World: r4wp

I am doing this:

ShowWindow GetConsoleWindow 0


although it is not very "elegant" since the console window still 
flashes.

Good to know. It shouldn't be needed, though, for -t Windows. Perhaps 
Doc can shed some light on it

I have also tried "FreeConsole" and it opens 2 windows in the same 
way as "-t Windows"

Marco, can you try it with a simple Red/System program that just 
contains a call to Sleep(1000) (needs to be imported from C lib)? 
So we can see if it's related to Red/System or to your program.

Kaj, not to interupt your interesting conversation with the other 
"doc" but I was wondering if you could briefly summarize what one 
can do with all the bindings you have created. I specifically am 
interested in what that all means to android.

For Android, nothing yet, until Doc gets the Android port to work 
:-)

To get a feel for what Red can currently do, it's best to run my 
GTK-browser example, here in the Red/ folder for your platform:

http://red.esperconsultancy.nl/Red-test/dir?ci=tip

It combines most of my bindings to create an alternative for a web 
browser. It's a graphical program that loads pages and apps written 
in Red from our web server and executes them

Bindings not in there are SDL and OpenGL, for graphical 2D and 3D 
programs, ZeroMQ for network messaging, and some specific extra widgets 
for the GTK+ binding, such as a (real) web browser, two map browsers 
and a PDF and other document viewer

Oh, and SQLite databases. I am loosing count :-)

Except for the GTK widgets, most of those bindings and functionalities 
will also work on Android

When I have the GTK-browser file on my system, how to run it?

Just click it. But if you're trying that on a Mac, you have to install 
the dependency libraries first

Also, hardly anybody has bothered to test on a Mac so far, so you'd 
have the honour of testing if my bindings work there :-)

It seems to be easiest to get large dependencies such as GTK+ on 
Mac through Homebrew:

http://mxcl.github.io/homebrew/

So from that page, I get to https://github.com/mxcl/homebrew/tree/master/Library/Formula

a long list of stuff. Down there, I see gtk+.rb, click it, and I 
get to a page, which seems to be some description (or recipe, as 
you mentioned). Then what?

You have to install the Homebrew package manager. The Ruby files 
are just build recipes, vaguely similar to my Syllable build system

hm, that's not going to be tonight. :)

It's just one command line, at the bottom of their front page

ok, trying that...

-e:67: warning: Insecure world writable dir ...

got a couple of those. Any problem?

Funny, my build system also says that on Syllable. :-) Ruby gives 
that warning; it's not a problem

The following directories will be made group writable:
...
The following directories will have their group set to admin:
...

Hm, that's a bit disturbing, that it changes my system, isn't it?

You want to change it by installing software, don't you?

:)

Well, can't it just use one dir somewhere, like in Applications as 
all the other software do?

Nope, they're ports from Unix, which is quite inflexible about its 
software conventions

ok

OS X wants to be a Unix, so there you go

Downloading and Installing Homebrew...

And then it's counting objects... 113450, done

Git is doing that, I think

I have a hard time figuring out, what Red is. Is there a simple overview 
somewhere?

The apps you see in your Applications use all sorts of Unix infrastructure 
underneath, such as the cURL library, Ruby language and Git tool 
you just found

Think of Red as REBOL that can be compiled. The main docs are for 
Red/System at this point. 

http://static.red-lang.org/red-system-specs.html#section-19.2

Red programs are like the Mac Applications: they don't have to be 
installed and don't care where they run

However, my bindings, like Mac Applications, use infrastructure that 
is included in the ancient Unix parts of the system. So a clash appears, 
when that infrastructure is not installed yet

Seems like I got brew installed, and it sais:

You should run `brew doctor' *before* you install anything.

Interesting

Doing that gives me 7 warnings.

Anything serious?

Warning: Some directories in /usr/local/share/man aren't writable.
Warning: You have leftover files from an older version of Xcode.
Warning: Unbrewed dylibs were found in /usr/local/lib.
Warning: Unbrewed .la files were found in /usr/local/lib.

Warning: Unbrewed .pc files were found in /usr/local/lib/pkgconfig.
Warning: Unbrewed static libraries were found in /usr/local/lib.
Warning: Your Xcode (4.5.1) is outdated
:)

I have no idea, if it's serious.

at the bottom: Please install Xcode 4.6.2.

Doesn't sound serious, except Xcode

hm, well, maybe that's as fra I get now.

*far*

So Red/System is like a base for Red?

Like C is the base for World, yes

ok