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Doc, a minor nitpicking: it is a vocative and thus the correct spelling 
should be

Dobr^(FD) den sv^(011B)te

It works for me on OSX and Windows 7

sent new file to Doc. Doc - btw - the last sentence (which prints 
correctly), means something like "Way too much yellow horse groaned 
devilish odes" :-) That sentece is known in our language to test 
all possible special chars in Czech language and still have some 
meaning ...

Curious, if you are able to reproduce it. And also - third char in 
Greek HelloWorld is still not resolved ...

I never investigated it, it was just suggested to me, and the sentence 
sounds pretty weird, so I remembered it :-)

Tested "Hallå Världen!" on Win 7 (UTF-8) and it works. Saving the 
file as Notepads  "Unicode" doesn't work, but I understand "Unicode" 
isn't supposed to be UTF.

Not yet ... deleting all the repository. I deleted hello.red, and 
no way I can get tortoisegit to get it sync - it just keeps telling 
me I am uptodate

as you can see in my output, Chinese is not there, and third greek 
char is not there too ... but when copying from the console and pasting 
into Notepad, it shows the chars ...

No, there were bugs and that last one is a font issue.

Downloaded Console2, which allows to have tabs, and allows me to 
change fonts, so I just choosed Consolas and the output is correct 
...

OK, so now I am back after the reboot, so my default Vista console 
uses nice Consolas font, and it now displays everything (apart from 
Chinese) correctly ...

Red currently maps only to Unicode C printing functions. We could 
tweak the code to detect (for Unix platforms) the locale and fall 
back to Latin1 if required.

Next: char! and all series actions already present in block! implemented 
for string!

Now Red can output texts it can produce strings with html code? And 
so theoretically is up to CGI processing maybe with a little help 
from REBOL. Or is that too early?

Can red access stdin and stdout ?

Without proper internal sandboxing, you certainly wouldn't want to 
give open access to anyone for running Red (and even worse Red/System) 
code on your server.

On TryREBOL it's no problem. I've been giving the world a gaping 
hole into our server for three years now. It was a test, and people 
tried to break it, but they never got in

Doc, with recent discussions about Unicode, I wonder if we will have 
strong binary type, and myriads of to-* REBOL-like functions for 
various conversions between the types?

Hello, I want to use a local database whith no concurency for aor 
the moment I see ndb indexed btree from Dockimbel, another alternative 
is possible and what ca be used  with the future red ?

OK, and also dispo in android I think and bbrerry os...

well, as for BB 10 - we should get there imo - QNX based, old Amiga 
friends :-) And maybe it is good to support lower market, than crowded 
iOS developer's base? We will see ...

Agreed. And it will be easier to keep an API clone updated for future 
SQLite changes, so we can get the benefits of future improvements 
to the storage engines.

SQLite already went through the trouble of extracing and abstracting 
their storage engines, so it's best to reuse their work :)

big change in their paradigm. And the one, which fits imo REBOL. 
IIRC Carl always wanted some stronger storage option to load/save 
blocks. IIRC Rebin was needed? He once was considering adding SQLite, 
but found it too big. IMO it would be good if we used SQLite for 
Red, to standardise. I doubt we can find more efficient, powerfull, 
and cross-platform tool with the right licence? Of course more efficient 
solution might be done by pure Red facitilities, but unless we need 
really extra efficient solution, why to reinvent the wheel?

The big advantage of SQLite over other similar engines is that it's 
bundled already in the main mobile platforms (Android and iOS).

Kaj - last I checked it was long time ago. It did not use SQL syntax, 
and was not even free IIRC. But I don't follow mySQL for many years 
now ...

It was always a GPL SQL database, but people complained it didn't 
support as much as, say, Oracle and PostgreSQL

Hi guys - I am trying out Red/System and all seems very good until 
I try out Kaj's fibonacci and mandelbrot functions. I downloaded 
the c-library -sorted the paths and locations and tested the library 
on simple things and all compiles well. When I try to compile fib 
and mandel I get the following compilation error:

Most probably the binding was not tested for quite some time, and 
Red + Red/System evolves, so there might be some regression there. 
Better wait for experts, though ...

Doc, I think the work you are doing is superb and Red is a very exciting 
project - thankyou!

I test the bindings and examples regularly, so they should work. 
I'll check, but which version of Red/System are you using?

Both the Fibonacci and Mandelbrot examples work with the current 
dyn-lib-emitter branch of Red/System, and I tested them for the 0.2.6 
and 0.2.5 releases, so they should work there, too

Ok - I downloaded the examples by copy and paste from the examples 
in the Files section of the C Library Binding for Red - is this the 
correct way to access the examples as well as the c-library or is 
there another way?

It's much easier to download a repository as a Zip package or tarball. 
Go to a particular version or check-in and use the download links 
there

Ok - I am confused - are we talking about getting Red/System now, 
or your c-library bindings and examples? I downloaded Red/System 
from Github, the zipped version using the supplied button. Then when 
I had all that working I went to the Red blog site - contributions 
- c library binding - and downloaded your c-library etc from there 
using copy and paste

I will have a look into using Fossil and try again - it may be that 
the examples I have obtained are out of sync with the examples obtained 
through fossil - once I have figured it out I will try again and 
let you know my results -thanks for your help

Most likely, you have put files in different places then they're 
supposed to be, and the paths are now wrong

Possibly, but I did go through all the #includes and made sure the 
c-library and common.reds was accessible and working, but like I 
said, I will try using Fossil and see what happens that way

I'm repeating myself, but it looks I'm not alone who find it confusing 
to work with 2 repos. As we are really working with just a few kB, 
it would be really better to have it in one place = GitHub and not 
to merge libs with Fosill. But anyway, I appricaiate your contributions 
Kaj, so use whatever you like.

The situation at the moment certainly can be confusing, but the solution 
lies not in moving everything to a central repository.


The real solution is to improve Red(/System)'s mechanisms for locating 
and including other scripts ("libraries"). A simple "search path" 
would already go a long way, and will probably be added soon.

Kaj, downloaded the Zip file from Fossil and re-ran (after sorting 
paths to files) and get the same problem as already posted. The problem 
is not file locations as that results in a different compiler error 
which is easily sorted. It seems to me in the problem I have posted, 
the compiler thinks there is already an alias called str-array! - 
however I have searched every reds file and there is no other with 
that name! Anyway, it is not urgent but I just wanted to feed back 
my findings to you.

Git is bloated, to the point that in the past we haven't been able 
to port it to Syllable. Maybe the core would be portable now, but 
we don't want it, because it's huge and complex and confusing to 
users. Fossil is much simpler

ok - I will download v0.3.0 and try it on that too

Under windows there is no common folder where the common.reds file 
resides - on windows common.reds resides in the runtime folder, so 
the #include file in the c-library.reds file needs to point to where 
that file resides. Likewise on fib and mand - they point to the c-library 
which I put into the library folder  that exists in the Red/System 
folder on the windows version.

Ah, see, you're mixing up files. The common.reds file in Red has 
nothing to do with my bindings. It also has nothing to do with Windows. 
You should leave that alone and put my bindings in the subdirectories 
I mentioned in a parent directory of your choice

It's better not to put the bindings in Red's directories at all. 
They are isolated from each other and should be handled that way

Ah! Sorry Kaj - I missed that vital bit of info - I will go and find 
it  now

Sounds like DLL hell - and I thought that was only a windows registry 
problem - grins!!!

What is really exciting is the concept of creating an OS which is 
completely red/red/system - the control, power and speed of that 
woulod be phenomenal

Red/System v2 will be faster, it will benefit from a lot of optimization 
stages that do not exist in the current version. I expect a raw speed 
improvement of between x2 and x4. Maybe more if we can use some SIMD 
to speed up some processing (but that will probably require new datatypes, 
and/or new looping functions).

Well, one day, Carl sees the light at the end of the tunnel, and 
joins Red ;-)

I hope that a lot more Rebol coders get on-board with Red to help 
Doc and speed development - Red is the future I think, not interpreted 
Rebol, as brilliant as that has been in the past.

SD card: a slow and not too big one :)

http://uk.farnell.com/raspberry-pi-accessories#operatingsystem
has some more SD cards and accessories - as described in my new book 
: The Raspberry Pi - a quick start guide - by Maik Schmidt pubished 
by pragmatic programmers

Implemented IF and EITHER, I just wanted to share their implementation 
with you (extract from Red compiler source)::

	comp-if: does [
		comp-expression		
		emit compose [	
			if (logic-true?)
		]
		comp-sub-block
	]
	
	comp-either: does [
		comp-expression		
		emit compose [	
			either (logic-true?)
		]
		comp-sub-block
		comp-sub-block
	]

Shouldn't be more complex than that, no? ;-)

I should go read some manga and relax

Good point and I totally agree with that. That's basically the plan 
for Red/System v2. But, as you say, it can become quickly very costly, 
so it needs to be done carefully (needs time) and *sparingly*.

I could have gone by the (Dragon) book and done it in classic way, 
but that would have been a shame IMHO, to not try new approaches 
with a language like REBOL.

Hi Jerry, maybe a combined edition in Chinese and English would help 
more Chinese rebolers to join in the Rebol community. (Make them 
more comfortable using english.)

Every pages is carefully drawed and layouted. To make the English 
Edition of it, I have to re-layout every page. Since English Sentence 
is shorter than it's Chinese one in most of the cases, I will need 
to re-layout everypage. the aspect should be change from 4:3 to 16:9 
or 16:10. This will take some time for me to prepare.

Carl got my book last Friday, maybe that's why he decided to think 
about the future of REBOL and wrote that blog article. I hope our 
opening the R3 book and trying to gain more new users will make him 
make the second move, opening R3.

I am kind of shy and not talkative. But recently I've talked a lot 
here, because I really don't want to see the death of REBOL.

I am not native English speaking but I can help out a little for 
a first rough read-through and correction round.

and limited how?

All we got, a day ago, is a blog article saying that Carl doesn't 
know what to do, and we should tell him

I've looked around again and there doesn't seem to be any sign of 
any new release of any kind from Carl.

James_nak, Arnold, MaxV, Gregg, ddharing, PeterWood, and Nick, Thanks 
for willing to help me.

He was invited to this world a few months ago, and I made a booboo 
in overlooking his requests in the old REBOL3 world. I've invited 
him again.

He asked people to keep it short and to the point ...

Have bought a few things on the Apple appstore .. and wonder if Carl 
would find it worthwhile to write articles for sale .. 99c etc ?

I bought computer magazines for more money and less interesting subjects, 
but webwise I prefer free content.

Marked 37 comments as spam, doubt if it helps. Regarding the minor 
number of comments this is simple neglect.

It looks like area-tc was Shadwolf's, and he doesn't have an account 
on this world.

Ok, but it's free and github has syntax color for Rebol

In the r3-odbc project Github is not recognizing odbc.r as being 
a REBOL file. It is recognizing it as a language that uses ' for 
strings, probably the R language since Github already had R support 
and R uses the .r extension.

And my files are rocognized as REBOL as well with .r extension.

What is the difference between R and Rebol?

R is language for statisticians by statisticians (for good and bad)

It's a little vierd as a language, but is very good for particular 
task due to special datatypes and very powerfull libraries.

Yeah I do, I didn't sleep much these last days and it doesn't seem 
to be changing any time soon. ;-)

And it tells you how desperate I am for an answer from him. :-)

No, I am james and I didn't read kaj's question enough but I have 
an excuse... I am in the middle of a rebol application that is not 
going so smoothly. :-)

Well, more I read it, more it becomes obvious.

Last week, a few heffalumps burst into my basement and turned over 
the last barrel of 1999 Châtemateloo

Using a microwave oven, amateur radio, and 4 lines of code in REBOL 
I was able to construct a modem and here I am.
 
Pretty funny

Well, now on to creating a new "save-the-world-open-source-license". 
Why is it so hard to just pick one like MIT and release the code. 
Every day we loose, we can't get back. I expect this licensing thing 
to take at least 12 months. It's just waste of time.

And even if it's a troll, Carl should just pick MIT :-)

ok, i think it was Lawrence Rosen and the license was the Open Software 
License.

I'm more concerned about the license. His last attempt at an open 
source R3 license wasn't - it had usage restrictions that violated 
the definition. That's why all of my mezzanine work was MIT licensed, 
even the stuff that Carl included in R2 and R3.

Thanks to the fake Carl .. please stand up and take a bow :)

That's the real Carl - only the real Carl can remove comments, and 
comments were removed.

And with thanks to Nick for instigating, supporting and helping test!

Thanks Chris and Nick. I'll be using that code!

Kaj: how do Fibonaci.ruby and Fibonaci.r compare in speed on your 
demo machine?

Ah, found a verbose: 1 left in natives.reds thanks to your presentation...and 
the code is missing a macro....funny way to debug/improve my own 
code. ;-)

BTW, wrt to ARM big size binaries, it's also caused by ARM using 
32-bit words for every instruction, while IA-32 has still a lot of 
8 or 16-bit ones. For example, there's a lot of PUSH 0 instructions 
emitted for the datatype registration block (the unimplemented action 
pointers), that's 16bit on IA-32 and 32-bit on ARM.

However, ARM has also a lot of nice features and advantages over 
Intel CPUs.

So back then, the Red/System binary took 15x the time of the C binary 
to run to completion. And yes, that was before the float optimisations 
:)

Yes I have it but not sure it is fast enough and with all the graphics 
drivers need, so it works but not as it should.

well, all I can say is that Ubuntu 12.04 running as guest is very 
smooth, graphically speaking, with 9, and it wasn't like that before

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