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eh, wrong group, although :-)

aha, sorry, this is a Red group...

of course, better than JAVA. But generally it does not work in a 
browser - you still need a plugin for each platform. Don't forget 
mobile devices, etc. But - that is a bit offtopic here in a RED group

<from !Cheyenne group>


I'll have a look emitting the executable in the working directory 
this afternoon.

-dlib option: it's just set the flag to produce shared library instead 
of executable.


-t option: sets a target which is just a handy way to group several 
options together (most options don't have a specific command-line 
switch).

Well who is issuing them, with what authority and what fundamental 
value? I cannot see this, whereas the state has the authority of 
the land where we live and foods are produced to base money value. 
(Second life 'money' was a hype.)  But that is a discussion for outside 
this Red message group.

I do not bother to obtain bitcoins. Vague draining of computational 
powers of my tiny computer to compute some hashes(????) to unknown 
benefit to get by chance(???) ome 50 bitcoins of a limited(who controles 
this, I have serious doubts here too) supply of them. I am a real 
bitcoin sceptic, sorry. But again I think the Red group is not the 
place to discuss this matter, not that I have much more to say about 
this.

Please move non-Red payment chat to another group.

oops, meant that for another group.  Sorry!

Pekr: # are for compiler directives, they can be processed before 
or during compilation. 

make native!

: see my posts before my v0.3.0 link post on friday in this group.

Red FB group: https://www.facebook.com/groups/redlanguage/

My new public FB profil: https://www.facebook.com/redlanguage


Those that sent my friend requests recently to my private page, can 
now resend them to this new one.

Cool! (for FB group and pythontutor.com)

yes, but? :-) You posted about FB group above ... which is part of 
the Twitter feed too :-)

special group for posting small Red tasks?

Just skimming this group. Exciting to see so much going on here.

Did you install the extra Red-common Fossil repository that the C 
library binding now needs? (See the Announce group here)

Let's not talk about this further in the Red group.

I'm not following the Licensing group anymore. I have work to do

posted in ann-reply group, but really - could we stop calling those 
app being an MSDOS? That's absolutly innacurate imo ...

Found them - it was scrolled away from the sight, as Max posted his 
source code in the Announce group :-) It would be usefull to add 
the link to the Contribution page ...

http://red.esperconsultancy.nl/Red-test/dir?ci=tip

From ~Links group: "Could Red eventually become a contender for #6? 
 How strong will support for parallel processing be, eventually, 
in Red?"


#6: yes, that is one of the goals I want to achieve with Red. For 
parallel processing, the model I have in mind is the "parallel collections" 
from Scala. This means that when you are looping over a series, Red 
should be able to parallelize the loop code over n (CPU and/or GPGPU) 
cores at the cost for the user of only a change of the loop function 
name (in Scala, they use a "par." prefix for such functions). This 
requires that the compiler do a deep static analysis of the loop 
body to determine if it can be parallelized (e.g. iterations not 
dependent on results from previous ones). Now, if you also add SIMD 
support in the equation to leverage intra-core parallelism, you get 
a good picture of what I want to achieve. ;-)


So, I think a semi-assisted parallelization/vectorization of loops 
in Red is doable. To what extent and which final efficiency, I'm 
not sure before we build some prototypes.

I agree that we should have only _one_ convention, else it will quickly 
become a nightmare when having to integrate 3rd-party code. We need 
to find some objective reasons for choosing it. 


For Red, I'm inclined to continue on the one-based convention that 
worked pretty well in R2 for many years (at least for me). I'm not 
very fond of the change in R3, introducing 0-based convention implicitly, 
it solves one problem (iterating over 0 index...I don't remember 
ever doing that), but introduces new ones (negative indexes point 
now to an IMHO, counter-intuitive position which will most probably 
lead to programming errors). For now, I prefer to stick to R2 way, 
until  we find a better solution (feel free to propose some on related 
github tickets or here). For example, we could decide to ban indexes 
<= 0 (not my favorite personal option though, but would solve simply 
the problem).


For Red/System, a 0-based convention might make more sense, but it 
would push us into the R3 issue I've mentioned above wrt indexes 
<= 0. Also, as a dialect of Red, it can use whatever convention best 
fits its purpose, but OTOH, having the same convention as Red would 
help. So, I'm really undecided for Red/System.


I think the whole issue boils down to decide about PICK behavior 
with <= 0 indexes, everything else should be able to fit in easily 
once that preliminary question is solved. It would be helpful if 
someone could put up everything related to this topic on a wiki page 
with all arguments sorted (there's a lot of them in R3 group posted 
a few weeks ago).

I can tell you why I don't like the idea of continuing from the back 
of the series.

Most data is not in a cyclic group, it is finite so definitely at 
the beginning you do not expect it to continue from the tail.

While it's too late to keep all this chat out of the Red channel, 
if you would all like to continue this very specific discussion, 
I will create a group just for that.

sorry, Doc - we shouldn't be polluting this group

Well, it would be strange from you to try to push us to recreate 
an object just to expand it, whereas in REBOL3 group you are wondering, 
why function bodies are not hot-patchable anymore, no? :-)

I will answer in Language group.

Pekr mentioned on 7-Jun-2012 in this group that an OpenCV binding 
was coming, but I can't find it anywhere.  Does anyone know if it 
exists?

Or my links in the Syllable group, for that matter

(Sorry should have posted that in Languages group)

Wrong group, switching to !REBOL3.

Good job, now BrianH will flood this group to prove you wrong! ;-)

Is there a way to hide this group from him (temporarily?)

any group can be made private

There's a growing consenus, Max, that that blog post may be better 
suited for the Humour group.

(feel free to post your feedback with testing  in Android group)

To start off, I'm offering a matching donation up to $500, to Saphirion, 
for this work.  (Moving to Android group...)

wrong group...

4 years old code that I wrote for a customer app. I've already published 
it in REBOL3 world (there was a dedicated group), but I guess that 
Github is the right place, so others can improve it.

44 yesterday. Not doing gifts this year, but the DJ night we went 
out to as a group was a lot of fun :)

I created a "Licensing" group to move the licensing-related discussions 
to, so as to free up Ann-Reply again to discuss other more recent 
announcements.

I do not see the group

Works for me :)  It should also allow some collaboration between 
the Red and R3 projects, using the methods we went over in the Red 
group.

well, he won't be able to control a mess created in any forks of 
REBOL, but I would think that with a small group of people as the 
only committers to the official REBOL, he could be assured of reasonably 
good results

Sorry for posting in the wrong group. It slipped me completely and 
I should have known better. Thank you for the links Max!

(sorry, wrong group)

Robert and Cyphre : As already stated under the Android group I have 
succeessfully tested the new console based R3 for Android under my 
Samsung Galaxy Tab 10.1 tablet - running Android 3.2. works well 
- thanks again a lot for this achievement - I wil shortly follow 
with some donation - simply waiting for my next salary deposit ...

Kaj, could you post the code in scripts, or in the #Red group, instead 
of in the Announce group itself?

There aren't currently any that would need a dedicated group

I pushed Facebook Rebol group  from 100 to 263 users now, but people 
is loosing interest in Rebol, I write the Rebol blog quite every 
day; and I'll dedicate my time also to Rebol Bazaar. I don't know 
why Rebol software is orphan and I don't care. I'll try to rise again 
it in the Olympus of best software (since nobody else do it), if 
you are with me you are welcome. I have no enemies, just friends.

The solution to this would a very radical idea, one that isn't easy 
for a group of people to do.  Think of others as more important than 
themselves.  In this case I believe that R3 could become a movement 
against technology squeezing people into its own mold.  It could 
become technology that makes us smarter and better, rather than less 
adequate and worse.  It could become an enabling technology, but 
only if its people are devoted to enabling other people.

Arnold agreed.  I'm suggesting that a group can be otherminded and 
in the process protect and promote the interests of the individuals 
in it.  It requires a clear vision that transcends the group and 
its members, a strong leader who can articulate that vision, and 
individuals who can consider the needs of others as more important 
than themselves.  It worked on the soccer field with my teams, it 
worked a some large companies and it works in small businesses that 
I am aware of around the United States.

Trust is a huge factor, in the vision, in the leadership and in the 
other members of the group.

I don't mind seeing Kaj's announcements in the announce group.

(it is in the "Announce" group as well)

Also, please post related questions here, please, not to the "Announce" 
group

sorry wrong group
Kaj, 

the problem, that the console window closed, was caused by my wong 
assumption, that the convention for file names is the same as in 
Rebol.
i.e.
read   -> crash
read %test -- > crash
write %test -- > crash
read "test"   --> works

If you can speak with him, and get some technical details, maybe 
there's some potential, especially if he gets help from the group.

he was asking the same thing - see above in this group

Pekr, unless this is a huge rehash that you don't want to repeat, 
could you let me know which View engine proposal you're talking about? 
I don't do GUI stuff so it's been a while since I caught up with 
current events. In the !R3-GUI group if that's appropriate.

ok, so always 3 numbers in the first group if not international?

( we use 2 numbers for the first group unless it's cellular  when 
it's 3 or 4 )

welcome to Rebol John, 


this group's etiquette is: "there are no stupid or wrong questions".


In case you ever wonder if you are asking too advanced questions 
at some point .... the fact that you are thinking of asking them 
here is an indication that you're still a candidate for this group 
 :-)

getter/setter is a nice theoretical concept, nice for OO purposes. 
Radio buttons of a group should function like this: always 1 selected, 
the default to begin with, each option should have a value that is 
copied to the radiogroup's /data field, so to know what was selected 
can be found just like that. Not more not less.
rg: radiogroup rg1
radio on 'rg1  "Text 1" "A" 
radio     'rg1 "Text 2" "B"
and in your program 
switch rg1/data [
A
 [do this]
B
 [do that]]

An answer in a not web public group -> Chit chat

There are bugs and design flaws in R2's callbacks, but I'm not sure 
there still are in R3's. Robert's group uses them IIRC, and might 
have fixed the bug. They'd have to chime in here.

Marc, to no pollute this group I posted a private conversation mentioning 
how to define a TAIL-CALL function using the function spec and how 
to handle the situation even if the function spec is "more complicated" 
than just a block of words.

It's Rebol School group here. Why would your post be a pollution 
? I don't get it

(sorry, I should have posted that in #Red group)

I think it is the same problem for Sujoy. (better to move Cheyenne 
group)

(oops new VIEW/VID group now open for such questions).

May be we should create a "R3 School" and rename this group to "R2 
School"?

So we do not have to ask for version for every question asked in 
this group. What do you think?

I think this group is fine. Otherwise we may have fragmentation about 
general questions.

I'm interested in creating a rebol associative db. Terry, I know, 
was talking about one such back in May last year (i think he called 
it rocketdb) - but apart from the altme logs and something on a redis 
google group, i cannot find anything. Does anyone know whether he 
released something or how i could contact him?

but afsa, honestly - it does not even belong to the database group, 
but to Rebol School group - you seem to miss the basic understanding, 
of how CGI works on the server. Your problem is not in getting the 
value into DB, but handling CGI stuff in general. In above example, 
what you would put into your DB would be values/field ...

I have a problem with RebDB: how works db-select/group?
Example:

>> db-select/where/group/count [ID title post date]  archive  [find 
post "t" ] [ID]
** User Error: Invalid number of group by columns
** Near: to error! :value

I use the sql dialect like this:

sql [select count [ID title post date] from archive group by [ID 
title post] where [find post "t"]]


The trick with this particular query is the that the "count" selector 
must have exactly one more column than the "group by" selector.  
The first three elements [ID title post] are used to sort the output 
and the last element [date] is counted.

output will be organized:
	ID	title	post	count

This group is for helping people getting started using Syllable.

Thanks for reinstating this group :-)

what red flags? The licence is not set, and the author and owner 
of the code is Cyphre, not RT, so if it is licence related, we should 
talk to Cyphre imo ... but anyway - wrong group. It is just that 
we are binding to some heavy solutions as GTK, Enlightenment, instead 
of going probably the less hard route?

hmm, maybe we should move to another group ...

Does anyone know if there is any problem with using a ":" within 
a http URL, for the *target* part of the path.   

as such, the URL doesn't have any relation to physical disk paths.

ex:

http://mydomain.com/stuff/group:resource

This group is for the discussion of Red documentation. I think it's 
important enough, and will generate enough chat, that it deserves 
its own group. See #Red for previous doc chat.

Thanks Gregg, having a separate group will be helpful, it's a broad 
topic anyway.

I'll try to get back later, to pull other doc links from the #Red 
group. In the meantime, here is one:

http://wiki.gigaspaces.com/wiki/display/XAP9/XAP+9.0+Documentation+Home


I like the upper right link categories: API docs, Forum, Blog, White 
Papers.

Should this group not be public?

This is a new group for all things related to R3, meant to be indexed 
on rebol.org (its web-public)

we need a world master to add it to the various group tabs.

I want to start an Apple iOS group ASAP.  I have some thoughts about 
the approach for iOS Apps.  Certainly I know what our research team 
does:
1.  Write HTML, CSS,  JQuery Mobile Apps in TextMate environment.
2.  Provision them for iPod, iPhone, iPad using PhoneGap
3.  Finish development in XCode IDE.

4.  Directly install them in up to 100 devices (Apple Developer Agreement).
5.  Use our Apps in a classroom session or two.
6.  Make modifications and update them on all the devices.
7.  Run a few more classroom sessions
8.  Make more modifications.

This is a design research approach we use for our studies.

I added this group to the Products divider.

Created Apple iOS group and added it to the Platforms divider.

Hope to see an official group formed soon.

Howeverm good work Rober. Your  investment on REBOL has proven to 
be successful. Now your group is free to move.

Would it make sense to use a group separate from !REBOL3 for discussing 
development _of_ R3. This would free !REBOL3 from this (at least 
currently) high volume of discussion.

Makes sense...  We have an Apple iOS group, but no one has responded.

We could use a separate group to talk about building and porting 
R3. This group is getting a bit polluted.

Brian -- !REBOL3 Building and Porting group created

Giuseppe -- thanks, but it was TomBon's idea in the SELF group.

I don't think we're really out of topic here as the graphics stuff 
pertains to porting to different platforms, but if you wish, we could 
move this to the View/VID group.


When Carl was developing VID, he clearly expected that VID would 
not become the de-facto standard for Rebol graphics.  The face engine 
was the de-facto standard, and VID was simply one of what he expected 
to be several dialects for the face engine.  There were a few others, 
like GLASS, that came about.

see the vanity group here