AltME groups: search

If I get some time I might do that.  One thing that confuses me is 
the top portion on the left it has the logon, control panel etc.. 
but at the bottom left it has a place to login.  Seems some of that 
might be redundant and might be better to also consolidate the options 
in one place on the left.

Yes, I was hoping a yound webdesigner (kid) was available to give 
some suggestions.  He is really outstanding at webdesign.  Hoping 
to get some input from him as I seen him transform some website will 
some good insight.

the links on the left are not categorize in a way that the mind can 
understand...


you have the 'sections' like Home, About, Contact Us etc... and later 
you have FAQ, New to Rebol etc 


my opinion is to get the high level categories defined first and 
that will be the main entry point a user will access various content

I prefer having the search boxes there.  I would expect that most 
ppl that visit rebol.org have a good idea of what they are looking 
for and can generally get to it the quickest via a search.

How about we have a no-cache directive to stop ISPs caching the scripts 
for the download page - so we are sure to get the latest one?

Just trimmed about 100 people from the Library membership list....
http://www.rebol.org/cgi-bin/cgiwrap/rebol/cpt-view-users.r


A lot of them were drive-by signups by spammers to get their URL 
a link ("Hi I'm Mandy, click my link for photos") And most of *those* 
must have an IQ hovering aound their waist size because they'd failed 
to click the profile option to make their URL visible to other Library 
members.


So the membership list (claiming 200+ members) is more relevant than 
it was before.


But the automated expiry script may have caught some genuine members. 
If your userid has gone and you want it back, please drop me a private 
message.

And note that if you extract the code from a running rebol, you won't 
get the license.  I got the above from the new SDK.
So, that message needs to be included with your script.

Well, IIRC the desktop code had once been released by Carl in the 
hope to get derived versions. So, publishing it _should_ be OK, I 
guess ;-)

But then, as I didn't used the published source (and don't find it 
at the moment), I'm not sure which license would be right.

Here's an example of another Captcha - get the user to evaluate a 
rebol expression :)

Thanks -- looks like there is a problem with the content-length header 
 (I thought there might be as I remember problems in testing when 
trying to get a value that all browsers were happy with. I think 
I've made IE happy while bemusing Firefox).


I've re-uploaded the script. It now doesn't set a content-length 
header. So, if you try again, it should work. But you may not get 
a download progress bar (because your browser isn't told the length 
in advance)

My apologies for the problem!

I tried doing a search for "probe system" in the mailing list because 
I know it is a topic that has come up a number of times and has been 
discussed.  After spending 30 minutes searching for relevant conversations 
but came up with essentially nothing even though I tried alternate 
search engines such as Google.  I'd like the ability to specifically 
search for code snippets.  I tried different methods of entering 
the search value but in every case I ended up with {Searched for: 
["probe" "system"]}  That's not what I want.  I want "probe system" 
How do I get it?

Sunanda, "probe system" site:www.rebol.org inurl:thread did not return 
what I was hoping for.  By dropping the inurl: then I was able to 
come up with one relevant thread and the rest of the results were 
talking about probing in the system object like system/script/args. 
 I can't seem to get rid of the /whatever after system with Google. 
 I was hoping that the ability use quotes to search for a specific 
phrase instead of breaking it apart and searching for multiple values 
could be added to the rebol.org search engine.

< I can't seem to get rid of the /whatever after system with Google.>

Yes -- Google doesn't understand that system/words (say) is a single 
item. While the REBOL.org seacth does. Ditto, the REBOL.org search 
recognises ! and ? as part of a word raher than discardable syntax 
-- so you can search for object? or datatype!

On the other hand, Google better handles phrases like "probe system" 
because its indexes include proximity information..
No one search is ideal.

Sunanda showed how I can use existing rebol.org technology (packages) 
to store and synchronize the comlib project files. But I am probably 
going to get a domain with Yeksoon.

You can download Grahams' ML archive application (or. at least you 
could until he started having trouble with 1and1's hosting).

Assuming it's still available, you get 70Meg of ML messages and it 
has a search that runs on your ow desktop.

I can search for scripts using {in author "Volker"} and get what 
I'm looking for.  Perhaps adding a {in topic "blah"} capability to 
the ML search engine would be a good idea?

<< Is there a way to search the topic index other than by clicking 
on a letter>>
In theory:

http://www.rebol.org/cgi-bin/cgiwrap/rebol/ml-topic-index.r?i=probe

takes you straight to the entry (if any) for 'probe.  But that looks 
broken right now....I'll look into it.


Other than that, no.  Only about 80% of the threads are indexed in 
the topic index. When we get closer to 100%. we'll enhance the existing 
search to take account of the topic index.....so results will include 
and be prioritised by the topic index. 

Well, you could try, in Google:
probe site:www.rebol.org inurl:topic

But that (as with any search anywhere) is dependent on Google having 
the page indexed.

Back in February (!), Anton wrote:

<<By the way, something that I never really liked is the short rebol 
description at the top of rebol.org.>>

OLD TEXT: <<It's a messaging language. 'rebel' not 'ree-ball'.

 code is data and data is code. CGI? Yes. 40+ platforms. only 250K-500K.

 console or GUI. Yes, just a single file. commercial versions = same 
 core + ODBC, SSL, and more -

 shallow learning curve, amazing depth. keep IT simple. if you liked 
 "The Matrix"...>>

We may be slow, but we get there:   http://www.rebol.org

The banner text has been updated to ready pretty much what Anton 
suggested.

Thanks Anton!

There are techniques to get around this, such as runtime code generation 
(say, with libtcc).

What are you trying to do? Can you get away with downloading the 
dll as a seperate file on first use?

Mike, I'd rather wait until the volunteer who is doing the RSS has 
added the code, rather than bypass their efforts.

Meanwhile, you have several ways of finding out what  scripts are 
new or changed on REBOL.org:
-- we'll sen doyu a tailored email

    http://www.rebol.org/cgi-bin/cgiwrap/rebol/cpt-update-profile.r
    See Section 4, Notices
-- you can peek at your unsent notices to get advanced warning:

     http://www.rebol.org/cgi-bin/cgiwrap/rebol/uns-display-notices.r?ml=yes&my=yes
-- You can use the LDS API:
       do http://www.rebol.org/library/public/lds-local.r

      probe lds/send-server 'list-updated-scripts [5]   ;; what's changed 
      in the last 5 days?
-- Just eyeball the script library home page:
     http://www.rebol.org/cgi-bin/cgiwrap/rebol/script-index.r

I fixed the ez-plot.r q-plot.r condense.r get-stock.r  script combo 
for View 1.3.2  (get-stock.r had broken) and I sync'ed it to Developer/Users/steve-shireman/ez-plot-updates 
  I tried on both IOS Link and View1.3.2, so hope it works on all 
the others.  Feel free to stick it in the Library.

Graham in the All group asked:

<<Is it not true though that you are limited in what you can do with 
rebol.org ? >>
Yes and no.

It's a shared server with the usual sort of quote limits, so that 
stops some of the wilder plans.

On the other hand, the limits are fairly generous. Right now, we 
do these sorts of numbers:
* 150,000 CGI executions per month
* 2.5 gigabytes of data served per month

* 70 megabytes of hard disk used (mainly for the Mailing List archive)


Of course some sort of bandwidth quota would exist with a dedicated 
server too -- that one comes from the ISP, not the box.
---- 

We've had the same problem most of us have had with servers at one 
time or another: REBOL going feral and failing to close tasks. That 
brought down the server once, and got us suspended for about 30 minutes 
until I beseeched forgiveness. Of course, that could happen with 
a dedicated server (no one quite knows why it happens).


Similarly, we get some leak-through from what are supposed to be 
the chinese walls; and that has caused the odd problem: mainly file 
permissions going askew.
---

As Peter said, the main limitation is manpower. There are several 
things under development at rebol.org right now; there is room for 
many other improvement projects too.

Yes, I already get rebol.org updates by mail. 
And if the ml is subscribed, too we would get:
- some traffic on the mailing list
- more people know about rebol.org

- during those quiet times where _nothing at all_ happens on rebol.com/net, 
we show that at least _something_ is happening in rebol world.

there were some others.  I contacted TGD to get one that saves...hope 
they have done more with it...but there were some...gonna search 
my harddrive.  course, what I want to do can just be a one-line replace...just 
wanna get a good tool for hex crafted as I need.  I started on one 
a while back...

well, why not to discuss it here - I found curious Carl's request 
to follow reboltak.com. It is interesting aspect - with various products, 
I am really used to on-line phorums (most of them require registration 
anyway). I am less and less willing to subscribe to some kind of 
MLs. OTOH, the interface is slow. Currently we've got ajax as a cure 
.... to get back where AltME is for few years already ....

no matter what, I find AltME as the quickest channel to get answer 
to specific problem .... we just irationally stopped new members 
to join this world ....

Note : I launch Repack by typing this in the console (by example, 
while trying to get QML-ED) :

do http://www.rebol.org/cgi-bin/cgiwrap/rebol/download-a-script.r?script-name=qm
l-ed.r

The upload obviously worked -- "+" is not an illegal file name character 
on either Edgars machine or REBOL.org's current host

The notes on contributing a packgae do have detailed guidelines on 
file naming to avoind problems -- see 2.1 here:

http://www.rebol.org/cgi-bin/cgiwrap/rebol/boiler.r?display=cons-upload-package-files-help.html

But, of course, the author probably wrote the application before 
they had any idea it might be rolled out as a package for use on 
a wide range of platforms.
***

The bottom line is that + ought to work in a file name for the downloader, 
so I'll get it fixed.

I do get an error with Core where it stops responding after loading 
in a terminal. No prompt or error appears. This doesn't happen with 
View.

But, if filterting would work correct, it should be DROPed anyway. 
So, if I add a DROP rule for an IP address, I shouldn't get any more 
packets.

This is weird... rebol (1.2 and 1.3) can not connect to the internet 
with Fedora Core 4, but i have no problem with Debian 3.1... I think 
i will get rid off Fedora Core and keep Debian!!

so if I say to you that ubuntu is very good then it's vry good 

For example my mom was tired to get lot of problems with her windows 
in installed 2 month ago ubuntu  I use synapse to get some  missing 
packages and now all works well she is very happy with her pc ... 
My mom is 62 years old and dislike coputing but ubuntu have her preference 
...

I need to prepare some installation instructions for our polish partner. 
I will do some scripts to access mySQL on their server, using rebol, 
but I will not have access to the site. So I want to be well prepared, 
so they don't get annoyed after writing them tens of times "try that, 
try this" etc. :-)

i guess user.r is at users home, not sure where that is with their 
cgi-settings. on a new rebol 
 >> get-env "HOME"
== "/home/volker"
works too.

also i can not get View 1.3.? to install it does not make a ./rebol 
dir ?

http://www.debian.org/distrib/packages, at the bottom you can enter 
a filename and usually get its package. most libs have compat-somethings. 
i guess the packages on ubuntu are similar, and that they have a 
similar page. (my link shows in german here, i guess thats some smartness. 
you should see something in your language).

if you have access to the terminal server I can send you info on 
how to configure it so that you get the boot messages

i cant run core042 i get: *** Boot error 951, any ideas of what may 
be wrong ?

the terminal server is used by the hosting company to access multiple 
servers consoles without having physical consoles. When they reboot 
a machine the can get the bios boot messages because there is a console 
cable to the terminal server and they normally access the terminal 
server via ssh

ok I am running into a problem running the last stable version on 
View-I can run as root but not a user ? running from root i have 
changed the permissions but when I do that,then I can not run a root 
? I remember on mandrake 10.1 I was able to run View as a user ? 
Also,what do I need to install to get the View 1.3 ? running on mandriva 
2006 ? Thanks from a Linux newbie

AFAIK knoppix is now debian-compatible, means apt-get works without 
problems.

get-modes %vanila.r [owner-name]

Robert, you may find the right glibc rpm here: http://rpmfind.net/linux/RPM/index.html

Be sure to read about the different ones, so you get the right one.

You should be able to have more than one version of glibc installed 
at the same time (so everything will work). There are programs with 
GUIs in RedHat Linux to install rpms, or you can use the rpm command 
from the command line.

It's been a while, since I used Linux, and it can be a hazzle to 
update sometimes.

And last but not least - Temple - system I liked most, although not 
finished, not documented. It was/is done by Gabriele and allows for 
complete separation of web designer and coder. Don't get me wrong, 
but I think that such system is better than typical templating aproach. 
If you will loose your GFX man, you will still be able to use it. 
OTOH without the intervention of programmer, GFX man can't change 
look with typical templating system ... my GFX guy made it clear 
to me - "I will not learn rebol, nor php, anything" - he is willing 
to understand modules and eventually to configure them ....

Max, we can't tell if we really need it until we get to try it out 
;)

Well, there are plenty of web site building tools .. and sometimes 
a huge learning curve to get what the demos show.

post info tomorrow.  (its already 1h00 AM here, so I've got to log 
off, and work a bit on liquid before I get some shut eye)

Why doesn't my browser (Opera) refresh CSS files if I hit reload? 
I get a refreshed HTML page but the CSS isn't refreshed... any idea 
how to enable refreshing?

keyboards should be velocity sensitive .. like some midi keyboards. 
 hit them harder to get a stronger effect!

You could get bold uppercase type without using the shift key that 
way maybe... but that might not be desirable due to high sensitivity 
needed.

must get mic for speech input

yeah, Logitech doesn't get it either...I have read lots of laptop 
keyboard patents...;-)

the raisin on a one to get rid of the number pad is that it makes 
the keyboard off center

you can get it 10-30 in Singapore dollars as well (US$1 = SGD$1.63; 
approx)

Pekr, you can take a look at IBM Thinkpad's keyboard. They have manage 
to make it balanced with the arrow keys and stuffs.


A lot of the other laptops manufacturers don't get it, even Apple. 
(and I use Macs as well)

if that is as good as speech recognition gets I think I could do 
better in probably about a month of programming -- I have been thinking 
about this problem for more than two decades -- while at apple computer 
by a push to get speech recognition to be part of every Macintosh 
-- but was unsuccessful

now if I could just get it to capitalize rebol I would be happy

I use it when writing reports etc. Just work one day at home and 
a report is finished. What's funny is that I get less remrk on my 
reports/plans when dictated than when written. That's reason enough 
to use it :-)

Maybe there could be some download link, I was able to get it working 
with your help with few emails exchange. Thru other ppl usage you 
could gain more feedback or simply docs, or someone could do some 
other coding ....

Span wil get you a similar effect, though there are differences.
Never heard of idiv -- is it a browser-specific thing?

I manage to get it looks with this..

--
.footer {
	display:inline;
	font:10px verdana, arial, helvetica, sans-serif;
	color: #666;
	background: transparent;
             position:absolute;
             right:0; 
}



<span class="processingtime"><? echo round($current_time, 3) ?></span>

<span class="footer">&copy;&nbsp; NEUSTEPS TECHNOLOGIES PTE LTD, 
2003-2005</span>
--


not too sure if it is logically correct... but it looks the way I 
wants..

get it looks = get it to look the way I want

There's never any such thing as perfect code .. better to get something 
up, and let others build on it .. paraphrasing Isaac Newton

yes, they can get pretty nasty, destroying contents and things like 
that

Just cleaning up the white space after [fit key 255.0.255] seems 
to suffice to get it to run  ( I am saving using TextPad on WinXP 
)

I already posted it to rebcode group as it's rebcode which allowed 
me to this, but will like to post it here as well, because the main 
reason was to improve the Rebol/Flash dialect again....

Maybe you know that in Flash you can have embedded outlined fonts 
(independend on system) Most of the font's looks blury if you use 
them as outlines so you must use special fonts to get non blured 
pixel precision fonts. I was using some font editor just to see, 
that it's pretty difficult to make such a font so I decided it would 
be good to have possibility to make such a font just in any graphic 
editor - as a bitmap and comnvert it to pixels. Here is the result:


do http://box.lebeda.ws/~hmm/rebol/projects/font-tools/latest/test.r

Volker, I've just begun to really get into the dialect so I can't 
comment on how one "translates" the actionscript into it, however, 
the actionscript pdf is at least a start into trying to figure out 
the examples.

At this point, I am taking one of the examples from the flash actionscript 
pdf and rework it into the dialect form. Before I had this documentation 
I was just guessing at the whole process.

I also use import-swf tag to get SWF graphics into my projects (when 
I don't want to load the SWFs using loadMovie)

Oldes, is there something special about the getURL command. I have 
a function in "doAction" and it clearly gets to it as the cmsg is 
displayed, but I can't get it to actually go to another URL. My flash 
settings are good because your "horse" link works. Any ideas? Thanks,

Don't want to spam Oldes site here, but VID3 will never compete with 
this.. ever.

Rebols needs to get their head out of the sand.   Not only can Rebol 
not compete now, the likes of Adobe, Google (as in Gears), Javascript, 
PHP etc etc  are accelerating away faster than the galaxies.

I think Terry should get a sneak peak.  He appears to be, from the 
work he publicly shares with us, one of the most diverse Rebolers 
in the group.  I would think his input would be of value.  That's 
all I will say as well  ;-)

Can't we just all get along and keep Oldes cranking along with his 
examples? : )  You guys are all great.

You can get a Plantronics Bluetooth phone maybe:

http://ozvoip.com/productCategory.php?cat=headset&PHPSESSID=91e007793ea1aca5e6ab754262a96bbe

Of note, I WANT to NOT be on Windows.  I'm getting closer every day. 
 In fact the spell checker in Qtask means I don't use Word so much, 
but we need to add a scaling input box (I like to see more of what 
I'm writing). We are going to get the spell dictionary into AltME 
eventually.

Pekr, "why I am looking into mini-itx stuff". I have been waiting 
for nano-ITX for the last two years ... and in that time Apple have 
released Mac mini and announced Mac mini for x86.


I've done the sums, even with the wholesale prices I can get on most 
of the PC components (Via board, laptop HDD, RAM, Case plus time/cost 
of assembly), and the current Mac mini still comes out cheaper and 
quieter even with all the Mac software pre-bundled.


If Apple can release the new Intel-based Mac mini at the same or 
better prices, with the same or better specs, then why would anyone 
wait for Via to get their act together when they can buy a cost-effective 
off-the-shelf solution today, even if it means ditching OS X for 
Linux or Windows?!

It will get better too, but it is bad from the foundation. I won't 
play the "what tech sucks more game" we will both win, and therefore 
both lose : )

I have 40+ people on my skype (of note, my skype name is vonwolfsheild, 
but announce yourself otherwise I will ignore requests for contact, 
I get about 3 a day from europe.  Apparently I'm quite teh catch 
amoung estonian and russian women, beats me : )   )

Hi, after reading at Henrik comments I want to buy a Mac Mini (but 
have never used a Mac before). What are the cons for using the Mac 
mini ? I find the PC barebones a bit noisy b/c they still have a 
fan so I don't get how the Mini works without any fans ? I OSX has 
a BSD-like API, why is it taking RT so long to get the new core release 
supported ? thank

GCC suite is include and you can get free access to the Xcode developet 
tools very easy to develop in C, C++, Objective-C and Java

A hack to get skype working with any wireless phone http://www.stretta.com/~matthew/resources/skype/

Joe, Mac mini does have a CPU fan, but it's pretty quiet (less than 
22db from memory). Unit does get pretty hot if you start doing a 
number of CPU intensive tasks at the same time, at which point you 
can actually hear the CPU fan. I've not noticed any performance issues 
with the 5400rpm drive, but I don't run any DB intensive stuff on 
it. The units originally shipped with 256MB RAM, which was just not 
enough for serious use, but I've found the 512MB they now ship with 
to be more than adequate. Most apps run well, except OpenOffice which 
runs like an absolute dog (both the X11 version and NeoOffice).

Well Henrik, a basic rule of security is that attacks only get stronger, 
never weaker.
So just wait a while...... :-)

http://www.theregister.co.uk/2006/02/21/microchips_get_smaller/

Hi guys, Test release for Cheyenne is out ! Go get it : http://softinnov.org/cheyenne.shtml

hmm, strange - RSP test app - under Seamonkey, I get mostly uncomplete 
response - even for 4 apps test, three are returned imediatelly, 
one is not loaded, I get busy indicator. Tried in IE, 4 example works, 
16 example - I get RSP error 311 - invalid path value: hits

hopefully there is no problem with using localhost. In Seamonkey, 
using http://localhost, I get three results, then it blocks ... with 
using http://my-ip-addressI get 3 errors (311), then it blocks too 
...

[uniserve] Async Protocol FastCGI loaded
[uniserve] Starting task-master...

## Error in [uniserve] : Cannot open server task-master on port 9799 
!
[uniserve] Starting HTTPd...
## Error in [uniserve] : Cannot open server HTTPd on port 80 !

is all I get...

Will "Mike, I started using Apache and rebol as cgi, this is not 
suited for performances as on every call to the cgi, a new instance 
of rebol is  initialized, run and closed.

I thought about using fastcgi, but never came to a working solution.
Now I use uniserve as main webserver, here some advantages:

-it is fast! On my local machine I get +- 600 req/sec for static 
pages and a max of 160req/sec for dynamic rsp pages

-it is written in rebol, I could easly(less than 10 lines code) add 
a rewrite engine

-child process are persistent, this mean you can keep state of your 
web applications, implement caching, keep a pool of connection to 
databases open (in apache + rebol/cgi you'd have to open and close 
the connection for every request)
-it is written by Dock whom I may be the biggest fan ;-)

btw I'm running an unreleased version (have bought commercial support) 
 that support http 1.1, stuff like If-Modified etc..

If you have more specific questions, I'll be glad to try and answer."

hum... there is one thing I am not sure I get, what do you mean by 
"server-side" (do you imply your's is not, and if so what does that 
really mean?)

For the RSP WebApp test I get:

 The page cannot be displayed 

The page you are looking for is currently unavailable. The Web site 
might be experiencing technical difficulties, or you may need to 
adjust your browser settings.

For Text CGI script I get:


#!/usr/bin/rebol --cgi REBOL [ Title: "show" File: %show.r ] print 
"Content-type: text/html^/" print {Back

} print ["Script path :" system/script/path "

] print 
CGI Object :" print "

 foreach name next first system/options/cgi [ either :name = 'other-headers 
 [ print [
 name 
: 
] foreach [n v] list: system/options/cgi/:name [ print [
 n 
: " mold select list n ""] ] print "
 ][ print [
 name 
: " mold system/options/cgi/:name ""] ] ] print "
 if system/options/cgi/request-method = 

POST" [ vars: make object! decode-cgi make string! input if not empty? 
next first vars [ print " Variables passed :

 foreach name next first vars [ print [
 name 
: " mold vars/:name ""] ] print "
 ] ] print 

For Text RSP script I get:

Back

Timestamp: 


Request parameters :
HTTP Method: 
HTTP Port: 
Client IP address: 
Request headers :
Request variables :
Session :
SID: 
No session

For the tests, I get the same results whither Cheyenne is running 
or not.

Btw you shouldn't get any result if Cheyenne is not running !

IIRC via set-modes/get-modes, you can know what adapter is involved. 
I am afraid there is no other way how to prevent this. Opening a 
socket is OS thing imo, and I wonder if C socket functions allow 
you to choose your device?

Terry: REBOL already supports SSL, it just a matter of knowing which 
flag to set to switch to server-side SSL. Btw, if anyone can get 
the info from Carl, that would be great ! (Pekr, you're kind of good 
at extracting info from ppl ;-))

I had a go .. but couldn't get it to work.

What I would like to know, is if I can use it to get https urls from 
Rebol, not just to encrypt my server?

which is what I tried last year and could not get working.