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The only statistic I have to gauge things by is hits on my Web site. 
The Rebol pages are getting more unique visitors than my Ruby pages 
right now.

Pekr,

I think you might find the following interesting

Object Role Modeling (ORM)
http://www.orm.net/index.html
http://www.objectrolemodeling.com/

Responsibility-Driven Design
http://www.wirfs-brock.com/pages/home.html

Responsibility-based Modeling

http://alistair.cockburn.us/crystal/articles/rbm/responsibilitybasedmodeling.html

you could also make the window smaller for this group. Page scrolling 
scrolls about two pages if the size of the list is about 2-300 pixels.

Ok, I have always set my mouse to the fastes movement possible on 
the system. I don't use a scroll-wheel, I just click the arrows to 
either go line-by-line or posting-by-posting (which I would prefer). 
But, as Chris stated, clicking ones, pages more than one page up/down, 
so I'm missing postings. Workaround: Dragging the slider, which is 
a mess with this mouse speed and the number of messages (IIRC 1500) 
I display.

that's because of different code-pages on Mac/Win

execve("../rebol2558042", ["../rebol2558042"], [/* 18 vars */]) = 
0
uname({sys="Linux", node="dino.local", ...}) = 0
brk(0)                                  = 0x809b000

old_mmap(NULL, 4096, PROT_READ|PROT_WRITE, MAP_PRIVATE|MAP_ANONYMOUS, 
-1, 0) = 0x40017000

access("/etc/ld.so.nohwcap", F_OK)      = -1 ENOENT (No such file 
or directory)

open("/etc/ld.so.preload", O_RDONLY)    = -1 ENOENT (No such file 
or directory)
open("/etc/ld.so.cache", O_RDONLY)      = 7
fstat64(7, {st_mode=S_IFREG|0644, st_size=51977, ...}) = 0
old_mmap(NULL, 51977, PROT_READ, MAP_PRIVATE, 7, 0) = 0x40018000
close(7)                                = 0

access("/etc/ld.so.nohwcap", F_OK)      = -1 ENOENT (No such file 
or directory)
open("/lib/tls/libm.so.6", O_RDONLY)    = 7

read(7, "\177ELF\1\1\1\0\0\0\0\0\0\0\0\0\3\0\3\0\1\0\0\0\2405\0"..., 
512) = 512
fstat64(7, {st_mode=S_IFREG|0644, st_size=141236, ...}) = 0

old_mmap(NULL, 139712, PROT_READ|PROT_EXEC, MAP_PRIVATE, 7, 0) = 
0x40025000

old_mmap(0x40047000, 4096, PROT_READ|PROT_WRITE, MAP_PRIVATE|MAP_FIXED, 
7, 0x22000) = 0x40047000
close(7)                                = 0

access("/etc/ld.so.nohwcap", F_OK)      = -1 ENOENT (No such file 
or directory)
open("/lib/tls/libc.so.6", O_RDONLY)    = 7

read(7, "\177ELF\1\1\1\0\0\0\0\0\0\0\0\0\3\0\3\0\1\0\0\0\200X\1"..., 
512) = 512
fstat64(7, {st_mode=S_IFREG|0644, st_size=1270908, ...}) = 0

old_mmap(NULL, 1281292, PROT_READ|PROT_EXEC, MAP_PRIVATE, 7, 0) = 
0x40048000

old_mmap(0x40176000, 36864, PROT_READ|PROT_WRITE, MAP_PRIVATE|MAP_FIXED, 
7, 0x12d000) = 0x40176000

old_mmap(0x4017f000, 7436, PROT_READ|PROT_WRITE, MAP_PRIVATE|MAP_FIXED|MAP_ANONYMOUS, 
-1, 0) = 0x4017f000
close(7)                                = 0

old_mmap(NULL, 4096, PROT_READ|PROT_WRITE, MAP_PRIVATE|MAP_ANONYMOUS, 
-1, 0) = 0x40181000

set_thread_area({entry_number:-1 -> 6, base_addr:0x401812a0, limit:1048575, 
seg_32bit:1, contents:0, read_exec_only:0, limit_in_pages:1, seg_not_present:0, 
useable:1}) = 0
munmap(0x40018000, 51977)               = 0

rt_sigaction(SIGCONT, {0x804b6c4, [CONT], SA_RESTART}, {SIG_DFL}, 
8) = 0

rt_sigaction(SIGTSTP, {0x804b67c, [TSTP], SA_RESTART}, {SIG_DFL}, 
8) = 0

rt_sigaction(SIGINT, {0x804b700, [INT], SA_RESTART}, {SIG_DFL}, 8) 
= 0

rt_sigaction(SIGTERM, {0x804b700, [TERM], SA_RESTART}, {SIG_DFL}, 
8) = 0

rt_sigaction(SIGHUP, {0x804b700, [HUP], SA_RESTART}, {SIG_DFL}, 8) 
= 0

rt_sigaction(SIGCHLD, {0x804b718, [CHLD], SA_RESTART}, {SIG_DFL}, 
8) = 0
socketpair(PF_UNIX, SOCK_DGRAM, 0, [7, 8]) = 0

clone(child_stack=0, flags=CLONE_CHILD_CLEARTID|CLONE_CHILD_SETTID|SIGCHLD, 
child_tidptr=0x401812e8) = 21686
close(8)                                = 0
brk(0)                                  = 0x809b000
brk(0x80be000)                          = 0x80be000
brk(0)                                  = 0x80be000
brk(0)                                  = 0x80be000
brk(0x80eb000)                          = 0x80eb000
brk(0)                                  = 0x80eb000
brk(0x810c000)                          = 0x810c000
ioctl(0, TCGETS, {B38400 opost isig icanon echo ...}) = 0
ioctl(0, TCSETSW, {B38400 opost isig -icanon -echo ...}) = 0

open("/etc/termcap", O_RDONLY)          = -1 ENOENT (No such file 
or directory)
write(1, "R", 1)                        = 1

24 pages of problems ??

Sunanda, Can it be a manually maintained xml file until it can be 
automated?  I am doing that for my internal blog until I add the 
automation code to blog. r (that I expect Carl already has on his 
version).  I have a trigger for when a blog article is added to use 
"editor ftp://...../rss.xml"to make whatever additions that I want 
to expose via RSS.  It's suboptimal but I don't have any complaints 
from the people that they have to visit the pages to see What's New. 
 And since they weren't visiting regularly to poll for What's New 
anyway, if the RSS feed it updated a few hours later it is still 
an improvement.

Regarding Carl's blog about hiding rebol scripts in web pages, I've 
always wanted a way to directly execute a rebol script from the library 
from my rebol console.  I used this trick of embedding a rebol script 
between [ .. ] in my offline mail reader, and wonder if it can be 
used in the library as well.

The first stage of having community links at REBOL.org would be meaningful 
content in personal pages.

We could the time them together or pull out highlights to make some 
overview pages.


If someone wants their website (etc linked to from REBOL.org), the 
first move is up to them.

Thanks Oldes.

Part of the problem is that all pages served from REBOL.org are served 
as
   charset=utf-8
even if a specific needs a different charset.
We need to make that more flexible :-)

Hello everyone,

I have an EditME me that I'm using to manage a project this summer. 
I would like to use Rebol to logon to my wiki, edit some pages and 
attach files to pages.

Are their any code exemples that I could use to understand how to 
go about this. I need to be able to fill in forms and send them in 
to my wiki. 
many thanks

after those, the RBBS project does some dynamic pages generated from 
databases and key values http://www.rebol.com/docs/cgi-bbs.html
  HOWEVER, when delving into anything CGI (not wiki link, so maybe 
not what you want) it takes some heavy head-scratching

(I used what you mentioned in the DevCon web pages, BTW)

and all of my pages are already in textile format, and I think a 
few of my friends would be more interested in Rebol if I had a textile 
parser for them

Kru, is your phone listed on the syllable pages ?

at least here in CZ, or maybe it is more of an EU nature, simply 
managers want references or case studies. Last slides of most product 
presentations is - who else does use it? Pages full of logos. It 
is even usual, that during the contract phase, parties agree to even 
accept some reference business trips from other parties. It works, 
managers feel safe, that they are not alone using the solution ... 
well, marketing ...

And the code is so horrible and disoranized, that what should be 
done in 2 pages spans 5 modules of source code!

I have put my index.rhtml at the same directory of the others html 
pages i.e. /var/www

I can run Magic! under Apache 1.5 on my machine; I don't have Apache 
2 installed.


I have magic.cgi installed in the cgi-bin directory (equivalent of 
your cgi-script) and access the .rhtml pages from another directory. 
This is my setup:

In the httpd.conf file:

AddHandler magic .rhtml          
    Action magic /cgi-bin/magic.cgi

in the URL/cgi-bin folder 
 magci.cgi

in the URL/magic folder
 test.rhtml

page accessed via http://URL/Magic/test.rhtml

Hope this helps

Ashley documents the bug on his Rebgui pages.

but strange that the normal pages worked.

I'll have a look at the index pages.

Good to know !!

Looking at some log on a server I have to administrate, Im affraid 
to see many request trying to find  some /ebay, /lassalebank, /admin, 
/phpmyadmin pages on the site.
Internet looks more and more like a jungle.

Then, no I think of putting "robots.txt" file, I just think that 
some hackers can use it to exactly do the opposite of what it's suppose 
to do. They probably have make som bots that  just pick all pages 
marks as 'dissalow in it. If you don't know the name of the pages, 
it's a good place to find some !!

system/options/cgi/remote-addr is not registered, apparently, so 
I can't edit pages.

Does anyone have a nice "easy to use" sessions code like php so I 
can "secure" pages like the rebol blogger editing?

is it possible to extract/change a cookie from the site a plugin 
is working in?


  I have embedded an app within an IIS served web site.  I must make 
  the reblet interact with the site's cookie, so it follows the rest 
  of the site's status when relaunched (browsing to/from the app from 
  other pages restarts the rebol app).

Maarten, I agree with your observation and you can even scale it 
more.


If you see a web-server as just a request dispatcher to CGIs and 
a fast-answering-machine for user-feedback (pages, forms etc.) you 
just need a small and "simple" one like Cheyenne. The CGIs can be 
distributed to different cores (through the OS) or even to different 
machines (via TCP/IP).

We have a template based dynamic site here at work,  we use a base 
page to define the common logic, we use CSS "templates" to define 
the areas of different pages... the above code is Template 3 area 
3, which is the body area for a page that has a header, left navigation, 
body, and footer area.

Yesterday I talked to one web designer, let's say he is not too much 
experienced - he is good in graphics, but not so good at understanding 
all webdesign/browser related tricks. However - he told what I am 
thinking for some time already and Chris will not eventually agree 
- css is fine, but why do all .css based pages look the same?

Petr -- there is no design in non-CSS HTML that you can't achieve 
with CSS -- even if you need to use barebones tables occasionally 
to do column things.  The statement "why do all .css based pages 
look the same?" might as well say "why do all web pages look the 
same?".

Chris - I know what you mean, but css pages really look so "similar" 
:-)

The biggest advatnage you'll find in workflow is when the client 
starts making changes.


1000 pages all with <font color=blue> and they now want all <p>s 
to be green -- that's not a search and replace job -- you need to 
check the context of each <font> tag.. It might take hours. Next 
day, they ask for dark yellow.
In css:

p {color:blue} -- you can show them the whole site changed in 1 minute.


Though, of course, you need to think through the styles you need 
first. That's a big bit of the design.

Thanks Graham.  Your response came in while I was composing this.... 
OK I have a simple View interface displaying a uniserve response 
so I follow that.  With a view user interface I can see you could 
get the data needed for multiple tab pages asynchronously and have 
some saving there.   For a script serving out html pages, it could 
be broken up so that asynch go after independent parts but they would 
have to be all emitted to the browser at once.   Is anyone doing 
that with Uniserv or other?

Rebol Server Pages

If this list doesn't fulfill all your needs, here's the additionnal 
features planned for the 1.0 release :

    * RSP: REBOL Server Pages support.
    * General CGI support (run any CGI script).

    * Chunk-encoding transferts support (streamed data transferts).
    * Standard compression methods support: gzip, deflate, bzip2.

    * Byte-ranges request support (ability to request files in parts 
    and resume broken downloads).

    * mod-rewrite module for powerful request URL transformations (without 
    the regexp complexity!).

    * mod-map-url module for direct URL to REBOL functions or objects 
    mapping.
    * SSL support.
    * Advanced GUI client for local and remote administration.

Mike, I started using Apache and rebol as cgi, this is not suited 
for performances as on every call to the cgi, a new instance of rebol 
is  initialized, run and closed.

I thought about using fastcgi, but never came to a working solution.
Now I use uniserve as main webserver, here some advantages:

-it is fast! On my local machine I get +- 600 req/sec for static 
pages and a max of 160req/sec for dynamic rsp pages

-it is written in rebol, I could easly(less than 10 lines code) add 
a rewrite engine

-child process are persistent, this mean you can keep state of your 
web applications, implement caching, keep a pool of connection to 
databases open (in apache + rebol/cgi you'd have to open and close 
the connection for every request)
-it is written by Dock whom I may be the biggest fan ;-)

btw I'm running an unreleased version (have bought commercial support) 
 that support http 1.1, stuff like If-Modified etc..

If you have more specific questions, I'll be glad to try and answer.

I'm doing an example now on tabbed pages. I hope it'll be easy to 
understand. :-)

that's why I have made logging in obligatory to edit pages

If you need a simple XML spec, don't forget my RebXML: http://home.tiscali.dk/john.niclasen/rebxml/
(Only a couple of pages.)

It's an easy way to work with XML inside REBOL, and on the same page 
you'll find scripts for converting between XML and RebXML.

Ashley, can you explain in a little more detail how your setup works 
for you?

 Sure. I run a home office with two studies. Each has a Mac mini (plus 
 Cinema display) for day-to-day work. My study also has a TabletPC 
 connected to a 1280x1024 VGA LCD display. I use this for REBOL development 
 and demos away from home.


The iBook is located in the other study and is used by my better 
half when running Windows software related to our finance company 
(CRM/Sales software distributed via the professional body we belong 
to, no Mac or Linux option available). We also use the iBook when 
showing non-IT people stuff (e.g. a spreadsheet showing how much 
their portfolio could be worth if they geared it) and when attending 
training sessions.


The ADSL modem has an ethernet connection to Airport express, which 
in turn has the MFC plugged into its USB slot. The Mac's pick up 
the printer automatically, the TabletPC runs Bonjour and does the 
same. Everything, including the TabletPC, detected the Network without 
issue. It really has been as simple as, 1) Unpack, 2) Plug-in, 3) 
Use. I've also noticed that WinXP running on the iBook is a lot faster/smoother 
than on the TabletPC as it installs 'clean' (i.e. piggy-backs off 
the Mac's Network and Hardware support).


Large screens are a must if you write and or read a lot of documents. 
A 1920x1200 screen lets you do a slideshow on a PDF document and 
read the pages side-by-side. On wide screens I always have the task-bar/dock 
on the right to maximize the vertical display area.

Ashley yes  !!! You noticed right I found them deep hided in the 
SVG format documentation on W3C dedicated pages to SVG format ....

on a project like an svg graph system save.png take really all it's 
sens imagine a way to make easyly graphs with your rebol GCI to display 
graph stats in your web pages for example

just a note to Sound. Some time ago, when Cyphre tried to do media 
player in REBOL for us, he complained about some bugs in smooth playback. 
Carl released C code for the sound system in REBOL - this is some 
2 - 3 pages of C code (mostly wrappers) IIRC? Maybe we could fix 
few things for next R2 release?

When you load, the file has to be LOADable by rebol, which means 
everything in it must be parseable into rebol values.

When you read, the file can be absolutely anything. I usually have 
to read web pages and parse a string, for instance.

and preferably with water proof pages so I can read it in the bath 
:)

Ahhh so much to learn and not enough time!!!  Thanks for your patience
Ok, on to another issue.


I have a text file as a printable report that contains several pages 
within it.  Each line can be as large as 132 columns wide (or less).

- The literal  "    Page " will begin in column 115 and that indicates 
the start of a printed page.


I want to write a script that will read this text file one-page-at-a-time, 
so I can do some processing on the page.


How do I write a script to load in a single "page"?  I am guessing 
that I need to open a PORT and have rebol read all the lines until 
I get "....Page." in bype position 115.

Any suggestions?

My Page, Name, & Member is always in the same order on separate pages 
within a file.  like so:
Line 1     Page 1
Line 2     Name
Line 3     Member
Line n...  Member
Line 50  Member
Line 51  Page   2
Line 52  Name
Line 53  Member
Line 54  Member
...

Yes Patrick you have it right. The rules I gave would fail 
since you have multiple names/members

I would try to get away from the line by line mentality 
and try to break it into your conceptual record groupings
file, pages, sections, and details...

One trick I use is to replace a string delimiter for a record 
with a single char so parse returns a block of that record type. 

this is good because then when you work on each item in the block 
in turn
you know any fields you find do belong to this record and that 

you have not accidently skipped to a similar field in a later record.

something like this 


pages: read %file
replace/all/case pages "PAGE" "^L"
pages: parse/all pages "^L"

foreach page pages[
	p: first page
	page: find page newline
	replace/all/case page "NAME" "^L"
	sections: parse page "^L"
	foreach sec section [
		s: first section
		sec: find sec newline
		parse sec [
			any [thru "Member" copy detail to newline 
				newline (print [p tab s tab detail])
			]
		]
	]
]

Hi at this moment there are only old not so uptodate pages related 
to the dialect here: http://oldes.multimedia.cz/swf/

I would like to make new pages for RSWF dialect during the weekend.

Worked great! Is there any way to pass AS vars to a rebol block? 
You must think I'm crazy but this is an amazing piece of coding and 
I am determined to use it. I'm curious but when you created your 
work for the incredible web pages you've done, did you make libraries 
or are they basically one large script?

Pretty cool though to script firefox .. so that you remove ads from 
your favourite pages

I think Ajax is not good for clasic pages, as it make the page invisible 
for Google, it's nice that XmlHTTPRequest is working in most of the 
browsers but it's nothing impressive, it just gets the data from 
server without ned to reload all the page.

Oldes (David?), you make a good point, but think of it the other 
way around.

As the web moves to the X-Web (even this silly Web 2.0), Google's 
life as a search engine will end.


I'm pro google, and I think they offer a GREAT service. But take 
most companies off the web and Google is a lot less interesting, 
and it becomes a glorified Yellow Pages.


Of course it will still be filled with open information, but I suspect 
it will lose its shine.

The google issue is a good one, search engines are the reasons that 
previous things like frames and iframes failed. As Neilson often 
states, since the advent of powerfull search engines like google, 
there is no longer a real concept of websites..rather from a web 
user point of view, it is just a search box and a list result web 
 pages with what they want to find

the netvibes site is nice, but the problem is still the same, - you 
have to do it in old way as well, if you want to make pages for more 
people then net-freaks

Check the build pages.

I plugged it into my Mac yesrday, and went portrait with it, it is 
pretty amazing.  you see twice the hight, and web pages look like 
they are meant to.  also being DVI makes it really crisp.

http://10000th.com/

a flash site to showcase Tag Heur.

try out how you can flip the pages and even tear it out.

WRT encryption. I found one implementation (you need to buy a license) 
that supports transparent encryption. IIRC I posted the link some 
time ago. I will have a look at the C code and there at the storage 
stuff to see how hard it is to add an AES encryption of storage pages. 
IMO it can't be that hard.

Both PostScript and PDF ref. manuals are found on www.adobe.com. 
I took a quick look and found out, that PDF is mainly a document 
format incl. things as hypertext links and logical structure information 
for document interchange. Postscript's primary application is to 
describe the appearance of text, graphical shapes, and sampled images 
on printed and displayed pages. It makes good sense producing PostScript 
from REBOL to enhance printing abilities, and if it's much easier 
than pdf (as Graham points out), there is good probability of success. 
And supporting PostScript doesn't exclude pdf. We can have both, 
and it's two different things with different goals.

Desitions have to be made about the dialect structure. Should the 
outer block consist of font-specifications and pages, or isn't that 
structure the best for PS? A better understanding of PS is needed 
to answer.

Would it be normal in PS to define the font before anything else, 
and then describe pages with paths? Is that the structure?

New version. The postscript block consists of font definitions and 
pages. A page consists of paths and transformations. Try:
do http://home.tiscali.dk/john.niclasen/postscript/postscript.r

print postscript [font [Times-Roman 20] page [path [at 72x72 rotate 
45 "Hello World!"]]]

A postscript block can have several pages, and every page can have 
several paths.

I note that if I browse from one page to the next  (using links at 
bottom of each page) , the subsequent pages won't load ..

Konfabulator widgets are more comparable to regular reblets running 
in View. Just because they are implemented in XML/CSS, doesn't mean 
they are held to the same behavioral standards as web pages.

thanks for the feedback. i apologize if i conveyed the idea that 
security discussions are noise. What I mean is that I don't have 
the bandwidth to sift through pages of discussion and build the plugin 
at the same time. So, for my sake, we need some kind of itemized 
system where Carl and I can tackle the issues one-by-one.

pekr, I sort of agree with you, but it's impossible to ignore how 
widespread flash is, not for apps, but for animations, stylish pages 
and now video with youtube and video.google.com. I actually think 
the easiest way to watch video is through flash.


The point is though not really what flash does, it's how it gets 
spread. I think REBOL/Plugin should emulate that behavior as close 
as humanly possible. people who have installed flash, would know 
how to install REBOL/plugin (visit a specific site, wait for download, 
click 1-2 buttons, done). That initial "installation experience" 
is incredibly important for the widespread use of REBOL/plugin. If 
people can't use it within the first 1-2 minutes, they'll forget 
about it and move on.

Banner ads are on web pages. You can make banner ads with Flash, 
and that is less dangerous than the current plugin.

I guess all the pages need new tags

Ingo: Pages have to be updated manually to work with FF.

Volker: Uninstall is easier with IE (although I have noticed a few 
bugs with that), but FF/Mozilla simply doesn't support uninstallation. 
Thay say that plainly on their plugin info web pages.

Josh M:  my problems may be with the interface between the chair 
and the keyboard... I tried using the existing demo pages not even 
considering the new tags required for the html pages.  I will double 
check everything when I get a chance.  Sorry for possibly causing 
extra work on your part to trouble shoot.

Hi James, Pekr,


the html code is different for IE vs Mozilla plugins. I'm not sure 
wether the web-pages have already been updated accordingly. (Well, 
actually I'm rather sure they haven't ;-)

You're using Cheyenne as the web server, so probably Cheyenne is 
doing the rebol script as it would to support Rebol Server Pages.

You should look into Cheyenne's options regarding Rebol Server Pages 
and see it there's a way to disable it for certain scripts.

From @MaxV
New Rebol plugin for R2: 
you can visit: http://www.maxvessi.net/rebsite/plugin/index.html

to test if it works, tha pages contain some scripts. If you want, 
I can adder more...

source for each of the rsp pages is at the bottom of the screen

Will "Mike, I started using Apache and rebol as cgi, this is not 
suited for performances as on every call to the cgi, a new instance 
of rebol is  initialized, run and closed.

I thought about using fastcgi, but never came to a working solution.
Now I use uniserve as main webserver, here some advantages:

-it is fast! On my local machine I get +- 600 req/sec for static 
pages and a max of 160req/sec for dynamic rsp pages

-it is written in rebol, I could easly(less than 10 lines code) add 
a rewrite engine

-child process are persistent, this mean you can keep state of your 
web applications, implement caching, keep a pool of connection to 
databases open (in apache + rebol/cgi you'd have to open and close 
the connection for every request)
-it is written by Dock whom I may be the biggest fan ;-)

btw I'm running an unreleased version (have bought commercial support) 
 that support http 1.1, stuff like If-Modified etc..

If you have more specific questions, I'll be glad to try and answer."

Can RSP pages retreive content using async http and return them to 
the client?

pekr, remark is EXACTLY that but templates are not only for pages, 
but tags are templates... all code is outside of page and very easy 
to make your own tags.

the only thing it needs is someone to adapt it for cgi use... I have 
too little CGI practice and no real need, atm... so its hard to put 
time on this... but its a rebol script, so its easy to adapt.  all 
it would need is to check if its been started as cgi and call a different 
startup, which only prints out one file.  for static pages (which 
CAN include dynamic conent like sql queries) then its a very good 
solution which already supports site magamenent and ftp xfer.

that is probably true. however I may change the architecture a bit 
since the parser is limited to two levels and is not recursive. the 
pages are generated from a limited list. all I really wanted to do 
was to make it easy to combine blogger.r, makedoc documents, dir 
listings and customized html output in a pipeline. it does most of 
that now, but the parser is only about 80% elegant. :-)

I've set up a wiki at http://devcon2007.on-arran.com/(template to 
match the official DevCon site).  I'd be obliged if willing DevCon 
attendees would create pages with revelations and announcements from 
the conference, and also if non-attendees could help keep it organised.

How about a game where people must optimize search? but  the ranking 
is based on the statistics  both own. then you need good statistics 
and must optimize your avatars(pages) to match them

That will take a while - I have too many pages open that I haven't 
read yet.

Cheyenne server upgraded again. The new on-the-fly RSP output compression 
should make RSP pages loading 2x faster on average than before (but 
you may not noticed as CC pages load already very fast)

Wow, I can't even make a virtual DevCon :(
Neither of those pages work for me.

My request for whom ever hosts the page is that they "think" they 
can keep the page in place for a long time in the future.  My hope 
is to eventually get all these devcon pages over to one place for 
historical reasons.

Hi Janko and RobertS :)  I added your names to the list of attendees. 
  The event will take place at 3pm EST December 27th, at http://rockfactory.us/rooms/room22
 .  As stated, user/pass is devcon/devcon  (those pages will all 
be deleted after the event, and I'll be monitoring to kick/ban unwanted 
visitors from any of the chat/audio/video communications as needed, 
so that first line of security is not a big concern - it's primarily 
just to deter random lookee-loos :)

Chris, may I suggest we set up the wiki website such that at the 
top is a given even (Name + Date) and that everything else be put 
on one big page.  

This has a lot of advantages.  This is not to say people can't put 
things on other pages, but if we do it this way, everything can be 
in one place.

You come to the Home page, then click on the event you are interestested 
in, and that is it.

There's a lot to that.  I was kind of using the DevCon '05 as a model 
(my fav so far) where all the info is knee deep on the front page 
with more detail on sub pages.

Btw: it seems that the url for the 2007 DevCon has changed.  I'll 
try and keep http://2007.rebolconf.infopointed to the correct site...


Alternately, if whoever maintains the 2007 DevCon pages wishes me 
to host them under the above address, I'll be happy to...

Example of multiples pages printing :

So, how are you doing it ? multiple pages and text flow?

and if I run out of text boxes, it just keeps reusing the last text 
box ... for all subsequent pages

I have multipage preview working ... some time ... I have a block 
of draw blocks and I am supposed to switch between them to page thru 
the different pages.