based on prior 
work done by henrik.

following discussion from ann-reply :
Pekr: 

>> do http://www.rebol.org/cgi-bin/cgiwrap/rebol/download-a-script.r?script-name=glayout-demo.r
connecting to: www.rebol.org
Script: "GLayout demo" (31-Oct-2006)
Script: "SLiM - STEEL | Library Manager" (14-Jul-2004)
** Script Error: Invalid path value: find-path
** Near: unless slim/find-path %GLayout.r [

    either confirm "GLayout not found. Download it from Rebol.org?" [
        either ...


hum, looking at the date besides your slim install... its a very 
old version!  I guess you had tried it out a few years back and still 
use the same rebol install or user.


just delete the slim.r file and the demo script will download it 
for you again.

Maxim, I thought perhaps I had the same problem and now it works. 
Very nice.

Yes, and the reverse.

I was able to use the same code to grab the data from forms, validate 
it, and then repopulate the forms

You can double-click the line ends to toggle three arrowhead states: 
 arrowhead (default), fins (not sure the exact word), and off.

Ryan, cool !  If you have any ideas for the design then feel free 
to suggest them, as the design is not fixed at the moment. Also, 
if there are styles that you feel the need for then suggest them 
and I'll add it to the todo list for consideration.

oh, and of course user selectable bubble colours.

I haven't seen the code but I guess you just check against some bitmap 
mask and then search the objects in an array or so...

I draw a second (different, but similar) bitmap and then retrieve 
the color at that position.

with liquid being lazy, its processing the least so all it neads 
to refresh on any element change is that AGG line block and then 
it just reassembles the draw list.  updating both lists when it needs 
to (not all changes will actually rebuild the 2nd draw block look, 
since it does not share all properties )

It's not R3 though. For that you wait, and provide suggestions and 
feedback to help shape it.

What I can say R3/View is evolving in a good way. I'm sure everyone 
who is willing to test first alphas(or whatever Carl release) will 
get a chance to test and make feedback/suggestions. Just please be 
patient. R3 is not just some simple update or bugfix ;)

ok, i ve followed some discussions about agg and i can only dream 
about what can be done with it.  I know that R3 is a major re creation 
of the virtual machine, but as a programmer i cant wait to see a 
version of rebol that interest the corporate world....  I	ll try 
to help as far as i can

Peter, is that error based on right-cliking and playing around with 
the menu?

Louis: (in reply to announcement)  Yes things are finally falling 
into place.  :-)  such as is with layered apis, you need each layer 
to be stable before tackling the next, and I've been slowly yet steadily 
building up a very nice set of tools.

Now I'm at a stage of refinement of the liquid core based on usage 
and desire for the most simplicity vs features.  In the last months, 
I've at least doubled the flexibility of the liquid I/O model and 
am working on a new iteration which should add yet another little 
layer of flexibility.

the canvas engine took a few hours to make, & then the demo took 
a few hours more (mostly handling the events)  so although you could 
choose to make the tool using custom code and trying to fix all data 
relationships manually... using liquid allows one to do so very quickly 
and results in rather speedy code.

(and then I know that liquid itself can be made 10-25% faster by 
removing some of the debugging stuff :-)  but I'm waiting for my 
code compositor before strarting to mangle with release threads.

Maxim : Possibly, I can't remember exactly and it didn't cause the 
script to abort. I  couldn't recreate the error today.

It's working as you need it, and looks good, right ?

Well, it is a "sideeffect" of TOOLBAR. I just found that it's a simple 
way to make button bars with right aligned buttons. OK-BAR and OK-CANCEL-BAR 
are even simpler. I do have my own system for requests, as I think 
the ones that are built in are too ugly and simple, but I'm not sure 
if they are general enough for publication.

The words dialect is not terribly obvious how it works, because it 
advances the index of ARGS by one for you. You still have to remember 
to advance by one for every argument that you understand and consume.

Oh my. That is uber cool document, and it should be part of VID docs. 
That really nicely explains, in very human fashion, how some internals 
work!

Why not just pay $5 per year and get a domain?

thanks... I can't wait to let you guys play around with all of this. 
 I am thinking of implementing magnets and physics within the editor.

strangely I have found out that when using row/column engines like 
glayout (and others) I get 10 times quicker results than using any 
mouse driven, static page editor.

james; Umm, letting me live in REBOL land.  :)  Debian comes with 
hundreds of web

environments, I'm sticking with REBOL as much possible.  And I can, 
if needed, modify

Cheyenne in a crunch,  a lot faster than I can grok through Apache, 
etc...


It's my first crack at being a server.  Lots to learn, and I plan 
on getting knocked to

the ground a few times, but that's ok.  Everything is rsync'ed from 
Spike (the main)

to Chester (the redundant) so I'll do my best to protect client data.


The plan is progressing to have a RebGUI frontend for clients to 
change pieces of 

their webpage,  (through REBOL/LNS running on the server), so the 
people

of my smalltown can have a web page with zero html experience.   
Fancy stuff, I go
on the clock...cheaply.  It is a smalltown.  :)   Today is day 1.

Yep.  A start.  Big plans for this smalltown.  Whether they like 
it...or not.  :)  But after

today I have to worry about uugggh, marketing.  And thanks Anton. 
 It means a lot
(to me) to hear that (from you).

Very cool indeed Brian! The cards have a wonderful "tactile" look; 
the push-pins need to be more realisitc to match them though (just 
a constructive thought :-). That is, they're at an extreme angle, 
and the pin isn't actually pushed in to the "board".

I'd probe the draw blocks and look for the pen <color> <color> issue.

Icarii - just a small note - new rebrings mini - try to hold right 
mouse button and do some moves - it will draw green dots ....

re using RebTower in Linux - until next version please change fonts 
in rebtower.r and builder.r from verdana/tahoma to something similar. 
 Then run builder.r again to rebuild cards and you should be fine 
:)

in next version I will add OS detection and substitute correct fonts 
- it is a little harder under linux though as fonts arent very standard 
:(

Btw, when the tower exceeds 100, it becomes difficult to see how 
rich I am...:-) Maybe limiting the high of the walls and tower would 
be good ?

i will lock tower and wall at 100 and stockpile resources at 999 
in next release - once i've got the lobby completed :)

what i don't understand is the claim that captchas don't require 
View. Current 2.6.2 core (linux and windows) don't have the draw 
function !

I've been using the captcha for a month now, and I'm only using core.

does this line work on your core version ? I just tried in 2.6.2.3.1 
and it fails

apparently the newer rebcmd has draw, but both my linux and win versions 
don't have it. I will ask for updated versions. BTW, what is the 
latest linux rebcmd version that you have ?

Thanks. BTW, I checked the latest rebcmd for win and linux (2.5.125) 
and it does not include the draw function. The latest builds are 
only in the sdk (directory builds/sdk/ ) and those rebcmd there  
provide the draw function. thanks

Oldes - gif parser, cool. Never used stream-io. Hopefully DELECT 
will help with binary parser, Rebcode is still part of R3, and that 
we can start implementing media loaders/savers :-)

Unlike PARSE, DELECT handles unordered dialects (grammars) such as 
DRAW and VID. In such dialects the order of arguments is less important 
than their type, making them more human friendly because users don't 
need to remember the detailed order of arguments (only a rough order).

I think we don't need binary parsers on C level. We just need fast 
decoders which for example decodes binary chunk I can easily get 
from the avi file and return the image.

Awesome news, Henrik. Thanks to RT and everybody involved for all 
the hard work to get things ready for the public. I'm so excited!

Hehe, I opened 12 years Jameson and Portugal wine :-)

I guess that, at least, Graham and BrianH would use/test it ;-)

et = and

Peter/Oldes: I only saw chapters 1/2/and 4.Is 3 being ready for Lulu.com 
? I bought the 3 last night

LOL with the 10'000 post! And then a newcomer! Bah! Some people are 
just so lucky! ;-)

what's so different between 10'000 and 999 or 666 ??  Does anyone 
believe in numerology??

9001 and 9334.   No.

Well, 8's and 9's are good.  7 is cool, 6 sucks, 5 is like kindergarten, 
4 is too small, 3 is ok as its a factor of 9, 2 is a nag, 1 is where 
it's at and 0 is not worth its own weight in gold.  So I'd go with 
642.

I need some advice on what lotto numbers to purchase

 ... any and all above 31. You won't increase your odds of winning, 
 just the likely payout if you do win (i.e. many people pick numbers 
 based on birthdays) ;)

My wife asked me to pick some numbers some years ago for her lotto 
... I said 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 as being as likely a set of numbers as 
any other.  Of course she decided against it, and sure enough a good 
set of these particular numbers came in :(

I once saw a blurb on the tube; if you take weekly lotto money and 
invest it faithfully;  after 30 years or so, you can call all your 
friends and yell "Hey, I just won 50 grand!"

Granted to get thru most corporate configurations though they probably 
only ALLOW the FTP and HTTP traffic

It's not, but most of the time (at least, here in France), corporates 
allow only HTTP/HTTPs traffic (and sometimes FTP).

Henrik, the "documentation" link on this page - http://hmkdesign.dk/rebol/files/303a60cc3d66c8c4c23bc5a2106ef63a-118.html
- goes to .../rebol/files/html-dialect/... and I've got 404,

but the documentation link on this page - http://hmkdesign.dk/rebol/page0/page0.html
- goes to .../rebol/html-dialect/... and works.

Hope it's going to be readable in AltMe... :/

Hm, it isn't :)
Copy and paste it somewhere else to get full text :)

it looks to me as if he's creating some form of pseudo XML tags. 
my dialect looks like any other rebol code (yes, I care a lot about 
the appearance of the dialect), and I think his goal is more to be 
for template, where my dialect is not meant for templates at all. 
My goal is to describe webpages in as little code as possible in 
100% REBOL style.

for example, table layouts are a dialect on its own to describe the 
layout of a single row and then repeat that, where his uses a more 
rigid html-like structure.

and my dialect can be very terse with a table description. given 
that 'data is a block of objects, all I have to write is:

table table-style rows data


and then it renders the table with each object as one row. 'table-style 
would be a css class.

There's definitely room for improvement and consolidating features...

Chris, I get an error...
connecting to: chart.apis.google.com

** Access Error: Cannot open /c/documents and settings/brock/application 
data/rebol/public/chart.apis.google.com/c
hart?cht=ls&chs=150x40&...
** Where: read-thru
** Near: write/binary file data
if all

Thanks Chris, I'll give it a check later and report back.

The results of the search engine at Lulu.com don't always show all 
of the chapters of Rebol -programmer's guide. The chapter  that have 
previously been released are:

  Chapter 1 - Discover Rebol in an Hour (Êhttp://www.lulu.com/content/2092020
  )

 Chapter 2 - The Rebol Language (Êhttp://www.lulu.com/content/2160570
 )Ê

 Chapter 3 - GUI, graphics and sound (Êhttp://www.lulu.com/content/2175653
 )

 Chapter 4 - Networking and the Internet (Êhttp://www.lulu.com/content/2160633
 )

 Chapter 5 - Rebol for Pros (Êhttp://www.lulu.com/content/2845102
 )

Peter:  Great to see you've finally finished your translation and 
other work on the book.  I look forward to hearing about the paper 
version.

Right click any Divider...  You'll see a setting for WorldMaster 
Dividers.  It's the World Default and controlled by World Masters...

Hmm, maybe temporarily rename the group with a Z prior to the group 
name, then sort alphabetically and drag from the bottom of the list 
to the group in question?