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>> send [tim-:-akwebsoft-:-com] "testing rebol"                        
                                             
Net-log: ["Opening" "tcp" "for" "esmtp"]
connecting to: mail.akwebsoft.com
Net-log: [none "220"]

Net-log: {220-host266.hostmonster.com ESMTP Exim 4.76 #1 Sun, 09 
Oct 2011 11:45:39 -0600 }

Net-log: {220-We do not authorize the use of this system to transport 
unsolicited, }
Net-log: "220 and/or bulk e-mail."
Net-log: [["HELO" system/network/host] "250"]
Net-log: {250 host266.hostmonster.com Hello bart [64.4.232.191]}
Net-log: ["AUTH CRAM-MD5" "334"]
Net-log: ["WARNING! Using plain authentication."]

Net-log: [{AUTH PLAIN dGltQGFrd2Vic29mdC5jb20AdGltQGFrd2Vic29mdC5jb20AdEhqMTk0OSc=} 
    "235"
]

** User Error: Server error: tcp 503 AUTH command used when not advertised
** Near: smtp-port: open [scheme: 'esmtp] 
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The rebol client should send "EHLO" and not "HELO"

>> set-net [[tim-:-akwebsoft-:-com] mail.akwebsoft.com mail.akwebsoft.com 
none none none [tim-:-akwebsoft-:-com] "****" ]
>> send [tim-:-akwebsoft-:-com] "testing"
Net-log: ["Opening" "tcp" "for" "esmtp"]
connecting to: mail.akwebsoft.com
Net-log: [none "220"]

Net-log: {220-host266.hostmonster.com ESMTP Exim 4.76 #1 Sun, 09 
Oct 2011 12:00:11 -0600 }

Net-log: {220-We do not authorize the use of this system to transport 
unsolicited, }
Net-log: "220 and/or bulk e-mail."
Net-log: [["EHLO" system/network/host] "250"]

Net-log: {250-host266.hostmonster.com Hello Graham-PC [203.97.98.9]}
Net-log: "250-SIZE 52428800"
Net-log: "250-PIPELINING"
Net-log: "250-AUTH PLAIN LOGIN"
Net-log: "250-STARTTLS"
Net-log: "250 HELP"
Net-log: ["Supported auth methods:" [plain login]]
Net-log: ["WARNING! Using AUTH LOGIN."]
Net-log: [
    "AUTH LOGIN" "334"
]
Net-log: "334 VXNlcm5hbWU6"
Net-log: ["dGltQGFrd2Vic29mdC5jb20=" "334"]
Net-log: "334 UGFzc3dvcmQ6"
Net-log: ["KioqKg==" "235"]

** User Error: Server error: tcp 535 Incorrect authentication data
** Near: smtp-port: open [scheme: 'esmtp]
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>> send [tim-:-akwebsoft-:-com] "testing rebol"                        
                                              
Net-log: ["Opening" "tcp" "for" "esmtp"]
connecting to: mail.akwebsoft.com
Net-log: [none "220"]

Net-log: {220-host266.hostmonster.com ESMTP Exim 4.76 #1 Sun, 09 
Oct 2011 12:12:54 -0600 }

Net-log: {220-We do not authorize the use of this system to transport 
unsolicited, }
Net-log: "220 and/or bulk e-mail."
Net-log: [["EHLO" system/network/host] "250"]
Net-log: {250-host266.hostmonster.com Hello bart [64.4.232.191]}
Net-log: "250-SIZE 52428800"
Net-log: "250-PIPELINING"
Net-log: "250-AUTH PLAIN LOGIN"
Net-log: "250-STARTTLS"
Net-log: "250 HELP"
Net-log: ["Supported auth methods:" [plain login]]
Net-log: ["WARNING! Using AUTH LOGIN."]
Net-log: [
    "AUTH LOGIN" "334"
]
Net-log: "334 VXNlcm5hbWU6"
Net-log: ["dGltQGFrd2Vic29mdC5jb20=" "334"]
Net-log: "334 UGFzc3dvcmQ6"
Net-log: ["dEhqMTk0OSc=" "235"]

** User Error: Server error: tcp 535 Incorrect authentication data
** Near: smtp-port: open [scheme: 'esmtp] 
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Just got the message back, yours too. So, I owe you a beer. Come 
on by and collect.

Is there anybody using web fonts? I wonder what is the best way how 
to start. I know there is TypeKit, Google web fonts, http://kernest.com/
and maybe other. What I can say, Google must improve it as it's not 
working well enough.

As usually, problem is with IE compatibility. And in my case also 
need for extended chars. The best would be a tool where one could 
create or modify own fonts. http://openfontlibrary.org/fonts

I think you can just do that using post with a Content-type: multipart/form-data 
and send the boundary, and post size

you should have seen me :) and you should hear the keystrokes ;)

Quality is 2/10 and I have no sound

I'm on the dl page of apple quicktime and it just have v6.5

anyone can suggest a good codec that works across different versions 
of QT and VLC?

and a vlc permanently disconnecting and the upper queter workjs, 
rest green

and, do we have a mac that is fast enough?

this one is h.264, requires QT7 and not sure if works with any version 
of VLC

keep in mind that i will still record everything on tape and encode 
that later (maybe mpeg4, 2-pass encoding)

Last VLC is unable to show me video : the window blinks and resizes 
continuasly.

image is very fuzzy and takes long to redraw

do you use Qtbrodcast and StreamingServer ?

Ok QT7 working. Video is slow and hangs all the time.

Yes, but no more graphic of packet loss and bitrate.

also - i usually need to quit completely QT and then start it again 
for it to work properly.

WHat is with vlc and 264? I know nothing about codecs, just googled 
a bit and found this: http://developers.videolan.org/x264.html

after trying to restart its death now. before it was first mesay, 
then i pressed stop and start and it was clear.

in theory vlc can. i never made it to work though. and i tried quite 
hard. :)

me too, but only for mpeg transport, and from a dvd source.

Riechart monitored altme and forwarded questions at the first devcon

Well, I saw "live stream", and that demo can be hard to find, so 
I took a wild guess  ^_-

Also change the audio setting to mono-aural, and start low in terms 
of the stream window size 240x320. TCP is better, and key-frames 
every 15 frames.

I will have Skype and Altme running for people to interact. I will 
have a live video stream, but the priority is for good recordings.

Sound stop, and the image too.

i tried both tcp and udp

no, i didn't upgrade it. protocol should not change that much, should 
it? but i'll try updating it too. i'm downloading the mac version 
now and i'll try it on the mini.

So you sitting and typing

But Pro mics are required both for the tapping and the streaming.

Working well. And the bigger size allows one to see more details.

looks good today, a couple of dropouts through, but it picks up quickly 
again both with audio and video

so if both you and jaime are watching... it's unlikely you will see 
it ok :)

For me it brings up the QuickTime logo and play box, and then just 
cycles.  But no errors.

Perhaps mention on this page exactly when the live boradcast is expected, 
and tell people to bookmark this page.

yep - page is not linked anywhere yet and is just for testing purposes. 
i guess we'll have a lot to add when we go "public". (also, i'd make 
it public just when the stream starts. so that there is no confusion. 
earlier, just a message on the site that says "on sept. 30 a live 
stream will be available through this site")

ok, as i assumed, the setting on the broadcaster about using TCP 
or UDP are only relevant for the connection between the broadcaster 
and the server

on windows with firefox and QT 7, qt gets the stream from a TCP connection 
to motoko.rebol.it:554

I just booked my flight to Milan. Here is my arrival data:
29-09-2005 18:25 in  Milan, Malpensa [MXP] TERMINAL 1


I have rented a car as well. So if someone is arriving around the 
same time let me know and we can drive together.

I'm going to buy the train tickets in advance (because we need a 
reservation and it's better to do that sooner than later). You can 
pay me when we meet in Rome.

@Gabriele: Is there already known where the hotel in Treviglio will 
be? I'll have vacation before the conference at the Garda lake and 
I don't know how my internet access will be, to get to know easily 
any information new on the conference website.

So, in general how good is Europe about open WiFI?


In America, I think Starbucks offers free internet access (wireless), 
or perhaps you need to keep buying coffee...I don't drink coffe so 
I have never confirmed this.

In general I find that if I drive by any office compkexe I can get 
an open signal though. Even in Maui, I went to the industrial area, 
and there was a perfect connection while I ate at a little food place 
in an odd industrial park.

I don't know about Europe in general, but in italy WiFi access is 
quite rare. you can find it at large airports and so on... but not 
much more than that i'm afraid.

i think i'll send all of you a reminder email with the tickets you 
requested, total money due and so on.

DevCon 2005 website is the nicest rebol related website so far. Kudoz 
to Chris and whoever else collaborated on that ....

Steve will not be able to join us and his speech will be replaced 
by a presentation of Canvas RPaint by Geomol.

thw windows version of QT requests application/x-rtsp-tunnelled, 
and gets the stream via TCP, but the Mac version does not do so, 
and does not get the stream via TCP.

don't think so, it's the same both for windows and mac. :)

try rtsp://217.133.2.35/teststream.sdp - though not sure i have enough 
bw for both relay and a connection

DideC: his marriage? Congratulation then! :-) Tell him we miss him 
... and his R# :-)

I betcha he means wedding and not marriage!

also, i'd like everyone (except those that will be in rome, since 
we're arriving together) to tell me when and where they arrive, and 
if they already have a plan to reach the hotel or treviglio. this 
way i can make sure everyone knows where to go, and noone gets lost.

Traveling is hard on me.  I'm tall so seats are uncomfortable.  Plus 
we were in the middle of the plane, both to Germany and Greece. 18 
hours…


Being back in Germany is always a little hard on me as well (has 
to do with my childhood, lots of flashbacks).


The airport has these annoying "stations" just out in the hallway 
for people to smoke.  It is a disgusting smell. I truly don't care 
that people smoke, I just hate smelling it or getting it on me.


Taxis in Greece was worse than taxis in Boston.  I think our driver 
thought he was riding a motorcycle.  I just closed my eyes and picked 
a Greek god to pray to.  I chose ana…anna…what is her last name, 
or yeah, Anorexia.

I just looked into Schedule for DevCon, and it seems Carl has already 
his topic for his talk ready - "Accelerating REBOL Improvements". 
I can't wait :-)

G, I don't consider these problems really. And I don't consider travel 
to be vacation.  Traveling is about...well...traveling.  I enjoy 
it, but to relax I prefer to be home.  My house is like a Bahamian 
resort,  people ask to stay at my house when I'm gone because it 
is like a nice hotel.

anyone willing to create one or more themes for use with show.r that 
we could use for the devcon? i'd like to have a consistent theme 
(maybe inspired by the web site?) for all presentations (of course 
with variations, maybe in color or something like that, so each author 
can choose the preferred variation), and i also need a nice skin 
for a little reblet that will be included in show.r (i made one, 
but i'm no good at these things...)

pardon the lousy GUI and a few errors in it, but it's usable for 
this

bugs fixed and a couple of added features. enjoy!

more bugs fixed and a few more features added :-)

That is Orio airport, nicely close to Treviglio and cheap flights 
from the Netherlands

Sorry to break the perfect binary power ;-)
And 33 isn't even a prime!!! What are you doing, Kaj? ;-)

Kaj, you're on the same flight as Ernie and Hein, i think.

yeksoon: yes there will, i plan to have it "public" as soon as the 
conference start. i will continue doing tests in the next few days. 
i also found a P2P video streaming solution (SopCast), but it is 
only available on windows and i haven't had any chance to test it 
with my camera yet.

for the streaming part, it will be good if we decide on the format 
to use and have it 'announced' on the site.


that way, we don't have to scrable to get the clients or decoder 
etc on the actual day

I'm excited and look forward to the broadcast. Has anyone translated 
the time schedule to the different time zones?

Kaj, it does on my system. Of course the container format needs to 
be handled by a splitter from a different source, but that may not 
affect VLC and such.

I was talking about the MP4 container format. We were talking about 
portable formats, right? H.264 in Quicktime requires version 7, which 
is still a little shaky on Windows, and absent on Linux. MP4 doesn't 
require Quicktime, even if the standard file format is still a derivative 
of an older version of the Quicktime file format.

about recorded files, they will be standard MP4 files with MPEG4 
video and AAC audio. should be playable anywere.

I get timeouts trying to access the site ... and have over the last 
week I've tried to access it. Any chance of a mirror?

is there one (cannot feed more than one from here) brave soul connected 
from europe and with VLC or QT?

Sorry. I need to go. Have an appointment in 20min and I am 40min 
away.

restarted it and now it works again

QT gave me 1/2 second of sound and a couple of frames of video

(and it cost 6 lines of code...)

it is possible, that you can't receive UDP packets. it's hard to 
make rtsp work without UDP. in theory... transport should be negotiated... 
but it seems to me that players don't do a good job at it, and DSS 
doesn't seem to be smart in this case either.

hmm, curious if you guys will make it to work, as key-speach by Carl 
is friday am, so I will have to take vacation to stay at home to 
watch it :-) (as when at work, we are behind the firewall and I don't 
expect it to work, if it does not support proxy and default 80 port 
....)

Henrik: you may want to play with it. i just plugged your BG and 
timer in. some adjustments may be needed.

we'll be on altme too, and i'll have skype on, and hopefully the 
video stream works... other than that, yes, editing and encoding 
takes a lot of time.

i'll be back home on tuesday 4th, and will start editing and encoding 
the keynote immediately. hopefully, it will be ready by 5th...

(I think that Carl and Cindy are likely to be in Rome already. :)

website for devcon (and mirror at dobeash) seems to be down!

http://breeze62116255.emea.breezecentral.com/devcon2005/a first 
try on my first two slides. I will schedule a public meeting at 2pm 
on Thursday (speaking time), where I will start the presentation 
and up to 5 users can join. It might be handy to open a free 15-day 
Breeze trial account on Macromedia if you want to add voice (e.g. 
audio conference)

not trying to read too much into signs awailable - but Heather Arrington 
of Vital Needs is removed from the conference schedule and all REBOL 
related info from their website vanished, while just few months ago 
they praised REBOL as an enabling technology in various documents 
on their website ... strange ...

Up to 5 users can join me now to test the Breeze meeting room on 
http://breeze62116255.emea.breezecentral.com/meetingdevcon2005

SIgn in as guest and pick a nickname

LAST YEAR, SURFNET HAD RELAY THE STREAM, AND THIS YEAR ?

what do you mean ? don't they have webcams and broadband in itally 
?

haa.... we people in sub development countrys would like a bit of 
the real wourld shine some cheap and creapy videostream would do 
....

except for sound and camera, this could be done easily in REBOL

But that's the point, we need sound and camera, and better platform 
integration

Breeze, to much noise to few nutts, again the tool looks graphicaly 
impressive, how much is this customisable and the costs of the service 
leave out too many cuestions to me. im thinkig macromedia products 
are not what they where a couple of years ago, now its more like 
a bloat.

I like the Webservices smart client world best and if Rebol can make 
a multiple platform impact here, we have our killer application/framework.

a reminder for those flying over for DevCon.


Please do not tell the immigration officer or customs officer that 
you are here
- for 'rebel' conference
- to change the world
- for 'X' Internet
- and other terms that even geeks may have problems understanding

:)

Brock, as a company that is working very hard to make everything 
compatible between all the browser I can tell you that what it comes 
down to is that there are rules, but each browser company (or group) 
interprets the rules slightly differently.


The simplest example of goes wrong the most are the "assumptions." 
 EI for example will except <center> to mean center the page, and 
center pretty much everything until you turn </center> off.  


But Firefox follows the letter of the rules, and expects each object, 
like a table, to have its own <center> tags.


This is a simple visual example, it gets worse when JavaScript enters 
the picture.  Safari for example DEMANDS everything ending in a ";" 
or it simply ignores stuff.

They are almost always easy fixes, but time consuming.


Maarten, shame that Breeze will not work.  I looked at Breeze and 
voted not to use it to do a Rebol lesson.  Looked great on their 
page, but I read a lot of similar comments elsewhere on the web that 
it simply failed for too many people.  I was hoping that someone 
smart in this group would know what we could use both to solve our 
DevCon needs and the Rebol Newbie Lesson needs.


We need a way to broad cast at least one video signal, and allow 
moderated chat in the same environment for people all over the world. 
 This should be easier.  I have an Idea that might work, but will 
require some research.  I might just do this in Qtask.  Then anyone 
can log in from anywhere, talk in a group, have sub topics.  All 
we have to add is video streaming (which is actually pretty easy 
for us).  The trick is setup up the incoming real time stream, which 
I was not planning to do for a while.

Reichart: I was testing to see if this could work; I am sad that 
it doesn't work for many people. The conecpt and interface design 
is good though, and it would have been a great way to make a subset 
of the conference virtually accessible for the rest.

What we really want is a cross-over between Skype (with vskype) and 
AltMe

Reichart:  Yes, I am aware of the company specific differences in 
interpretting or implementing the rules.  Thus my point.  If you 
can create a stand-alone application that is cross-platform and uses 
the internet for content and application updates in a transparent 
fashion, you have removed the middle-man and can eliminate the problems 
of the browser from the equation.