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sunanda I am getting an error from the server itself!  


whenever I press download, it starts the download (shows the green 
xfer data on the bottom, and then pops up an error:  here is the 
error as reported by LDS:

make object! [
    status: [100 20 "bad cgi data"]
    data: none
    diagnostics: [9003 9003 9.8084E-2]
    supply-date: 15-Sep-2006/1:03:41
]


have any idea where that is comming from?  I try to check it out 
from the code I have... but its been sooo long, A nudge on your part 
will help me get this working much faster IMHO!

well, I did all I can, for some reason, the same code under 1.2.10 
and 1.3.2 does not seem to request the same data on the server (I 
guess).

Apologies -- REBOL.org was unavailable for just under a day, it's 
back now.

The problem originated with the ISP, and it took them a little while 
to work out what they'd done wrong.

Using a "non-standard" language seems to have added to their debug 
time:
Extracts from two emails from the ISP's technical support:

<<Hi, Sunanda.  Sorry this is taking a bit.  As I'm sure you know 
you have

a non-standard setup :-)  We aren't familiar with it and are puzzling 
it

out.  Am I right that you have your own scripting language?  And 
that
[snipped] is the [path to the] interpreter?>>

<<Aha!  Our web server rebooted yesterday.  It's a FreeBSD server, 
and for

a reason we haven't determined yet, the Linux compatability module

didn't load.  We loaded it and your site works again.  We'll figure 
out
why that module didn't load at boot.>>

550 is a server error

It would certainly be nicer to have shorter URLs. We inherited the 
use of CGIWRAP (which is creating all the long URLs), and were not 
able to remove it when we started. That's a great pity.

What I'd realy like is for the server to be running apache 2, so 
we could read the REDIRECT variables in the 404 handler. Then we 
could do pretty much any amount of rewriting of URLs intelligently 
in a REBOL script.
Sadly, we are still on 1.3 with no hope of an early upgrade.

It could even work from a zip file, so no server scripts need be 
harmed in the writing of it :-)

That's true -- not something we could do safely on a server.....Hence 
we are limited to load/header etc.

A desktop application may be able to be more daring -- provided you 
don't let arbitrary code out of the sandbox.

Gregg, the Tiscali server (or network) was a bit slow last night. 
Try the links again, if you had trouble.

Results of a tiny bit of debugging on the ascii chars problem:
-- problem seems to be at the input stage:

     -- if you have exended ascii characters (top bit set, like the 1/4 
     used in the script) what we get from the webserver is bad (extra, 
     unexpected extended ascii chars)

    -- only download is (visibly) affected, although the extra extended 
    ascii chars are present in the text streams

     -- though there is some REBOL mezz code (decode-cgi) that may be 
     doing something I do not understand

    -- I can replicate the problem with both Apache and Xitami which 
    suggests the problem may be in REBOL rather than a given server.


-- the quick fix would be to add accept-charset="ISO-8859-1" to the 
<form ....> or <textarea ....>

    -- but that stops all extended ascii, including the ones we want. 
    So we won't do that.

-- the slower fix has yet to emerge from the available options.

As Carl mentioned in Announcemements:

www.rebol.org is being moved by the ISP to a faster server.  I'm 
not sure they understand what's really involved, so it is very likely 
that the site is going to break.


I'm just going to set the site to read-only, as I am not sure they 
will be able to backup and copy everything while we are adding ML 
posts, scripts etc.  I hope normal service wiill be resumed asap!

REBOL.org died last night because:

 -- the ISP copied the entire site in preparation for a server migration

 -- that doubled our disk usage ..... and took us over our disk space 
 quota
 -- so all file writes failed

 -- but they failed by writing zero byte length files. result data 
 loss and corruption of indexes
We are now restored and back up and running.


The server migration is still to come. As Carl says, it may  break 
things in other ways.

REBOL.org just migrated from the world's slowest single server to 
a small load balanced cluster.
Sadly, we're not superfast, but its early days yet.


One cosmetic problem: we're showing the date as 6 hours out. Highly 
trained techies are working to resolve that. Other than that, it 
was a smooth move, mainly handled by the ISP.

here is an error I got trying to go to the http-tools.r script...

Not Found


The requested URL /cgi-bin/cgiwrap/rebol/view-script.r was not found 
on this server.


Additionally, a 404 Not Found error was encountered while trying 
to use an ErrorDocument to handle the request.
Apache Server at www.rebol.org Port 80

I get an internal server error at www.rebol.org

Thanks Gabriele. That's probably what happened.

The real mystery though is why our upload process gets it wrong with 
the new server.

Bad performance of that server. Had it run AtheOS, it would have 
easily survived a few Slashdottings :-)

What AtheOS site are you trying? The original atheos.cx domain and 
site are hijacked by some thug selling drugs. Our archive of the 
original site was on the Scandinavian server, so it's down

After all Carl decided to do rebol when he set up a linux-server..

Hello everyone..
I have a CGI problem/question.


I have a Win-apache-rebol server that isn't propagting the cgi info 
properly..
Upon posting.. the query-string is empty.
I am not sure what I am missing..

Details:

page1.rcgi
========================
#!c:\rebol\rebol.exe -cs
rebol []
print "content-type: text/html^/"
print "<html><body>"
print "  <form action='page2.rcgi' method='POST'>"

print "    <input type='text' name='var01' size='16' value='test'>"
print "    <input type='submit' name='go' value='Lookup'>"
print "  </form>"
print "</body></html>"


page2.rcgi
========================
#!c:\rebol\rebol.exe -cs
REBOL [ ]
print "content-type: text/html^/"
print "<html><body>"
print mold system/options/cgi
print "<hr>"
print "</body></html>"



if I .. ( decode-cgi system/options/cgi/query-string ), my vars are 
all undefined.

Also, looking at the 'print mold system/options/cgi' shows   query-string=""

if I change page1 form-action to ... "action='page2.rcgi?x=123"

then the query-string on page2 gets populated with x=123 and the 
value 123 gets assigned to 'x'
when I 'decode-cgi'.

However, my form fields NEVER get populated.
Does anyone have any advice?

John.

ok, now I tried it, Graham. I used Total Commander to copy it over 
ftp there. I got correct user and group permissions, but I had to 
chmod it directly on server to 755

3) I would not put rebol in cgi-bin. If it is there, one can call 
the rebol-exe from the outside, without it doing a string. Never 
tried that, but it may think post-data is console-input. rights should 
be 755, only you can modify, but everyone can read it. the server 
may call it as "somebody else", and so it must be readable for that 
"user"

http://www.cod-okna.cz/cgi-bin/rebolhttp://www.compkarori.com/test.r


The requested URL /cgi-bin/rebol http://www.compkarori.com/test.r
was not found on this server.
Apache/2.0.50 (Fedora) Server at www.cod-okna.cz Port 80

but you could flood server, running hundreds of instances .... keeping 
them in memory for long time ...

Yes, but i could also call hundreds of regular scripts to keep server 
busy. although this way is  easier, i can allocate lots of mem with 
one call.

Graham - my server is far from popular. I think no-one will do Volker's 
like trick. But you might be right, if we teach ppl to simply put 
rebol into cgi-bin dir, and then such "vulnerability" is found, ISPs 
might hate it ....

well, as for my server, I can install rebol regullarly. We just were 
thinking loud here with Graham, if that is good aproach or not to 
have it in cgi-bin, so simply you could run your rebol scripts without 
ISP to even know you are using rebol :-)

Grahams obfuscation-trick should work too, as long as nobody on the 
same server tries to break in.

btw, ct mentioned virtual server for e4.99. Dont know about quality, 
and i see german, do you see english? http://www.netfabrik.de/

Good to know !!

Looking at some log on a server I have to administrate, Im affraid 
to see many request trying to find  some /ebay, /lassalebank, /admin, 
/phpmyadmin pages on the site.
Internet looks more and more like a jungle.

I am running XP on my local computer. Out web host's server is running 
Red Hat Linux.


Which version of core should I use on the host server to run the 
cgi scripts?


If I download the proper Linux core interpreter to my  XP computer, 
and uncompress it using WinZip, will it be corrupted by XP?  How 
do I get a clean version of core to the Linux server?

Hi Graham, I am, of course, using ftp. I'm sending core 042 for Red 
Hat to the server using binary mode.

500 Server Error

A misconfiguration on the server caused a hiccup. Check the server 
logs, fix the problem, then try again. URL: http://www.dayspringpublisher.com/cgi-bin/now.cgi

/home/daysprin/public_html/cgi-bin/now.cgi: Invalid shebang /dayspringpublisher.com/cgi-bin/rebol: 
Does not exist!

shebangs only refer to the local filing system.  They know nothing 
of web servers which are virtual paths for the web server which is 
an application.

And your web server reported the actual path in the 500 server error 
message.

OK, now that cgi is working, I want to make a form that will allow 
people to give their name and email address to be saved in a rebol 
db file on the server for me to download at my convenience. Has anyone 
already done this so that I don't have to reinvent the wheel?

I am trying for first time to setup rebol for cgi on  remote Apache 
web server on Linux.
I am working from WinXP
Site management is done with EnsimPro. Ftp does not yet working.
So what is done up to now:

Uploaded file Rebol from rebol-core-2602042.tar package for Linux 
to cgi-bin directory;

Set permisions to owner read, write, execute and for group and others 
to read, execute;
Test script -> write file read file,

Test script uploaded (throught web broeser by using EnsimPro web 
interface) test script:

#!/var/www/cgi-bin/rebol -cs

REBOL [Title: "CGI Basics"]

print ["Content-type: text/html" newline]

print "Hello!!!"

to cgi-bin directory;
Set the same permisions.


Pointing to the test file I am getting "500 Internal server errror" 
What else could be wrong?


Interesting that I have interpreters directory on this web server 
where are couple files regarding php and perl.
Could it be connected with my problem?

That web server is hosting and I think that I can not access httpd.conf.
Btw  - where it resides?

The web server service providers told/wrote that it is possible to 
run cgi scripts on this server.

I susoect View may be trying to pop-up an installation window......And 
so that appears on the server's console (if any). meanwhile, you 
wait at the end of an Internet connection unable to see anything.

Possible work-around: manually install whatever files View is trying 
to configure?

what about asking server admin to add the library for you? He just 
could unpack it for you from his distro CD/DVD to the location where 
it belongs ....

I asked for mu web service provider to add linux-gate.so.1 to the 
server he did not aprove that he did (actualy I did not get any answer 
yet), but today I found that my test script:

 #!/var/www/cgi-bin/rebview -cs

REBOL [Title: "CGI Basics"]

print ["Content-type: text/html" newline]

print "Heloooooo!!!"

works differently - I am getting following response:

** Near: size-text self

You can check: http://www.jk.serveris.lv/cgi-bin/test

What could it mean?

first guess view may not work without X installed (does not on solaris) 
and there is no good reason to run X on a web server ... and then 
there are all those fiddley fonts

Personaly I do not like M$ as it is monster. ;-)

But in my last and current work I am not responsible on which web 
server to chose and therefore neither for security of web server.

And I am trying to separate my  resposibility and SP responsibility, 
but of course there is cases when they overlaps.

I am just trying to find  as much as possible info about security 
of web servers and it does no matter if it is M$ or not .

My first installations was on IIS 5.0 in intranet - so I relied on 
firewall. The last case is in public internet. 

So I think if there are no possibility to upload danger cgi scripts 
or pass danger code to existing scripts, than from my side I did 
all.

I haven't used rebol much on linux, yet, but the error sounds suspiciously 
like the common mistake of running rebol without X running, as Tom 
said. The linux server you are uploading rebview to may very well 
*not* be running X.  If that is the case, you will have to settle 
with Rebol/Core only.  Do you really need View features ?  I know 
some people found that they missed some image manipulation functions 
from Rebol/View that are not available in Rebol/Core.

size-text: xwindows is client/server. the x-server , that is your 
local computer, which offers to aplications to display things to 
you. And it has some important informations locally, especially the 
fonts (and can cache images and such).

/view needs access to the fonts and so access to a running x-server. 
the x-libs are only an interface to connect to the server. (The xserver-libs 
could be used directly, but well, /view does not do that. Seems to 
be tricky.)
A incomplete sketch how to do it, with no attention to security:

So with /view you need a running x-server, one way to do that  headless 
is vnc.  Can also run on another machine. 

Then you need to tell  rebol where it is, there is an env-var $DISPLAY. 
Which must be set before rebol runs. Did not figure out how to configure 
that. Running a bash-script as cgi, set  $DISPLAY, call the real 
rebol-script should work. And there may be issues with authentification, 
x-windows does not like everyone to connect by default, or the other 
way around, its too easy to make it too open ("xhost + ip"). There 
are more secure ways, but looked more complicated and i never tried. 
All in all i would run such things on windows.

Because I don't know it.

And I whanted to use my blog site as demo for all those good things 
that could be done with Rebol.

But whell - as I undertood I can use it on Linux web server. Anyway 
thanks, Graham, I will check how can I use them.

I'm using the com+ server at present stil as I wasn't able to get 
your script to work.  When I have time, I'll try again.

Yes, that may be a concern as well. I'm running on a virtual server 
so I could change those parameters. Maybe I should investigate some 
type of Rebol client app. instead. Basically, what I'm after is a 
what for my students to send in their homework files that is better 
and smarter than this dropbox solution that they have now. It doesn't 
give them feedback of a successful upload and I end up with files 
upon files of slightly uncategorized uploads.

if you have PHP on the server...you can try SwiftMailer.
http://www.swiftmailer.org/

Ok, I have a question regarding blog.r .  I set it up on a server 
to play with it for a few minutes.  After a couple kinks, I got it 
working with a few tests.   I went to delete the test blogs but found 
they were created under the www-data user and group (this is on a 
linux server) and I do not have writes to delete or modify these 
files.   In the future, is there a way to have the files created 
under a different user / group?

Or is this server / apache config?   I have no admin access to this 
box, so this could cause some annoyances

Hello, I need to send multipart/form-data to a server for uploading 
a file from the console. I've been googling and searching the script 
archive, to no avail. Can anyone help?

Thanks for the help. The recipe from the rebol cookbook show you 
how to upload a file provided the server runs a rebol script too. 
The server I'm uploading a file to doesn't. It expects multipart/form-data. 
Maybe the %cgi.r by Cal Dixon provides a solution. I'll investigate 
further. More hints will be appreciated, as well...

In that ML thread, the request was to handle a multipart upload on 
the server side (in rebol). I need to perform a multipart upload 
on the client side (in rebol). As for the seconde link, unfortunately 
I get "Article x60 is no longer available ". Any idea?

In other words, the rebol script has to send values to a form on 
the server issuing something like that in the header: Content-Type: 
multipart/form-data; boundary=----------6l5Xq9lJYPaaypknAH8Des etc. 
Surely someone has done this before (I hope)...

I don't know if it helps, but I did write a web server stress test 
that did a http upload of hundreds of images in Rebol that year.. 
but the scripts are long lost.

Anyone know the answer to this one? 

I have a cgi script that sends an email out. The problem is that 
I want to send to an address that has the same domain name as the 
website but whose mail server is not located there (It's an Exchange 
Server). Any other address works fine as expected. I think it has 
to do with the mx records but, the weird thing is that if I generate 
an email via php, it goes through. Therefore I'm thinking Rebol can 
do it too. 

I've used set-net  for the smtp server and have set it a different 
server completely but still no go.
And I'm in the process of having the MX records changed.

yes, /rebol/rebol.exe will not be executed by the web server, unless 
it is specifically configured to do so.

I don't need it on my server, was trying to help other guys to not 
feel pressed from ISPs

What I have found to be a problem is accessing MySQL accounts from 
client based rebol scripts. They seem to only allow server based 
access.

I have a rebol view app that I use to acces a MySQL database. I had 
it working  and then ,y ISP decided to add security and no longer 
allow MySQL access unless its a script on the server. Ofcourse they 
did not inform me and it took some time to track down the problem..

it's not execute bit of the dir, and it has not much to do with unix 
permissions, it's web server config. normally, web server will only 
execute things from cgi-bin and not somewhere else.

Maarten, I agree with your observation and you can even scale it 
more.


If you see a web-server as just a request dispatcher to CGIs and 
a fast-answering-machine for user-feedback (pages, forms etc.) you 
just need a small and "simple" one like Cheyenne. The CGIs can be 
distributed to different cores (through the OS) or even to different 
machines (via TCP/IP).

As dispatching requests is most likely much faster than processing 
a request, a single web-server should serve a lot of users and a 
bunch of machines do the processing.

This is the coarse grained multi-process approach.

I am close to autogenerating fastcgi processes, linked with Lighttpd 
configs and generating automagical includes that match the web server 
config  for encap/Pro.

With the avereage memory use fo Rebol < 10Mb you can coompute how 
many users I can concurrently server for complex operations (100-200 
minimum), so every machine I hire can host 500 customers. That means 
that I should earn e0.50 customer to get  a decent margin (roughly).

or some special server part?

the quicktime server was extremly null I thinl it could be good to 
start to seek  for a better technology since to have to research 
one 2 days before the conf  ;)

By the way, some of the content on the DevCon2004 section of the 
rebol.net site apparently didn't make it to the new server. 403s 
abound.

ammon: that's very strange. the server's in the USA btw, so it's 
not that far from you either.

Uniserve is very nice, I have been using it to prototype/test before 
I upload to actual server.  It broke my heart it was gpl.  BSD is 
very good choice.  Free software should not be restricted, and GPL 
has too many of those.    makedoc/spec is the killer app,  and in 
that intensional programming vein is coursing all the best documentation, 
and REBOL  does a fine job of documenting itself because it is so 
semantic by nature.  To understand how to use a moderately complex 
system like a full-featured web server, it is going to be important 
to capture the thinking of those who wrote the code.  REBOL parsing 
allows all information pertaining to the code to be right there with 
the code,  and a function of  DO -ing anything.  the standard documentation 
scheme should follow how REBOL [] headers work, and simply have the 
makedoc embedded within the scripts.

Well, you said "To understand how to use a moderately complex system 
like a full-featured web server, it is going to be important to capture 
the thinking of those who wrote the code.". and then you want to 
force your users not to look at it?

or let the sql server know, what encoding you are using (that it's 
not UTF8)

if you set the encoding on the server side, you don't need to convert 
your strings in Rebol but let the server to do that job

If this don't work, tell me what Postgres server version are you 
using, I'll try to reproduce the error.

i have experienced a sort of problem : i needed a native driver for 
sql server in rebol because odbc wasnt suitable.  Does this exist 
or its not possible ?

I think sql server is only odbc

By the way, ODBC and OLEDB are the native access methods of MS SQL 
Server - they are not an add-on layer. The tcp line protocol is the 
same protocol that the client libraries use. I think there is a few 
open source libraries that support the tcp connections (such as FreeTDS), 
though they may not be very current. You might be able to look at 
their code and docs to figure out the protocol.

It's on the http://cheyenne-server.orgsite at the bottom ;-)

Yes, there's a few  insertions to do on lower-level parts. I'll take 
a few minutes to do it after lunch. Btw, I don't have any pgsql server 
available, nor have time to setup one, so I'll let you test and eventually 
debug the new version. ;-)

Hi .... with recent Rebcode releases, we can see that internally 
new Core is marked as 2.7 and View is marked as 1.4 Is it just working 
"title" or will those products be marked as that? And if so, can 
we know, what other changes will go for 1.4 View release target? 
Will there be any AGG fixes/additions (to support SVG RebGUI progress), 
or even VID changes? I still think, that VID is missing few fine 
styles as tab, group-box, better list as was introduced on IOS Developer's 
server, (eventually tree, menu), to allow novices to start using 
VID/View more productively. Any chance RT can tell us, what is the 
plan for 1.4 release?

Q: What does the world on Nov-15-2005 look like?


A: Our main goal is to get REBOL into the hands of more users, not 
just programmers and techies.... by the millions over time.  By doing 
that, we create a market for not only handy free REBOL apps, but 
also for commercial apps and entire businesses that are related to 
REBOL.



Q: Given that  window transparency is OS specific, will there be 
a dialect that covers both Windows, Linux and 40+ other OS?  In other 
words, does RT plan on continued support of so many languages, or 
are we entering a new era of specific OS support?


A: Our plan is to make that a window option that is part of the face/options 
for a window.  If an OS does not support this mode, then the option 
will be ignored, but the application will still be fully functional.



Q: I hope it is still valid that cooperation with RT is possible. 
I mean - last few weeks I play with some Win32 functions (thanks 
to Gregg) and I would like we would have proper app behavior in multi-monitor/multi-desktop 
environments .... so I wonder if any SIGs will be created, some ppl 
will be invited to participate, comment etc., or if RT is gonna cook 
it all themselves?


A: Yes, there are many such special interest projects currently going 
on. (Most of them are occurring via private projects in AltME and 
IOS.)  These days 90% of REBOL changes are done in cooperation with 
the REBOL community.



Q: Hi .... with recent Rebcode releases, we can see that internally 
new Core is marked as 2.7 and View is marked as 1.4 Is it just working 
"title" or will those products be marked as that? And if so, can 
we know, what other changes will go for 1.4 View release target? 
Will there be any AGG fixes/additions (to support SVG RebGUI progress), 
or even VID changes? I still think, that VID is missing few fine 
styles as tab, group-box, better list as was introduced on IOS Developer's 
server, (eventually tree, menu), to allow novices to start using 
VID/View more productively. Any chance RT can tell us, what is the 
plan for 1.4 release?


A: Regarding 2.7 and 1.4 question: we change the revision numbers 
(the second number) whenever there is a major change in REBOL that 
may be unstable.  The /core 2.7 kernel (that is in /view 1.4 as well) 
adds new datatypes to REBOL, and they are the first datatypes added 
in several years, so we consider this to be a major change, and marked 
it that way.
Yes, we do plan to be making a few AGG fixes very soon.

Oh, and regarding VID: we plan to be making very big changes there. 
More to come soon.


Q: Could you add struct! support to /Core?

I keep on having situations that would be made much easier by struct! 
when I don't need libraries. For instance, conversions from external 
binary data encodings to internal REBOL values, say for file formats, 
network protocols and so on. Now rebcode has added other forms of 
strong typing like the type-specific opcodes and the vectors. Having 
structs with their constrained field types, their specific data layouts, 
would be a perfect match for the low level operations of rebcode. 
They would be helpful later when implementing your own data types 
as well.


A: On structs: yes, we will enable this feature on core, but it should 
only be used for lower level code.  Objects are more powerful.


Q: Could you add an APPLY opcode to rebcode?

    apply: ["Apply function or path to arguments, save result" word! 
    word! | path! block!]

In rebcode:
    apply x f [arg1 arg2 ...]
Is equivalent to this in REBOL:
    x: do f arg1 arg2 ...


The advantage to doing function calls this way is that the arity 
of the opcode is fixed, even if the arity of the function called 
can't be known ahead of time. The value assigned to the function 
word could be either a function or a path, or for efficiency you 
could have a seperate opcode APPLYP for path values (I'd prefer just 
one opcode for generality but it's your call).


A: I'm not sure what is meant by the path for it. You mean for refinements?
That may actually slow down the apply interface.

It's funny, I had to reboot Windows more often while testing rebcode 
than I have ever needed to for an entire year with that computer. 
Server 2003 is very stable, but crashing processes a dozen times 
or more a day can wear on it a little, so I needed to reboot every 
couple days. Normally I would need to reboot only for occasional 
updates of certain third-party software, never more than once a couple 
months.

Jaime - e.g. what I need is quite simple - having app on Windows, 
I need to submit my data to mySQL data in Poland, so it needs to 
be translated to another charset .... (but IIRC it can be done on 
server, so I will hopefully manage it without rebol supporting unicode 
for now )

question: I own a Linksys WAP54G access point which runs on a MIPS 
processor with a small Linux server on it. I tried loading REBOL/Core 
for MIPS onto it, but it couldn't run.


The thing is, there is quite a lot of embedded hardware that runs 
such small linux servers. It would be easy to make control software 
via REBOL, connected to a PC running an encapped REBOL/View application. 
This would allow for rich realtime control software, rather than 
using the normal (slow and non-realtime) built-in webserver. I already 
managed to get realtime readouts on signal strength, by polling the 
access point through telnet and displaying a simple meter in a REBOL/View 
script, something not normally possible. But  you could do much, 
much more, if you could run /Core on it directly. I think there is 
a lot of unused potential here.


Would RT consider such ports of REBOL/Core to various embedded hardware 
products and provide a list of embedded hardware products that can 
run /Core?

Thanks for your offer, but Yeksoon has kindly set up a temporary 
website for us, and will set up a more permanent one after some server 
upgrading.

COM with PHP is soo easy...  drop this into a page on your local 
server.. 

<?

$word=new COM("word.application") or die("Cannot start word for you");
print "Loaded word version ($word->Version)\n";
$word->visible =1;
$word->Documents->Add();
$word->Selection->Typetext("Dit is een test");
$word->Documents[1]->SaveAs("burb ofzo.doc");
$word->Quit();
?>

I shall try again!  I did try this before and got server errors generated.

With Java, the applet is only allowed to communicate with the server 
that served up the applet. We could make that same restriction by 
default in the REBOL plugin with SECURE, and then relax the restrictions 
at runtime with SECURE again. Of course, that will cause the security 
requester to pop up and the user would then know what they should 
know and agree to anyways before such behavior is allowed at all.

wrt own window on top to do the window messages, etc -- I'm all for 
slamming itself on top of the browser, and not going through it to 
embed view.   or make it a "windowed" control, which is how IE does 
SELECT elements.  The complexity there is having it crop to be part 
of the page.  I think wndows media control is like that, where you 
can pick a windowed version, which performs better (probably from 
similar things that you are running into.  MSAgent runs in the browser, 
and is allowed ro roam anywhere on the screen in an irregularly shaped 
winoow.  It also starts a server process which handles all calls 
to the interactions with applications like IE and Office that take 
advantage of that aspect.  It's all asynchronous/multithreaded, and 
shuts down automatically when there are no more client controls to 
serve.


The DOM provides screen position information, but the downside is 
that with embedded controls like Adobe SVG viewer and Flash is that 
they will respond correctly to transparency (showing html page background 
through transparent parts of control  -- never got REBOL plugin to 
do that, which has something to do with wmode="transparent"  or something 
similar

Dunno if my last post last night made it.  as soon as I sent it, 
the world went down and i was unable to reconnect.  I think there 
is a misunderstanding about what a windowed control is, and that 
is throwing people off.  In the post I mentioned how MSAgent works, 
where you have a central server app that communicates with all the 
instances of the control, and I think something like that would be 
perfect for REBOL.  If there was a way to create an instance dynamically 
( using new ActiveXObject, for instance), then for those plugin scripts 
not needing the View UI, that would be a nice option, because that 
would allow using it from a WSF, as well.  On a side note, when trying 
to use the plugin in an HTA it's crash city.

Looks like Volker covered the security issues I'd note.  About Rebol 
as a COM server process--I would think that would be the way to go. 
 Pretty sure that is how Acrobat runs, too.  Basically, the first 
time you run into a PDF on the web Acrobat32 starts, and handles 
all instances.

Security extension, yes, removal of something - hehe, how uneducated 
imo :-) Is smtp so difficult to build? Having tcp socket is dangerous 
already, as I can build my custom smtp in script, and have server 
at the other end of the country, which listens on 8080 and doing 
smtp ....

You can also run a mail-server on the machine where you host the 
reblet, then send works.

Flash does not work? YOu have full networking to your own server, 
what else do you need?

The urls are blocked so you can not reach a "legit" mail-server so 
you can not 'send.

If you host the reblet from your irc-server, its no problem. Else 
the user needs to bless you explicitely, like with noscript.

I emailed Francois. He says:

<<The server is down. I hope it 'll operational within the day. Sorry>>

maybe something like server address, port, what kind of client to 
use (QuickTime, other), etc.?

then the server will be ready